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If you use the LDS, many, many Providence Probate records have been microfilmed by them and are available to use.. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Select PLACE SEARCH Type in Location : Providence part of :Rhode Island. At next page, click: RHode Island, Providence, Providence You'll have to pour through a little to find the year(s) you're looking for. Loree ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: [RIGENWEB] Probate Records Providence RI. Can anyone tell me where I should look to locate a Probate record from Providence RI. Thanks, Linda ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/946 - Release Date: 8/10/2007 3:50 PM

Marriage record from J.N. Arnold's EI VR's 1831 BROWN Clark and Phila Gardiner, pub. by Rev. Dr. Crocker, m. Aug. 11, 1831. Marriage Providence ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Date: Saturday, August 11, 2007 4:46 am Subject: [RIGENWEB] Moses Frances Brown, married Sarah E. Gardiner/Gardner November 25, 1867 To: [email protected] > Moses Frances Brown, born about 1833 in Rhode Island married > Sarah E. > Gardiner/Gardner on November 25, 1867 in Providence, Rhode > Island. Moses' parents > were Clark M. Brown and Fidelia (_______). Sarah E. > Gardiner/Gardner was > born about 1835 possibly in Providence, RI and Sarah's parent's > are not yet > known. > > The following children were born to this couple: > > Sarah E. Brown, born December 23, 1860 in Providence > Howard Durant Brown born February 26, 1869 in Providence > Edgar C. Brown, born (unknown date), died August 1, 1860 > > Thanks for reading this, I'm looking for more information on > this family. > > Nancy-Jo Nunez > A Genealogy Enthusiast > ...Member of Rhode Island Genealogy Society, New England > Genealogical & > Historical Society, Rhode Island Historical Society, Santa > Clara California > Genealogical Society. > > > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the > all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIGENWEB- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Hi! I assume the RI Archives Division of the RI Secretary of State's Office and Probate Court at City Hall in Providence are your best bets.Search for them on the Internet. Relatively yours, Scott --- [email protected] wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I should look to > locate a Probate record from > Providence RI. > > Thanks, > Linda > > > > ************************************** Get a > sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > Scott Bill Hirst 20 Maple Court Ashaway,RI 02804-1300 USA (401)377-4643 Note:Telephone if you need quick reply.

There is an index to Providence Probate online through NEHGS for members. If a case number is found, then you must request a copy from Providence City Clerk or Rhode Island Hiatorical Society. Rhode Island is different in that the probate records are held by the City or Town rather than the county court system. Who are you looking for? I could check to see if a record is in the index and then you could call or write for a copy. Don Taylor [email protected] wrote: Can anyone tell me where I should look to locate a Probate record from Providence RI. Thanks, Linda ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

Moses Frances Brown, born about 1833 in Rhode Island married Sarah E. Gardiner/Gardner on November 25, 1867 in Providence, Rhode Island. Moses' parents were Clark M. Brown and Fidelia (_______). Sarah E. Gardiner/Gardner was born about 1835 possibly in Providence, RI and Sarah's parent's are not yet known. The following children were born to this couple: Sarah E. Brown, born December 23, 1860 in Providence Howard Durant Brown born February 26, 1869 in Providence Edgar C. Brown, born (unknown date), died August 1, 1860 Thanks for reading this, I'm looking for more information on this family. Nancy-Jo Nunez A Genealogy Enthusiast ...Member of Rhode Island Genealogy Society, New England Genealogical & Historical Society, Rhode Island Historical Society, Santa Clara California Genealogical Society. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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Randy, I have a copy of a reprint 2001 that I got from Barnes & Noble for 14.95 and checking there today I find it is now 16.95. It is now titled Massasoit Of The Wampanoags by Alvin G Weeks and the cover says As Published in 1920. Inside says Privately Printed 1920 and has the same 270 pages. I got this book as I'm very interested in Massasoit and the Wampanoags as I have traced my father's family back to Massasoit. I would love to have any information you have on Massasoit, Wamsutta, Weetamo and their daughter Laughing Water. She married William Austin the son of William Austin, famous scout. Thanks, Bev Randy Weeks writes: >>> >>>> The name of the book is " MASSASOIT" written by Alvin G. Weeks that was >>>> privately printed in 1920. The color of the book is a redish brown or >>>> rust >>>> colored and measures 5 1/4" wide X 7 5/8" high and 3/4" in thickness. >>>> Total >>>> pages ...270. The first information states; This volume is presented to >>>> .............................. by THE MASSASOIT MEMORIAL ASSOCIATION >>>> in >>>> token of its appreciation of a contribution to the fund for the >>>> erection >>>> at >>>> Plymouth, Massachusetts, of a memorial to Massasoit. Boston, Mass., >>>> 1919 >>>> and signed by Alvin G. Weeks ..president and Alexander >>>> Gilmore....clerk. >>>> The >>>> book was printed by...The Plimpton Press.....Norwood, Mass., U.S.A. >>>> The introductory of Massasoit is 17 pages. Chapter II ...Indian >>>> Character >>>> pages 18-44. Chapter III....The Algonquins..page 45-67. Chapter >>>> IV....The >>>> Wampanoags...pgs. 68-90. Chapter V....Massasoit..pgs. 91-128. Chapter >>>> VI...Massasoit's Family..pgs 129-145. Chapter VII..Samoset, Squanto and >>>> Hobamock...pgs. 146-159. Chapter VIII..The Narragansetts...pgs. >>>> 160-177. >>>> Chapter IX..Miantonomo...pgs. 178-193. Chapter X..The Pequots, >>>> Mohicans, >>>> and >>>> other Western Tribes...pgs. 194-233. Chapter XI.. King Philip and his >>>> Captains...pgs. 234-270. >>>> >>>> Although Alvin was not an Indian, to my knowledge, hewas reffered to as >>>> "Past great sachem of the improved order of Red Men of Massachusetts >>>> and >>>> President of the Massasoit Memorial Association. >>>> >>>> The book is interesting and does include a few stories of Roger >>>> Williams. >>>> >>>> I hope you can locate one. Let me know if you find one. The one I have >>>> has >>>> been in my family since it was printed. >>>> >>>> Good Luck............Randy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hi Brenda, thanks for writing.? Let me look at the pamphlet and get back to you ok?? The name isn't familiar, although the Hopkins name is familiar to me. Nancy-Jo Nunez A genealogy enthusiast Member of NEHGs, RIHS, CHS -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 9:36 am Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Minority Military Service - Rhode Island 1775 - 1783 Nancy-Jo, I would appreciate reference source to verify military service of Jonah HOPKINS. Our family lore states he was a "minute man in the American Revolution" but I have no documentation. Thank you for your kind offer of a look up service. Best Regards, Brenda Hopkins Clackamas, OR -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Aug 9, 2007 9:27 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: [RIGENWEB] Minority Military Service - Rhode Island 1775 - 1783 > >Hello everyone, this information came to me in a pamplet I sent away for to >the Providence Public Library. The librarian sent me the pamplet titled, >Minority Minilary Service - Rhode Island 1775 - 1783. In writing to the >library, I was looking for a listing of who actually served, not the 1777 Military >Census of Rhode Island. My interest was in gaining pension numbers to send >away for files. > >The National Society of Daughters of the American Revolution appear to be >the ones who may have put this together in 1988, there may be copies at the >Rhode Island Historical Society but I'm not sure. > >Anyway, since I'm unsure of reproducing the list here, would anyone want a >lookup of this pamphlet? > >Here are the abbreivations used in the listing, > >1777 Chamberlain, Mildred Mosher, trans. The Rhode Island 1777 Military >Census, Rhode Island Geneallogical Socciey, Genealogical Publishing Company, >Baltimore, 1985 > >NARS36 Newman, Debra L. comp. List of Black Servicement Compiled from the >War Department Collection of Revolutionary War Records. Special List No. 36, >National Archives and Records Service, General Services, Admnistration, >Washington, DC, 1974 > >BLWt Bounty Land Warrant, above publication. > >RIHT-10 Rider, Sidney S., An Historical Inquiry Concerning the Attempt to >Raise a Regiment of Slaves by Rhode Island During the War of the Revolution. >Providence, 1880. Abstract, Rhode Island Historical Society Tract No. 10, >NSDAR Library. > >'76 Cowell, Benjamin, Spirit of '76 in Rhode Island, A.J. Wright, printer, >Boston 1850. Index, Arnold, James N., Vital Reocrds of Rhode Island >1636-1850, Vol. XIII pp 92-298. > >MSS Massachusetts Soldiers & Sailors of the Revolutionary War, Vols. >I-XVII, Wright & Potter Printing Company, Boston, 1896-1908. > >RIA Rhode Island Index of Revolutionary War Service i the Rhode Island >State Archives. > >LG Greene, Lorenzo, Some Observations on the Black Regiment of Rhode Island >i nthe American Revolution. The Journal of Negro History, Vol. XXXVII, No. >2, Washington, DC 1952. > >If this is not protected under copyright, perhaps I can post the names, but >if anyone would like a lookup, please keep the email with abbreviations >above. > >Just offering, > >Nancy-Jo Nunez >A Genealogy Enthusiast >...Member of Rhode Island Genealogy Society, New England Genealogical & >Historical Society, Rhode Island Historical Society, Santa Clara California >Genealogical Society. > > > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

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Boy are you right BOB...........great comment. I wish more people would carry your comment in their pocket, and continually read it. Peace and Friends and helping others is a fantastic feeling not only in your brain, but in your gut,..... and your body, much of the time, feels like you are walking on air. In todays world, I would just like to see the bad, and non-careing decrease. Love It............Randy From: "robert cole" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy >I am a Community Grandfather in a Native American community at Indian Plaza > Charlamont MA. And Grandfather says this; Let us not forget, we are all > born > equal, If we cut our wrist in brotherhood, we both bleed red, > distinguished > only by Type and DNA.There is good and bad in everything. With out the > bad, > we wouldn't know our degree of good, and vise-versa. Example: If we enter > a > lighted room we can't bring in darkness without taking out the light > source. > In life everything is in two's, light/dark, good/bad, love/hate, > black/white, up/down, can/can't, will/won't. (when I was a boy, my > Grandfather told me to turn out the lamp and jump in bed before the room > got > dark. My siblings and I tried many times. > I was taught as a young boy a warier was a Pease maker first, then a > warier. > The Europeans, (Whites as you call them.)called this great land, new > land. > It was old land, just like there land in Europe. > Walk your vision. > > Grandfather; Eagle,White Buffalo's (Spirit song from the mountain) > AKA; Bob, > Troy, NY. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > > >> There is no disagreement, what-so-ever that the white men dressed as >> Indians >> and dumpded the Tea overboard in Boston..............but that was a one >> time >> deal. When after, did the white man dress up as Indians to do other >> deads, >> that would accuse the Indians of destruction ?. Some of the tribes stood >> very helpfully behind the white men....don't think that they were all >> killers and wanted to get rid of us. The ones that fought us all the time >> were the ones that owned the land and property that the whites were >> killing >> them to take over everything. Wouldn't that be what we would do if the >> Iranians' came over here to take over America ?????? Dig very deep my >> friends....... Randy >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "elainedecker" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy >> >> >>> They weren't Indians. They were associated with the men that dressed up >>> as >>> Indians (blame it on the Indians!) and dumped the tea. >>> Regalia is sacred. It is only worn by Indians who have earned the right >>> and >>> every piece is worn in a distinct way. No one in Indian world is called >>> Sachem unless they earned that right and it takes more than joining a >>> club. >>> This organization is fantastic as to what they do for mankind but as far >>> as >>> wearing regalia and calling themselves Sachems, etc., well..... >>> I am sure some Indians belong. Assimilation. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:11 PM >>> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy >>> >>> >>>> Hi Robert; Thanks for the website listed below. There are a couple of >>>> things >>>> I don't understand, and looking through I'm a bit confused. The Initial >>>> Memorial Association was erected at Plymouth, Ma......I don't >>>> understand >>>> how >>>> Texas is the Big Site .........what went on on the East Coast >>>> considered >>>> all >>>> of New England, down to N.Y. I think Pennsylvania, at one time was >>>> part >>>> of >>>> Massachusetts as well as Connecticut........have to check my records >>>> again. >>>> >>>> Secondly, I sincerely believe that the Order of Red Men were Indians >>>> who >>>> were peacefull and wanted to help the White Man.....or, at that time, >>>> early >>>> white settlers. In the future years the Indians through intermarriage, >>>> whatever, looked as white as we, relatives of the first early settlers, >>>> are. >>>> There is no disagreement that white men were inducted into the >>>> association >>>> as Alvin G. Weeks was. One of my GGG + Grandfathers was a farmer on one >>>> of >>>> the Elizabeth Islands, here in Buzzards Bay. Indians also lived on the >>>> Islands, and that Grandfather preached and taught them many things. I'm >>>> sure >>>> he became a sachem to them. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your response...........Randy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Robert Ward" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:43 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy >>>> >>>> >>>>> Not meaning to take away from the value of the book which sounds from >>>>> the >>>>> table of contents very informative, the Improved Order of Red Men is a >>>>> men's >>>>> fraternal organization chartered by Congress during the 19th century >>>>> which >>>>> traces its origin to about 1765 when it was founded patterning itself >>>>> after >>>>> the Iroquois Confederacy. It is composed mainly of white men. It has a >>>>> website which I found at www.redmen.org. >>>>> >>>>> Robert Ward >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Randy Weeks writes: >>>>> >>>>>> The name of the book is " MASSASOIT" written by Alvin G. Weeks that >>>>>> was >>>>>> privately printed in 1920. The color of the book is a redish brown or >>>>>> rust >>>>>> colored and measures 5 1/4" wide X 7 5/8" high and 3/4" in thickness. >>>>>> Total >>>>>> pages ...270. The first information states; This volume is presented >>>>>> to >>>>>> .............................. by THE MASSASOIT MEMORIAL ASSOCIATION >>>>>> in >>>>>> token of its appreciation of a contribution to the fund for the >>>>>> erection >>>>>> at >>>>>> Plymouth, Massachusetts, of a memorial to Massasoit. Boston, Mass., >>>>>> 1919 >>>>>> and signed by Alvin G. Weeks ..president and Alexander >>>>>> Gilmore....clerk. >>>>>> The >>>>>> book was printed by...The Plimpton Press.....Norwood, Mass., U.S.A. >>>>>> The introductory of Massasoit is 17 pages. Chapter II ...Indian >>>>>> Character >>>>>> pages 18-44. Chapter III....The Algonquins..page 45-67. Chapter >>>>>> IV....The >>>>>> Wampanoags...pgs. 68-90. Chapter V....Massasoit..pgs. 91-128. >>>>>> Chapter >>>>>> VI...Massasoit's Family..pgs 129-145. Chapter VII..Samoset, Squanto >>>>>> and >>>>>> Hobamock...pgs. 146-159. Chapter VIII..The Narragansetts...pgs. >>>>>> 160-177. >>>>>> Chapter IX..Miantonomo...pgs. 178-193. Chapter X..The Pequots, >>>>>> Mohicans, >>>>>> and >>>>>> other Western Tribes...pgs. 194-233. Chapter XI.. King Philip and his >>>>>> Captains...pgs. 234-270. >>>>>> >>>>>> Although Alvin was not an Indian, to my knowledge, hewas reffered to >>>>>> as >>>>>> "Past great sachem of the improved order of Red Men of Massachusetts >>>>>> and >>>>>> President of the Massasoit Memorial Association. >>>>>> >>>>>> The book is interesting and does include a few stories of Roger >>>>>> Williams. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope you can locate one. Let me know if you find one. The one I >>>>>> have >>>>>> has >>>>>> been in my family since it was printed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good Luck............Randy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:43 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for posting this, Randy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can you give us the name of the book? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe it could be found in a library or >>>>>>> archive somewhere. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lisa >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:50 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> |I have a Privately Printed book published in 1920 and written by >>>>>>> Alvin >>>>>>> G. >>>>>>> | Weeks of Fall River, Ma. who was "Past Great Sachem of The >>>>>>> Improved >>>>>>> Order >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> | Red Men of Massachusetts and President of The Massasoit Memorial >>>>>>> | Association". >>>>>>> | I will add a few notations from the book that may interest you, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> cant >>>>>>> | do all of the 270 pages. The begining starts; >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | To The MEMORY OF MASSASOIT Great Sachem of the Wampanoag Indians, >>>>>>> | 1620-1661, who, by his friendly disposition towards the whites, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> | faithful observance of his treaty obligations to them, has earned >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> | undying gratitude of humanity, this work is respectfuly dedicated. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Henry VIII of England, in consequence of a quarrel with the Pope >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> | Cardinals concerning the dissolution of his marriage to Catherine >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> Aragon, >>>>>>> | had established the Church of England as an independandt >>>>>>> acclesiastical >>>>>>> | body; and still later John Calvin, a Frenchman, born in the year >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> Henry >>>>>>> | ascended the throne of England, promulgated the Geneva Creed. All >>>>>>> these >>>>>>> | things had set the leaven of religious liberty into a ferment >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> nearly >>>>>>> | blew the lid off the mixing pan; and creeds without number sprang >>>>>>> | up................ >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | it was this that drove Roger Williams from Salem to seek refuge >>>>>>> first >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> | Massasoit at Sowams, and later with the Narragansetts at the place >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> | devoutly named Providence; that sent Gorton from Plymouth to the >>>>>>> same >>>>>>> | Narragansett country; and John Easton and a multitude of other >>>>>>> Quakers >>>>>>> from >>>>>>> | the Massachusetts Bay colony to Rhode Island and other places. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Names mentioned......Canonicus of the Narragansetts; sachem >>>>>>> Miantonomo; >>>>>>> Miss >>>>>>> | Elizabeth B. Champlin, a direct descendant of the old Ninigret >>>>>>> tibe >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> | Indians which was so prominent in Souther, Rhode Island; >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | King Philip's war......The great blow to the permanent success of >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> | was struck by the unfortunate and general war which broke out >>>>>>> under >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> | indomitable sachem called Metacom, better known as King Philip. He >>>>>>> drew >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> | but the Christian converts and the Mohigans into this scheme. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Back in the early 16oo's Sir Ferdinando Gorges, who was at that >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> | commander of the Port of Plymout, England sent, or came to the New >>>>>>> England >>>>>>> | coast on trading expositions. At one time, on Martha's Vinyard >>>>>>> several >>>>>>> | Indians were captured and taken back to England. Capawack, >>>>>>> Coneconam, >>>>>>> Epenow >>>>>>> | and Sakaweston >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Samoset came from Monhegan which was one of the Elizabeth Islands. >>>>>>> He >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> | given English beer which the Indians reffered to as "Stron Water' >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> | "Fire Water". >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | At Kingston, R.I. during the swamp fight, the whites set fire to >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> | habitable hut or tepee and burned hundreds of women and children. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | When the Indians approached Providence in 1676, Roger Williams >>>>>>> went >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> | alone to meet them to try to disuade them from their purpose of >>>>>>> attacking >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> | town.He was 77 years of age. "Massachusetts', said he, can raise >>>>>>> thousands >>>>>>> | of men at this moment, and if you kill them the king of England >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> supply >>>>>>> | their places as fast as they fall." "Let them come" replied the >>>>>>> savages, >>>>>>> "we >>>>>>> | are ready". But as for you, Brother Williams, you are a good man. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Massasoit was born 1580-------and Died 1661. >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | Approximately September 13, 1655 Nine Chiefs went to Plymouth to >>>>>>> arrange >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> | modus vivendi >>>>>>> | OHQUAMEHUD ..........Wampanooag >>>>>>> | OBBITINUA ..........Obbatinewat, sachem of the Massachusetts and >>>>>>> subject >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> | Massasoit >>>>>>> | NATTAWAHUNT ....probably Natawanute or Attawanhut of Connecticut >>>>>>> | CAUNBITANT....Sachem of Pocaset >>>>>>> | CHICATAUBUT ...of the Massachusetts >>>>>>> | QUADENQUINA ...Massasoit's younger brother >>>>>>> | HUTTAMOIDEN.....?? >>>>>>> | APPANOW........aSPINETOF >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | WANTED TO GIVE YOU MOR E BUT [SLEEPPY iLL JUST THROEWN IN >>>>>>> SOME >>>>>>> | NAME,wILLETTS; wAMSUTTA;nARRAGABSETTS;SENGLISS"wAMSYYYA AA >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | s][SORRY, GETTIMG TIRED....HOPE i WIONDER IF THIS BOOK IS LOCTED >>>>>>> IN >>>>>>> | RHODE ISLAND >>>>>>> | Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:33 PMEOPLE WILL FIINF IT TO >>>>>>> READ. >>>>>>> | Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | >I think some of the Ponkapoag become *Praying Indians* >>>>>>> | > along with some of the Native people from Natick, MA. >>>>>>> | > >>>>>>> | > Search for John Eliot, Praying Indians, Deer Island, i >>>>>>> | > found a lot of information on this a couple of years ago. >>>>>>> | > cHOW.....- >>>>>>> | >>>>>>> | rRANSDY WEEKS >>>>>>> | > Also, Ponkapoag Tribe has a website >>>>>>> | > http://www.canton.org/native/index.htm >>>>>>> | > with historical information - looks good. >>>>>>> | > >>>>>>> | > Lisa >>>>>>> | > [email protected] >>>>>>> | > >>>>>>> | > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> | > From: "Donald Taylor" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> | > To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> | > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:10 AM >>>>>>> | > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>>>>> | > >>>>>>> | > >>>>>>> | > | Lisa, >>>>>>> | > | Do you have this book or did you access it online? I am >>>>>>> wondering >>>>>>> | > about if there is any mention of the Ponkapaugs of >>>>>>> | > Dorchester/Milton/Canton, >>>>>>> | > Mass. >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | Don T. >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> | > | Google search shows Native American, >>>>>>> | > | Niantic Tribe. >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | Phillip Occuish, b. 1716, converted to Christianity >>>>>>> | > | in 1740, became a Baptist minister, some of his descendants >>>>>>> | > | moved to Brothertown, NY >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | Maybe you found his wife's grave among others- >>>>>>> | > | Sarah - died 1787 >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | found in >>>>>>> | > | Samson Occum and the >>>>>>> | > | Christian Indians of New England >>>>>>> | > | W. DeLoss Love, PhD >>>>>>> | > | 1899 >>>>>>> | > | Pilgrim Press >>>>>>> | > | >>>>>>> | > | Lisa >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am a Community Grandfather in a Native American community at Indian Plaza Charlamont MA. And Grandfather says this; Let us not forget, we are all born equal, If we cut our wrist in brotherhood, we both bleed red, distinguished only by Type and DNA.There is good and bad in everything. With out the bad, we wouldn't know our degree of good, and vise-versa. Example: If we enter a lighted room we can't bring in darkness without taking out the light source. In life everything is in two's, light/dark, good/bad, love/hate, black/white, up/down, can/can't, will/won't. (when I was a boy, my Grandfather told me to turn out the lamp and jump in bed before the room got dark. My siblings and I tried many times. I was taught as a young boy a warier was a Pease maker first, then a warier. The Europeans, (Whites as you call them.)called this great land, new land. It was old land, just like there land in Europe. Walk your vision. Grandfather; Eagle,White Buffalo's (Spirit song from the mountain) AKA; Bob, Troy, NY. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > There is no disagreement, what-so-ever that the white men dressed as > Indians > and dumpded the Tea overboard in Boston..............but that was a one > time > deal. When after, did the white man dress up as Indians to do other deads, > that would accuse the Indians of destruction ?. Some of the tribes stood > very helpfully behind the white men....don't think that they were all > killers and wanted to get rid of us. The ones that fought us all the time > were the ones that owned the land and property that the whites were > killing > them to take over everything. Wouldn't that be what we would do if the > Iranians' came over here to take over America ?????? Dig very deep my > friends....... Randy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "elainedecker" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > > >> They weren't Indians. They were associated with the men that dressed up >> as >> Indians (blame it on the Indians!) and dumped the tea. >> Regalia is sacred. It is only worn by Indians who have earned the right >> and >> every piece is worn in a distinct way. No one in Indian world is called >> Sachem unless they earned that right and it takes more than joining a >> club. >> This organization is fantastic as to what they do for mankind but as far >> as >> wearing regalia and calling themselves Sachems, etc., well..... >> I am sure some Indians belong. Assimilation. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy >> >> >>> Hi Robert; Thanks for the website listed below. There are a couple of >>> things >>> I don't understand, and looking through I'm a bit confused. The Initial >>> Memorial Association was erected at Plymouth, Ma......I don't understand >>> how >>> Texas is the Big Site .........what went on on the East Coast considered >>> all >>> of New England, down to N.Y. I think Pennsylvania, at one time was part >>> of >>> Massachusetts as well as Connecticut........have to check my records >>> again. >>> >>> Secondly, I sincerely believe that the Order of Red Men were Indians who >>> were peacefull and wanted to help the White Man.....or, at that time, >>> early >>> white settlers. In the future years the Indians through intermarriage, >>> whatever, looked as white as we, relatives of the first early settlers, >>> are. >>> There is no disagreement that white men were inducted into the >>> association >>> as Alvin G. Weeks was. One of my GGG + Grandfathers was a farmer on one >>> of >>> the Elizabeth Islands, here in Buzzards Bay. Indians also lived on the >>> Islands, and that Grandfather preached and taught them many things. I'm >>> sure >>> he became a sachem to them. >>> >>> Thanks for your response...........Randy >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Robert Ward" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:43 AM >>> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy >>> >>> >>>> Not meaning to take away from the value of the book which sounds from >>>> the >>>> table of contents very informative, the Improved Order of Red Men is a >>>> men's >>>> fraternal organization chartered by Congress during the 19th century >>>> which >>>> traces its origin to about 1765 when it was founded patterning itself >>>> after >>>> the Iroquois Confederacy. It is composed mainly of white men. It has a >>>> website which I found at www.redmen.org. >>>> >>>> Robert Ward >>>> >>>> >>>> Randy Weeks writes: >>>> >>>>> The name of the book is " MASSASOIT" written by Alvin G. Weeks that >>>>> was >>>>> privately printed in 1920. The color of the book is a redish brown or >>>>> rust >>>>> colored and measures 5 1/4" wide X 7 5/8" high and 3/4" in thickness. >>>>> Total >>>>> pages ...270. The first information states; This volume is presented >>>>> to >>>>> .............................. by THE MASSASOIT MEMORIAL ASSOCIATION >>>>> in >>>>> token of its appreciation of a contribution to the fund for the >>>>> erection >>>>> at >>>>> Plymouth, Massachusetts, of a memorial to Massasoit. Boston, Mass., >>>>> 1919 >>>>> and signed by Alvin G. Weeks ..president and Alexander >>>>> Gilmore....clerk. >>>>> The >>>>> book was printed by...The Plimpton Press.....Norwood, Mass., U.S.A. >>>>> The introductory of Massasoit is 17 pages. Chapter II ...Indian >>>>> Character >>>>> pages 18-44. Chapter III....The Algonquins..page 45-67. Chapter >>>>> IV....The >>>>> Wampanoags...pgs. 68-90. Chapter V....Massasoit..pgs. 91-128. Chapter >>>>> VI...Massasoit's Family..pgs 129-145. Chapter VII..Samoset, Squanto >>>>> and >>>>> Hobamock...pgs. 146-159. Chapter VIII..The Narragansetts...pgs. >>>>> 160-177. >>>>> Chapter IX..Miantonomo...pgs. 178-193. Chapter X..The Pequots, >>>>> Mohicans, >>>>> and >>>>> other Western Tribes...pgs. 194-233. Chapter XI.. King Philip and his >>>>> Captains...pgs. 234-270. >>>>> >>>>> Although Alvin was not an Indian, to my knowledge, hewas reffered to >>>>> as >>>>> "Past great sachem of the improved order of Red Men of Massachusetts >>>>> and >>>>> President of the Massasoit Memorial Association. >>>>> >>>>> The book is interesting and does include a few stories of Roger >>>>> Williams. >>>>> >>>>> I hope you can locate one. Let me know if you find one. The one I have >>>>> has >>>>> been in my family since it was printed. >>>>> >>>>> Good Luck............Randy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:43 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for posting this, Randy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you give us the name of the book? >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe it could be found in a library or >>>>>> archive somewhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lisa >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:50 AM >>>>>> Subject: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> |I have a Privately Printed book published in 1920 and written by >>>>>> Alvin >>>>>> G. >>>>>> | Weeks of Fall River, Ma. who was "Past Great Sachem of The Improved >>>>>> Order >>>>>> of >>>>>> | Red Men of Massachusetts and President of The Massasoit Memorial >>>>>> | Association". >>>>>> | I will add a few notations from the book that may interest you, but >>>>>> I >>>>>> cant >>>>>> | do all of the 270 pages. The begining starts; >>>>>> | >>>>>> | To The MEMORY OF MASSASOIT Great Sachem of the Wampanoag Indians, >>>>>> | 1620-1661, who, by his friendly disposition towards the whites, and >>>>>> his >>>>>> | faithful observance of his treaty obligations to them, has earned >>>>>> the >>>>>> | undying gratitude of humanity, this work is respectfuly dedicated. >>>>>> | >>>>>> | Henry VIII of England, in consequence of a quarrel with the Pope >>>>>> and >>>>>> | Cardinals concerning the dissolution of his marriage to Catherine >>>>>> of >>>>>> Aragon, >>>>>> | had established the Church of England as an independandt >>>>>> acclesiastical >>>>>> | body; and still later John Calvin, a Frenchman, born in the year >>>>>> that >>>>>> Henry >>>>>> | ascended the throne of England, promulgated the Geneva Creed. All >>>>>> these >>>>>> | things had set the leaven of religious liberty into a ferment which >>>>>> nearly >>>>>> | blew the lid off the mixing pan; and creeds without number sprang >>>>>> | up................ >>>>>> | >>>>>> | it was this that drove Roger Williams from Salem to seek refuge >>>>>> first >>>>>> with >>>>>> | Massasoit at Sowams, and later with the Narragansetts at the place >>>>>> which >>>>>> | devoutly named Providence; that sent Gorton from Plymouth to the >>>>>> same >>>>>> | Narragansett country; and John Easton and a multitude of other >>>>>> Quakers >>>>>> from >>>>>> | the Massachusetts Bay colony to Rhode Island and other places. >>>>>> | >>>>>> | Names mentioned......Canonicus of the Narragansetts; sachem >>>>>> Miantonomo; >>>>>> Miss >>>>>> | Elizabeth B. Champlin, a direct descendant of the old Ninigret tibe >>>>>> of >>>>>> | Indians which was so prominent in Souther, Rhode Island; >>>>>> | >>>>>> | King Philip's war......The great blow to the permanent success of >>>>>> this >>>>>> work >>>>>> | was struck by the unfortunate and general war which broke out under >>>>>> the >>>>>> | indomitable sachem called Metacom, better known as King Philip. He >>>>>> drew >>>>>> all >>>>>> | but the Christian converts and the Mohigans into this scheme. >>>>>> | >>>>>> | Back in the early 16oo's Sir Ferdinando Gorges, who was at that >>>>>> time >>>>>> the >>>>>> | commander of the Port of Plymout, England sent, or came to the New >>>>>> England >>>>>> | coast on trading expositions. At one time, on Martha's Vinyard >>>>>> several >>>>>> | Indians were captured and taken back to England. Capawack, >>>>>> Coneconam, >>>>>> Epenow >>>>>> | and Sakaweston >>>>>> | >>>>>> | Samoset came from Monhegan which was one of the Elizabeth Islands. >>>>>> He >>>>>> was >>>>>> | given English beer which the Indians reffered to as "Stron Water' >>>>>> and >>>>>> also >>>>>> | "Fire Water". >>>>>> | >>>>>> | At Kingston, R.I. during the swamp fight, the whites set fire to >>>>>> every >>>>>> | habitable hut or tepee and burned hundreds of women and children. >>>>>> | >>>>>> | When the Indians approached Providence in 1676, Roger Williams went >>>>>> out >>>>>> | alone to meet them to try to disuade them from their purpose of >>>>>> attacking >>>>>> a >>>>>> | town.He was 77 years of age. "Massachusetts', said he, can raise >>>>>> thousands >>>>>> | of men at this moment, and if you kill them the king of England >>>>>> will >>>>>> supply >>>>>> | their places as fast as they fall." "Let them come" replied the >>>>>> savages, >>>>>> "we >>>>>> | are ready". But as for you, Brother Williams, you are a good man. >>>>>> | >>>>>> | Massasoit was born 1580-------and Died 1661. >>>>>> | >>>>>> | Approximately September 13, 1655 Nine Chiefs went to Plymouth to >>>>>> arrange >>>>>> a >>>>>> | modus vivendi >>>>>> | OHQUAMEHUD ..........Wampanooag >>>>>> | OBBITINUA ..........Obbatinewat, sachem of the Massachusetts and >>>>>> subject >>>>>> to >>>>>> | Massasoit >>>>>> | NATTAWAHUNT ....probably Natawanute or Attawanhut of Connecticut >>>>>> | CAUNBITANT....Sachem of Pocaset >>>>>> | CHICATAUBUT ...of the Massachusetts >>>>>> | QUADENQUINA ...Massasoit's younger brother >>>>>> | HUTTAMOIDEN.....?? >>>>>> | APPANOW........aSPINETOF >>>>>> | >>>>>> | WANTED TO GIVE YOU MOR E BUT [SLEEPPY iLL JUST THROEWN IN >>>>>> SOME >>>>>> | NAME,wILLETTS; wAMSUTTA;nARRAGABSETTS;SENGLISS"wAMSYYYA AA >>>>>> | >>>>>> | s][SORRY, GETTIMG TIRED....HOPE i WIONDER IF THIS BOOK IS LOCTED IN >>>>>> | RHODE ISLAND >>>>>> | Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:33 PMEOPLE WILL FIINF IT TO READ. >>>>>> | Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>>>> | >>>>>> | >>>>>> | >I think some of the Ponkapoag become *Praying Indians* >>>>>> | > along with some of the Native people from Natick, MA. >>>>>> | > >>>>>> | > Search for John Eliot, Praying Indians, Deer Island, i >>>>>> | > found a lot of information on this a couple of years ago. >>>>>> | > cHOW.....- >>>>>> | >>>>>> | rRANSDY WEEKS >>>>>> | > Also, Ponkapoag Tribe has a website >>>>>> | > http://www.canton.org/native/index.htm >>>>>> | > with historical information - looks good. >>>>>> | > >>>>>> | > Lisa >>>>>> | > [email protected] >>>>>> | > >>>>>> | > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> | > From: "Donald Taylor" <[email protected]> >>>>>> | > To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> | > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:10 AM >>>>>> | > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>>>> | > >>>>>> | > >>>>>> | > | Lisa, >>>>>> | > | Do you have this book or did you access it online? I am >>>>>> wondering >>>>>> | > about if there is any mention of the Ponkapaugs of >>>>>> | > Dorchester/Milton/Canton, >>>>>> | > Mass. >>>>>> | > | >>>>>> | > | Don T. >>>>>> | > | >>>>>> | > | Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> | > | Google search shows Native American, >>>>>> | > | Niantic Tribe. >>>>>> | > | >>>>>> | > | Phillip Occuish, b. 1716, converted to Christianity >>>>>> | > | in 1740, became a Baptist minister, some of his descendants >>>>>> | > | moved to Brothertown, NY >>>>>> | > | >>>>>> | > | Maybe you found his wife's grave among others- >>>>>> | > | Sarah - died 1787 >>>>>> | > | >>>>>> | > | found in >>>>>> | > | Samson Occum and the >>>>>> | > | Christian Indians of New England >>>>>> | > | W. DeLoss Love, PhD >>>>>> | > | 1899 >>>>>> | > | Pilgrim Press >>>>>> | > | >>>>>> | > | Lisa >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, I believe she was. When I visited NH one time, I saw something there about this governor, and asked if he was a related to my co-worker's family. I think they were cousins. I'll ask him again. Lisa [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> | Hi Lisa; I wonder if the Gilman girl was related to Gov. John T. Gilman of | New Hampshire in the 1800's ?? | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> | | > Thank you Randy - | > | > If I turn one up, I'll let you know. | > | > Did I ever tell you that I work with a man named Weeks? | > His grandfather was married to a Gilman of NH. | > | > Lisa | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> || > | > | The name of the book is " MASSASOIT" written by Alvin G. Weeks that was | > | privately printed in 1920. The color of the book is a redish brown or | > rust | > | colored and measures 5 1/4" wide X 7 5/8" high and 3/4" in thickness. | > Total | > | pages ...270. The first information states; This volume is presented to | > | .............................. by THE MASSASOIT MEMORIAL ASSOCIATION in | > | token of its appreciation of a contribution to the fund for the erection | > at | > | Plymouth, Massachusetts, of a memorial to Massasoit. Boston, Mass., | > 1919 | > | and signed by Alvin G. Weeks ..president and Alexander Gilmore....clerk. | > The | > | book was printed by...The Plimpton Press.....Norwood, Mass., U.S.A. | > | The introductory of Massasoit is 17 pages. Chapter II ...Indian | > Character | > | pages 18-44. Chapter III....The Algonquins..page 45-67. Chapter | > IV....The | > | Wampanoags...pgs. 68-90. Chapter V....Massasoit..pgs. 91-128. Chapter | > | VI...Massasoit's Family..pgs 129-145. Chapter VII..Samoset, Squanto and | > | Hobamock...pgs. 146-159. Chapter VIII..The Narragansetts...pgs. 160-177. | > | Chapter IX..Miantonomo...pgs. 178-193. Chapter X..The Pequots, Mohicans, | > and | > | other Western Tribes...pgs. 194-233. Chapter XI.. King Philip and his | > | Captains...pgs. 234-270. | > | | > | Although Alvin was not an Indian, to my knowledge, hewas reffered to as | > | "Past great sachem of the improved order of Red Men of Massachusetts and | > | President of the Massasoit Memorial Association. | > | | > | The book is interesting and does include a few stories of Roger | > Williams. | > | | > | I hope you can locate one. Let me know if you find one. The one I have | > has | > | been in my family since it was printed. | > | | > | Good Luck............Randy | > |

There is no disagreement, what-so-ever that the white men dressed as Indians and dumpded the Tea overboard in Boston..............but that was a one time deal. When after, did the white man dress up as Indians to do other deads, that would accuse the Indians of destruction ?. Some of the tribes stood very helpfully behind the white men....don't think that they were all killers and wanted to get rid of us. The ones that fought us all the time were the ones that owned the land and property that the whites were killing them to take over everything. Wouldn't that be what we would do if the Iranians' came over here to take over America ?????? Dig very deep my friends....... Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "elainedecker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > They weren't Indians. They were associated with the men that dressed up as > Indians (blame it on the Indians!) and dumped the tea. > Regalia is sacred. It is only worn by Indians who have earned the right > and > every piece is worn in a distinct way. No one in Indian world is called > Sachem unless they earned that right and it takes more than joining a > club. > This organization is fantastic as to what they do for mankind but as far > as > wearing regalia and calling themselves Sachems, etc., well..... > I am sure some Indians belong. Assimilation. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:11 PM > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > > >> Hi Robert; Thanks for the website listed below. There are a couple of >> things >> I don't understand, and looking through I'm a bit confused. The Initial >> Memorial Association was erected at Plymouth, Ma......I don't understand >> how >> Texas is the Big Site .........what went on on the East Coast considered >> all >> of New England, down to N.Y. I think Pennsylvania, at one time was part >> of >> Massachusetts as well as Connecticut........have to check my records >> again. >> >> Secondly, I sincerely believe that the Order of Red Men were Indians who >> were peacefull and wanted to help the White Man.....or, at that time, >> early >> white settlers. In the future years the Indians through intermarriage, >> whatever, looked as white as we, relatives of the first early settlers, >> are. >> There is no disagreement that white men were inducted into the >> association >> as Alvin G. Weeks was. One of my GGG + Grandfathers was a farmer on one >> of >> the Elizabeth Islands, here in Buzzards Bay. Indians also lived on the >> Islands, and that Grandfather preached and taught them many things. I'm >> sure >> he became a sachem to them. >> >> Thanks for your response...........Randy >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Ward" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:43 AM >> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy >> >> >>> Not meaning to take away from the value of the book which sounds from >>> the >>> table of contents very informative, the Improved Order of Red Men is a >>> men's >>> fraternal organization chartered by Congress during the 19th century >>> which >>> traces its origin to about 1765 when it was founded patterning itself >>> after >>> the Iroquois Confederacy. It is composed mainly of white men. It has a >>> website which I found at www.redmen.org. >>> >>> Robert Ward >>> >>> >>> Randy Weeks writes: >>> >>>> The name of the book is " MASSASOIT" written by Alvin G. Weeks that was >>>> privately printed in 1920. The color of the book is a redish brown or >>>> rust >>>> colored and measures 5 1/4" wide X 7 5/8" high and 3/4" in thickness. >>>> Total >>>> pages ...270. The first information states; This volume is presented to >>>> .............................. by THE MASSASOIT MEMORIAL ASSOCIATION >>>> in >>>> token of its appreciation of a contribution to the fund for the >>>> erection >>>> at >>>> Plymouth, Massachusetts, of a memorial to Massasoit. Boston, Mass., >>>> 1919 >>>> and signed by Alvin G. Weeks ..president and Alexander >>>> Gilmore....clerk. >>>> The >>>> book was printed by...The Plimpton Press.....Norwood, Mass., U.S.A. >>>> The introductory of Massasoit is 17 pages. Chapter II ...Indian >>>> Character >>>> pages 18-44. Chapter III....The Algonquins..page 45-67. Chapter >>>> IV....The >>>> Wampanoags...pgs. 68-90. Chapter V....Massasoit..pgs. 91-128. Chapter >>>> VI...Massasoit's Family..pgs 129-145. Chapter VII..Samoset, Squanto and >>>> Hobamock...pgs. 146-159. Chapter VIII..The Narragansetts...pgs. >>>> 160-177. >>>> Chapter IX..Miantonomo...pgs. 178-193. Chapter X..The Pequots, >>>> Mohicans, >>>> and >>>> other Western Tribes...pgs. 194-233. Chapter XI.. King Philip and his >>>> Captains...pgs. 234-270. >>>> >>>> Although Alvin was not an Indian, to my knowledge, hewas reffered to as >>>> "Past great sachem of the improved order of Red Men of Massachusetts >>>> and >>>> President of the Massasoit Memorial Association. >>>> >>>> The book is interesting and does include a few stories of Roger >>>> Williams. >>>> >>>> I hope you can locate one. Let me know if you find one. The one I have >>>> has >>>> been in my family since it was printed. >>>> >>>> Good Luck............Randy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:43 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for posting this, Randy. >>>>> >>>>> Can you give us the name of the book? >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it could be found in a library or >>>>> archive somewhere. >>>>> >>>>> Lisa >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:50 AM >>>>> Subject: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> |I have a Privately Printed book published in 1920 and written by >>>>> Alvin >>>>> G. >>>>> | Weeks of Fall River, Ma. who was "Past Great Sachem of The Improved >>>>> Order >>>>> of >>>>> | Red Men of Massachusetts and President of The Massasoit Memorial >>>>> | Association". >>>>> | I will add a few notations from the book that may interest you, but >>>>> I >>>>> cant >>>>> | do all of the 270 pages. The begining starts; >>>>> | >>>>> | To The MEMORY OF MASSASOIT Great Sachem of the Wampanoag Indians, >>>>> | 1620-1661, who, by his friendly disposition towards the whites, and >>>>> his >>>>> | faithful observance of his treaty obligations to them, has earned >>>>> the >>>>> | undying gratitude of humanity, this work is respectfuly dedicated. >>>>> | >>>>> | Henry VIII of England, in consequence of a quarrel with the Pope and >>>>> | Cardinals concerning the dissolution of his marriage to Catherine of >>>>> Aragon, >>>>> | had established the Church of England as an independandt >>>>> acclesiastical >>>>> | body; and still later John Calvin, a Frenchman, born in the year >>>>> that >>>>> Henry >>>>> | ascended the throne of England, promulgated the Geneva Creed. All >>>>> these >>>>> | things had set the leaven of religious liberty into a ferment which >>>>> nearly >>>>> | blew the lid off the mixing pan; and creeds without number sprang >>>>> | up................ >>>>> | >>>>> | it was this that drove Roger Williams from Salem to seek refuge >>>>> first >>>>> with >>>>> | Massasoit at Sowams, and later with the Narragansetts at the place >>>>> which >>>>> | devoutly named Providence; that sent Gorton from Plymouth to the >>>>> same >>>>> | Narragansett country; and John Easton and a multitude of other >>>>> Quakers >>>>> from >>>>> | the Massachusetts Bay colony to Rhode Island and other places. >>>>> | >>>>> | Names mentioned......Canonicus of the Narragansetts; sachem >>>>> Miantonomo; >>>>> Miss >>>>> | Elizabeth B. Champlin, a direct descendant of the old Ninigret tibe >>>>> of >>>>> | Indians which was so prominent in Souther, Rhode Island; >>>>> | >>>>> | King Philip's war......The great blow to the permanent success of >>>>> this >>>>> work >>>>> | was struck by the unfortunate and general war which broke out under >>>>> the >>>>> | indomitable sachem called Metacom, better known as King Philip. He >>>>> drew >>>>> all >>>>> | but the Christian converts and the Mohigans into this scheme. >>>>> | >>>>> | Back in the early 16oo's Sir Ferdinando Gorges, who was at that time >>>>> the >>>>> | commander of the Port of Plymout, England sent, or came to the New >>>>> England >>>>> | coast on trading expositions. At one time, on Martha's Vinyard >>>>> several >>>>> | Indians were captured and taken back to England. Capawack, >>>>> Coneconam, >>>>> Epenow >>>>> | and Sakaweston >>>>> | >>>>> | Samoset came from Monhegan which was one of the Elizabeth Islands. >>>>> He >>>>> was >>>>> | given English beer which the Indians reffered to as "Stron Water' >>>>> and >>>>> also >>>>> | "Fire Water". >>>>> | >>>>> | At Kingston, R.I. during the swamp fight, the whites set fire to >>>>> every >>>>> | habitable hut or tepee and burned hundreds of women and children. >>>>> | >>>>> | When the Indians approached Providence in 1676, Roger Williams went >>>>> out >>>>> | alone to meet them to try to disuade them from their purpose of >>>>> attacking >>>>> a >>>>> | town.He was 77 years of age. "Massachusetts', said he, can raise >>>>> thousands >>>>> | of men at this moment, and if you kill them the king of England will >>>>> supply >>>>> | their places as fast as they fall." "Let them come" replied the >>>>> savages, >>>>> "we >>>>> | are ready". But as for you, Brother Williams, you are a good man. >>>>> | >>>>> | Massasoit was born 1580-------and Died 1661. >>>>> | >>>>> | Approximately September 13, 1655 Nine Chiefs went to Plymouth to >>>>> arrange >>>>> a >>>>> | modus vivendi >>>>> | OHQUAMEHUD ..........Wampanooag >>>>> | OBBITINUA ..........Obbatinewat, sachem of the Massachusetts and >>>>> subject >>>>> to >>>>> | Massasoit >>>>> | NATTAWAHUNT ....probably Natawanute or Attawanhut of Connecticut >>>>> | CAUNBITANT....Sachem of Pocaset >>>>> | CHICATAUBUT ...of the Massachusetts >>>>> | QUADENQUINA ...Massasoit's younger brother >>>>> | HUTTAMOIDEN.....?? >>>>> | APPANOW........aSPINETOF >>>>> | >>>>> | WANTED TO GIVE YOU MOR E BUT [SLEEPPY iLL JUST THROEWN IN >>>>> SOME >>>>> | NAME,wILLETTS; wAMSUTTA;nARRAGABSETTS;SENGLISS"wAMSYYYA AA >>>>> | >>>>> | s][SORRY, GETTIMG TIRED....HOPE i WIONDER IF THIS BOOK IS LOCTED IN >>>>> | RHODE ISLAND >>>>> | Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:33 PMEOPLE WILL FIINF IT TO READ. >>>>> | Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>>> | >>>>> | >>>>> | >I think some of the Ponkapoag become *Praying Indians* >>>>> | > along with some of the Native people from Natick, MA. >>>>> | > >>>>> | > Search for John Eliot, Praying Indians, Deer Island, i >>>>> | > found a lot of information on this a couple of years ago. >>>>> | > cHOW.....- >>>>> | >>>>> | rRANSDY WEEKS >>>>> | > Also, Ponkapoag Tribe has a website >>>>> | > http://www.canton.org/native/index.htm >>>>> | > with historical information - looks good. >>>>> | > >>>>> | > Lisa >>>>> | > [email protected] >>>>> | > >>>>> | > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> | > From: "Donald Taylor" <[email protected]> >>>>> | > To: <[email protected]> >>>>> | > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:10 AM >>>>> | > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>>> | > >>>>> | > >>>>> | > | Lisa, >>>>> | > | Do you have this book or did you access it online? I am >>>>> wondering >>>>> | > about if there is any mention of the Ponkapaugs of >>>>> | > Dorchester/Milton/Canton, >>>>> | > Mass. >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | Don T. >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> | > | Google search shows Native American, >>>>> | > | Niantic Tribe. >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | Phillip Occuish, b. 1716, converted to Christianity >>>>> | > | in 1740, became a Baptist minister, some of his descendants >>>>> | > | moved to Brothertown, NY >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | Maybe you found his wife's grave among others- >>>>> | > | Sarah - died 1787 >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | found in >>>>> | > | Samson Occum and the >>>>> | > | Christian Indians of New England >>>>> | > | W. DeLoss Love, PhD >>>>> | > | 1899 >>>>> | > | Pilgrim Press >>>>> | > | >>>>> | > | Lisa >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

They weren't Indians. They were associated with the men that dressed up as Indians (blame it on the Indians!) and dumped the tea. Regalia is sacred. It is only worn by Indians who have earned the right and every piece is worn in a distinct way. No one in Indian world is called Sachem unless they earned that right and it takes more than joining a club. This organization is fantastic as to what they do for mankind but as far as wearing regalia and calling themselves Sachems, etc., well..... I am sure some Indians belong. Assimilation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > Hi Robert; Thanks for the website listed below. There are a couple of > things > I don't understand, and looking through I'm a bit confused. The Initial > Memorial Association was erected at Plymouth, Ma......I don't understand > how > Texas is the Big Site .........what went on on the East Coast considered > all > of New England, down to N.Y. I think Pennsylvania, at one time was part > of > Massachusetts as well as Connecticut........have to check my records > again. > > Secondly, I sincerely believe that the Order of Red Men were Indians who > were peacefull and wanted to help the White Man.....or, at that time, > early > white settlers. In the future years the Indians through intermarriage, > whatever, looked as white as we, relatives of the first early settlers, > are. > There is no disagreement that white men were inducted into the association > as Alvin G. Weeks was. One of my GGG + Grandfathers was a farmer on one of > the Elizabeth Islands, here in Buzzards Bay. Indians also lived on the > Islands, and that Grandfather preached and taught them many things. I'm > sure > he became a sachem to them. > > Thanks for your response...........Randy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Ward" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > > >> Not meaning to take away from the value of the book which sounds from the >> table of contents very informative, the Improved Order of Red Men is a >> men's >> fraternal organization chartered by Congress during the 19th century >> which >> traces its origin to about 1765 when it was founded patterning itself >> after >> the Iroquois Confederacy. It is composed mainly of white men. It has a >> website which I found at www.redmen.org. >> >> Robert Ward >> >> >> Randy Weeks writes: >> >>> The name of the book is " MASSASOIT" written by Alvin G. Weeks that was >>> privately printed in 1920. The color of the book is a redish brown or >>> rust >>> colored and measures 5 1/4" wide X 7 5/8" high and 3/4" in thickness. >>> Total >>> pages ...270. The first information states; This volume is presented to >>> .............................. by THE MASSASOIT MEMORIAL ASSOCIATION in >>> token of its appreciation of a contribution to the fund for the erection >>> at >>> Plymouth, Massachusetts, of a memorial to Massasoit. Boston, Mass., >>> 1919 >>> and signed by Alvin G. Weeks ..president and Alexander Gilmore....clerk. >>> The >>> book was printed by...The Plimpton Press.....Norwood, Mass., U.S.A. >>> The introductory of Massasoit is 17 pages. Chapter II ...Indian >>> Character >>> pages 18-44. Chapter III....The Algonquins..page 45-67. Chapter >>> IV....The >>> Wampanoags...pgs. 68-90. Chapter V....Massasoit..pgs. 91-128. Chapter >>> VI...Massasoit's Family..pgs 129-145. Chapter VII..Samoset, Squanto and >>> Hobamock...pgs. 146-159. Chapter VIII..The Narragansetts...pgs. 160-177. >>> Chapter IX..Miantonomo...pgs. 178-193. Chapter X..The Pequots, Mohicans, >>> and >>> other Western Tribes...pgs. 194-233. Chapter XI.. King Philip and his >>> Captains...pgs. 234-270. >>> >>> Although Alvin was not an Indian, to my knowledge, hewas reffered to as >>> "Past great sachem of the improved order of Red Men of Massachusetts and >>> President of the Massasoit Memorial Association. >>> >>> The book is interesting and does include a few stories of Roger >>> Williams. >>> >>> I hope you can locate one. Let me know if you find one. The one I have >>> has >>> been in my family since it was printed. >>> >>> Good Luck............Randy >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for posting this, Randy. >>>> >>>> Can you give us the name of the book? >>>> >>>> Maybe it could be found in a library or >>>> archive somewhere. >>>> >>>> Lisa >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:50 AM >>>> Subject: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>>> >>>> >>>> |I have a Privately Printed book published in 1920 and written by Alvin >>>> G. >>>> | Weeks of Fall River, Ma. who was "Past Great Sachem of The Improved >>>> Order >>>> of >>>> | Red Men of Massachusetts and President of The Massasoit Memorial >>>> | Association". >>>> | I will add a few notations from the book that may interest you, but I >>>> cant >>>> | do all of the 270 pages. The begining starts; >>>> | >>>> | To The MEMORY OF MASSASOIT Great Sachem of the Wampanoag Indians, >>>> | 1620-1661, who, by his friendly disposition towards the whites, and >>>> his >>>> | faithful observance of his treaty obligations to them, has earned the >>>> | undying gratitude of humanity, this work is respectfuly dedicated. >>>> | >>>> | Henry VIII of England, in consequence of a quarrel with the Pope and >>>> | Cardinals concerning the dissolution of his marriage to Catherine of >>>> Aragon, >>>> | had established the Church of England as an independandt >>>> acclesiastical >>>> | body; and still later John Calvin, a Frenchman, born in the year that >>>> Henry >>>> | ascended the throne of England, promulgated the Geneva Creed. All >>>> these >>>> | things had set the leaven of religious liberty into a ferment which >>>> nearly >>>> | blew the lid off the mixing pan; and creeds without number sprang >>>> | up................ >>>> | >>>> | it was this that drove Roger Williams from Salem to seek refuge first >>>> with >>>> | Massasoit at Sowams, and later with the Narragansetts at the place >>>> which >>>> | devoutly named Providence; that sent Gorton from Plymouth to the same >>>> | Narragansett country; and John Easton and a multitude of other >>>> Quakers >>>> from >>>> | the Massachusetts Bay colony to Rhode Island and other places. >>>> | >>>> | Names mentioned......Canonicus of the Narragansetts; sachem >>>> Miantonomo; >>>> Miss >>>> | Elizabeth B. Champlin, a direct descendant of the old Ninigret tibe >>>> of >>>> | Indians which was so prominent in Souther, Rhode Island; >>>> | >>>> | King Philip's war......The great blow to the permanent success of >>>> this >>>> work >>>> | was struck by the unfortunate and general war which broke out under >>>> the >>>> | indomitable sachem called Metacom, better known as King Philip. He >>>> drew >>>> all >>>> | but the Christian converts and the Mohigans into this scheme. >>>> | >>>> | Back in the early 16oo's Sir Ferdinando Gorges, who was at that time >>>> the >>>> | commander of the Port of Plymout, England sent, or came to the New >>>> England >>>> | coast on trading expositions. At one time, on Martha's Vinyard >>>> several >>>> | Indians were captured and taken back to England. Capawack, Coneconam, >>>> Epenow >>>> | and Sakaweston >>>> | >>>> | Samoset came from Monhegan which was one of the Elizabeth Islands. He >>>> was >>>> | given English beer which the Indians reffered to as "Stron Water' and >>>> also >>>> | "Fire Water". >>>> | >>>> | At Kingston, R.I. during the swamp fight, the whites set fire to >>>> every >>>> | habitable hut or tepee and burned hundreds of women and children. >>>> | >>>> | When the Indians approached Providence in 1676, Roger Williams went >>>> out >>>> | alone to meet them to try to disuade them from their purpose of >>>> attacking >>>> a >>>> | town.He was 77 years of age. "Massachusetts', said he, can raise >>>> thousands >>>> | of men at this moment, and if you kill them the king of England will >>>> supply >>>> | their places as fast as they fall." "Let them come" replied the >>>> savages, >>>> "we >>>> | are ready". But as for you, Brother Williams, you are a good man. >>>> | >>>> | Massasoit was born 1580-------and Died 1661. >>>> | >>>> | Approximately September 13, 1655 Nine Chiefs went to Plymouth to >>>> arrange >>>> a >>>> | modus vivendi >>>> | OHQUAMEHUD ..........Wampanooag >>>> | OBBITINUA ..........Obbatinewat, sachem of the Massachusetts and >>>> subject >>>> to >>>> | Massasoit >>>> | NATTAWAHUNT ....probably Natawanute or Attawanhut of Connecticut >>>> | CAUNBITANT....Sachem of Pocaset >>>> | CHICATAUBUT ...of the Massachusetts >>>> | QUADENQUINA ...Massasoit's younger brother >>>> | HUTTAMOIDEN.....?? >>>> | APPANOW........aSPINETOF >>>> | >>>> | WANTED TO GIVE YOU MOR E BUT [SLEEPPY iLL JUST THROEWN IN SOME >>>> | NAME,wILLETTS; wAMSUTTA;nARRAGABSETTS;SENGLISS"wAMSYYYA AA >>>> | >>>> | s][SORRY, GETTIMG TIRED....HOPE i WIONDER IF THIS BOOK IS LOCTED IN >>>> | RHODE ISLAND >>>> | Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:33 PMEOPLE WILL FIINF IT TO READ. >>>> | Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>> | >>>> | >>>> | >I think some of the Ponkapoag become *Praying Indians* >>>> | > along with some of the Native people from Natick, MA. >>>> | > >>>> | > Search for John Eliot, Praying Indians, Deer Island, i >>>> | > found a lot of information on this a couple of years ago. >>>> | > cHOW.....- >>>> | >>>> | rRANSDY WEEKS >>>> | > Also, Ponkapoag Tribe has a website >>>> | > http://www.canton.org/native/index.htm >>>> | > with historical information - looks good. >>>> | > >>>> | > Lisa >>>> | > [email protected] >>>> | > >>>> | > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> | > From: "Donald Taylor" <[email protected]> >>>> | > To: <[email protected]> >>>> | > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:10 AM >>>> | > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>>> | > >>>> | > >>>> | > | Lisa, >>>> | > | Do you have this book or did you access it online? I am >>>> wondering >>>> | > about if there is any mention of the Ponkapaugs of >>>> | > Dorchester/Milton/Canton, >>>> | > Mass. >>>> | > | >>>> | > | Don T. >>>> | > | >>>> | > | Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> | > | Google search shows Native American, >>>> | > | Niantic Tribe. >>>> | > | >>>> | > | Phillip Occuish, b. 1716, converted to Christianity >>>> | > | in 1740, became a Baptist minister, some of his descendants >>>> | > | moved to Brothertown, NY >>>> | > | >>>> | > | Maybe you found his wife's grave among others- >>>> | > | Sarah - died 1787 >>>> | > | >>>> | > | found in >>>> | > | Samson Occum and the >>>> | > | Christian Indians of New England >>>> | > | W. DeLoss Love, PhD >>>> | > | 1899 >>>> | > | Pilgrim Press >>>> | > | >>>> | > | Lisa >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lisa; I wonder if the Gilman girl was related to Gov. John T. Gilman of New Hampshire in the 1800's ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > Thank you Randy - > > If I turn one up, I'll let you know. > > Did I ever tell you that I work with a man named Weeks? > His grandfather was married to a Gilman of NH. > > Lisa > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:02 PM > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > > > | The name of the book is " MASSASOIT" written by Alvin G. Weeks that was > | privately printed in 1920. The color of the book is a redish brown or > rust > | colored and measures 5 1/4" wide X 7 5/8" high and 3/4" in thickness. > Total > | pages ...270. The first information states; This volume is presented to > | .............................. by THE MASSASOIT MEMORIAL ASSOCIATION in > | token of its appreciation of a contribution to the fund for the erection > at > | Plymouth, Massachusetts, of a memorial to Massasoit. Boston, Mass., > 1919 > | and signed by Alvin G. Weeks ..president and Alexander Gilmore....clerk. > The > | book was printed by...The Plimpton Press.....Norwood, Mass., U.S.A. > | The introductory of Massasoit is 17 pages. Chapter II ...Indian > Character > | pages 18-44. Chapter III....The Algonquins..page 45-67. Chapter > IV....The > | Wampanoags...pgs. 68-90. Chapter V....Massasoit..pgs. 91-128. Chapter > | VI...Massasoit's Family..pgs 129-145. Chapter VII..Samoset, Squanto and > | Hobamock...pgs. 146-159. Chapter VIII..The Narragansetts...pgs. 160-177. > | Chapter IX..Miantonomo...pgs. 178-193. Chapter X..The Pequots, Mohicans, > and > | other Western Tribes...pgs. 194-233. Chapter XI.. King Philip and his > | Captains...pgs. 234-270. > | > | Although Alvin was not an Indian, to my knowledge, hewas reffered to as > | "Past great sachem of the improved order of Red Men of Massachusetts and > | President of the Massasoit Memorial Association. > | > | The book is interesting and does include a few stories of Roger > Williams. > | > | I hope you can locate one. Let me know if you find one. The one I have > has > | been in my family since it was printed. > | > | Good Luck............Randy > | > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Robert; Thanks for the website listed below. There are a couple of things I don't understand, and looking through I'm a bit confused. The Initial Memorial Association was erected at Plymouth, Ma......I don't understand how Texas is the Big Site .........what went on on the East Coast considered all of New England, down to N.Y. I think Pennsylvania, at one time was part of Massachusetts as well as Connecticut........have to check my records again. Secondly, I sincerely believe that the Order of Red Men were Indians who were peacefull and wanted to help the White Man.....or, at that time, early white settlers. In the future years the Indians through intermarriage, whatever, looked as white as we, relatives of the first early settlers, are. There is no disagreement that white men were inducted into the association as Alvin G. Weeks was. One of my GGG + Grandfathers was a farmer on one of the Elizabeth Islands, here in Buzzards Bay. Indians also lived on the Islands, and that Grandfather preached and taught them many things. I'm sure he became a sachem to them. Thanks for your response...........Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Ward" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Note from Randy > Not meaning to take away from the value of the book which sounds from the > table of contents very informative, the Improved Order of Red Men is a > men's > fraternal organization chartered by Congress during the 19th century which > traces its origin to about 1765 when it was founded patterning itself > after > the Iroquois Confederacy. It is composed mainly of white men. It has a > website which I found at www.redmen.org. > > Robert Ward > > > Randy Weeks writes: > >> The name of the book is " MASSASOIT" written by Alvin G. Weeks that was >> privately printed in 1920. The color of the book is a redish brown or >> rust >> colored and measures 5 1/4" wide X 7 5/8" high and 3/4" in thickness. >> Total >> pages ...270. The first information states; This volume is presented to >> .............................. by THE MASSASOIT MEMORIAL ASSOCIATION in >> token of its appreciation of a contribution to the fund for the erection >> at >> Plymouth, Massachusetts, of a memorial to Massasoit. Boston, Mass., >> 1919 >> and signed by Alvin G. Weeks ..president and Alexander Gilmore....clerk. >> The >> book was printed by...The Plimpton Press.....Norwood, Mass., U.S.A. >> The introductory of Massasoit is 17 pages. Chapter II ...Indian Character >> pages 18-44. Chapter III....The Algonquins..page 45-67. Chapter IV....The >> Wampanoags...pgs. 68-90. Chapter V....Massasoit..pgs. 91-128. Chapter >> VI...Massasoit's Family..pgs 129-145. Chapter VII..Samoset, Squanto and >> Hobamock...pgs. 146-159. Chapter VIII..The Narragansetts...pgs. 160-177. >> Chapter IX..Miantonomo...pgs. 178-193. Chapter X..The Pequots, Mohicans, >> and >> other Western Tribes...pgs. 194-233. Chapter XI.. King Philip and his >> Captains...pgs. 234-270. >> >> Although Alvin was not an Indian, to my knowledge, hewas reffered to as >> "Past great sachem of the improved order of Red Men of Massachusetts and >> President of the Massasoit Memorial Association. >> >> The book is interesting and does include a few stories of Roger Williams. >> >> I hope you can locate one. Let me know if you find one. The one I have >> has >> been in my family since it was printed. >> >> Good Luck............Randy >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Lisa Lepore" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >> >> >>> Thanks for posting this, Randy. >>> >>> Can you give us the name of the book? >>> >>> Maybe it could be found in a library or >>> archive somewhere. >>> >>> Lisa >>> [email protected] >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Randy Weeks" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:50 AM >>> Subject: [RIGENWEB] Re;Indian Information >>> >>> >>> |I have a Privately Printed book published in 1920 and written by Alvin >>> G. >>> | Weeks of Fall River, Ma. who was "Past Great Sachem of The Improved >>> Order >>> of >>> | Red Men of Massachusetts and President of The Massasoit Memorial >>> | Association". >>> | I will add a few notations from the book that may interest you, but I >>> cant >>> | do all of the 270 pages. The begining starts; >>> | >>> | To The MEMORY OF MASSASOIT Great Sachem of the Wampanoag Indians, >>> | 1620-1661, who, by his friendly disposition towards the whites, and >>> his >>> | faithful observance of his treaty obligations to them, has earned the >>> | undying gratitude of humanity, this work is respectfuly dedicated. >>> | >>> | Henry VIII of England, in consequence of a quarrel with the Pope and >>> | Cardinals concerning the dissolution of his marriage to Catherine of >>> Aragon, >>> | had established the Church of England as an independandt >>> acclesiastical >>> | body; and still later John Calvin, a Frenchman, born in the year that >>> Henry >>> | ascended the throne of England, promulgated the Geneva Creed. All >>> these >>> | things had set the leaven of religious liberty into a ferment which >>> nearly >>> | blew the lid off the mixing pan; and creeds without number sprang >>> | up................ >>> | >>> | it was this that drove Roger Williams from Salem to seek refuge first >>> with >>> | Massasoit at Sowams, and later with the Narragansetts at the place >>> which >>> | devoutly named Providence; that sent Gorton from Plymouth to the same >>> | Narragansett country; and John Easton and a multitude of other Quakers >>> from >>> | the Massachusetts Bay colony to Rhode Island and other places. >>> | >>> | Names mentioned......Canonicus of the Narragansetts; sachem >>> Miantonomo; >>> Miss >>> | Elizabeth B. Champlin, a direct descendant of the old Ninigret tibe of >>> | Indians which was so prominent in Souther, Rhode Island; >>> | >>> | King Philip's war......The great blow to the permanent success of this >>> work >>> | was struck by the unfortunate and general war which broke out under >>> the >>> | indomitable sachem called Metacom, better known as King Philip. He >>> drew >>> all >>> | but the Christian converts and the Mohigans into this scheme. >>> | >>> | Back in the early 16oo's Sir Ferdinando Gorges, who was at that time >>> the >>> | commander of the Port of Plymout, England sent, or came to the New >>> England >>> | coast on trading expositions. At one time, on Martha's Vinyard several >>> | Indians were captured and taken back to England. Capawack, Coneconam, >>> Epenow >>> | and Sakaweston >>> | >>> | Samoset came from Monhegan which was one of the Elizabeth Islands. He >>> was >>> | given English beer which the Indians reffered to as "Stron Water' and >>> also >>> | "Fire Water". >>> | >>> | At Kingston, R.I. during the swamp fight, the whites set fire to every >>> | habitable hut or tepee and burned hundreds of women and children. >>> | >>> | When the Indians approached Providence in 1676, Roger Williams went >>> out >>> | alone to meet them to try to disuade them from their purpose of >>> attacking >>> a >>> | town.He was 77 years of age. "Massachusetts', said he, can raise >>> thousands >>> | of men at this moment, and if you kill them the king of England will >>> supply >>> | their places as fast as they fall." "Let them come" replied the >>> savages, >>> "we >>> | are ready". But as for you, Brother Williams, you are a good man. >>> | >>> | Massasoit was born 1580-------and Died 1661. >>> | >>> | Approximately September 13, 1655 Nine Chiefs went to Plymouth to >>> arrange >>> a >>> | modus vivendi >>> | OHQUAMEHUD ..........Wampanooag >>> | OBBITINUA ..........Obbatinewat, sachem of the Massachusetts and >>> subject >>> to >>> | Massasoit >>> | NATTAWAHUNT ....probably Natawanute or Attawanhut of Connecticut >>> | CAUNBITANT....Sachem of Pocaset >>> | CHICATAUBUT ...of the Massachusetts >>> | QUADENQUINA ...Massasoit's younger brother >>> | HUTTAMOIDEN.....?? >>> | APPANOW........aSPINETOF >>> | >>> | WANTED TO GIVE YOU MOR E BUT [SLEEPPY iLL JUST THROEWN IN SOME >>> | NAME,wILLETTS; wAMSUTTA;nARRAGABSETTS;SENGLISS"wAMSYYYA AA >>> | >>> | s][SORRY, GETTIMG TIRED....HOPE i WIONDER IF THIS BOOK IS LOCTED IN >>> | RHODE ISLAND >>> | Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 1:33 PMEOPLE WILL FIINF IT TO READ. >>> | Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>> | >>> | >>> | >I think some of the Ponkapoag become *Praying Indians* >>> | > along with some of the Native people from Natick, MA. >>> | > >>> | > Search for John Eliot, Praying Indians, Deer Island, i >>> | > found a lot of information on this a couple of years ago. >>> | > cHOW.....- >>> | >>> | rRANSDY WEEKS >>> | > Also, Ponkapoag Tribe has a website >>> | > http://www.canton.org/native/index.htm >>> | > with historical information - looks good. >>> | > >>> | > Lisa >>> | > [email protected] >>> | > >>> | > ----- Original Message ----- >>> | > From: "Donald Taylor" <[email protected]> >>> | > To: <[email protected]> >>> | > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:10 AM >>> | > Subject: Re: [RIGENWEB] Is this an Indian name? >>> | > >>> | > >>> | > | Lisa, >>> | > | Do you have this book or did you access it online? I am >>> wondering >>> | > about if there is any mention of the Ponkapaugs of >>> | > Dorchester/Milton/Canton, >>> | > Mass. >>> | > | >>> | > | Don T. >>> | > | >>> | > | Lisa Lepore <[email protected]> wrote: >>> | > | Google search shows Native American, >>> | > | Niantic Tribe. >>> | > | >>> | > | Phillip Occuish, b. 1716, converted to Christianity >>> | > | in 1740, became a Baptist minister, some of his descendants >>> | > | moved to Brothertown, NY >>> | > | >>> | > | Maybe you found his wife's grave among others- >>> | > | Sarah - died 1787 >>> | > | >>> | > | found in >>> | > | Samson Occum and the >>> | > | Christian Indians of New England >>> | > | W. DeLoss Love, PhD >>> | > | 1899 >>> | > | Pilgrim Press >>> | > | >>> | > | Lisa >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >