Elaine: I believe this is the way-walking-that most of our ancestors traveled to their newly adopted homestead sites. Walking several hundred miles was no great burden to those of "pioneer stock" & it undoubtedly contributed to their longevity. Unlike today when many cannot go across the street without getting in the car. God Bless them & the memory of their sacrifices. BILL in CT -------------------------------------------------------------- Jean, All my ancestors walked here along side their wagons full of goods to start a new life. Sometimes a husband would come with a son or brother to clear the land and put up a shelter and then go back to RI and pick the rest of the family up. My Phillips ancestors came here with their wagon and oxen when they were in their 60's. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Quiggle" <quiggs03@yahoo.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:51 AM Subject: Re:Re: [RIGENWEB] Book on Mystic > Hello folks, > > I am very interested in this particular route and any ships that may have > sailed it. We think that my husbands ancestor may have traveled this > route in the late 1700's/early 1800's. Perry Peckham is suppose to have > been born in Tiverton RI. We have found him in Charleston, Montgomery Co, > New York in 1801 when he marries Statira Topping. So far, we have nothing > in between. It seems to us that most folks migrating from RI to upstate NY > probably to a sea route as opposed to a land route. Is there a good > source of information on this migration that any of you highly recommend? > > Thanks for any insights and suggestions that you can share. > > Jean Q > > Bill Waterhouse <wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com> wrote: > > Arlene: There are several "Allyn's" listed, but no "Allen's." Also no > vessel named Albany Trader.The book lists only the ships BUILT in > Mystic between 1784-1919...which I suspect the Albany Trader wasn't > as you state 'most were from RI.' > Thanks for your inquiry regardless. > BILL > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill, would your book have anything about a Thomas > Allen from R.I? Some of the ships he captained were > from CT. Most were from R.I. His last boat was the > "Albany Trader" which ran from Narragansett Bay > (Allen's Harbor) to Albany, N.Y. > > Thank you for your time. > > Arlene Clarke Haddock > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Visit RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > WorldConnect Project -- Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Providence County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riprovid/ > Submit your Rhode Island Query at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/queries.html > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Providence County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riprovid/ > Submit your Rhode Island Query at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/queries.html > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Visit and/or join our Rhode Island off topic Mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhode_Island/?yguid=86367525 Subscribe: Rhode_Island-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Margaret: Again, thank you for the early newspaper articles on the Jeremiah Wilson Pollock murder. You also wrote: "[If you don't already have the divorce papers, you can get them, free of charge, by emailing <archives@courts.ri.gov> ]" I sent off that same night requesting the divorce papers, and I am wondering how long of a wait to expect. Have you had any experience with this? Thanks, Suzanne Pollock Hough ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. E. Potter" <potter@inch.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Pollock Murder -- The Scoop > Hi Jean, > > All of the following are from the same source, "Early American Newspapers, > Series I, 1690 to 1876" available to members on the NEHGS website. > > First, the following popped up (in case you don't already know this): > > From the Rhode-Island Republican, Vol.. 13, Iss. 27, pg. 4, 1821-10-03: > > "WASHINGTON, ss. -- Supreme Judicial Court / October term, A. D. 1820. / > WHEREAS Marvel Pollock of Exeter, in the county of Washington, wife of > Jeremiah W. Pollock, now residing in parts unknown, has this day filed her > petition, in my Office, praying, for certain reasons therein stated, that > the bonds of matrimony subsisting between her and the said Jeremiah, may > be dissolved. Notice is hereby given to the said Jeremiah, to be and > appear, if he see fit, before the Honorable Supreme Judicial Court to be > holden, at South-Kingstown, within and for the county of Washington, on > the second Monday of October, 1821, to shew [sic] cause why the prayer of > said petition, ought not to be granted. / JOHN SEGAR, Clerk. / South > Kingstown, Aug. 18, 1821 [S.12]" > > [If you don't already have the divorce papers, you can get them, free of > charge, by emailing <archives@courts.ri.gov> ] > > > From the Norwich Courier, Vol. III, Iss. 42, pg. 3, 1825-01-19: "Trial > for Murder. -- On Wednesday last, came on the trial of Adonijah Bailey, > aged 80 years, for the murder of Jeremiah W. Pollock, at the Superior > Court, holden at Brooklyn -- Judges Peters and Brainard presiding. The > jury retired about 20 minutes, and returned with a verdict of GUILTY. / We > understand that the counsel for the prisoner have in arrest of judgment on > the ground of one of the jurors not being a freeholder, and petitioned for > a new trial on account of the misdirection of the Judge." > > > From the Middlesex Gazette, Vol. XL, Iss. 2044 , pg. 2, 1825-01-26: > "DOMESTIC. / On Wednesday last, the trial of Adonijah Baily [sic] for the > murder of Jeremiah W. Pollock, commenced at Brooklyn, in the county of > Windham, and terminated on Friday evening. So much interest had been > excited, that before the trial commenced, the town was thronged with > people from all parts of the County. The Hon. Judge PETERS presided at the > trial. When Bailey was brought in to plead, great anxiety was manifested > to witness the solemn scene. The prisoner was brought in by the Sheriff > and his deputies, and as he approached the bar of justice, at the age of > 79, halting with infirmity, every soul present seemed deeply affected, > exoept [sic] the prisoner, who though attentive was unmoved. The case was > conducted on the part of the State, by Col. JUDSON, State Attorney, > assisted by Wm. P. CLEAVELAND, Esq.; and on the part of the prisoner by C. > GODDARD, and J. EATON, Esquires. / The testimony disclosed the most cruel > and awful murder that has taken place in the State of Connecticut for many > years. The substance of the testimony was as follows: -- / Pollock had for > some weeks been at work at Baileys, in the town of Sterling, and on the > 23d of Oct. last, Pollock was missing: search was made from day to day for > the body, until Nov. 3d when it was found buried, one foot deep, eight > rods from the place where Bailey and Pollock had been at work. On taking > the body from the ground, it appeared that four wounds were made on the > back part of the head, cut through the scull [sic] with an axe. Eight > witnesses testified that Bailey said he was with Pollock, making shingles > until 11 o'clock on the 23d of Oct. when Pollock went away, to go to a > neighbouring store, and that he, Bailey, stayed to work till late dinner > time, and immediately returned and continued work there all day. Traces of > blood were discovered from the shingle place, to the place where the body > was found, and a fire had been kindled with a view to burn up the bloody > shavings, but many were found partly consumed and others covered up, all > this within 30 rods of Bailey's house. Bailey was asked whether there was > any fire on the spot on the day Pollock was missing, repeatedly said there > was none, could not have been any, as he was in a situation to know, being > there all the time. It was then proved beyond all doubt that a fire was > seen to be kindled around the shingle place about 2 o'clock P. M. which > remained to burn some time. On searching Bailey, a note and order > belonging to Pollock were found in his possession. Pollock's trunk was > found open, and all its contents taken out, and some papers belonging to > Pollock were thrown into the fire, and identified, some of them were taken > off by a witness before consumed. When Pollock was last seen he had money > with him and Bailey was destitute of any, until after Pollock's death, > when he passed money at the store, to a considerable amount. Pollock's > pocket-book and watch have never been found. One witness swore that about > 10 days before Pollock was murdered, Bailey said 'that he or Pollock > should die soon.' After Bailey's arrest and while under the care of the > officer he tried to bribe his keepers and get away from them. -- These > together with many other circumstances rendered his case entirely > hopeless. After a protracted trial of three days, the cause was committed > to the Jury, who returned a verdict of GUILTY. / The next day the prisoner > was set at the bar to receive sentence, and being asked whether he had any > reasons why sentence of death should not be pronounced, the prisoner > replied with perfect coolness, that 'he had none, for he was willing to > submit to the law.' / Judge Peters then proceeded in a most solemn and > impressive manner to conclude the scene. The sentence was pronounced, and > the execution is to take place the 2d Wednesday of June next. -- N. L. > Advocate." > > From the Rhode Island American, Vol. XVII, Iss. 35, pg. 2, 1825-01-28: > "At a recent term of the Supreme Court of Connecticut in Windham county, > Adonijah Bailey, aged eighty years, was convicted of the murder of > Jeremiah W. Pollock, and sentenced to be executed on the 8th of June next. > It is stated that the testimony disclosed the most cruel and awful murder > that has been committed in Connecticut for many years." > > From the Middlesex Gazette, Vol. XL, Iss. 2062, pg. 3, 1825-06-01: "On > the night of the 24th inst. Adonijah Bailey who was sentenced to be > executed on the 8th day of June next, for the murder of Jeremiah W. > Pollock, evaded the sentence of the Judge by hanging himself, during the > silence of the night in the dreary mansion of the Goal [sic], without any > one to assist him. He made his rope of bandages which he took from his > sore leg, and attached one end of it by a nail to the hinge of the door, > and the other part of the rope round his neck, he was found hanging with > his knees nearly to the floor, when the Goaler [sic] entered his room in > the morning, the body was interred on Thursday. / Since his death we > understand the Gaoler has found many papers in the room where he was > confined which contain his confession of many black crimes, and among > which, is the murder of Jeremiah W. Pollock, he has confessed how and in > what manner he committed the bloody deed but not the cause, all of which > will soon appear in a pamphlet containing also his trial. -- Brooklyn > Obser." > > > Perhaps you can track down that pamphlet, if it was ever actually > published. Maybe a local historical society would have a copy. > > Regards, > Margaret > > > > At 07:49 AM 3/15/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Gang, >>Here is another murder nightmare that I have in my genealogy. Maybe one >>of >>you that have all this access to these great books can find something. >>I certainly would appreciate it... >>Jeremiah Wilson Pollock is my 5th gr grandfather..B 1769 Wakefield...died >>23 >>Oct 1824 Sterling, CT >>Per Arnold...Jeremiah Wilson Pollock was a postal carrier and Whig >>Also he was murdered in Sterling, Ct. as was his brother 2 months prior. >>Wonder if the murders are related. >> >>Sincerely, Jean B >> >> >>==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== >>The RI Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm >>RIGenWeb Archives Search http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ri/risearch.html > > > > > > > > At 07:49 AM 3/15/2006, you wrote: >>Hi Gang, >>Here is another murder nightmare that I have in my genealogy. Maybe one >>of >>you that have all this access to these great books can find something. >>I certainly would appreciate it... >>Jeremiah Wilson Pollock is my 5th gr grandfather..B 1769 Wakefield...died >>23 >>Oct 1824 Sterling, CT >>Per Arnold...Jeremiah Wilson Pollock was a postal carrier and Whig >>Also he was murdered in Sterling, Ct. as was his brother 2 months prior. >>Wonder if the murders are related. >> >>Sincerely, Jean B >> >> >>==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== >>The RI Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm >>RIGenWeb Archives Search http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ri/risearch.html > > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Kent County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~rikent/ > Search the RIGenWeb Pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/search.html >

Hello Elaine, Do you have the poem and are you willing to share? I would love to read it if so. Thanks to all who have responded to my query. Your insights, thoughts, information, and leads have been very helpful and inspiring. I am really looking forward to some free time this weekend to pursue what you have offered today. Jean Q elainedecker@frontiernet.net wrote: Bill, Yes, you are right. That particular grandma lived to be 102 and wrote a beautiful poem the year she died and she wrote it after she walked to the cemetery to visit her husband's grave. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Waterhouse" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:28 PM Subject: Re:Re: Re:Re: [RIGENWEB] Book on Mystic > Elaine: I believe this is the way-walking-that most of our ancestors > traveled to their newly adopted homestead sites. Walking several > hundred miles was no great burden to those of "pioneer stock" & it > undoubtedly contributed to their longevity. Unlike today when many > cannot go across the street without getting in the car. God Bless > them & the memory of their sacrifices. > BILL in CT > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Jean, > All my ancestors walked here along side their wagons full of goods to > start a new life. Sometimes a husband would come with a son or brother > to clear the land and put up a shelter and then go back to RI and pick > the rest of the family up. My Phillips ancestors came here with their > wagon and oxen when they were in their 60's. > > Elaine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Quiggle" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:51 AM > Subject: Re:Re: [RIGENWEB] Book on Mystic > > >> Hello folks, >> >> I am very interested in this particular route and any ships that may >> have >> sailed it. We think that my husbands ancestor may have traveled this >> route in the late 1700's/early 1800's. Perry Peckham is suppose to have >> been born in Tiverton RI. We have found him in Charleston, Montgomery >> Co, >> New York in 1801 when he marries Statira Topping. So far, we have >> nothing >> in between. It seems to us that most folks migrating from RI to upstate >> NY >> probably to a sea route as opposed to a land route. Is there a good >> source of information on this migration that any of you highly recommend? >> >> Thanks for any insights and suggestions that you can share. >> >> Jean Q >> >> Bill Waterhouse wrote: >> >> Arlene: There are several "Allyn's" listed, but no "Allen's." Also no >> vessel named Albany Trader.The book lists only the ships BUILT in >> Mystic between 1784-1919...which I suspect the Albany Trader wasn't >> as you state 'most were from RI.' >> Thanks for your inquiry regardless. >> BILL >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bill, would your book have anything about a Thomas >> Allen from R.I? Some of the ships he captained were >> from CT. Most were from R.I. His last boat was the >> "Albany Trader" which ran from Narragansett Bay >> (Allen's Harbor) to Albany, N.Y. >> >> Thank you for your time. >> >> Arlene Clarke Haddock >> __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== >> Visit RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: http://www.rootsweb.com/ >> WorldConnect Project -- Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time >> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ >> >> >> ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== >> Providence County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riprovid/ >> Submit your Rhode Island Query at >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/queries.html >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Mail >> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. >> >> >> ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== >> Providence County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riprovid/ >> Submit your Rhode Island Query at >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/queries.html >> >> > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Visit and/or join our Rhode Island off topic Mail list > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhode_Island/?yguid=86367525 Subscribe: > Rhode_Island-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Bristol County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ribristo/ > RI Cemeteries Index http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/cemetery/ > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Visit and/or join our Rhode Island off topic Mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhode_Island/?yguid=86367525 Subscribe: Rhode_Island-subscribe@yahoogroups.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.

Jean, All my ancestors walked here along side their wagons full of goods to start a new life. Sometimes a husband would come with a son or brother to clear the land and put up a shelter and then go back to RI and pick the rest of the family up. My Phillips ancestors came here with their wagon and oxen when they were in their 60's. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Quiggle" <quiggs03@yahoo.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:51 AM Subject: Re:Re: [RIGENWEB] Book on Mystic > Hello folks, > > I am very interested in this particular route and any ships that may have > sailed it. We think that my husbands ancestor may have traveled this > route in the late 1700's/early 1800's. Perry Peckham is suppose to have > been born in Tiverton RI. We have found him in Charleston, Montgomery Co, > New York in 1801 when he marries Statira Topping. So far, we have nothing > in between. It seems to us that most folks migrating from RI to upstate NY > probably to a sea route as opposed to a land route. Is there a good > source of information on this migration that any of you highly recommend? > > Thanks for any insights and suggestions that you can share. > > Jean Q > > Bill Waterhouse <wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com> wrote: > > Arlene: There are several "Allyn's" listed, but no "Allen's." Also no > vessel named Albany Trader.The book lists only the ships BUILT in > Mystic between 1784-1919...which I suspect the Albany Trader wasn't > as you state 'most were from RI.' > Thanks for your inquiry regardless. > BILL > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill, would your book have anything about a Thomas > Allen from R.I? Some of the ships he captained were > from CT. Most were from R.I. His last boat was the > "Albany Trader" which ran from Narragansett Bay > (Allen's Harbor) to Albany, N.Y. > > Thank you for your time. > > Arlene Clarke Haddock > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Visit RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: http://www.rootsweb.com/ > WorldConnect Project -- Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Providence County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riprovid/ > Submit your Rhode Island Query at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/queries.html > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Providence County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riprovid/ > Submit your Rhode Island Query at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/queries.html > >

I have just read a great article in the New England Ancestors magazine, Spring 2002 issue pp 11-16 on this subject. The article is writtne by David Curtis Dearborn of NEHGS and includes a list of suggested reading on the subject. Here are a couple of them. Holbrook, Stewart H., they Yankee Exodus: an Account of Migration from New England Davenport, David Paul, The Yankee Settlement of New York, 1783-1820," Genealogical Journal, 17 (1988-89):63-88 -- Kind regards, Sandy from Colorado

Sorry Bill CRV-L@rootsweb.com This is a list that Cindy started, and has been a great resource. If you just type in Mohawk Valley, or Hudson Valley, or Connecticut Valley, into your request, there are so many pages with information. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Waterhouse" <wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:34 AM Subject: Re:[RIGENWEB] River Travel > Bonnie: Is that addy: CRV_L@rootsweb.com a 'subscribe' address, > or what? > BILL in CT > -------------------------------------------------------------- > There have been many articles printed about the Hudson and Mohawk valleys. > > The Hudson was the route north, and the Mohawk was the only route west, through the mountains, in the early days. > > There was also Schoharie and Delaware Valleys, but these were secondary routes, until after the Revolution. > > After the war, men who had fought, were awarded land in mostly NY state. This land had been purchased from the Iroquois. The men who were true to Britain fled to Canada, along the same routes, although some of them went by sea to Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. > > This is a simple explanation, and more can be learned from pulling up the web sites of these valleys. > > CRV_L@rootsweb.com > The Connecticut River Valley has a lot of information on this. > > Bonnie > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Providence County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riprovid/ Submit your Rhode Island Query at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/queries.html > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Search the RIGenWeb Mailing List http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/mailsrch.html > RIGenWeb Surname And Query List http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/state/qryindex.htm

Bonnie: Is that addy: CRV_L@rootsweb.com a 'subscribe' address, or what? BILL in CT -------------------------------------------------------------- There have been many articles printed about the Hudson and Mohawk valleys. The Hudson was the route north, and the Mohawk was the only route west, through the mountains, in the early days. There was also Schoharie and Delaware Valleys, but these were secondary routes, until after the Revolution. After the war, men who had fought, were awarded land in mostly NY state. This land had been purchased from the Iroquois. The men who were true to Britain fled to Canada, along the same routes, although some of them went by sea to Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. This is a simple explanation, and more can be learned from pulling up the web sites of these valleys. CRV_L@rootsweb.com The Connecticut River Valley has a lot of information on this. Bonnie ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Providence County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riprovid/ Submit your Rhode Island Query at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/queries.html

Hi Jane: Very interesting info you have given. As I mentioned 'pro- hibitive cost' as being a deterrent to travel by water, I looked to a book I have titled: "Planters of the Commonwealth" originally pub- lished in 1930. In it I find that the Pilgrims of the Mayflower & the other ships of that era which brought colonists to the New World were charged a fee under a 7year contract which was 10pounds, & they furnished, as far as possible, their own subsistence. This fee was for adults only, with a separate fee schedule for children based on age. In addition to the passenger fares, the cost of shipping house- hold goods increased the financial problem for the emigrant. It was necessary to carry these things across the ocean as there was no way to obtain them in the early years of an unsettled country. The rate for this service was fixed at '4 li, a tonn for goods.' For an av- erage family of 8 persons with a ton of freight the cost would be about 30 pounds, or nearly a thousand dollars in our 'present mon- ey'-(Remember 'present' was in the year 1930 when the book was written..What would that equate to in 'today's money?') Those em- igrants who also traveled by water from New England to NY State would also have had to bring their household goods with them, thus I feel that the term 'cost prohibitive' could have applied equally as well to them. Just a view of what our forebearers endured phys- ically, as well as financially, in the hope of finding a new & better life. I also imagine many stayed & continued to endure their life as it was at that time, due simply to: "They could not afford to do otherwise." Bill Waterhouse Mystic, CT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, all, I haven't been following this thread closely, but want to say that water was the predominant way to travel in colonial days because ships or small boats could duck around easily across bodies of water. By the late 1700s certainly there were well established roads across New England, and the men who had marched across in the French and Indian War and Revolution would have known them. However I do know that a lot of people used the boat to go from Fall River to Albany. My own ancestor David Cook went that way to go back to Westport, Mass., for a second wife after the first one died in Schoharie Co., NY, in the 1830s. In compiling the Thomas Cooke Gen., I found some correspondence and bills of lading that showed relatives coming to visit around 1810, by boat down the coast and then up the Hudson to New Baltimore, where I guess they took off by foot or by horse. I can't imagine that the long overland trip would have been less expensive than the boat trip, given the number of days involved and the wear and tear on a horse. I grew up next to the Hudson River, and the "Landings" in various towns were still there although used only by the Dayboat between NY and Albany, and only a very few major ones for that. My grandfather was Capt. of a river boat in the mid to late 1800s, and they hauled freight as well as passengers, and stopped at all the little landings up and down the Hudson. Jane ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Visit and/or join our Rhode Island off topic Mail list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhode_Island/?yguid=86367525 Subscribe: Rhode_Island-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

There have been many articles printed about the Hudson and Mohawk valleys. The Hudson was the route north, and the Mohawk was the only route west, through the mountains, in the early days. There was also Schoharie and Delaware Valleys, but these were secondary routes, until after the Revolution. After the war, men who had fought, were awarded land in mostly NY state. This land had been purchased from the Iroquois. The men who were true to Britain fled to Canada, along the same routes, although some of them went by sea to Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. This is a simple explanation, and more can be learned from pulling up the web sites of these valleys. CRV_L@rootsweb.com The Connecticut River Valley has a lot of information on this. Bonnie

Elaine - It was so helpful of me to leave out the link to the collection, wasn't it? http://oasis.harvard.edu:10080/oasis/deliver/advancedsearch?_collection=oasis and this is the link to the collection http://oasis.harvard.edu:10080/oasis/deliver/findingAidDisplay?_collection=oasis&inoid=1741&histno=1 the collection is not on line, just the finding aids. I found the site by doing a search at google for Brown +murder +rhode island I think From what I can tell, the collection contains newspaper clippings that ran every day in the Boston Evening American and the Boston Sunday Advertiser newspapers. These newspapers are probably available on microfilm - check the Boston Public Library - I'm pretty sure they have all the available newspaper films. Anyway, I thought it was an interesting find for anyone interested in crimes of the old days. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <elainedecker@frontiernet.net> > Lisa, > > I can only find links that say you must be student or faculty to look > at these sites at Harvard Law School Library. Am I looking in the > wrong place? > > Elaine > > Quoting Lisa Lepore <llepore@comcast.net>: > > > Donna - > > > > I may have found something on this - in the > > Wood Detective Agency. Records, 1865-1945 : Finding Aid. > > at the website of the Harvard Law School Library > > > > Scroll down till you get to this section - > > > > Series 4: Clippings of the Cases of James Rodney Wood Jr. > > > > 5-19 Brown, Annie D. Account of Her Murder by William Brown, 1918. > > Written by Paul Whelton. > > > > "True Detective Stories from the New England Police Annals" which were > > presented daily > > by the Boston Evening American and the Boston Sunday Advertiser. > > > > The names could be a coincidence, then again...... > > > > You may be able to find the newspaper articles elsewhere. > > > > Hope this is the one, > > Lisa > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Donna Potter" <uriramfan@cox.net> > > To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:31 PM > > Subject: [RIGENWEB] Murder in South County in early 1800s committed by > > Wm C Brown > > > > > >> In doing some research on the Peleg Brown family, I ran across an > > item in an old newspaper, the Rhode Island American of January 28, > > 1814. They had published a letter written by someone to a family > > member stationed at Fort Trumbull. The letter went into detail about > > how on the 27th of "December last" William C. Brown, son of Peleg > > Brown, had murdered a 4-5 year old child who lived with him. He killed > > the child because she was having trouble learning her alphabet. There > > was a description of a horrific crime, and then the writer added that > > the whole scene was witnessed by Brown's wife and "Baker and his > > wife" - none of whom did anything to stop the crime. > >> > >> I have been trying to find out the name of the little girl as well > > as any info on a trial, jail sentence, etc. There's a big gap in the > > births of children to William and his wife, Sally Kenyon, which may be > > accounted for by the fact that he could have been incarcerated, but I > > can find nothing else on the crime to support that. > >> > >> Have any of you South County history experts heard of this crime? > > Any info is appreciated. > >> Donna in RI > >>

Hi, all, I haven't been following this thread closely, but want to say that water was the predominant way to travel in colonial days because ships or small boats could duck around easily across bodies of water. By the late 1700s certainly there were well established roads across New England, and the men who had marched across in the French and Indian War and Revolution would have known them. However I do know that a lot of people used the boat to go from Fall River to Albany. My own ancestor David Cook went that way to go back to Westport, Mass., for a second wife after the first one died in Schoharie Co., NY, in the 1830s. In compiling the Thomas Cooke Gen., I found some correspondence and bills of lading that showed relatives coming to visit around 1810, by boat down the coast and then up the Hudson to New Baltimore, where I guess they took off by foot or by horse. I can't imagine that the long overland trip would have been less expensive than the boat trip, given the number of days involved and the wear and tear on a horse. I grew up next to the Hudson River, and the "Landings" in various towns were still there although used only by the Dayboat between NY and Albany, and only a very few major ones for that. My grandfather was Capt. of a river boat in the mid to late 1800s, and they hauled freight as well as passengers, and stopped at all the little landings up and down the Hudson. Jane

Hi Jean: I don't find any reference to a 'Perry Peckham' in Mystic Built. That's an interesting thought you have that emigrants from RI to NY State may have traveled by water-Up the Hudson River I'd assume-to points in NY State. My thought is that might this have been 'cost prohibitive' in contrast to traveling on foot or horseback or wagon. I had a chart I obtained from Everton which showed all of the main migration routes employed....but I can't seem to find it. The article posted on RIGENWEB just this AM by Sandy gives some interesting sounding sources on the subject of migration from RI & New England to NY State. Have you seen it? BILL -------------------------------------------------------------- Hello folks, I am very interested in this particular route and any ships that may have sailed it. We think that my husbands ancestor may have traveled this route in the late 1700's/early 1800's. Perry Peckham is suppose to have been born in Tiverton RI. We have found him in Charleston, Montgomery Co, New York in 1801 when he marries Statira Topping. So far, we have nothing in between. It seems to us that most folks migrating from RI to upstate NY probably to a sea route as opposed to a land route. Is there a good source of information on this migration that any of you highly recommend? Thanks for any insights and suggestions that you can share. Jean Q Bill Waterhouse <wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com> wrote: Arlene: There are several "Allyn's" listed, but no "Allen's." Also no vessel named Albany Trader.The book lists only the ships BUILT in Mystic between 1784-1919...which I suspect the Albany Trader wasn't as you state 'most were from RI.' Thanks for your inquiry regardless. BILL -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill, would your book have anything about a Thomas Allen from R.I? Some of the ships he captained were from CT. Most were from R.I. His last boat was the "Albany Trader" which ran from Narragansett Bay (Allen's Harbor) to Albany, N.Y. Thank you for your time. Arlene Clarke Haddock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Visit RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: http://www.rootsweb.com/ WorldConnect Project -- Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Providence County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riprovid/ Submit your Rhode Island Query at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/queries.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Providence County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riprovid/ Submit your Rhode Island Query at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/queries.html

Hi Jean In 1850 your Perry Peckham Age 73 is living in Bainbridge Chenango County NY and is listed as a farmer with his son Stephen Peckham age 22.Farmer. Statera Toppin Peckham his wife is 72 and Mary Age 29 (probably a daughter). Also in 1820 he is in Schoharie, Schoharie County NY and there are 7 people living in the house. 1 male under 10, 2 males 10-16 and 1 male 26-50. 1 Female under 10 and 1 Female 16-26 and 1 female 26-45. (also here in 1810) In 1830 They are in Bainbridge Chenango Co. and 7 living in house and just the change in ages (no members listed) but 1 Female is 60-70 and is no doubt the mother of Perry or Statera. Pat R

My first known Macera who immergrated to the US was Mauro Macera he was born 5 Feb 1880 in Italy He came to the US in 1905 aboard the Perugia which docked at Ellis Island. Mauro worked for the Rail road and in Mills until he settled in Johnston R.I. about 1907 he returned to Italy for his wife. They had 11 children who all tended the farm as they were growing up. I have only been able to come up with 2 of his childrens names. One is my great grandfather Vito and the second is Ralph who is the father of the mayor of Johnston. I have not been able to locate a birth or death record for Vito but Mauro and Maria we living in Johnston at the time of his birth in 1910. Mauro and Maria are buried in St. Annes Cemetery in Cranston and Vito and his wife Elsie are buried in St. Patricks in East Greenwich. Any further info on this family would be greatly appreciated. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Sorry, he is not listed. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: <MChambe486@aol.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] CT Probate Records > Thank you very much for the thoughtful and kind offer to do look ups. I am > researching WHITE, Consider in CT. He is one of my brick walls. > Marjorie in SC > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Visit and/or join our Rhode Island off topic Mail list > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rhode_Island/?yguid=86367525 > Subscribe: Rhode_Island-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >

Thank you very much for the thoughtful and kind offer to do look ups. I am researching WHITE, Consider in CT. He is one of my brick walls. Marjorie in SC

Pam The records only cover 1635-1750. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Kerzner" <pamk@cox.net> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: RE: [RIGENWEB] CT Probate Records > Would you please check for an Abiel ALLEN possible son of ?????. He raised > most of his family in CT, Hartford County and his wife is Lydia Daniels also > from Hartford. Thank you for any help. Abiel is an American Rev pensioner. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bonnie Weber [mailto:bonnie.travel@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:27 AM > To: RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RIGENWEB] CT Probate Records > > Hi all. > I recently purchased a 3 Vol. set of Probate Records 1635-1750, for > Hartford, CT, by Charles Manwaring. > > Will do look ups. > > Bonnie > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Bristol County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ribristo/ > RI Cemeteries Index http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/cemetery/ > > > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Kent County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~rikent/ > Search the RIGenWeb Pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/search.html

Could someone do a lookup up for me in the Providence Probate records. I am in NY and dont have access. I have a case number. Its A17115. It is in regards to a dependent child case named Sweet. Thank you. Tracy

Lisa, I can only find links that say you must be student or faculty to look at these sites at Harvard Law School Library. Am I looking in the wrong place? Elaine Quoting Lisa Lepore <llepore@comcast.net>: > Donna - > > I may have found something on this - in the > Wood Detective Agency. Records, 1865-1945 : Finding Aid. > at the website of the Harvard Law School Library > > Scroll down till you get to this section - > > Series 4: Clippings of the Cases of James Rodney Wood Jr. > > 5-19 Brown, Annie D. Account of Her Murder by William Brown, 1918. > Written by Paul Whelton. > > "True Detective Stories from the New England Police Annals" which were > presented daily > by the Boston Evening American and the Boston Sunday Advertiser. > > The names could be a coincidence, then again...... > > You may be able to find the newspaper articles elsewhere. > > Hope this is the one, > Lisa > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna Potter" <uriramfan@cox.net> > To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 12:31 PM > Subject: [RIGENWEB] Murder in South County in early 1800s committed by > Wm C Brown > > >> In doing some research on the Peleg Brown family, I ran across an > item in an old newspaper, the Rhode Island American of January 28, > 1814. They had published a letter written by someone to a family > member stationed at Fort Trumbull. The letter went into detail about > how on the 27th of "December last" William C. Brown, son of Peleg > Brown, had murdered a 4-5 year old child who lived with him. He killed > the child because she was having trouble learning her alphabet. There > was a description of a horrific crime, and then the writer added that > the whole scene was witnessed by Brown's wife and "Baker and his > wife" - none of whom did anything to stop the crime. >> >> I have been trying to find out the name of the little girl as well > as any info on a trial, jail sentence, etc. There's a big gap in the > births of children to William and his wife, Sally Kenyon, which may be > accounted for by the fact that he could have been incarcerated, but I > can find nothing else on the crime to support that. >> >> Have any of you South County history experts heard of this crime? > Any info is appreciated. >> Donna in RI >> >> >> >> ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== >> Visit RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: > http://www.rootsweb.com/ >> WorldConnect Project -- Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time >> http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ >> >> > > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Kent County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~rikent/ > Search the RIGenWeb Pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/search.html > >

Hello folks, I am very interested in this particular route and any ships that may have sailed it. We think that my husbands ancestor may have traveled this route in the late 1700's/early 1800's. Perry Peckham is suppose to have been born in Tiverton RI. We have found him in Charleston, Montgomery Co, New York in 1801 when he marries Statira Topping. So far, we have nothing in between. It seems to us that most folks migrating from RI to upstate NY probably to a sea route as opposed to a land route. Is there a good source of information on this migration that any of you highly recommend? Thanks for any insights and suggestions that you can share. Jean Q Bill Waterhouse <wm.r.waterhouse@mailstation.com> wrote: Arlene: There are several "Allyn's" listed, but no "Allen's." Also no vessel named Albany Trader.The book lists only the ships BUILT in Mystic between 1784-1919...which I suspect the Albany Trader wasn't as you state 'most were from RI.' Thanks for your inquiry regardless. BILL -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill, would your book have anything about a Thomas Allen from R.I? Some of the ships he captained were from CT. Most were from R.I. His last boat was the "Albany Trader" which ran from Narragansett Bay (Allen's Harbor) to Albany, N.Y. Thank you for your time. Arlene Clarke Haddock __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Visit RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative: http://www.rootsweb.com/ WorldConnect Project -- Connecting the World One GEDCOM at a Time http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Providence County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~riprovid/ Submit your Rhode Island Query at http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/queries.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.