Thanks Lisa, I will check that site out. All information that gets me to the material that is needed is very welcomed. Again Thank You, Beatrice

Latest from my daughter. She ends with a good piece of advice..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Jo To: elainedecker Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [RIGENWEB] using shaving cream on tombstones You have sent this discussion to me before and the same thing happened. I guess that was my bad. I mis-understood the wording in his email (You can read about the "ban DHMO" hoax here:) and did not realize the entire web site was a hoax. Sorry. As I said before, I do recommend that you go to the EPA's website and look things up for yourself (just like you used to tell me when I was a little girl).. or to NIOSH. (National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health. I am not a chemist, and that is why I deferred to his credentials in answering the question. Lastly, having only seen the most recent part of the conversation I can only comment on his attitude. It seems to me that everyone could focus more on learning from each other to reach the best solution, than just getting short with each other.

There certainly was a lot written about the use of shaving cream on gravestones but no one touched on the major reason it should not be used on gravestones; IT IS A WASTE OF GOOD SHAVING CREAM! Using a mirror to cast shadows in the carving on a gravestone is a much more effective and totally noninvasive way to read or to photograph a gravestone and best of all it saves shaving cream. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail goes everywhere you do. Get it on your phone.

I am stuck on the family called Bourget from R.I. and also Canada. I have traced the family to a Ignace Bourget born in 1851 and a Aglae Gaumont born in 1851 both born in Quebec. can some one please help me find more information on them. I am new to the real searching part of it. Susan

One must have perseverance and patience... I have Mary Keeley marriage to Patrick Conley in July 1855 from familysearch.org Marriages Recorded in Providence For The Year Ending December 31, 1856 (Vol. 1856, pp. 338 - 339) Patrick Conly of Warwick, laborer, born Ireland, son of Michael Conly, married Mary Keley, of Warwick, born Ireland, daughter of Peter Kelley, July 22, 1855, by James Gibson - end of record. from RI Archives thanks to Ken Carlson 1870 US Census Warwick, PO Phenix Mary Conolly 40 works in cotton mill Alice 14 works in cotton mill Michael 12 works in cotton mill Patrick 11 works in cotton mill Thomas Kiely 35 peddler b IE (Keely / Kelly) I have the info after her marriage - which I just found with the spelling variations! She was widowed in 1859 and left with two infants and very pregnant! No further information. Patrick and Mary are buried in St. Mary's,WW with different spellings on the headstone! What are the chances I will find Mary Kelly in Ireland - or as an emigrant? True needle in a haystack! Anyone know if there is microfilm for St. Mary's WW? I searched familysearch.org with no luck. Anyone nearby St. Mary's, WW that could look at marriage records of 1855? Would love to find witnesses to this marriage - or Mary's mothers name. TIA, Ann Ann

The Rhode Island Historical Society Library on Hope Street in Providence is excellent. They are open Wednesday and Fridays 10-5 and Thursday from 12noon to 8p. The RI State Archives on Westminster Street is anothe excellent resourse.

Ok, we all get the message. New subject? Cinda in CO -----Original Message----- From: Brock Way [mailto:brockway_32m@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 2:04 PM To: RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] using shaving cream on tombstones --- Gloria <gjs11054@cox.net> wrote: > Mr. Brock Way... > First let me say that what you think I wrote was > actually written by > Phil Albro who has a great deal more experience than > I do. I am not sure what makes you think you can read my mind. I never suggested you were the original author of the text (only the post), and since your post didn't say explicitly who the chemist with the geology minor was, it was indeterminate. > And secondly > this information came directly from The Association > for Gravestone Studies. > So that's all a bunch of hooey, this is all a hoax, > and these people don't > know what they're talking about?! That is correct. Just as is the case with DHMO, there are lots of people (some of whom even represent themselves as scientists) who actually want to ban it. It's important to realize that "these people" have no training in chemical weathering. They are simply weekend cemetery trash picker-uppers who think that act makes them experts on anything even associated with cemeteries. It is a little bit like asking the hotdog vendor about the architectural strength of beam elements at the astrodome. 'Hey...after all, I asked a guy who worked as a professional in the astrodome for 12 years...." Brock Way __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== The RI Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm RIGenWeb Archives Search http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ri/risearch.html

Mr. Brock Way... First let me say that what you think I wrote was actually written by Phil Albro who has a great deal more experience than I do. And secondly this information came directly from The Association for Gravestone Studies. So that's all a bunch of hooey, this is all a hoax, and these people don't know what they're talking about?! http://www.gravestonestudies.org/images/frame/frame_01.gif Gloria (ALBRO) Silverman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Way" <brockway_32m@yahoo.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: [RIGENWEB] using shaving cream on tombstones > Considering the effects of shaving cream on > tombstones...do you really need an explanation from > someone who has his Ph.D. in organic chemistry, and > wrote a large section in his doctoral dissertation on > the interaction of carboxylic acids (like stearic acid > and the emollients in shaving cream) and other small > organic molecules and surface solids, such as one > might find on tombstones...and who studied geology > under Dr. Michael Engel, perhaps the world's foremost > organic acid geochemist? Okay, you asked for it: > > It is a hoax. > > The "shaving cream harms tombstones" hoax is the > *same* hoax as the "ban DHMO" hoax. You can read about > the "ban DHMO" hoax here: > > http://www.dhmo.org/ > > Here is what www.snopes.com (the popular online > mythbusting site) says about the DHMO hoax (in part): > > "That said, this example does aptly demonstrate the > kind of fallacious reasoning that's thrust at us every > day under the guise of "important information": how > with a little effort, even the most innocuous of > substances can be made to sound like a dangerous > threat to human life." > > Change "human life" to "tombstones", and you have a > very concise description of the "ban shaving cream > hoax. > > Gloria made this claim: > > "When you use shaving cream, the water in the tiny > cracks doesn't completely evaporate (dry), because the > emollients from the cream prevent it (that's > what emollients are for!)." > > Unfortunately, like many claims in the world of > genealogy, it is just that, a claim. Moreover, it is a > claim in error. Samples of tombstone materials which > had been slathered in shaving cream, rinsed, and then > analyzed by HPLC and GC/MS have shown that no > emollient/acid residue remains, and therefore, it > couldn't be having any effect at the surface (it can't > do anything if it is not there). > > Gloria also wrote: > > "The small amounts of fatty acids also tend to form a > crust over the moisture in the cracks, further > preventing evaporation." > > ..which is another claim that is refuted directly by > the scientific analysis. All the surface analyses show > there is NO RESIDUE, and every shaving cream > constituent has ALREADY been certified non-residual by > the formulation chemists at EcoSafe and elsewhere. > > This hoax is perpetuated only because people believe > the claims made without doing ANY investigation into > whether the claims made are true or not. Even a > cursory investigation into the claims made will reveal > that the claims are not just false, but demonstrably > so. > > Please take a look at the "Ban DHMO" hoax site, and > then look again at the shaving cream "information" and > you will see that it is the same hoax. That is why > both have spurious links to MSDS pages, both punctuate > their material with fear-engendering terms (like acid > rain), both include spurious links to > authoritative-sounding places, etc. The ban shaving > cream hoax was built on ban DHMO template, only > substituting "tombstone" for "human life" and "shaving > cream" for "DHMO". > > Brock Way > > "Gloria" <gjs11054@cox.net> wrote: > > First, forget about shaving cream. Using it is > equivalent, in my book, > to ripping the pages out of public phone books. You > got what you > wanted, and to .... with anyone else! Will shaving > cream hurt the stone? No, > Nature will hurt the stone. The shaving cream will > just make it easier > for Nature to do the job. Do you really need a > technical explanation, > for example from a chemist who minored in geology? > O.K., you asked for > it. Have you ever seen a rock cliff without rock chip > debris at the > bottom of it? I seriously doubt it. Breaking loose > chips from the surface > of rocks happens because water gets into all the > cracks and expands or > contracts with temperature. Eventually it breaks off > chips. This happens > just as easily, only the chips are tiny, with a > gravestone. When you > use shaving cream, the water in the tiny cracks > doesn't completely > evaporate (dry), because the emollients from the cream > prevent it (that's > what emollients are for!). The small amounts of fatty > acids also ten! > d to form a crust over the moisture in the cracks, > further preventing > evaporation. So the moisture is trapped there, > dutifully expanding and > contracting (or worst of all, freezing!) and breaking > off tiny chips > until the carvings have been blurred hopelessly. Was > that a "C", "O", "Q", > or "G" ? We'll never know. Can't you rinse the cream > all off? No, > because it's in the cracks! > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > Kent County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~rikent/ > Search the RIGenWeb Pages http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/search.html >

Hi, Elaine... Re: Lastly, I don't really get the "do you really need an explanation from > someone who has his Ph.D. in organic chemistry," attitude. Of course this > is the kind of person you need to talk to. Why would he ask such a > question? I don't get it either! My daughter is starting her Ph.D in Environmental Policy, and believe me... anything she tells me, I listen and try to change my past habits. When will people realize what we've done to our wonderful world and everything in it? Kay Daytona Beach, FL

I do know that we use all kinds of things that are not environmentally friendly but because they are advertised, OK'd by the government and they make our lives easier we fall into using the mounting list of things hurting the environment. I asked my daughter who is a great environmentalist, has her degree in it, serves on many committes and earns her living by trying to save the environment what she thinks and here is her answer: Not knowing the chemistry involved, I would say that if this person has the credentials that he indicates, then he would be qualified to answer the question. I don't know the answer to the damage to tombstone question but: I went to the dhmo website and found this in one of the environmental impact pages: While most are unavoidable given current technology, there can be little doubt that the presence of DHMO in each significantly increases the negative impact to the environment. http://www.dhmo.org/environment.html Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and benzene), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful. If the "ban DHMO" thing was a hoax I think it was pretty warranted to want to get rid of it. I would look at the ingredients on the back of a shaving cream can and then research them on the EPA website, to see if it is something you want to spray around for other reasons of toxicity. DHMO is an ingredient in shaving creams http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html#HEARD While it might not be present in amounts to do damage, the fact is that somewhere it is being produced, shipped, stored, used and disposed of in larger quantities. Why would we need to make something so dangerous when plain old soap (which can also have chemical issues) works just as well. Lastly, I don't really get the "do you really need an explanation from someone who has his Ph.D. in organic chemistry," attitude. Of course this is the kind of person you need to talk to. Why would he ask such a question? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brock Way" <brockway_32m@yahoo.com> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:39 AM Subject: [RIGENWEB] using shaving cream on tombstones

You could try the Greenville Public Library in Smithfield, which houses the collection of the Rhode Island Genealogical Society ( <http://www.yourlibrary.ws/> www.yourlibrary.ws). Also, depending on what you're looking for, there's the Providence Public Library (www.provlib.org/), Brown University library (www.brown.edu/Facilities/University_Library/), and the University of Rhode Island library (http://helin.uri.edu/). These can be searched online, and you can come armed with the call numbers if you find anything of interest. The Helin database on the URI site allows you to search several college libraries in Rhode Island. I have found things at the Providence library and the Brown libraries in the past. I have not been to the Greenville Public Library or the URI library (maybe next trip!). If you try those, I'd love to know how it turned out for you. Lorna in Maine

--- Gloria <gjs11054@cox.net> wrote: > Mr. Brock Way... > First let me say that what you think I wrote was > actually written by > Phil Albro who has a great deal more experience than > I do. I am not sure what makes you think you can read my mind. I never suggested you were the original author of the text (only the post), and since your post didn't say explicitly who the chemist with the geology minor was, it was indeterminate. > And secondly > this information came directly from The Association > for Gravestone Studies. > So that's all a bunch of hooey, this is all a hoax, > and these people don't > know what they're talking about?! That is correct. Just as is the case with DHMO, there are lots of people (some of whom even represent themselves as scientists) who actually want to ban it. It's important to realize that "these people" have no training in chemical weathering. They are simply weekend cemetery trash picker-uppers who think that act makes them experts on anything even associated with cemeteries. It is a little bit like asking the hotdog vendor about the architectural strength of beam elements at the astrodome. 'Hey...after all, I asked a guy who worked as a professional in the astrodome for 12 years...." Brock Way __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

--- elainedecker <elainedecker@frontiernet.net> wrote: > I asked my daughter who is a great > environmentalist, has > her degree in it, serves on many committes and earns > her living by trying to > save the environment what she thinks and here is her > answer: <snip> > I went to the dhmo website and found this in one of > the environmental impact > pages: While most are unavoidable given current > technology, there can be > little doubt that the presence of DHMO in each > significantly increases the > negative impact to the environment. You might consider telling your daughter that DHMO is another way to say "water". I don't know why people have such a difficult time seeing that the ban DHMO site is a hoax even AFTER I pointed out that it was a hoax. As great an environmentalist as your daughter is, I suspect she would be even better if she knew that DHMO is water, particularly if she is going to make comment on it. > Lastly, I don't really get the "do you really need > an explanation from > someone who has his Ph.D. in organic chemistry," > attitude. That's curious, where was this comment from you when Gloria wrote "Do you really need a technical explanation, for example from a chemist who minored in geology?" I guess when the anti-shaving cream people say it, it is 'authority' and when non-anti-shaving cream people say it, it is "attitude". Brock Way __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Richard It might be worth a trip to the No.Kingstown Library for a visit to the South County Room. It has loads of research material on most of the local families. The Lawrence and Schunky collections are also great sources of material. You can contact Susan Berman at susanbn@lori.state.ri.us ,who is the Librarian in charge of the So.Co. Room,prior to going on your trip and perhaps she can give you an idea of what is available on your Bakers. Charlie C Charlie Carpenter Washington County,R.I. Johnny cakes are spoiled by Maple syrup ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICHARD BAKER" <jodiba@worldnet.att.net> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 1:16 AM Subject: [RIGENWEB] Visiting RI - Need Help Please >I will be taking a 2 day side-trip to RI for genealogical research probably >8-9 May. I previously visited the NHS, RIHS, RI Archives and N. Kingstown >town hall on a earlier (very fruitful) trip. My BAKER ancestry traces to >RI in the mid-1600s. My Baker cousin, Bonnie Baker Weber, and I have been >researching our common ancestor Rev. Thomas Baker (1638-1710) for quite a >few years. > > We have a lot of information about him in the years 1656 to the early > 1700s. However, as far as I know we have no reliable information from the > years 1669 to 1689. Prior to 1669, Thomas was in Newport. After 1689, he > was in N. Kingstown. > > I would greatly appreciate any help or suggestions concerning how best to > spend my time when I am there trying to find new information. My > tentative plan is to spend one day at the NHS and another day somewhere > else. > > I am aware, per Bertram Lippincott, that the NHS is closed on Mondays. > Thanks in advance for any pointers you might be able to provide. > > Richard Baker > Rancho Palos Verdes, CA > > > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== > The RI Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ri/rifiles.htm > RIGenWeb Archives Search http://www.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/ri/risearch.html > >

Considering the effects of shaving cream on tombstones...do you really need an explanation from someone who has his Ph.D. in organic chemistry, and wrote a large section in his doctoral dissertation on the interaction of carboxylic acids (like stearic acid and the emollients in shaving cream) and other small organic molecules and surface solids, such as one might find on tombstones...and who studied geology under Dr. Michael Engel, perhaps the world's foremost organic acid geochemist? Okay, you asked for it: It is a hoax. The "shaving cream harms tombstones" hoax is the *same* hoax as the "ban DHMO" hoax. You can read about the "ban DHMO" hoax here: http://www.dhmo.org/ Here is what www.snopes.com (the popular online mythbusting site) says about the DHMO hoax (in part): "That said, this example does aptly demonstrate the kind of fallacious reasoning that's thrust at us every day under the guise of "important information": how with a little effort, even the most innocuous of substances can be made to sound like a dangerous threat to human life." Change "human life" to "tombstones", and you have a very concise description of the "ban shaving cream hoax. Gloria made this claim: "When you use shaving cream, the water in the tiny cracks doesn't completely evaporate (dry), because the emollients from the cream prevent it (that's what emollients are for!)." Unfortunately, like many claims in the world of genealogy, it is just that, a claim. Moreover, it is a claim in error. Samples of tombstone materials which had been slathered in shaving cream, rinsed, and then analyzed by HPLC and GC/MS have shown that no emollient/acid residue remains, and therefore, it couldn't be having any effect at the surface (it can't do anything if it is not there). Gloria also wrote: "The small amounts of fatty acids also tend to form a crust over the moisture in the cracks, further preventing evaporation." ...which is another claim that is refuted directly by the scientific analysis. All the surface analyses show there is NO RESIDUE, and every shaving cream constituent has ALREADY been certified non-residual by the formulation chemists at EcoSafe and elsewhere. This hoax is perpetuated only because people believe the claims made without doing ANY investigation into whether the claims made are true or not. Even a cursory investigation into the claims made will reveal that the claims are not just false, but demonstrably so. Please take a look at the "Ban DHMO" hoax site, and then look again at the shaving cream "information" and you will see that it is the same hoax. That is why both have spurious links to MSDS pages, both punctuate their material with fear-engendering terms (like acid rain), both include spurious links to authoritative-sounding places, etc. The ban shaving cream hoax was built on ban DHMO template, only substituting "tombstone" for "human life" and "shaving cream" for "DHMO". Brock Way "Gloria" <gjs11054@cox.net> wrote: First, forget about shaving cream. Using it is equivalent, in my book, to ripping the pages out of public phone books. You got what you wanted, and to .... with anyone else! Will shaving cream hurt the stone? No, Nature will hurt the stone. The shaving cream will just make it easier for Nature to do the job. Do you really need a technical explanation, for example from a chemist who minored in geology? O.K., you asked for it. Have you ever seen a rock cliff without rock chip debris at the bottom of it? I seriously doubt it. Breaking loose chips from the surface of rocks happens because water gets into all the cracks and expands or contracts with temperature. Eventually it breaks off chips. This happens just as easily, only the chips are tiny, with a gravestone. When you use shaving cream, the water in the tiny cracks doesn't completely evaporate (dry), because the emollients from the cream prevent it (that's what emollients are for!). The small amounts of fatty acids also ten! d to form a crust over the moisture in the cracks, further preventing evaporation. So the moisture is trapped there, dutifully expanding and contracting (or worst of all, freezing!) and breaking off tiny chips until the carvings have been blurred hopelessly. Was that a "C", "O", "Q", or "G" ? We'll never know. Can't you rinse the cream all off? No, because it's in the cracks! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I am trying to identify which church my great grand parents were married in. They were married by Rev. Mr. Burlingame on in Foster, RI on Aug 20, 1874. Does anyone have any record of this minister? Brenda Hopkins -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/06

I will be taking a 2 day side-trip to RI for genealogical research probably 8-9 May. I previously visited the NHS, RIHS, RI Archives and N. Kingstown town hall on a earlier (very fruitful) trip. My BAKER ancestry traces to RI in the mid-1600s. My Baker cousin, Bonnie Baker Weber, and I have been researching our common ancestor Rev. Thomas Baker (1638-1710) for quite a few years. We have a lot of information about him in the years 1656 to the early 1700s. However, as far as I know we have no reliable information from the years 1669 to 1689. Prior to 1669, Thomas was in Newport. After 1689, he was in N. Kingstown. I would greatly appreciate any help or suggestions concerning how best to spend my time when I am there trying to find new information. My tentative plan is to spend one day at the NHS and another day somewhere else. I am aware, per Bertram Lippincott, that the NHS is closed on Mondays. Thanks in advance for any pointers you might be able to provide. Richard Baker Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

Thank you Lisa. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@comcast.net> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Cemetery Stone Repair Class Bob - All cemeteries are or were at one time, owned by some one or some group. The small family ones over time became abandoned and are now owned by the current land owners, or in some cases by cities or towns and are overseen by the historical societies such as in Warwick. Others are privately owned by a corporation - like Swan Point. In your case, the cemetery is owned by the Catholic Church. The church has 2 types of cemeteries - the large Diocesan cemeteries owned by the Diocese of Providence, and the smaller cemeteries owned by the individual parish they were originally attached to. As I said in my earlier message, I don't think the priest is saying you can't repair the stones, just that you can't do it yourself. You have to follow the appropriate procedure - which probably means hiring a monument company to do the work. You might get more information by calling a monument company and asking if they've ever done work over there, and what is involved as far as far as getting permission. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob ryan" <ryanblack@cox.net> > What if a priest claims a cemetery to be private? Is there such a thing as a > private cemetery? > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Usaf1135@aol.com> > > http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/statutes/title23/23-18/23-18-10.2.HTM > 23-18-10.2 Exemption from liability. – (a) A city, town, or public body > shall not be held civilly liable for any breach of duty resulting in injury > to the > person or damage to the property or any person who voluntarily and without > compensation, undertakes to maintain or to repair any designated historical > cemetery pursuant to § 23-18-10.1, provided that nothing in this section > shall > eliminate or limit the liability of a city, town, or public body: > (1) For acts or omissions not in good faith or which involve intentional > misconduct or a knowing violation of law; or > (2) For any malicious, willful, or wanton act. > (b) A private landowner permitting access over his or her property to a > historical cemetery for the purpose of voluntary maintenance or repair of > the > cemetery shall not be held civilly liable for any breach of duty resulting > in > injury to the person or damage to the property of those seeking to repair or > maintain the cemetery. > ==== RIGENWEB Mailing List ==== Bristol County RIGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ribristo/ RI Cemeteries Index http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/cemetery/

Thanks for the updated information, Evie. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Evie WHEELER" <eviewhee@verizon.net> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 1:54 PM Subject: [RIGENWEB] Cemetery Stone Repair Class > I guess I should have added to the notice of the class that it will be by a professional stone cutter. He is graciously volunteering his time and with the town approval he is getting us the material for cost. All we are doing is repairing, not restoration. > This Lucky Star Cemetery is the Historical Cemetery #6 in Narragansett. > Eviewhee >

Brenda - I went back to the directories to find out where I saw the medicines lisitings for Orville and found a bunch of stuff related to Patent Medicine. in 1883 Orville worked at 92 Pine, and boarded at 38 Pearl. That makes his mother Sarah L. widow of Elihu h. 138 Pearl. Elihu died October 4, 1882 A brother? Albert A Leach, jeweler, bds. 138 Pearl ***************************************** I found this listing for a business at 92 Pine Ellis B. Whitney, provisions, 92 Pine, h. 429 Friendship ****************************** It was the 1892 Providence directory that listed Orville in medicines This is in the street listing section - 58 Prairie Emery, Dr. Rem. Co. medicines Gleeson, Thomas Mrs., bds. Leach, Orville L. medicines h. Smith, Richard E. clk, bds. Soule, Wm F. brakeman, bds. the h is for house, which usually means he was the owner. 1896 Providence Directory - in the street listing section Prairie Avenue 104 Emery House, O. L. Leach, prop Emery, Dr. Remedy Co. Pat. medicines Fleming, Arthur G, engineer b. Gleeson, Thomas, Mrs. b. Gould, Mary S. Mrs. h. Hammond, L. M. stenograph'r r. Harris, Edward b. Kane, Thomas E., police b. Leach, Orville S. pat. med. McDonald, Neil J., police b. Raymond, Gideon, printer b. Sanford, Fred, repairer, b. Sanford, Howard A., clerk, b. This looks to me like this property was owned by Mary Gould, and the people who are listed as b. are paying room and board. The LM Hammond, listed as r. is probably a relative of Mary Gould, and the Patent Medicine business of Dr. Emery must have been located in this building. Here's something new - Providence and Rhode Island Register and Business Directory, 1896 Order of Evergreens (or Emorians) or Life & Longevity League Orville L. Leach, president cor. Pearl and Prairie Ave. Providence, RI Providence and Rhode Island Register and Business Directory, 1897 Order of Emorians, Orville L. Leach, Pres.102 Prairie Ave, Providence Providence and Rhode Island Register and Business Directory, 1898 Order of Emorians, Orville L. Leach, Pres.102 Prairie Ave, Providence We had the listings for 1900 which now says Headquarters, Emery House The Emorians must be followers of Dr. Emery & his patent medicine. I find him listed under patent medicines in 1892 Emery (Dr.) Remedy Company, 58 Prairie Av Also in the 1892 are 2 Emery listed as working at Butler Hospital P. F. Emery, nurse butler hospital and Sue F. Emery, housekeeper, butler hospital In 1895,1896, &1897 Dr. Emery is at 104 Prairie Av check out this page for some information on patent medicines http://www.fda.gov/cder/about/history/Gallery/galleryintro.htm this one talks about Lydia Pinkham who was around at this time also http://www.cl.utoledo.edu/canaday/quackery/quack3c.html this one is from Vanderbilt university http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/biolib/hc/nostrums/index.html they must have been caught up in the patent medicine craze of the day. There are a ton of sites on patent medicines, but so far, I haven't found anything on dr. emery. Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Hopkins" <behopkins1@earthlink.net> To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Query: Order of the Emorians > You may remember in the 60s that Hoyle Square was "revitalized", I surely > needed it, so Gansert Piano moved to Johnston then. It closed in 1973 when > the last remaining owner died. > > There seems to be a thread of healthfulness, medicine, music...maybe they > had some theory about that and started a club? I find it very interesting > that James A Bartlett was the composer of the piece, printed the work, sold > it most likely, and housed the Emorian Marching Band! Then Orville Leach was > president and he had the office at his house! They did make it sound so > large and legitimate in the sheet music, etc. I wish there were a way to > find out how many members this club had! > > Thanks, Lisa, for giving me some leads. I'll send out a letter to the > Cranston Library to see if they have anything thing. It' would be a long > drive from Oregon~!!! > Brenda Hopkins > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@comcast.net> > To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Query: Order of the Emorians > > > > Brenda - > > > > That's pretty neat! > > > > The Gansert Piano Co is still listed in Providence in > > 1960, but not in 1964. 792 Westminster St., Providence > > > > I just talked to a woman today who told me her son bought > > a house which turned out to be on part of the property their > > ancestors owned 200 years ago. He had no idea of that > > when he bought it. > > > > I'll have to have another look, but in one of the directories, > > I found a listing for Orville Leach, medicines.... so maybe > > they met each other through work or through work related > > activities - or maybe they were all musicians. > > > > I grew up in Cranston, but I never heard of the Emorians - > > probably before our time. We did go to the Auburn library, > > though. > > > > I wonder if the library would be able to help you? > > http://www.provlib.org/ > > > > You could try the ask the librarian pages at > > Providence for the Order of Emorians, Providence Lodge, > > Headquarters at Emery House. > > Pres. Maurice C. Smith, Sec. Orville L. Leach > > > > and Cranston for Emery Park - there is an Auburn > > branch of the Cranston Library - maybe they have > > some local history? > > http://cranstonlibrary.org/ > > > > Auburn Branch > > 396 Pontiac Avenue > > Cranston, RI 02910 > > (401)-781-6116 > > Hours: > > Monday - Friday, 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. > > Saturday, 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. > > > > Email Address: > > aublib@hotmail.com > > > > Lisa > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brenda Hopkins" <behopkins1@earthlink.net> > > To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Query: Order of the Emorians > > > > > > > Lisa, > > > Now that you say James A. Bartlett and Dean Street I think I may be > > related > > > to him! Amy GANSERT was a BACON, one of her sisters, I think, was > > married > > > to him! I think either this James may have had a son, Dr. Bartlett. > > I know > > > he had a daughter Olga. I'll have to look into that further... There > > were 12 > > > or 13 kids in the BACON family, and I'm currently working on > > HOPKINS...both > > > big endeavors! > > > Thanks again for doing all this leg work! > > > Brenda Hopkins > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lisa Lepore" <llepore@comcast.net> > > > To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 8:37 PM > > > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Query: Order of the Emorians > > > > > > > > > > Hi Brenda - > > > > > > > > An interesting find, so I took a look - > > > > > > > > I think it's in Cranston - > > > > > > > > The Providence city directory of 1900 listed in the section > > > > of Societies, Institutions, etc. > > > > > > > > Order of Emorians, Providence Lodge, Headquarters > > > > at Emery House. Pres. Maurice C. Smith, Sec. Orville L. Leach > > > > > > > > Also in the 1900 - Bartlett's Emorian Concert Band, 5 Dorrance > > > > and James A. Bartlett, music printers, 5 Dorrance, h. 265 Dean > > > > > > > > In the 1911 Cranston I find > > > > Orville Leach proprietor Emery Park, cor Reservoir & Auburn. > > > > Auburn [Cranston] house do > > > > > > > > He's also here in 1919-1920 Orville & Theresa > > > > Orville died January 1, 1922 according to the 1924 directory > > > > He is last listed in the 1922 directory still as proprietor of > > Emery > > > > house. > > > > > > > > I found a Theresa Leach in 1927, 1930, 1936 & 1938 in the Auburn > > > > section > > > > of Cranston -440 Auburn Ave - listed as widow of Orville. > > > > Last listing was in 1943, so she died or moved away between > > > > 1943 and 1948 [the next directory I can look at] > > > > > > > > The 1930 says 1440 Auburn, but the others all say 440. > > > > The 1927 and earlier say corner of Reservoir & Auburn, so > > > > I think 440 Auburn is Emery Park. It's not listed in the > > > > advertisements > > > > as a hotel, and there are no listings for motels, or music. > > > > > > > > Maybe someone from that part of Cranston will have an idea? > > > > > > > > [Jean - are you still awake?] > > > > > > > > Lisa > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Brenda Hopkins" <behopkins1@earthlink.net> > > > > To: <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:53 AM > > > > Subject: [RIGENWEB] Query: Order of the Emorians > > > > > > > > > > > > > Listers: > > > > > I have just begun sorting through tons of sheet music from > > Gansert > > > > > Piano, formerly of Providence & Johnston, RI. I came across an > > > > > interesting piece that is copyrighted but not dated in the > > size > > > > used in > > > > > the late 1800s to early 1900s, Published by JA Bartlett Music > > Co. > > > > of > > > > > Providence. > > > > > > > > > > The cover reads as: > > > > > "Dedicated to Orville L. Leach, The Founder of the Order of > > > > Emorians > > > > > and > > > > > owner of Emery Park > > > > > (Titled) The Emorian Cake-Walk by J A Bartlett March or > > > > Two-Step > > > > > (photo caption)View of Emery Park Where The Emorian Cake > > Walk > > > > Was First > > > > > Introduced. > > > > > Published for Band and orchestra by JA Bartlett Music Co. > > 54 N. > > > > Main > > > > > St, > > > > > Providence, RI > > > > > Copyright by JA Bartlett Music Company" > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone any information on this organization or location > > of > > > > this = > > > > > park? I'm assuming that it was/is located in RI since the = > > > > > author/publisher was in RI. I have tried the traditional > > > > Internet > > > > > search = > > > > > engines with no hit on Emorians (that apply) or Orville L. > > > > Leach. Any = > > > > > help you could provide in identifying this piece would be > > > > greatly = > > > > > appreciated. > > > > > Brenda Hopkins