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I have read this thread with a lot of interest since I have both requested and done my share of lookups over the years. Just some thoughts: 1. I know that some people have great sources but that does not mean they have the time to do lookups, especially if they earn their livings doing genealogical research. Other work many hours or have other obligations that keep them from being able to do lookups. 2. Newbies often do not know what the guidelines are for requesting lookups. If it is the first time someone is asking for a lookup, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. If you are new, go to the lookup page on RIGENWEB and read the guidelines for asking for lookups. 3. Some people simply are limited by money, mobility or other reasons from getting out to do the research in libraries and town halls. Let's not assume that everyone who's asking for a lookup is unwilling to do the work themselves. 4. If you are requesting a lookup, be reasonable in what you ask. Looking for "everyone by the name of Crandall in Westerly" is over the top. Be specific and ask for only one or two names such as "I am looking for the name of the wife of Ebenezer Pifflesnoot. They were married ca. 1760 in Hopkinton." 5. When people offer lookups or when you are using the lookup pages at BWO or other sites, read the informaton about the source before you dive in. I have often had people ask for a lookup for someone born in 1922 from a source that goes to 1850, for example. 6. Thank the person who did the lookup even if they were not successful. 7. Share. If you ask for lots of lookups, offer whatever you have back to others. You might be surprised at how what you have, no matter how modest, might help someone else. 8. Don't confuse posts such as 'can someone point me in the right direction for sources for the Puddleducks in Richmond?" with lookups. usually these folks are trying to do their own research but need a bit of help knowing the difference in doing research in New England versus other areas, or in finding reliable sources. 9. If someone is being inundated by requests and you have the resource yourself, offer to help. 10. Remember that because someone names a source in a post does not mean they actually own that source. 11. Let's recognize the people who offer their transcriptions and sources freely. Beth, Claire and others have been very generous with their time and we all owe them, big time! 12. Remember that people have to pay for subscriptions to NEHGS, ancestry.com and others. The lookup may be free for you, but it is not free for the person who subscribes to the service. This board is by far the most helpful of any to which I am subscribed. It's all about giving and taking. If someone helped you, please "pay it forward" and try to help someone else out there. Donna in RI

OK folks it looks like this discussion may be getting out of hand, I suggest it be dropped As far as lookups go if you will go to the following site you will find lookup volunteers for all of Rhode Island along with some of their books http://www.rootsweb.com/~rigenweb/lookups.html There are a few lookup volunteers who belong to this mail list who usually offer to lookup something when it is requested There is no reason to post some of the remarks that have been seen here recently about lookups, especially the one about "Many of the replies will be from people who have spent only a "few years attempting to research", do not forget you were once new to genealogy yourself there are lots of "newbies" who belong to this mail list who resents remarks like that, me for one, I only have about 12 years in it, I hope that remark does not scare off the newbies or keep them from asking questions, one purpose of this list is to help each other Some people, such as Jane, with lots of knowledge about sources have such a busy schedule that they do not have time for doing lookups Arlan Maguire... ********************************************************************* Administrator: RIGENWEB Mail List Email: [email protected] ********************************************************************* County Coordinator: Kent County Rhode Island http://www.rootsweb.com/~rikent/ Washington County Rhode Island http://www.rootsweb.com/~riwashin/ **********************************************************************

In a message dated 7/15/2007 9:44:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Many of the replies will be from people who have spent only a "few years attempting to research" and absolutely "nil" time in a Genealogical Library or a Historical Society making any effort to write "Snail Mail" or any time assuming effort to obtain documented iinformation.. Oh, I think that is a bogus statement. Personally, I've been researching my RI families for 17 years. All I did was ask was if she was willing to give me a little help. Since beginning my research I have become disabled and almost completely housebound. Because of my disabilities I can no longer scan film or books. So my research is limited to the Internet and the nice people on the list. I am sorry that my request has created such a stir. Linda ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

POST OFFICES IN RHODE ISLAND, 1914 (part 4, Providence) Name Town County Providence, Providence, Providence stations: Edgewood Station, Broad St. East Side, 195 Angell St. Elmwood, Elmwood Ave., between Potter's Ave. and Public St. North - 119 Charles St. Olneyville substations: No. 1, The Shepard Company No. 2, 790 North Main St. No. 3, 99 Spruce St. No. 4, Public and Plain Sts. No. 5, 254 Friendship St. No. 6, 383 Admiral St. No. 7, 514 Broad St. No. 8, 18 Olneyville Square No. 9, Dean and Broadway No. 10, 328 Atwells Ave. No. 11, 550 Charles St. No. 12, 97 Governor St. No. 13, 129 Putnam St. No. 14, Smith and Orms Sts. No. 15, 3 1/2 Greene St. No. 16, 215 Academy Ave. No. 17, 145 Regent Ave. No. 18, 277 Plainfield St. No. 19, 87 Vandewater St. No. 20, 1349 Westminster St. No. 21, Eddy St. and Thurber Ave. No. 22, Broad St. and Congress Ave. No. 23, 910 Manton Ave. No. 24, 49 Camp St. No. 25, 209 Westminster St. continued in part 5.

I know, Pat ... it's just that old habits die hard. My instincts are to try to teach people how to do things for themselves, but that assumes that they want to! Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] look ups Reply > Hi Jane > > I have found the best solution to this type of request is NOT TO MENTION > you > have the source or information available. From there on read the various > Queries and answer only the ones that you wish to help. > > Everyone likes to help, but one does not want to be over whelmed by a > hundred > responds. Never state that you are willing to help the "entire" List. > Many > of the replies will be from people who have spent only a "few years > attempting > to research" and absolutely "nil" time in a Genealogical Library or a > Historical Society making any effort to write "Snail Mail" or any time > assuming > effort to obtain documented iinformation.. > > Just cool the approach > > Pat R > > . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I find a portion of your message a little offensive and I'm sure that it is not very encouraging to newbies. I'm glad that there have been many people on this list who were willing to help me and still do, even though most of my research has been on the internet. I thought that Jane memtioning a source that people could use was helpful and her explaination of why she didn't do lookups in cd's sufficient. Don Taylor [email protected] wrote: Hi Jane I have found the best solution to this type of request is NOT TO MENTION you have the source or information available. From there on read the various Queries and answer only the ones that you wish to help. Everyone likes to help, but one does not want to be over whelmed by a hundred responds. Never state that you are willing to help the "entire" List. Many of the replies will be from people who have spent only a "few years attempting to research" and absolutely "nil" time in a Genealogical Library or a Historical Society making any effort to write "Snail Mail" or any time assuming effort to obtain documented iinformation.. Just cool the approach Pat R . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.

Hi http://home.att.net/~Local_History/VT_History.htm#Menu VTGENWEB Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] look ups > Well Jane, > That is understandable, but can you tell me how to order the CDs? > > Linda > > BTW, were you the one who told me that NEWMAN HERRING died in 1784? > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jane I have found the best solution to this type of request is NOT TO MENTION you have the source or information available. From there on read the various Queries and answer only the ones that you wish to help. Everyone likes to help, but one does not want to be over whelmed by a hundred responds. Never state that you are willing to help the "entire" List. Many of the replies will be from people who have spent only a "few years attempting to research" and absolutely "nil" time in a Genealogical Library or a Historical Society making any effort to write "Snail Mail" or any time assuming effort to obtain documented iinformation.. Just cool the approach Pat R .

Oh, I guess I won't hold it against you. I ordered the CDs. I'd love to find out who sent me that info about NEWMAN. Thanks, Linda ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Thank you, Jean. But I'm an old folk now too, just don't have sense enough to know when to quit! Jane

I don't know. I know I did discuss Newman Herring with somebody a long time ago. I can't possibly remember everything I've told everybody, right or wrong, and I hope you won't hold that against me! Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] look ups > Well Jane, > That is understandable, but can you tell me how to order the CDs? > > Linda > > BTW, were you the one who told me that NEWMAN HERRING died in 1784? > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Very well expressed, Bill. You're right on the title for Beaman, and I agree with you that the compiled lineages are full of errors. I use his will abstracts, and that's about it. Even those have to be checked against the originals. But he attempted to do SO much! That's been the story right through RI research. It looks small, so many, from Austin on down, have tried to cover the whole colony. Sometimes it works, sometimes not ... Thanks for correcting me. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wright" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:55 PM Subject: [RIGENWEB] follow up > Jane, > > Great description of the Arnold and Beaman books. I would like to make a > minor correction and a warning with respect to the Beaman books. My > copies of the "red" books by Beaman have the title, "Rhode Island Vital > Records, New Series." I have not seen the CDs, so they may have been > relabeled. > > The warning is that some of the genealogies and lines of descent > published are erroneous or discredited accounts. The one I remember > off-hand (I am traveling) is the Gardiner ancestry. When Dr. Beaman > published it, I wrote him and asked for the basis of his parentage of > George Gardiner, the immigrant. Of course, that was useless because he > never responded to correspondence. Dr. Beaman re-published the account > of Miller and Stanton that relied on a tradition first published 200 > years after the fact. G. Andrews Moriarty published a contrary viewpoint > and more believable year of birth for George ca 1615 rather than the > 1599 (OS) baptismal record for a George that Miller and Stanton used. > > George's common-law or Quaker marrage to Herodias (Hick)s Long occurred > ca 1643-45. George's children's estimated births occurred 1644-1675. If > George was the baby baptized in 1599, then he was 75 when his youngest > son was born. > > The first proven record for George is in 1638 when he was admitted an > inhabitant of the island of Aquidneck. > > Moriarty said there is nothing except the similarity of names to tie > George Gardiner in RI with the George Gardiner in England. > > George's eldest son, Benoni testified in 1727 that he was ninety years > or older. This is the basis for Morarty and Stanton estmating Benoni's > birth as 1636. If Benoni's statement were correct, then he was probably > born in England and George was married prior to his marriage to > Herodias. But Benoni's children were born in the 1670s and later. This > fits better with a birth later than 1636. > > Everyone that has compiled a genealogy knows the embarrassment of > errors. Even the best of genealogies have errors. We owe a tremendous > debt of gratitude to both Arnold and Beaman for their work. I refer to > their books constantly when doing RI research. > > Bill Wright > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well Jane, That is understandable, but can you tell me how to order the CDs? Linda BTW, were you the one who told me that NEWMAN HERRING died in 1784? ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Bessie, Did you get the obituary that I sent you? Gloria

YES,THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!!!!! BESSIE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria Silverman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: [RIGENWEB] Bessie > Bessie, > Did you get the obituary that I sent you? > Gloria > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, A couple of people have asked me to do lookups on the Beaman disk. I feel really mean, but I just can't do it. I don't like to use that disk at any time for anything - prefer the books even if there isn't a decent index. There's just too much that I have to do, and not enough time to do the things I want to do, and while I'd like to help, I just have to draw the line somewhere and I'm doing it at looking up anything on disks. Apologetically, Jane

Jane, Great description of the Arnold and Beaman books. I would like to make a minor correction and a warning with respect to the Beaman books. My copies of the "red" books by Beaman have the title, "Rhode Island Vital Records, New Series." I have not seen the CDs, so they may have been relabeled. The warning is that some of the genealogies and lines of descent published are erroneous or discredited accounts. The one I remember off-hand (I am traveling) is the Gardiner ancestry. When Dr. Beaman published it, I wrote him and asked for the basis of his parentage of George Gardiner, the immigrant. Of course, that was useless because he never responded to correspondence. Dr. Beaman re-published the account of Miller and Stanton that relied on a tradition first published 200 years after the fact. G. Andrews Moriarty published a contrary viewpoint and more believable year of birth for George ca 1615 rather than the 1599 (OS) baptismal record for a George that Miller and Stanton used. George's common-law or Quaker marrage to Herodias (Hick)s Long occurred ca 1643-45. George's children's estimated births occurred 1644-1675. If George was the baby baptized in 1599, then he was 75 when his youngest son was born. The first proven record for George is in 1638 when he was admitted an inhabitant of the island of Aquidneck. Moriarty said there is nothing except the similarity of names to tie George Gardiner in RI with the George Gardiner in England. George's eldest son, Benoni testified in 1727 that he was ninety years or older. This is the basis for Morarty and Stanton estmating Benoni's birth as 1636. If Benoni's statement were correct, then he was probably born in England and George was married prior to his marriage to Herodias. But Benoni's children were born in the 1670s and later. This fits better with a birth later than 1636. Everyone that has compiled a genealogy knows the embarrassment of errors. Even the best of genealogies have errors. We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to both Arnold and Beaman for their work. I refer to their books constantly when doing RI research. Bill Wright

Can someone tell me where I would go to on line to order the CD's? Linda ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Coventry is in Kent Co. Records before 1741 would be in Warwick. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bessie Turley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: [RIGENWEB] QUESTION? > HELLO, > CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT COUNTY CONVENTRY IS IN? > > > THANK YOU > BESSIE > TENNESSEE > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message