Boy are you right BOB...........great comment. I wish more people would carry your comment in their pocket, and continually read it. Peace and Friends and helping others is a fantastic feeling not only in your brain, but in your gut,..... and your body, much of the time, feels like you are walking on air. In todays world, I would just like to see the bad, and non-careing decrease. Love It............Randy From: "robert cole" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy >I am a Community Grandfather in a Native American community at Indian Plaza > Charlamont MA. And Grandfather says this; Let us not forget, we are all > born > equal, If we cut our wrist in brotherhood, we both bleed red, > distinguished > only by Type and DNA.There is good and bad in everything. With out the > bad, > we wouldn't know our degree of good, and vise-versa. Example: If we enter > a > lighted room we can't bring in darkness without taking out the light > source. > In life everything is in two's, light/dark, good/bad, love/hate, > black/white, up/down, can/can't, will/won't. (when I was a boy, my > Grandfather told me to turn out the lamp and jump in bed before the room > got > dark. My siblings and I tried many times. > I was taught as a young boy a warier was a Pease maker first, then a > warier. > The Europeans, (Whites as you call them.)called this great land, new > land. > It was old land, just like there land in Europe. > Walk your vision. > > Grandfather; Eagle,White Buffalo's (Spirit song from the mountain) > AKA; Bob, > Troy, NY. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > > >> There is no disagreement, what-so-ever that the white men dressed as >> Indians >> and dumpded the Tea overboard in Boston..............but that was a one >> time >> deal. When after, did the white man dress up as Indians to do other >> deads, >> that would accuse the Indians of destruction ?. Some of the tribes stood >> very helpfully behind the white men....don't think that they were all >> killers and wanted to get rid of us. The ones that fought us all the time >> were the ones that owned the land and property that the whites were >> killing >> them to take over everything. Wouldn't that be what we would do if the >> Iranians' came over here to take over America ?????? Dig very deep my >> friends....... Randy >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "elainedecker" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy >> >> >>> They weren't Indians. They were associated with the men that dressed up >>> as >>> Indians (blame it on the Indians!) and dumped the tea. >>> Regalia is sacred. It is only worn by Indians who have earned the right >>> and >>> every piece is worn in a distinct way. No one in Indian world is called >>> Sachem unless they earned that right and it takes more than joining a >>> club. >>> This organization is fantastic as to what they do for mankind but as far >>> as >>> wearing regalia and calling themselves Sachems, etc., well..... >>> I am sure some Indians belong. Assimilation. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:11 PM >>> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy >>> >>> >>>> Hi Robert; Thanks for the website listed below. There are a couple of >>>> things >>>> I don't understand, and looking through I'm a bit confused. The Initial >>>> Memorial Association was erected at Plymouth, Ma......I don't >>>> understand >>>> how >>>> Texas is the Big Site .........what went on on the East Coast >>>> considered >>>> all >>>> of New England, down to N.Y. I think Pennsylvania, at one time was >>>> part >>>> of >>>> Massachusetts as well as Connecticut........have to check my records >>>> again. >>>> >>>> Secondly, I sincerely believe that the Order of Red Men were Indians >>>> who >>>> were peacefull and wanted to help the White Man.....or, at that time, >>>> early >>>> white settlers. In the future years the Indians through intermarriage, >>>> whatever, looked as white as we, relatives of the first early settlers, >>>> are. >>>> There is no disagreement that white men were inducted into the >>>> association >>>> as Alvin G. Weeks was. One of my GGG + Grandfathers was a farmer on one >>>> of >>>> the Elizabeth Islands, here in Buzzards Bay. Indians also lived on the >>>> Islands, and that Grandfather preached and taught them many things. I'm >>>> sure >>>> he became a sachem to them. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your response...........Randy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Robert Ward" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:43 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy >>>> >>>> >>>>> Not meaning to take away from the value of the book which sounds from >>>>> the >>>>> table of contents very informative, the Improved Order of Red Men is a >>>>> men's >>>>> fraternal organization chartered by Congress during the 19th century >>>>> which >>>>> traces its origin to about 1765 when it was founded patterning itself >>>>> after >>>>> the Iroquois Confederacy. It is composed mainly of white men. It has a >>>>> website which I found at www.redmen.org. >>>>> >>>>> Robert Ward >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Randy Weeks writes: >>>>> >>>>>> The name of the book is " MASSASOIT" written by Alvin G. Weeks that >>>>>> was >>>>>> privately printed in 1920. The color of the book is a redish brown or >>>>>> rust >>>>>> colored and measures 5 1/4" wide X 7 5/8" high and 3/4" in thickness. >>>>>> Total >>>>>> pages ...270. The first information states; This volume is presented >>>>>> to >>>>>> .............................. by THE MASSASOIT MEMORIAL ASSOCIATION >>>>>> in >>>>>> token of its appreciation of a contribution to the fund for the >>>>>> erection >>>>>> at >>>>>> Plymouth, Massachusetts, of a memorial to Massasoit. Boston, Mass., >>>>>> 1919 >>>>>> and signed by Alvin G. Weeks ..president and Alexander >>>>>> Gilmore....clerk. >>>>>> The >>>>>> book was printed by...The Plimpton Press.....Norwood, Mass., U.S.A. >>>>>> The introductory of Massasoit is 17 pages. Chapter II ...Indian >>>>>> Character >>>>>> pages 18-44. Chapter III....The Algonquins..page 45-67. Chapter >>>>>> IV....The >>>>>> Wampanoags...pgs. 68-90. Chapter V....Massasoit..pgs. 91-128. >>>>>> Chapter >>>>>> VI...Massasoit's Family..pgs 129-145. Chapter VII..Samoset, Squanto >>>>>> and >>>>>> Hobamock...pgs. 146-159. Chapter VIII..The Narragansetts...pgs. >>>>>> 160-177. >>>>>> Chapter IX..Miantonomo...pgs. 178-193. Chapter X..The Pequots, >>>>>> Mohicans, >>>>>> and >>>>>> other Western Tribes...pgs. 194-233. Chapter XI.. King Philip and his >>>>>> Captains...pgs. 234-270. >>>>>> >>>>>> Although Alvin was not an Indian, to my knowledge, hewas reffered to >>>>>> as >>>>>> "Past great sachem of the improved order of Red Men of Massachusetts >>>>>> and >>>>>> President of the Massasoit Memorial Association. >>>>>> >>>>>> The book is interesting and does include a few stories of Roger >>>>>> Williams. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope you can locate one. Let me know if you find one. The one I >>>>>> have >>>>>> has >>>>>> been in my family since it was printed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good Luck............Randy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:43 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for posting this, Randy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can you give us the name of the book? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe it could be found in a library or >>>>>>> archive somewhere. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lisa >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:50 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> |I have a Privately Printed book published in 1920 and written by >>>>>>> Alvin >>>>>>> G. >>>>>>> | Weeks of Fall River, Ma. who was "Past Great Sachem of The >>>>>>> Improved >>>>>>> Order >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> | Red Men of Massachusetts and President of The Massasoit Memorial >>>>>>> | Association". >>>>>>> | I will add a few notations from the book that may interest you, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> cant >>>>>>> | do all of the 270 pages. The begining starts; >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | To The MEMORY OF MASSASOIT Great Sachem of the Wampanoag Indians, >>>>>>> | 1620-1661, who, by his friendly disposition towards the whites, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> | faithful observance of his treaty obligations to them, has earned >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> | undying gratitude of humanity, this work is respectfuly dedicated. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Henry VIII of England, in consequence of a quarrel with the Pope >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> | Cardinals concerning the dissolution of his marriage to Catherine >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> Aragon, >>>>>>> | had established the Church of England as an independandt >>>>>>> acclesiastical >>>>>>> | body; and still later John Calvin, a Frenchman, born in the year >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> Henry >>>>>>> | ascended the throne of England, promulgated the Geneva Creed. All >>>>>>> these >>>>>>> | things had set the leaven of religious liberty into a ferment >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> nearly >>>>>>> | blew the lid off the mixing pan; and creeds without number sprang >>>>>>> | up................ >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | it was this that drove Roger Williams from Salem to seek refuge >>>>>>> first >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> | Massasoit at Sowams, and later with the Narragansetts at the place >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> | devoutly named Providence; that sent Gorton from Plymouth to the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> | Narragansett country; and John Easton and a multitude of other >>>>>>> Quakers >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> | the Massachusetts Bay colony to Rhode Island and other places. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Names mentioned......Canonicus of the Narragansetts; sachem >>>>>>> Miantonomo; >>>>>>> Miss >>>>>>> | Elizabeth B. Champlin, a direct descendant of the old Ninigret >>>>>>> tibe >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> | Indians which was so prominent in Souther, Rhode Island; >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | King Philip's war......The great blow to the permanent success of >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> | was struck by the unfortunate and general war which broke out >>>>>>> under >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> | indomitable sachem called Metacom, better known as King Philip. He >>>>>>> drew >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> | but the Christian converts and the Mohigans into this scheme. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Back in the early 16oo's Sir Ferdinando Gorges, who was at that >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> | commander of the Port of Plymout, England sent, or came to the New >>>>>>> England >>>>>>> | coast on trading expositions. At one time, on Martha's Vinyard >>>>>>> several >>>>>>> | Indians were captured and taken back to England. Capawack, >>>>>>> Coneconam, >>>>>>> Epenow >>>>>>> | and Sakaweston >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Samoset came from Monhegan which was one of the Elizabeth Islands. >>>>>>> He >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> | given English beer which the Indians reffered to as "Stron Water' >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> | "Fire Water". >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | At Kingston, R.I. during the swamp fight, the whites set fire to >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> | habitable hut or tepee and burned hundreds of women and children. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | When the Indians approached Providence in 1676, Roger Williams >>>>>>> went >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> | alone to meet them to try to disuade them from their purpose of >>>>>>> attacking >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> | town.He was 77 years of age. "Massachusetts', said he, can raise >>>>>>> thousands >>>>>>> | of men at this moment, and if you kill them the king of England >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> supply >>>>>>> | their places as fast as they fall." "Let them come" replied the >>>>>>> savages, >>>>>>> "we >>>>>>> | are ready". But as for you, Brother Williams, you are a good man. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Massasoit was born 1580-------and Died 1661. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Approximately September 13, 1655 Nine Chiefs went to Plymouth to >>>>>>> arrange >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> | modus vivendi >>>>>>> | OHQUAMEHUD ..........Wampanooag >>>>>>> | OBBITINUA ..........Obbatinewat, sachem of the Massachusetts and >>>>>>> subject >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> | Massasoit >>>>>>> | NATTAWAHUNT ....probably Natawanute or Attawanhut of Connecticut >>>>>>> | CAUNBITANT....Sachem of Pocaset >>>>>>> | CHICATAUBUT ...of the Massachusetts >>>>>>> | QUADENQUINA ...Massasoit's younger brother >>>>>>> | HUTTAMOIDEN.....?? >>>>>>> | APPANOW........aSPINETOF >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | WANTED TO GIVE YOU MOR E BUT [SLEEPPY iLL JUST THROEWN IN >>>>>>> SOME >>>>>>> | NAME,wILLETTS; wAMSUTTA;nARRAGABSETTS;SENGLISS"wAMSYYYA AA >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | s][SORRY, GETTIMG TIRED....HOPE i WIONDER IF THIS BOOK IS LOCTED >>>>>>> IN >>>>>>> | RHODE ISLAND >>>>>>> | Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:33 PMEOPLE WILL FIINF IT TO >>>>>>> READ. >>>>>>> | Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | >I think some of the Ponkapoag become *Praying Indians* >>>>>>> | > along with some of the Native people from Natick, MA. >>>>>>> | > >>>>>>> | > Search for John Eliot, Praying Indians, Deer Island, i >>>>>>> | > found a lot of information on this a couple of years ago. >>>>>>> | > cHOW.....- >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | rRANSDY WEEKS >>>>>>> | > Also, Ponkapoag Tribe has a website >>>>>>> | > http://www.canton.org/native/index.htm >>>>>>> | > with historical information - looks good. >>>>>>> | > >>>>>>> | > Lisa >>>>>>> | > [email protected] >>>>>>> | > >>>>>>> | > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> | > From: "Donald Taylor" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> | > To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> | > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:10 AM >>>>>>> | > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>>>>> | > >>>>>>> | > >>>>>>> | > | Lisa, >>>>>>> | > | Do you have this book or did you access it online? I am >>>>>>> wondering >>>>>>> | > about if there is any mention of the Ponkapaugs of >>>>>>> | > Dorchester/Milton/Canton, >>>>>>> | > Mass. >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | Don T. >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> | > | Google search shows Native American, >>>>>>> | > | Niantic Tribe. >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | Phillip Occuish, b. 1716, converted to Christianity >>>>>>> | > | in 1740, became a Baptist minister, some of his descendants >>>>>>> | > | moved to Brothertown, NY >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | Maybe you found his wife's grave among others- >>>>>>> | > | Sarah - died 1787 >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | found in >>>>>>> | > | Samson Occum and the >>>>>>> | > | Christian Indians of New England >>>>>>> | > | W. DeLoss Love, PhD >>>>>>> | > | 1899 >>>>>>> | > | Pilgrim Press >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | Lisa >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >