Hi Robert; Thanks for the website listed below. There are a couple of things I don't understand, and looking through I'm a bit confused. The Initial Memorial Association was erected at Plymouth, Ma......I don't understand how Texas is the Big Site .........what went on on the East Coast considered all of New England, down to N.Y. I think Pennsylvania, at one time was part of Massachusetts as well as Connecticut........have to check my records again. Secondly, I sincerely believe that the Order of Red Men were Indians who were peacefull and wanted to help the White Man.....or, at that time, early white settlers. In the future years the Indians through intermarriage, whatever, looked as white as we, relatives of the first early settlers, are. There is no disagreement that white men were inducted into the association as Alvin G. Weeks was. One of my GGG + Grandfathers was a farmer on one of the Elizabeth Islands, here in Buzzards Bay. Indians also lived on the Islands, and that Grandfather preached and taught them many things. I'm sure he became a sachem to them. Thanks for your response...........Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Ward" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > Not meaning to take away from the value of the book which sounds from the > table of contents very informative, the Improved Order of Red Men is a > men's > fraternal organization chartered by Congress during the 19th century which > traces its origin to about 1765 when it was founded patterning itself > after > the Iroquois Confederacy. It is composed mainly of white men. It has a > website which I found at www.redmen.org. > > Robert Ward > > > Randy Weeks writes: > >> The name of the book is " MASSASOIT" written by Alvin G. Weeks that was >> privately printed in 1920. The color of the book is a redish brown or >> rust >> colored and measures 5 1/4" wide X 7 5/8" high and 3/4" in thickness. >> Total >> pages ...270. The first information states; This volume is presented to >> .............................. by THE MASSASOIT MEMORIAL ASSOCIATION in >> token of its appreciation of a contribution to the fund for the erection >> at >> Plymouth, Massachusetts, of a memorial to Massasoit. Boston, Mass., >> 1919 >> and signed by Alvin G. Weeks ..president and Alexander Gilmore....clerk. >> The >> book was printed by...The Plimpton Press.....Norwood, Mass., U.S.A. >> The introductory of Massasoit is 17 pages. Chapter II ...Indian Character >> pages 18-44. Chapter III....The Algonquins..page 45-67. Chapter IV....The >> Wampanoags...pgs. 68-90. Chapter V....Massasoit..pgs. 91-128. Chapter >> VI...Massasoit's Family..pgs 129-145. Chapter VII..Samoset, Squanto and >> Hobamock...pgs. 146-159. Chapter VIII..The Narragansetts...pgs. 160-177. >> Chapter IX..Miantonomo...pgs. 178-193. Chapter X..The Pequots, Mohicans, >> and >> other Western Tribes...pgs. 194-233. Chapter XI.. King Philip and his >> Captains...pgs. 234-270. >> >> Although Alvin was not an Indian, to my knowledge, hewas reffered to as >> "Past great sachem of the improved order of Red Men of Massachusetts and >> President of the Massasoit Memorial Association. >> >> The book is interesting and does include a few stories of Roger Williams. >> >> I hope you can locate one. Let me know if you find one. The one I have >> has >> been in my family since it was printed. >> >> Good Luck............Randy >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >> >> >>> Thanks for posting this, Randy. >>> >>> Can you give us the name of the book? >>> >>> Maybe it could be found in a library or >>> archive somewhere. >>> >>> Lisa >>> [email protected] >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:50 AM >>> Subject: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>> >>> >>> |I have a Privately Printed book published in 1920 and written by Alvin >>> G. >>> | Weeks of Fall River, Ma. who was "Past Great Sachem of The Improved >>> Order >>> of >>> | Red Men of Massachusetts and President of The Massasoit Memorial >>> | Association". >>> | I will add a few notations from the book that may interest you, but I >>> cant >>> | do all of the 270 pages. The begining starts; >>> | >>> | To The MEMORY OF MASSASOIT Great Sachem of the Wampanoag Indians, >>> | 1620-1661, who, by his friendly disposition towards the whites, and >>> his >>> | faithful observance of his treaty obligations to them, has earned the >>> | undying gratitude of humanity, this work is respectfuly dedicated. >>> | >>> | Henry VIII of England, in consequence of a quarrel with the Pope and >>> | Cardinals concerning the dissolution of his marriage to Catherine of >>> Aragon, >>> | had established the Church of England as an independandt >>> acclesiastical >>> | body; and still later John Calvin, a Frenchman, born in the year that >>> Henry >>> | ascended the throne of England, promulgated the Geneva Creed. All >>> these >>> | things had set the leaven of religious liberty into a ferment which >>> nearly >>> | blew the lid off the mixing pan; and creeds without number sprang >>> | up................ >>> | >>> | it was this that drove Roger Williams from Salem to seek refuge first >>> with >>> | Massasoit at Sowams, and later with the Narragansetts at the place >>> which >>> | devoutly named Providence; that sent Gorton from Plymouth to the same >>> | Narragansett country; and John Easton and a multitude of other Quakers >>> from >>> | the Massachusetts Bay colony to Rhode Island and other places. >>> | >>> | Names mentioned......Canonicus of the Narragansetts; sachem >>> Miantonomo; >>> Miss >>> | Elizabeth B. Champlin, a direct descendant of the old Ninigret tibe of >>> | Indians which was so prominent in Souther, Rhode Island; >>> | >>> | King Philip's war......The great blow to the permanent success of this >>> work >>> | was struck by the unfortunate and general war which broke out under >>> the >>> | indomitable sachem called Metacom, better known as King Philip. He >>> drew >>> all >>> | but the Christian converts and the Mohigans into this scheme. >>> | >>> | Back in the early 16oo's Sir Ferdinando Gorges, who was at that time >>> the >>> | commander of the Port of Plymout, England sent, or came to the New >>> England >>> | coast on trading expositions. At one time, on Martha's Vinyard several >>> | Indians were captured and taken back to England. Capawack, Coneconam, >>> Epenow >>> | and Sakaweston >>> | >>> | Samoset came from Monhegan which was one of the Elizabeth Islands. He >>> was >>> | given English beer which the Indians reffered to as "Stron Water' and >>> also >>> | "Fire Water". >>> | >>> | At Kingston, R.I. during the swamp fight, the whites set fire to every >>> | habitable hut or tepee and burned hundreds of women and children. >>> | >>> | When the Indians approached Providence in 1676, Roger Williams went >>> out >>> | alone to meet them to try to disuade them from their purpose of >>> attacking >>> a >>> | town.He was 77 years of age. "Massachusetts', said he, can raise >>> thousands >>> | of men at this moment, and if you kill them the king of England will >>> supply >>> | their places as fast as they fall." "Let them come" replied the >>> savages, >>> "we >>> | are ready". But as for you, Brother Williams, you are a good man. >>> | >>> | Massasoit was born 1580-------and Died 1661. >>> | >>> | Approximately September 13, 1655 Nine Chiefs went to Plymouth to >>> arrange >>> a >>> | modus vivendi >>> | OHQUAMEHUD ..........Wampanooag >>> | OBBITINUA ..........Obbatinewat, sachem of the Massachusetts and >>> subject >>> to >>> | Massasoit >>> | NATTAWAHUNT ....probably Natawanute or Attawanhut of Connecticut >>> | CAUNBITANT....Sachem of Pocaset >>> | CHICATAUBUT ...of the Massachusetts >>> | QUADENQUINA ...Massasoit's younger brother >>> | HUTTAMOIDEN.....?? >>> | APPANOW........aSPINETOF >>> | >>> | WANTED TO GIVE YOU MOR E BUT [SLEEPPY iLL JUST THROEWN IN SOME >>> | NAME,wILLETTS; wAMSUTTA;nARRAGABSETTS;SENGLISS"wAMSYYYA AA >>> | >>> | s][SORRY, GETTIMG TIRED....HOPE i WIONDER IF THIS BOOK IS LOCTED IN >>> | RHODE ISLAND >>> | Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:33 PMEOPLE WILL FIINF IT TO READ. >>> | Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>> | >>> | >>> | >I think some of the Ponkapoag become *Praying Indians* >>> | > along with some of the Native people from Natick, MA. >>> | > >>> | > Search for John Eliot, Praying Indians, Deer Island, i >>> | > found a lot of information on this a couple of years ago. >>> | > cHOW.....- >>> | >>> | rRANSDY WEEKS >>> | > Also, Ponkapoag Tribe has a website >>> | > http://www.canton.org/native/index.htm >>> | > with historical information - looks good. >>> | > >>> | > Lisa >>> | > [email protected] >>> | > >>> | > ----- Original Message ----- >>> | > From: "Donald Taylor" <[email protected]> >>> | > To: <[email protected]> >>> | > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:10 AM >>> | > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>> | > >>> | > >>> | > | Lisa, >>> | > | Do you have this book or did you access it online? I am >>> wondering >>> | > about if there is any mention of the Ponkapaugs of >>> | > Dorchester/Milton/Canton, >>> | > Mass. >>> | > | >>> | > | Don T. >>> | > | >>> | > | Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: >>> | > | Google search shows Native American, >>> | > | Niantic Tribe. >>> | > | >>> | > | Phillip Occuish, b. 1716, converted to Christianity >>> | > | in 1740, became a Baptist minister, some of his descendants >>> | > | moved to Brothertown, NY >>> | > | >>> | > | Maybe you found his wife's grave among others- >>> | > | Sarah - died 1787 >>> | > | >>> | > | found in >>> | > | Samson Occum and the >>> | > | Christian Indians of New England >>> | > | W. DeLoss Love, PhD >>> | > | 1899 >>> | > | Pilgrim Press >>> | > | >>> | > | Lisa >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

They weren't Indians. They were associated with the men that dressed up as Indians (blame it on the Indians!) and dumped the tea. Regalia is sacred. It is only worn by Indians who have earned the right and every piece is worn in a distinct way. No one in Indian world is called Sachem unless they earned that right and it takes more than joining a club. This organization is fantastic as to what they do for mankind but as far as wearing regalia and calling themselves Sachems, etc., well..... I am sure some Indians belong. Assimilation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > Hi Robert; Thanks for the website listed below. There are a couple of > things > I don't understand, and looking through I'm a bit confused. The Initial > Memorial Association was erected at Plymouth, Ma......I don't understand > how > Texas is the Big Site .........what went on on the East Coast considered > all > of New England, down to N.Y. I think Pennsylvania, at one time was part > of > Massachusetts as well as Connecticut........have to check my records > again. > > Secondly, I sincerely believe that the Order of Red Men were Indians who > were peacefull and wanted to help the White Man.....or, at that time, > early > white settlers. In the future years the Indians through intermarriage, > whatever, looked as white as we, relatives of the first early settlers, > are. > There is no disagreement that white men were inducted into the association > as Alvin G. Weeks was. One of my GGG + Grandfathers was a farmer on one of > the Elizabeth Islands, here in Buzzards Bay. Indians also lived on the > Islands, and that Grandfather preached and taught them many things. I'm > sure > he became a sachem to them. > > Thanks for your response...........Randy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Ward" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > > >> Not meaning to take away from the value of the book which sounds from the >> table of contents very informative, the Improved Order of Red Men is a >> men's >> fraternal organization chartered by Congress during the 19th century >> which >> traces its origin to about 1765 when it was founded patterning itself >> after >> the Iroquois Confederacy. It is composed mainly of white men. It has a >> website which I found at www.redmen.org. >> >> Robert Ward >> >> >> Randy Weeks writes: >> >>> The name of the book is " MASSASOIT" written by Alvin G. Weeks that was >>> privately printed in 1920. The color of the book is a redish brown or >>> rust >>> colored and measures 5 1/4" wide X 7 5/8" high and 3/4" in thickness. >>> Total >>> pages ...270. The first information states; This volume is presented to >>> .............................. by THE MASSASOIT MEMORIAL ASSOCIATION in >>> token of its appreciation of a contribution to the fund for the erection >>> at >>> Plymouth, Massachusetts, of a memorial to Massasoit. Boston, Mass., >>> 1919 >>> and signed by Alvin G. Weeks ..president and Alexander Gilmore....clerk. >>> The >>> book was printed by...The Plimpton Press.....Norwood, Mass., U.S.A. >>> The introductory of Massasoit is 17 pages. Chapter II ...Indian >>> Character >>> pages 18-44. Chapter III....The Algonquins..page 45-67. Chapter >>> IV....The >>> Wampanoags...pgs. 68-90. Chapter V....Massasoit..pgs. 91-128. Chapter >>> VI...Massasoit's Family..pgs 129-145. Chapter VII..Samoset, Squanto and >>> Hobamock...pgs. 146-159. Chapter VIII..The Narragansetts...pgs. 160-177. >>> Chapter IX..Miantonomo...pgs. 178-193. Chapter X..The Pequots, Mohicans, >>> and >>> other Western Tribes...pgs. 194-233. Chapter XI.. King Philip and his >>> Captains...pgs. 234-270. >>> >>> Although Alvin was not an Indian, to my knowledge, hewas reffered to as >>> "Past great sachem of the improved order of Red Men of Massachusetts and >>> President of the Massasoit Memorial Association. >>> >>> The book is interesting and does include a few stories of Roger >>> Williams. >>> >>> I hope you can locate one. Let me know if you find one. The one I have >>> has >>> been in my family since it was printed. >>> >>> Good Luck............Randy >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for posting this, Randy. >>>> >>>> Can you give us the name of the book? >>>> >>>> Maybe it could be found in a library or >>>> archive somewhere. >>>> >>>> Lisa >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:50 AM >>>> Subject: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>>> >>>> >>>> |I have a Privately Printed book published in 1920 and written by Alvin >>>> G. >>>> | Weeks of Fall River, Ma. who was "Past Great Sachem of The Improved >>>> Order >>>> of >>>> | Red Men of Massachusetts and President of The Massasoit Memorial >>>> | Association". >>>> | I will add a few notations from the book that may interest you, but I >>>> cant >>>> | do all of the 270 pages. The begining starts; >>>> | >>>> | To The MEMORY OF MASSASOIT Great Sachem of the Wampanoag Indians, >>>> | 1620-1661, who, by his friendly disposition towards the whites, and >>>> his >>>> | faithful observance of his treaty obligations to them, has earned the >>>> | undying gratitude of humanity, this work is respectfuly dedicated. >>>> | >>>> | Henry VIII of England, in consequence of a quarrel with the Pope and >>>> | Cardinals concerning the dissolution of his marriage to Catherine of >>>> Aragon, >>>> | had established the Church of England as an independandt >>>> acclesiastical >>>> | body; and still later John Calvin, a Frenchman, born in the year that >>>> Henry >>>> | ascended the throne of England, promulgated the Geneva Creed. All >>>> these >>>> | things had set the leaven of religious liberty into a ferment which >>>> nearly >>>> | blew the lid off the mixing pan; and creeds without number sprang >>>> | up................ >>>> | >>>> | it was this that drove Roger Williams from Salem to seek refuge first >>>> with >>>> | Massasoit at Sowams, and later with the Narragansetts at the place >>>> which >>>> | devoutly named Providence; that sent Gorton from Plymouth to the same >>>> | Narragansett country; and John Easton and a multitude of other >>>> Quakers >>>> from >>>> | the Massachusetts Bay colony to Rhode Island and other places. >>>> | >>>> | Names mentioned......Canonicus of the Narragansetts; sachem >>>> Miantonomo; >>>> Miss >>>> | Elizabeth B. Champlin, a direct descendant of the old Ninigret tibe >>>> of >>>> | Indians which was so prominent in Souther, Rhode Island; >>>> | >>>> | King Philip's war......The great blow to the permanent success of >>>> this >>>> work >>>> | was struck by the unfortunate and general war which broke out under >>>> the >>>> | indomitable sachem called Metacom, better known as King Philip. He >>>> drew >>>> all >>>> | but the Christian converts and the Mohigans into this scheme. >>>> | >>>> | Back in the early 16oo's Sir Ferdinando Gorges, who was at that time >>>> the >>>> | commander of the Port of Plymout, England sent, or came to the New >>>> England >>>> | coast on trading expositions. At one time, on Martha's Vinyard >>>> several >>>> | Indians were captured and taken back to England. Capawack, Coneconam, >>>> Epenow >>>> | and Sakaweston >>>> | >>>> | Samoset came from Monhegan which was one of the Elizabeth Islands. He >>>> was >>>> | given English beer which the Indians reffered to as "Stron Water' and >>>> also >>>> | "Fire Water". >>>> | >>>> | At Kingston, R.I. during the swamp fight, the whites set fire to >>>> every >>>> | habitable hut or tepee and burned hundreds of women and children. >>>> | >>>> | When the Indians approached Providence in 1676, Roger Williams went >>>> out >>>> | alone to meet them to try to disuade them from their purpose of >>>> attacking >>>> a >>>> | town.He was 77 years of age. "Massachusetts', said he, can raise >>>> thousands >>>> | of men at this moment, and if you kill them the king of England will >>>> supply >>>> | their places as fast as they fall." "Let them come" replied the >>>> savages, >>>> "we >>>> | are ready". But as for you, Brother Williams, you are a good man. >>>> | >>>> | Massasoit was born 1580-------and Died 1661. >>>> | >>>> | Approximately September 13, 1655 Nine Chiefs went to Plymouth to >>>> arrange >>>> a >>>> | modus vivendi >>>> | OHQUAMEHUD ..........Wampanooag >>>> | OBBITINUA ..........Obbatinewat, sachem of the Massachusetts and >>>> subject >>>> to >>>> | Massasoit >>>> | NATTAWAHUNT ....probably Natawanute or Attawanhut of Connecticut >>>> | CAUNBITANT....Sachem of Pocaset >>>> | CHICATAUBUT ...of the Massachusetts >>>> | QUADENQUINA ...Massasoit's younger brother >>>> | HUTTAMOIDEN.....?? >>>> | APPANOW........aSPINETOF >>>> | >>>> | WANTED TO GIVE YOU MOR E BUT [SLEEPPY iLL JUST THROEWN IN SOME >>>> | NAME,wILLETTS; wAMSUTTA;nARRAGABSETTS;SENGLISS"wAMSYYYA AA >>>> | >>>> | s][SORRY, GETTIMG TIRED....HOPE i WIONDER IF THIS BOOK IS LOCTED IN >>>> | RHODE ISLAND >>>> | Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:33 PMEOPLE WILL FIINF IT TO READ. >>>> | Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | >I think some of the Ponkapoag become *Praying Indians* >>>> | > along with some of the Native people from Natick, MA. >>>> | > >>>> | > Search for John Eliot, Praying Indians, Deer Island, i >>>> | > found a lot of information on this a couple of years ago. >>>> | > cHOW.....- >>>> | >>>> | rRANSDY WEEKS >>>> | > Also, Ponkapoag Tribe has a website >>>> | > http://www.canton.org/native/index.htm >>>> | > with historical information - looks good. >>>> | > >>>> | > Lisa >>>> | > [email protected] >>>> | > >>>> | > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> | > From: "Donald Taylor" <[email protected]> >>>> | > To: <[email protected]> >>>> | > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:10 AM >>>> | > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>> | > >>>> | > >>>> | > | Lisa, >>>> | > | Do you have this book or did you access it online? I am >>>> wondering >>>> | > about if there is any mention of the Ponkapaugs of >>>> | > Dorchester/Milton/Canton, >>>> | > Mass. >>>> | > | >>>> | > | Don T. >>>> | > | >>>> | > | Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> | > | Google search shows Native American, >>>> | > | Niantic Tribe. >>>> | > | >>>> | > | Phillip Occuish, b. 1716, converted to Christianity >>>> | > | in 1740, became a Baptist minister, some of his descendants >>>> | > | moved to Brothertown, NY >>>> | > | >>>> | > | Maybe you found his wife's grave among others- >>>> | > | Sarah - died 1787 >>>> | > | >>>> | > | found in >>>> | > | Samson Occum and the >>>> | > | Christian Indians of New England >>>> | > | W. DeLoss Love, PhD >>>> | > | 1899 >>>> | > | Pilgrim Press >>>> | > | >>>> | > | Lisa >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >