AOL & Yahoo are about to start using a system that gives preferential treatment to messages from companies that pay from 1/4cent to a penny each to have them de-livered. Saw that in todays paper, too. e

That is a very old urban legend. Besides, the Post Office has seen a rise in postage paid from buying products online and especially companies like eBay. Elaine <<<----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Waterhouse" (My comment: How long will it be before this system will be extended to the ordinary "Grunt" residential E-mail subscriber? There have been several proposals over the past few years to impose a 'per- message fee' for residential users. These proposals have come from the US Postal Service who have been lamenting the loss of revenue since the inception of free E-mail. It may just be a matter of time before one of these proposals is adopted.} >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Waterhouse" <wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: [RIGENWEB] PROBLEMS WITH AOL > To those Listers reporting problems with AOL, an article I've just > read in the local paper may explain....partially, or wholly, the reason; > to wit: Soon companies will have to buy the electronic equivalent of > a postage stamp if they want to be certain their E-mail will be de- > livered to many of their customers. AOL & Yahoo are about to start > using a system that gives preferential treatment to messages from > companies that pay from 1/4cent to a penny each to have them de- > livered. The 2 companies stand to earn millions a year if this system > is widely adopted. AOL & Yahoo claim this will help them identify leg- > itimate mail & cut down on junk E-mail, identity-theft scams & other > scourges that plague users of their services. Critics of the plan say > that both AOL & Yahoo risk alienating users & companies that use > E-mail, & that as to companies that send E-mail..."some will pay, > but others will object to being held ransom," with a big danger that > one of these companies will be big enough to encourage other AOL > users to use a different E-mail service. > (My comment: How long will it be before this system will be extended > to the ordinary "Grunt" residential E-mail subscriber? There have > been several proposals over the past few years to impose a 'per- > message fee' for residential users. These proposals have come from > the US Postal Service who have been lamenting the loss of revenue > since the inception of free E-mail. It may just be a matter of time > before one of these proposals is adopted.} > "Just thought you might want to know." > BILL in CT > -END- > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > The RI Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm > RIGenWeb Archives Search http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ri/risearch.html > >

Thanks Judy, That is how I read it also. Regina -----Original Message----- From: Judy [mailto:judya@hal-pc.org] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 1:52 PM To: RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING I just looked in the recently-published Carmack's Guide to Copyright & Contracts: A Primer for Genealogists, Writers & Researchers by Sharon Bartolo Carmack to see what it says. [An excellent book, by the way!] Here is some of what Carmack says regarding photographs: "Copyright law says a photographer is considered to be the 'author' or creator of photographic works and as such is the legal copyright holder. If you want to make copies of a photograph, alter it, or publish it, you need the photographer's permission to do so." "Any work published before 1923, including photographs and maps, is now in the public domain, and it cannot be retroactively protected." "If you want to use a family photograph, the copyright issues remain the same. Photographers hold the copyright for images; therefore, you can't use any professional studio photographs of relatives without getting the photographer's permission." From my quick reading, it appears that you need to try an locate some relative of the photographer to see if they know who holds the copyright to Mr. Loring's photographs. Judy Anthony Houston, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Bill Waterhouse [mailto:wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:53 AM To: RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re:RE: Re: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING Regina: If it were me I'd call a professional photographer & ask them if there are any restrictions on this. I have just looked in a reference book which states: Copyright: " A grant of an exclusive right to produce or sell a book, motion picture, work of art, music- al composition, or similar product during a specified period of time." Also: Copyright: "The legal protection given to published works, for- bidding anyone but the author from publishing or selling them. The symbol for copyright is C which I believe has be on the item if it is actually copyrighted." I don't see anything there which refers to photographs, do you? I might also try bringing them to a store such as CVS or Walgreens, who have photography services & see what they say. Also, there may be someone on this list who is an attorney, or has one in the family, who could give a legal opinion. Keep trying! BILL in CT -END- -------------------------------------------------------------- I went on the copyright site of the Library of Congress and that isn't what they say. So I was going to see if I could get permission. It is so much red tape. I know my sister tried to have some school pictures from years ago copied and Wal-Mart wouldn't let her make copies because they said that they were copyrighted. There wasn't anything written on the pictures. Thanks Regina -----Original Message----- From: Bill Waterhouse [mailto:wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:35 AM To: RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re:Re: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING Regina: The pictures are yours, & you don't need anyone's 'per- mission' to have them reproduced. BILL in CT -------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Paul Loring passed away a few years back. He has a brother,but I haven't seen him for sometime as he has left No.Kingstown. I believe the business need with Pauls death. Charlie Charlie Carpenter Washington County,R.I. Johnny cakes are spoiled by Maple syrup ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina" <rgpipes@direcway.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING > We want to have some pictures made from my husbands wedding picture > taken in 1946, how do we go about getting permission from the person > that made the picture by the name of LORING in Rhode Island. I doubt > that they are any family member are still in business. > Rhanks > Regina > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > The RI Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm > RIGenWeb Archives Search > http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ri/risearch.html > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Washington County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/ Scans of Rhode Island Maps are at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/maps/ ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Washington County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/ Scans of Rhode Island Maps are at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/maps/ ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Search the RIGenWeb Mailing List http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/mailsrch.html RIGenWeb Surname And Query List http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/state/qryindex.htm ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Support RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: http://www.rootsweb.com/ Surname Helper Search http://cgi.rootsweb.com/surhelp/srchall.html ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Visit RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: http://www.rootsweb.com/ WorldConnect Project -- Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/

To those Listers reporting problems with AOL, an article I've just read in the local paper may explain....partially, or wholly, the reason; to wit: Soon companies will have to buy the electronic equivalent of a postage stamp if they want to be certain their E-mail will be de- livered to many of their customers. AOL & Yahoo are about to start using a system that gives preferential treatment to messages from companies that pay from 1/4cent to a penny each to have them de- livered. The 2 companies stand to earn millions a year if this system is widely adopted. AOL & Yahoo claim this will help them identify leg- itimate mail & cut down on junk E-mail, identity-theft scams & other scourges that plague users of their services. Critics of the plan say that both AOL & Yahoo risk alienating users & companies that use E-mail, & that as to companies that send E-mail..."some will pay, but others will object to being held ransom," with a big danger that one of these companies will be big enough to encourage other AOL users to use a different E-mail service. (My comment: How long will it be before this system will be extended to the ordinary "Grunt" residential E-mail subscriber? There have been several proposals over the past few years to impose a 'per- message fee' for residential users. These proposals have come from the US Postal Service who have been lamenting the loss of revenue since the inception of free E-mail. It may just be a matter of time before one of these proposals is adopted.} "Just thought you might want to know." BILL in CT -END-

BILL in Ct. : sorry - didn't see your posting - I believe AOL lost some of my RIGENWEB postings - I had an idea it must be the Saugatuck since the Indian Brook comes off of it. Yup - your posting seals it.

Check ROOTSWEB help desk. I noticed you aere using AOL which has been a problem.

I thought it was just me but I haven't had my messages either.

Regina: If it were me I'd call a professional photographer & ask them if there are any restrictions on this. I have just looked in a reference book which states: Copyright: " A grant of an exclusive right to produce or sell a book, motion picture, work of art, music- al composition, or similar product during a specified period of time." Also: Copyright: "The legal protection given to published works, for- bidding anyone but the author from publishing or selling them. The symbol for copyright is C which I believe has be on the item if it is actually copyrighted." I don't see anything there which refers to photographs, do you? I might also try bringing them to a store such as CVS or Walgreens, who have photography services & see what they say. Also, there may be someone on this list who is an attorney, or has one in the family, who could give a legal opinion. Keep trying! BILL in CT -END- -------------------------------------------------------------- I went on the copyright site of the Library of Congress and that isn't what they say. So I was going to see if I could get permission. It is so much red tape. I know my sister tried to have some school pictures from years ago copied and Wal-Mart wouldn't let her make copies because they said that they were copyrighted. There wasn't anything written on the pictures. Thanks Regina -----Original Message----- From: Bill Waterhouse [mailto:wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:35 AM To: RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re:Re: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING Regina: The pictures are yours, & you don't need anyone's 'per- mission' to have them reproduced. BILL in CT -------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Paul Loring passed away a few years back. He has a brother,but I haven't seen him for sometime as he has left No.Kingstown. I believe the business need with Pauls death. Charlie Charlie Carpenter Washington County,R.I. Johnny cakes are spoiled by Maple syrup ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina" <rgpipes@direcway.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING > We want to have some pictures made from my husbands wedding picture taken in > 1946, how do we go about getting permission from the person that made the > picture by the name of LORING in Rhode Island. I doubt that they are any > family member are still in business. > Rhanks > Regina > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > The RI Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm > RIGenWeb Archives Search http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ri/risearch.html > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Washington County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/ Scans of Rhode Island Maps are at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/maps/ ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Washington County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/ Scans of Rhode Island Maps are at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/maps/ ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Search the RIGenWeb Mailing List http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/mailsrch.html RIGenWeb Surname And Query List http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/state/qryindex.htm

I just looked in the recently-published Carmack's Guide to Copyright & Contracts: A Primer for Genealogists, Writers & Researchers by Sharon Bartolo Carmack to see what it says. [An excellent book, by the way!] Here is some of what Carmack says regarding photographs: "Copyright law says a photographer is considered to be the 'author' or creator of photographic works and as such is the legal copyright holder. If you want to make copies of a photograph, alter it, or publish it, you need the photographer's permission to do so." "Any work published before 1923, including photographs and maps, is now in the public domain, and it cannot be retroactively protected." "If you want to use a family photograph, the copyright issues remain the same. Photographers hold the copyright for images; therefore, you can't use any professional studio photographs of relatives without getting the photographer's permission." From my quick reading, it appears that you need to try an locate some relative of the photographer to see if they know who holds the copyright to Mr. Loring's photographs. Judy Anthony Houston, Texas -----Original Message----- From: Bill Waterhouse [mailto:wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:53 AM To: RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re:RE: Re: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING Regina: If it were me I'd call a professional photographer & ask them if there are any restrictions on this. I have just looked in a reference book which states: Copyright: " A grant of an exclusive right to produce or sell a book, motion picture, work of art, music- al composition, or similar product during a specified period of time." Also: Copyright: "The legal protection given to published works, for- bidding anyone but the author from publishing or selling them. The symbol for copyright is C which I believe has be on the item if it is actually copyrighted." I don't see anything there which refers to photographs, do you? I might also try bringing them to a store such as CVS or Walgreens, who have photography services & see what they say. Also, there may be someone on this list who is an attorney, or has one in the family, who could give a legal opinion. Keep trying! BILL in CT -END- -------------------------------------------------------------- I went on the copyright site of the Library of Congress and that isn't what they say. So I was going to see if I could get permission. It is so much red tape. I know my sister tried to have some school pictures from years ago copied and Wal-Mart wouldn't let her make copies because they said that they were copyrighted. There wasn't anything written on the pictures. Thanks Regina -----Original Message----- From: Bill Waterhouse [mailto:wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:35 AM To: RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re:Re: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING Regina: The pictures are yours, & you don't need anyone's 'per- mission' to have them reproduced. BILL in CT -------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Paul Loring passed away a few years back. He has a brother,but I haven't seen him for sometime as he has left No.Kingstown. I believe the business need with Pauls death. Charlie Charlie Carpenter Washington County,R.I. Johnny cakes are spoiled by Maple syrup ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina" <rgpipes@direcway.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING > We want to have some pictures made from my husbands wedding picture > taken in 1946, how do we go about getting permission from the person > that made the picture by the name of LORING in Rhode Island. I doubt > that they are any family member are still in business. > Rhanks > Regina > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > The RI Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm > RIGenWeb Archives Search > http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ri/risearch.html > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Washington County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/ Scans of Rhode Island Maps are at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/maps/ ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Washington County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/ Scans of Rhode Island Maps are at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/maps/ ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Search the RIGenWeb Mailing List http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/mailsrch.html RIGenWeb Surname And Query List http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/state/qryindex.htm ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Support RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: http://www.rootsweb.com/ Surname Helper Search http://cgi.rootsweb.com/surhelp/srchall.html

Regina: The pictures are yours, & you don't need anyone's 'per- mission' to have them reproduced. BILL in CT -------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Paul Loring passed away a few years back. He has a brother,but I haven't seen him for sometime as he has left No.Kingstown. I believe the business need with Pauls death. Charlie Charlie Carpenter Washington County,R.I. Johnny cakes are spoiled by Maple syrup ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina" <rgpipes@direcway.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING > We want to have some pictures made from my husbands wedding picture taken in > 1946, how do we go about getting permission from the person that made the > picture by the name of LORING in Rhode Island. I doubt that they are any > family member are still in business. > Rhanks > Regina > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > The RI Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm > RIGenWeb Archives Search http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ri/risearch.html > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Washington County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/ Scans of Rhode Island Maps are at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/maps/

HI! I replied to this question: "Where is/was it?" last week in a posting to this list. In an older Atlas I found at just south of the intersection of Rt's 138 & 4, Indian Lake with a dam at it's southerly end which connects to a stream marked as the "Saugatucket" which continues to flow southerly until emptying into Point Judith Pond which appears to be a tidal estuary. Another Lister added that the dam was put across the Indian River some years ago to create a reservoir which is now known as Indian Lake. Apparently at this time the Indian River then became the Saugatucket. "Just thought you might want to know." BILL in CT -END- -------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.dem.ri.gov/programs/bpoladm/suswshed/pdfs/saugplan.pdf Page 4, Objective 1: "Restore the Saugatucket R Saugatucket Pond and Indian River Brook." Have yet to find the Indian on the map. ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Search the RIGenWeb Mailing List http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/mailsrch.html RIGenWeb Surname And Query List http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/state/qryindex.htm

Hi Paul Loring passed away a few years back. He has a brother,but I haven't seen him for sometime as he has left No.Kingstown. I believe the business need with Pauls death. Charlie Charlie Carpenter Washington County,R.I. Johnny cakes are spoiled by Maple syrup ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina" <rgpipes@direcway.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING > We want to have some pictures made from my husbands wedding picture taken in > 1946, how do we go about getting permission from the person that made the > picture by the name of LORING in Rhode Island. I doubt that they are any > family member are still in business. > Rhanks > Regina > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > The RI Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm > RIGenWeb Archives Search http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ri/risearch.html > >

I went on the copyright site of the Library of Congress and that isn't what they say. So I was going to see if I could get permission. It is so much red tape. I know my sister tried to have some school pictures from years ago copied and Wal-Mart wouldn't let her make copies because they said that they were copyrighted. There wasn't anything written on the pictures. Thanks Regina -----Original Message----- From: Bill Waterhouse [mailto:wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com] Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:35 AM To: RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re:Re: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING Regina: The pictures are yours, & you don't need anyone's 'per- mission' to have them reproduced. BILL in CT -------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Paul Loring passed away a few years back. He has a brother,but I haven't seen him for sometime as he has left No.Kingstown. I believe the business need with Pauls death. Charlie Charlie Carpenter Washington County,R.I. Johnny cakes are spoiled by Maple syrup ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina" <rgpipes@direcway.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:14 AM Subject: [RIGENWEB] Photographer----LORING > We want to have some pictures made from my husbands wedding picture taken in > 1946, how do we go about getting permission from the person that made the > picture by the name of LORING in Rhode Island. I doubt that they are any > family member are still in business. > Rhanks > Regina > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > The RI Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm > RIGenWeb Archives Search http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ri/risearch.html > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Washington County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/ Scans of Rhode Island Maps are at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/maps/ ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Washington County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/ Scans of Rhode Island Maps are at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/maps/

On 2/5/06 10:39 AM, "Usaf1135@aol.com" <Usaf1135@aol.com> wrote: > Page 4, Objective 1: "Restore the Saugatucket R Saugatucket Pond and Indian > River Brook." Have yet to find the Indian on the map. If we are looking for "Indian River" and near Saugatucket River and Pond, then try this try checking these maps. I think it might also be known as Indian Run Brook. http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?S=14&T=2&lat=41.4492&lon=-71.4964 Feature Name: Indian Run Feature Type: stream State: Rhode Island County: Washington USGS 7.5' x 7.5' Map: Narragansett Pier 412657N 0712947W 1944 USGS Map http://docs.unh.edu/RI/narg44nw.jpg Here is some info on Saugatucket River Watershed http://www.saugatucket.org/

http://www.dem.ri.gov/programs/bpoladm/suswshed/pdfs/saugplan.pdf Page 4, Objective 1: "Restore the Saugatucket R Saugatucket Pond and Indian River Brook." Have yet to find the Indian on the map.

We want to have some pictures made from my husbands wedding picture taken in 1946, how do we go about getting permission from the person that made the picture by the name of LORING in Rhode Island. I doubt that they are any family member are still in business. Rhanks Regina

from a memorial in the village of Fruit Hill, town of North Providence, RI: Joshua K. Broadhead Memorial Square Sgt, Battery A, 103rd Field Artillery Croix de Guerre with gilt star distinguished service cross sacrificed his life with honor in France, Apr. 20, 1918 Dedicated by the Joshua K. Broadhead Post No. 46 American Legion, 1935

on a small stone near the WWI memorial: Killed in action World War II: George M. Smith, Jr. Jonathan Simas Ralph Gardiner

from a monument on Wilbur Ave., or around that area: In honor of the boys from Oak Lawn who served their country during the World War, 1917 - 1919 In Memoriam: Charles E. Jenkins, Jr. In Memoriam: Preston W. Towne Leo E. Almberg Frank H. Arnold John F. Callery, Jr. Ralph H. Chute William H. Congdon, Jr. William R. Farrow G. Sidney Goodspeed Chester P. Greene Clifford Greene Raymond W. Greene Manuel C. Joseph James A. Kelley, Jr. Oliva Lamoureux David J. Langevin Oscar S. Lapham King Odell John Rogers William N. Rogers Ernest L. Sperry John L. Sperry Raymond S. Sutcliffe Arnold C. Towne Edwin E. Verry C. Raymond Witchell Erected by the Citizens of Oak Lawn, 1924

On 2/4/06 11:24 PM, "DonnaRNCEN@aol.com" <DonnaRNCEN@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Sheila, > Thank you for that reference! > Between the info I have from you and Charlie Carpenter I think that the > Road (I out River in the title) probably was what we now call Rte 1. > Take care, Donna Hi Donna, There is a great book by Sidney S. Rider. I would think most libraries have it and it lists every name of a place, brook, stream, etc as it was known by the Indians and various spellings and sometimes will reference specific deeds where you might find this name mentioned. "The Lands of Rhode Island as They Were Known to Caunounicus and Miatunnomu When Roger Williams Came in 1636" Sheila