Hi Don They were in Berkley, Bristol, MA. There are no cemeteries listed for that town, and also you did not give dates. Several Hathaway's are recorded in the 1800 Census, including Ezra. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Taylor" <dtaylor120@yahoo.com> To: <GenMassachusetts-L@rootsweb.com>; <RIGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: [RI] Ezra Hathaway >I am trying to help someone connect their Hathaway ancestor Ezra, thought >to be a son of an earlier Ezra. We believe that Ezra2 married first an >Aldrich as he named his first daughter and second child Elixabeth Aldrich >Hathaway. I found a marriage intention for an Ezra Hathaway and an >Elizabeth Aldrich at Uxbridge, Mass and a death notice for a widow Hathaway >we believe is the mother of Ezra Hathaway2 which says she was buried at >Warren. Now if my memory serves me right isn't or wasn't Warren, Mass in >Bristol County and didn't part of Bristol County become Bristol County, >R.I.? I know there is a Warren, R.I. but not sure if it is the same Warren >as was in Mass. Also is there anyone near there who would be willing to >look for their graves to see if any other Hathways are bureid with them? >This would help to see which line of Hathaways they were connected to. I >didn't find them in the R.I. Cemeteries database online or in a search at >NEHGS cemeteries. > Don Taylor > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > ------------------------------- > > RIGENWEB MAILING LIST > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion, exchange, and research of genealogy and > history information pertaining to Rhode Island. Despite the list name, > the list topic is not related to GenWeb in any way. > > Contact the List Admin at rigenweb-admin@rootsweb.com, or to search the > list archives or find other useful information to help you use the list > more effectively, please click on the following link: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/USGenWeb/RIGENWEB.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bonnie, These Ezra's were in Uxbridge and Warren, Worcester County. Thanks anyway Don T. Bonnie Weber <bonnie.travel@sympatico.ca> wrote: Hi Don They were in Berkley, Bristol, MA. There are no cemeteries listed for that town, and also you did not give dates. Several Hathaway's are recorded in the 1800 Census, including Ezra. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Taylor" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: [RI] Ezra Hathaway >I am trying to help someone connect their Hathaway ancestor Ezra, thought >to be a son of an earlier Ezra. We believe that Ezra2 married first an >Aldrich as he named his first daughter and second child Elixabeth Aldrich >Hathaway. I found a marriage intention for an Ezra Hathaway and an >Elizabeth Aldrich at Uxbridge, Mass and a death notice for a widow Hathaway >we believe is the mother of Ezra Hathaway2 which says she was buried at >Warren. Now if my memory serves me right isn't or wasn't Warren, Mass in >Bristol County and didn't part of Bristol County become Bristol County, >R.I.? I know there is a Warren, R.I. but not sure if it is the same Warren >as was in Mass. Also is there anyone near there who would be willing to >look for their graves to see if any other Hathways are bureid with them? >This would help to see which line of Hathaways they were connected to. I >didn't find them in the R.I. Cemeteries database online or in a search at >NEHGS cemeteries. > Don Taylor > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > ------------------------------- > > RIGENWEB MAILING LIST > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion, exchange, and research of genealogy and > history information pertaining to Rhode Island. Despite the list name, > the list topic is not related to GenWeb in any way. > > Contact the List Admin at rigenweb-admin@rootsweb.com, or to search the > list archives or find other useful information to help you use the list > more effectively, please click on the following link: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/USGenWeb/RIGENWEB.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- RIGENWEB MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion, exchange, and research of genealogy and history information pertaining to Rhode Island. Despite the list name, the list topic is not related to GenWeb in any way. Contact the List Admin at rigenweb-admin@rootsweb.com, or to search the list archives or find other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/USGenWeb/RIGENWEB.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Hi Bonnie, Yes I saw them there but unforunately they are wrong. They have this Ezra married to the wrong wife. Like that's never happenned before right? Somebody goofed! Thanks for looking though, Don Taylor Bonnie Weber <bonnie.travel@sympatico.ca> wrote: Hi Don Me again, They are on familysearch.org. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Taylor" To: ; Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: [RI] Ezra Hathaway >I am trying to help someone connect their Hathaway ancestor Ezra, thought >to be a son of an earlier Ezra. We believe that Ezra2 married first an >Aldrich as he named his first daughter and second child Elixabeth Aldrich >Hathaway. I found a marriage intention for an Ezra Hathaway and an >Elizabeth Aldrich at Uxbridge, Mass and a death notice for a widow Hathaway >we believe is the mother of Ezra Hathaway2 which says she was buried at >Warren. Now if my memory serves me right isn't or wasn't Warren, Mass in >Bristol County and didn't part of Bristol County become Bristol County, >R.I.? I know there is a Warren, R.I. but not sure if it is the same Warren >as was in Mass. Also is there anyone near there who would be willing to >look for their graves to see if any other Hathways are bureid with them? >This would help to see which line of Hathaways they were connected to. I >didn't find them in the R.I. Cemeteries database online or in a search at >NEHGS cemeteries. > Don Taylor > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! > Search. > ------------------------------- > > RIGENWEB MAILING LIST > > LIST TOPIC: The discussion, exchange, and research of genealogy and > history information pertaining to Rhode Island. Despite the list name, > the list topic is not related to GenWeb in any way. > > Contact the List Admin at rigenweb-admin@rootsweb.com, or to search the > list archives or find other useful information to help you use the list > more effectively, please click on the following link: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/USGenWeb/RIGENWEB.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- RIGENWEB MAILING LIST LIST TOPIC: The discussion, exchange, and research of genealogy and history information pertaining to Rhode Island. Despite the list name, the list topic is not related to GenWeb in any way. Contact the List Admin at rigenweb-admin@rootsweb.com, or to search the list archives or find other useful information to help you use the list more effectively, please click on the following link: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/USGenWeb/RIGENWEB.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

In reference to my earlier post and according to a lister on the Mass list, the town of Warren, Mass is in Worcester County and so it is not Bristol county in either Ma or R I. Don Taylor --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

I am trying to help someone connect their Hathaway ancestor Ezra, thought to be a son of an earlier Ezra. We believe that Ezra2 married first an Aldrich as he named his first daughter and second child Elixabeth Aldrich Hathaway. I found a marriage intention for an Ezra Hathaway and an Elizabeth Aldrich at Uxbridge, Mass and a death notice for a widow Hathaway we believe is the mother of Ezra Hathaway2 which says she was buried at Warren. Now if my memory serves me right isn't or wasn't Warren, Mass in Bristol County and didn't part of Bristol County become Bristol County, R.I.? I know there is a Warren, R.I. but not sure if it is the same Warren as was in Mass. Also is there anyone near there who would be willing to look for their graves to see if any other Hathways are bureid with them? This would help to see which line of Hathaways they were connected to. I didn't find them in the R.I. Cemeteries database online or in a search at NEHGS cemeteries. Don Taylor --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

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Is anyone planning a trip to RI Historical Society? I need a quick lookup for a marriage and a death... have names and approximate dates. Please contact me offline at kay-stanton@cfl.rr.com. Thanks. Kay Stanton Daytona Beach, FL

from "Printers and Printing in Providence, 1762 - 1907" prepared by a committee of Providence Typographical Union #33 as a souvenir of the 50th anniversary of its institution printed in 1907 "The Journeymen" (part 115) pp. LI - LII. "JOHN LOCKHART - Born Glasgow, Scotland, in 1832; learned printing in Glasgow, beginning in 1847; admitted to Providence Union by Troy card March , 1872; at Union Printers' Home, Colorado, in 1905. JOHN J. LOCKLIN - Born Lancashire, England, Feb. 8, 1854; learned printing at Journal job office, beginning in 1869; initiated into Providence Union July 13, 1872; worked on Evening Press and in Journal office; now employed at latter office. JOHN F. LONSDALE - Born Port Huron, Ontario, Can., June 3, 1844; served a four years' apprenticeship on the Port Hope Guide, beginning Nov. 2, 1858; initiated into Providence Union May 21, 1864; worked in this city on the Evening Press until the spring of 1869, except about one year spent in New York city; was 'the last person to come down the chain' on the occasion of the fire, Dec. 31, 1868; employed at American Press Association, New York city, in 1905. JABEZ LORD - Died New York city Nov. 26, 1883; he was a charter member of Providence Union in 1857, President in 1858, delegate to the national convention at Boston in 1859, Vice President in 1863 and secretary in 1860 and 1863; President of Columbia Typographical Union, No. 101, of Washington, D. C., in 1870; member of No. 6 at time of death. ED. PHINNEY LOTHROP - Born Barnstable, Mass., April 30, 1836; learned printing in office of Yarmouth (Mass.) Register, beginning in 1855; served in both army and navy in the Civil war, after which he returned to printing in 1866; worked on Pawtucket Gazette and Chronicle, Central Falls Weekly Visitor, Providence Evening Press, Pawtucket Gazette and Chronicle and at E. L. Freeman & Sons, in the order named; initiated into Providence Union Dec. 12, 1868; charter member of Pawtucket Union; at present proofreader at E. L. Freeman & Sons. Mr. Lothrop has succeeded in 'compiling a voluminous volume (unpublished) containing a summary - statistical and otherwise - of some of the operations of the Army of the Potomac during the Civil war, with personal experiences.' He has also contributed articles for the press, among which are 'Recollections of Cape Cod in Boyhood,' 'Seven Historic Days - Army of the Potomac,' 'Only a Memory Now,' 'A Cruise on U. S. Frigate Sabine During Civil War,' 'The Nation's Dead,' etc., etc." continued in part 116.

from "Printers and Printing in Providence, 1762 - 1907" prepared by a committee of Providence Typographical Union #33 as a souvenir of the 50th anniversary of its institution printed in 1907 "The Journeymen" (part 114) p. LI. "WILLIAM D. LILLY - Born Hope, R. I., Nov. 28, 1867; learned printing in the office of the Rumford Chemical Works, where he is now employed. JOHN B. LINCOLN - Died Providence, R. I., Aug. 8, 1874, in his 55th year. His name appears in the Providence Directory of 1847 as a printer; in 1852 he started the Kent County Atlas, the first newspaper printed in that county; he was a charter member of Providence Union in 1857. In the Civil war he served as 1st sergeant in Co. D, 2d R. I. Vols., from June 5, 1861, to Jan. 8, 1862. WILLIAM P. LINN - Born Providence, May 1, 1887; learned trade of machine tender with Snow & Farnham; joined effort for eight-our day October, 1906; now located in Providence. KARL LISKER - Born Medziboz, Pad., Russia, Oct. 26, 1884; learned printing at J. C. Hall's, beginning in 1901; initiated into Providence Union Sept. 24, 1905; participated in the effort for eight-hour day in 1906. FRANK LIVINGSTON - Born Worcester, Mass., Nov. 18, 1883; learned printing at Franklin Press, beginning in 1898; initiated into Providence Union June 30, 1901; participated in the effort for the eight hour day in 1906. JOHN J. LIVINGSTON - Born Worcester May 19, 1881; learned trade at Thompson & Thompson's, beginning in 1904; participated in the effort for the eight-hour day. WALTER I. LOCKE - Born Providence Feb. 7, 1875; learned printing in a job office on Mathewson street, beginning in 1894; was head pressman for the Albertype Co. when located at 80 East George street; admitted to I. T. U. at Tucson, Ariz., in 1905." continued in part 115.

from "Printers and Printing in Providence, 1762 - 1907" prepared by a committee of Providence Typographical Union #33 as a souvenir of the 50th anniversary of its institution printed in 1907 "The Journeymen" (part 113) p. LI. "CARL W. LEUFGREN - Born Stockholme, Sweden, in 1871; learned printing in Chicago and Providence; worked in this city, 1889 to fall of 1893, at Reid's, Johnson's, Wilson's and Evening Telegram; in the last office had his 'first experience at newspaper work, and also learned the linotype machine there;' initiated into No. 33 December, 1892; in 1896 subbed on the Journal; now located in New York city. JOSEPH B. LEVENS - Began to learn printing in Fall River in 1868, coming to Providence in 1871, at the expiration of his apprenticeship; in this city he worked for the Press, and later on the Journal; for a time he was telegraph editor on the latter paper. He was initiated into Providence Union June 10, 1871, and was financial secretary in 1878, when the charter was surrendered; again initiated June 27, 1886; went to Boston in 1891; now employed on the Transcript. HERCULES LEVEQUE - Born Woonsocket, R. I., Nov. 4, 1867; learned printing in Winnipeg, Manitoba, on the Times, beginning Aug. 28, 1883; admitted by card to Providence Union Oct. 30, 1892, when he worked on the Philanthrope, a French paper, and again May 30, 1897, when he worked on the News; member of the printing firm of Church & Leveque at 18 Rose street, New York city, in 1904. ANDREW J. LEWIS - Died at Union Printers' Home in Colorado Springs, Colo., April 3, 1901, aged 52 years; he was initiated into Providence Union Nov. 9, 1873; worked on the Star and Journal, and afterward was foreman of the Pawtucket Times. WILLIAM LEWIS - Born St. John, N. B., July 26, 1860; learned the printing trade with Barnes & Co. in that city, beginning in 1874; worked in Boston, Lynn, Haverhill, Salem, Lawrence, Lowell and Marlboro in Massachusetts until 1885, when he came to Providence and entered the Journal office; learned to run a linotype on the introduction of the machines. Mr. Lewis is a noted checker player and for many years edited the checker column of the Providence Sunday Journal; now located in New Bedford, Mass." continued in part 114.

Was this the Elizabeth Hopkins, daughter of William Hopkins, who was also the wife of Edward Inman? janrobison2@aim.com wrote: Hi, all, I did some research, by contacting a few "gurus" of the Carpenter family. Here is one response: John,  It appears that whoever compiled the Hopkins material relied on Somersby and/or Savage (or a tertiary source repeating one or the other) for the identification of Thomas Hopkins's wife. All Somersby's work should be regarded with extreme caution; both he and Savage are wrong in this case. While immigrant Thomas Hopkins was indeed the nephew of William Arnold--his parents were William and Joan (Arnold) Hopkins--he married neither of Arnold's daughters. As you know, Elizabeth Arnold married William Carpenter of Providence; Elizabeth's only sister, Joanna, married Zachary Rhodes (NEHGR 33:28, 69:67; Robert Charles Anderson, George Freeman Sanborn Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634–1635, Volume I A–B [Boston, 1999], 88-90).  >From what I can gather, Thomas Hopkins's wife is unknown.  Gene  In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, John writes: According to this person William Carpenter's wife was also married to Thomas Hopkins . Can you clarify if you can > John    > Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous > families >> bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and > Massachusetts, >> was >> the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was > the >> son of >> William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April > 7, >> 1616, >> died in Providence in 1684. >> His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna >> Arnold >> was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was > born >> June >> 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the > first >> governor >> of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the >> Arnolds >> of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the > Arnold >> families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is >> Elizabeth >> Arnold, >> daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold, > a >> cousin. >> His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence, >> Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one > of >> the 39 >> signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears > once >> in >> public >> records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was >> chosen >> for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of >> considerable >> prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and > 1660. >> In >> 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93 > in a >> division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from >> Providence to >> the >> Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and > 1672 >> he >> was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County, > Rhode >> Island. >> At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war > with >> the >> Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called > Littleworth, >> in the >> town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who >> predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby > in >> Oyster >> Bay in >> 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay >> authorities on Sept. 17, 1684. >> A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the > last >> named >> date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11, > wherein >> certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to > William's >> honored >> father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from >> William, the >> elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense > of >> the >> injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the >> parent to >> the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed > the >> decease >> of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as >> stated. >> Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his > decease as >> 1699. >> An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins' > will >> being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will > referred to >> show >> conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same > name. >> Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1 > P. >> 823, >> Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One > Line >> of >> the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence >> County, >> Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors, >> 1975-79, >> Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116. > One >> Hundred >> >> and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol. > 20, p. >> 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas >> William >> Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266. >> Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to > New >> England, >> Page >> 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of > New >> England >> Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr. >> Somerby's >> Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early >> Settlers >> of the Providence Plantations.    It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. Attached Message From: GeneZub@aol.com To: Johnlsaywhat@aol.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 6:59:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time John,  It appears that whoever compiled the Hopkins material relied on Somersby and/or Savage (or a tertiary source repeating one or the other) for the identification of Thomas Hopkins's wife. All Somersby's work should be regarded with extreme caution; both he and Savage are wrong in this case. While immigrant Thomas Hopkins was indeed the nephew of William Arnold--his parents were William and Joan (Arnold) Hopkins--he married neither of Arnold's daughters. As you know, Elizabeth Arnold married William Carpenter of Providence; Elizabeth's only sister, Joanna, married Zachary Rhodes (NEHGR 33:28, 69:67; Robert Charles Anderson, George Freeman Sanborn Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634–1635, Volume I A–B [Boston, 1999], 88-90).  >From what I can gather, Thomas Hopkins's wife is unknown.  Gene  In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Johnlsaywhat writes: According to this person William Carpenter's wife was also married to Thomas Hopkins . Can you clarify if you can > John L. Carpenter PO Box 912 Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912    > Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous > families >> bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and > Massachusetts, >> was >> the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was > the >> son of >> William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April > 7, >> 1616, >> died in Providence in 1684. >> His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna >> Arnold >> was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was > born >> June >> 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the > first >> governor >> of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the >> Arnolds >> of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the > Arnold >> families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is >> Elizabeth >> Arnold, >> daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold, > a >> cousin. >> His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence, >> Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one > of >> the 39 >> signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears > once >> in >> public >> records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was >> chosen >> for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of >> considerable >> prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and > 1660. >> In >> 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93 > in a >> division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from >> Providence to >> the >> Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and > 1672 >> he >> was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County, > Rhode >> Island. >> At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war > with >> the >> Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called > Littleworth, >> in the >> town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who >> predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby > in >> Oyster >> Bay in >> 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay >> authorities on Sept. 17, 1684. >> A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the > last >> named >> date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11, > wherein >> certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to > William's >> honored >> father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from >> William, the >> elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense > of >> the >> injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the >> parent to >> the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed > the >> decease >> of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as >> stated. >> Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his > decease as >> 1699. >> An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins' > will >> being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will > referred to >> show >> conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same > name. >> Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1 > P. >> 823, >> Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One > Line >> of >> the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence >> County, >> Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors, >> 1975-79, >> Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116. > One >> Hundred >> >> and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol. > 20, p. >> 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas >> William >> Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266. >> Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to > New >> England, >> Page >> 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of > New >> England >> Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr. >> Somerby's >> Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early >> Settlers >> of the Providence Plantations.   It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.  It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Hi, all, I did some research, by contacting a few "gurus" of the Carpenter family.  Here is one response: John,   It appears that whoever compiled the Hopkins material relied on Somersby and/or Savage (or a tertiary source repeating one or the other) for the identification of Thomas Hopkins's wife.  All Somersby's work should be regarded with extreme caution; both he and Savage are wrong in this case.  While immigrant Thomas Hopkins was indeed the nephew of William Arnold--his parents were William and Joan (Arnold) Hopkins--he married neither of Arnold's daughters.  As you know, Elizabeth Arnold married William Carpenter of Providence; Elizabeth's only sister, Joanna, married Zachary Rhodes (NEHGR 33:28, 69:67; Robert Charles Anderson, George Freeman Sanborn Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634–1635, Volume I A–B [Boston, 1999], 88-90).   >From what I can gather, Thomas Hopkins's wife is unknown.   Gene   In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, John writes: According to this person William Carpenter's wife was also married to Thomas Hopkins . Can you clarify if you can > John       > Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous  > families  >> bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and  > Massachusetts,  >> was  >> the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was  > the  >> son of  >> William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April  > 7,  >> 1616,  >> died in Providence in 1684.  >> His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna  >> Arnold  >> was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was  > born  >> June  >> 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the  > first  >> governor  >> of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the  >> Arnolds  >> of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the  > Arnold  >> families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is  >> Elizabeth  >> Arnold,  >> daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold,  > a  >> cousin.  >> His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence,  >> Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one  > of  >> the 39  >> signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears  > once  >> in  >> public  >> records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was  >> chosen  >> for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of  >> considerable  >> prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and  > 1660.  >> In  >> 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93  > in a  >> division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from  >> Providence to  >> the  >> Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and  > 1672  >> he  >> was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County,  > Rhode  >> Island.  >> At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war  > with  >> the  >> Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called  > Littleworth,  >> in the  >> town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who  >> predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby  > in  >> Oyster  >> Bay in  >> 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay  >> authorities on Sept. 17, 1684.  >> A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the  > last  >> named  >> date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11,  > wherein  >> certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to  > William's  >> honored  >> father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from  >> William, the  >> elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense  > of  >> the  >> injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the  >> parent to  >> the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed  > the  >> decease  >> of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as  >> stated.  >> Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his  > decease as  >> 1699.  >> An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins'  > will  >> being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will  > referred to  >> show  >> conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same  > name.  >> Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1  > P.  >> 823,  >> Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One  > Line  >> of  >> the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence  >> County,  >> Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors,  >> 1975-79,  >> Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116.  > One  >> Hundred  >>  >> and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol.  > 20, p.  >> 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas  >> William  >> Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266.  >> Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to  > New  >> England,  >> Page  >> 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of  > New  >> England  >> Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr.  >> Somerby's  >> Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early  >> Settlers  >> of the Providence Plantations.       It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. Attached Message From: GeneZub@aol.com To: Johnlsaywhat@aol.com Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 6:59:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time John,   It appears that whoever compiled the Hopkins material relied on Somersby and/or Savage (or a tertiary source repeating one or the other) for the identification of Thomas Hopkins's wife.  All Somersby's work should be regarded with extreme caution; both he and Savage are wrong in this case.  While immigrant Thomas Hopkins was indeed the nephew of William Arnold--his parents were William and Joan (Arnold) Hopkins--he married neither of Arnold's daughters.  As you know, Elizabeth Arnold married William Carpenter of Providence; Elizabeth's only sister, Joanna, married Zachary Rhodes (NEHGR 33:28, 69:67; Robert Charles Anderson, George Freeman Sanborn Jr., and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, The Great Migration: Immigrants to New England, 1634–1635, Volume I A–B [Boston, 1999], 88-90).   >From what I can gather, Thomas Hopkins's wife is unknown.   Gene   In a message dated 3/13/2008 4:21:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Johnlsaywhat writes: According to this person William Carpenter's wife was also married to Thomas Hopkins . Can you clarify if you can > John L. Carpenter PO Box 912 Walpole,N.H. 03608-0912       > Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous  > families  >> bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and  > Massachusetts,  >> was  >> the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was  > the  >> son of  >> William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April  > 7,  >> 1616,  >> died in Providence in 1684.  >> His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna  >> Arnold  >> was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was  > born  >> June  >> 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the  > first  >> governor  >> of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the  >> Arnolds  >> of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the  > Arnold  >> families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is  >> Elizabeth  >> Arnold,  >> daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold,  > a  >> cousin.  >> His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence,  >> Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one  > of  >> the 39  >> signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears  > once  >> in  >> public  >> records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was  >> chosen  >> for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of  >> considerable  >> prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and  > 1660.  >> In  >> 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93  > in a  >> division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from  >> Providence to  >> the  >> Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and  > 1672  >> he  >> was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County,  > Rhode  >> Island.  >> At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war  > with  >> the  >> Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called  > Littleworth,  >> in the  >> town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who  >> predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby  > in  >> Oyster  >> Bay in  >> 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay  >> authorities on Sept. 17, 1684.  >> A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the  > last  >> named  >> date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11,  > wherein  >> certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to  > William's  >> honored  >> father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from  >> William, the  >> elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense  > of  >> the  >> injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the  >> parent to  >> the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed  > the  >> decease  >> of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as  >> stated.  >> Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his  > decease as  >> 1699.  >> An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins'  > will  >> being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will  > referred to  >> show  >> conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same  > name.  >> Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1  > P.  >> 823,  >> Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One  > Line  >> of  >> the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence  >> County,  >> Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors,  >> 1975-79,  >> Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116.  > One  >> Hundred  >>  >> and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol.  > 20, p.  >> 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas  >> William  >> Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266.  >> Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to  > New  >> England,  >> Page  >> 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of  > New  >> England  >> Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr.  >> Somerby's  >> Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early  >> Settlers  >> of the Providence Plantations.     It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.   It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance.

Well, Charlie! That's exactly what I have!! Do you happen to know if she married Thomas Hopkins? Or is her ONLY hubby William Carpenter??? Or does someone have their data mixed up? Jannie -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Carpenter <nktown17@cox.net> To: rigenweb@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 7:55 pm Subject: Re: [RI] Arnold entanglement Jan According to Daniel H. Carpenters book on William Carpenter of Providence,(R.I.) line. William Carpenter,son of Richard of Amesbury,Wiltshire,England had as a wife Elizabeth Arnold b 11-23-1611. She was the daughter of William and Christiana (Peak) Arnold. William and Elizabeth Carpenter were married before sailing to America. Charlie C. ----- Original Message ----- From: <janrobison2@aim.com> To: <rigenweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [RI] Thomas ARNOLD > > I have found conflicting information in my notes on Elizabeth Arnold.? My > notes say that she is the daughter, and sister, etc., as stated below, but > that she married William Carpenter in Amesbury, Wiltshire, England 1 Nov > 1634. > > What a mess!!!? Can anyone untangle this? > > Jan Robison > Sanford, Florida > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brooks1934@aol.com > To: RIGENWEB@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 8:11 pm > Subject: [RI] Thomas ARNOLD > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas Arnold was my 9th great grand-uncle. Found this in my notes: > Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous families > bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and Massachusetts, > was > the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was the > son of > William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April 7, > 1616, > died in Providence in 1684. > His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna > Arnold > was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was born > June > 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the first > governor > of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the > Arnolds > of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the Arnold > families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is > Elizabeth > Arnold, > daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold, a > cousin. > His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence, > Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one of > the 39 > signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears once > in > public > records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was > chosen > for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of > considerable > prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and 1660. > In > 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93 in a > division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from > Providence to > the > Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and 1672 > he > was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County, Rhode > Island. > At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war with > the > Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called Littleworth, > in the > town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who > predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby in > Oyster > Bay in > 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay > authorities on Sept. 17, 1684. > A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the last > named > date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11, wherein > certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to William's > honored > father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from > William, the > elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense of > the > injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the > parent to > the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed the > decease > of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as > stated. > Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his decease as > 1699. > An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins' will > being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will referred to > show > conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same name. > Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1 P. > 823, > Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One Line > of > the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence > County, > Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors, > 1975-79, > Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116. One > Hundred > > and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol. 20, p. > 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas > William > Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266. > Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to New > England, > Page > 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of New > England > Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr. > Somerby's > Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early > Settlers > of the Providence Plantations. > Sources Title: Susan Cary > Author: _Scary@infowest.com_ (mailto:Scary@infowest.com) > >>From Judy Brooks Truchon >

Jan According to Daniel H. Carpenters book on William Carpenter of Providence,(R.I.) line. William Carpenter,son of Richard of Amesbury,Wiltshire,England had as a wife Elizabeth Arnold b 11-23-1611. She was the daughter of William and Christiana (Peak) Arnold. William and Elizabeth Carpenter were married before sailing to America. Charlie C. ----- Original Message ----- From: <janrobison2@aim.com> To: <rigenweb@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [RI] Thomas ARNOLD > > I have found conflicting information in my notes on Elizabeth Arnold.? My > notes say that she is the daughter, and sister, etc., as stated below, but > that she married William Carpenter in Amesbury, Wiltshire, England 1 Nov > 1634. > > What a mess!!!? Can anyone untangle this? > > Jan Robison > Sanford, Florida > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brooks1934@aol.com > To: RIGENWEB@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 8:11 pm > Subject: [RI] Thomas ARNOLD > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas Arnold was my 9th great grand-uncle. Found this in my notes: > Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous families > bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and Massachusetts, > was > the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was the > son of > William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April 7, > 1616, > died in Providence in 1684. > His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna > Arnold > was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was born > June > 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the first > governor > of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the > Arnolds > of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the Arnold > families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is > Elizabeth > Arnold, > daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold, a > cousin. > His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence, > Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one of > the 39 > signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears once > in > public > records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was > chosen > for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of > considerable > prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and 1660. > In > 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93 in a > division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from > Providence to > the > Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and 1672 > he > was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County, Rhode > Island. > At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war with > the > Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called Littleworth, > in the > town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who > predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby in > Oyster > Bay in > 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay > authorities on Sept. 17, 1684. > A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the last > named > date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11, wherein > certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to William's > honored > father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from > William, the > elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense of > the > injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the > parent to > the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed the > decease > of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as > stated. > Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his decease as > 1699. > An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins' will > being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will referred to > show > conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same name. > Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1 P. > 823, > Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One Line > of > the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence > County, > Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors, > 1975-79, > Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116. One > Hundred > > and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol. 20, p. > 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas > William > Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266. > Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to New > England, > Page > 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of New > England > Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr. > Somerby's > Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early > Settlers > of the Providence Plantations. > Sources Title: Susan Cary > Author: _Scary@infowest.com_ (mailto:Scary@infowest.com) > >>From Judy Brooks Truchon > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have found conflicting information in my notes on Elizabeth Arnold.? My notes say that she is the daughter, and sister, etc., as stated below, but that she married William Carpenter in Amesbury, Wiltshire, England 1 Nov 1634. What a mess!!!? Can anyone untangle this? Jan Robison Sanford, Florida -----Original Message----- From: Brooks1934@aol.com To: RIGENWEB@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 8:11 pm Subject: [RI] Thomas ARNOLD Thomas Arnold was my 9th great grand-uncle. Found this in my notes: Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous families bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and Massachusetts, was the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was the son of William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April 7, 1616, died in Providence in 1684. His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna Arnold was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was born June 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the first governor of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the Arnolds of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the Arnold families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is Elizabeth Arnold, daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold, a cousin. His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence, Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one of the 39 signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears once in public records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was chosen for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of considerable prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and 1660. In 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93 in a division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from Providence to the Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and 1672 he was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County, Rhode Island. At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war with the Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called Littleworth, in the town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby in Oyster Bay in 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay authorities on Sept. 17, 1684. A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the last named date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11, wherein certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to William's honored father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from William, the elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense of the injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the parent to the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed the decease of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as stated. Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his decease as 1699. An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins' will being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will referred to show conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same name. Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1 P. 823, Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One Line of the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence County, Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors, 1975-79, Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116. One Hundred and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol. 20, p. 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas William Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266. Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to New England, Page 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of New England Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr. Somerby's Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early Settlers of the Providence Plantations. Sources Title: Susan Cary Author: _Scary@infowest.com_ (mailto:Scary@infowest.com) >From Judy Brooks Truchon **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Judy, This is great info and I appreciate the sources. Thank you! Brenda HOpkins Clackamas, OR -----Original Message----- >From: Brooks1934@aol.com >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 5:11 PM >To: RIGENWEB@rootsweb.com >Subject: [RI] Thomas ARNOLD > >Thomas Arnold was my 9th great grand-uncle. Found this in my notes: >Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous families >bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and Massachusetts, was >the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was the son of >William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April 7, 1616, >died in Providence in 1684. >His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna Arnold >was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was born June >24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the first governor >of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the Arnolds >of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the Arnold >families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is Elizabeth Arnold, >daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold, a cousin. >His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence, >Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one of the 39 >signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears once in public >records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was chosen >for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of considerable >prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and 1660. In >1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93 in a >division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from Providence to the >Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and 1672 he >was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County, Rhode >Island. >At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war with the >Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called Littleworth, in the >town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who >predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby in Oyster Bay in >1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay >authorities on Sept. 17, 1684. >A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the last named >date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11, wherein >certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to William's honored >father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from William, the >elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense of the >injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the parent to >the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed the decease >of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as stated. >Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his decease as 1699. >An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins' will >being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will referred to show >conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same name. >Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1 P. 823, >Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One Line of >the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence County, >Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors, 1975-79, >Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116. One Hundred >and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol. 20, p. >224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas William >Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266. >Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to New England, Page >143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of New England >Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr. Somerby's >Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early Settlers >of the Providence Plantations. >Sources Title: Susan Cary >Author: _Scary@infowest.com_ (mailto:Scary@infowest.com) > >>From Judy Brooks Truchon > > > >**************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & >Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thomas Arnold was my 9th great grand-uncle. Found this in my notes: Thomas Hopkins, the immigrant ancestor of many of the numerous families bearing the name of Hopkins, especially in Rhode Island and Massachusetts, was the progenitor of Frederick Ferdinand Hopkins, of Worcester. He was the son of William and Joanna (Arnold) Hopkins, and was born in England, April 7, 1616, died in Providence in 1684. His mother was a daughter of Thomas and Alice (Gully) Arnold. Joanna Arnold was baptized November 30, 1577; her brother, William Arnold, was born June 24, 1587, the father of Bendict Arnold, not the traitor but the first governor of Rhode Island under the royal charter of 1643 and ancestor of the Arnolds of Warwick. Her half-brother, Thomas Arnold, is progenitor of the Arnold families of northern Rhode Island. The wife of Thomas Hopkins is Elizabeth Arnold, daughter of William Arnold, and sister to Governor Benedict Arnold, a cousin. His name first appears on New England Colonial records in Providence, Providence County, Rhode Island, where on July 27, 1640, he was one of the 39 signers of the agreement for a form of government. His name appears once in public records when on Sept. 2, 1650, he was taxed 13s. 4d. In 1652 he was chosen for the office of Commisioner, indicating that he was a man of considerable prominence in the community. He also filled this office in 1659 and 1660. In 1655 he was made a freeman and on July 19, 1665, he obtained Lot 93 in a division of public lands. In 1665,66,67&72 he was the deputy from Providence to the Rhode Island General Assembly in Newport, Rhode Island. In 1667 and 1672 he was a member of the Town Council of Providence, Providence County, Rhode Island. At the outbreak of King Phillips War, or shortly before, when war with the Indians became imminent, he removed to a settlement called Littleworth, in the town of Oyster Bay on Long Island, NY. He went there with a son who predeceased him. Thomas Hopkins died at the house of Richard Kirby in Oyster Bay in 1684. The inventory of his estate was ordered taken by the Oyster Bay authorities on Sept. 17, 1684. A deed given by Maj. William Hopkins, son of Thomas, bearing the last named date, is recorded in Providence Book of Deeds, No. 4, page 11, wherein certain lands are represented as having formerly belonged to William's honored father, Thomas Hopkins, deceased, and as this is a gift deed from William, the elder, to his younger brother, Thomas, prompted probably by a sense of the injustice of the law of primogeniture which gave the property of the parent to the eldest son, it is presumable that the conveyance soon followed the decease of the parent, thus showing the approximate time of his decease as stated. Savage, in his Genealogical Dictionary, gives the year of his decease as 1699. An error without doubt resulting from the fact of a Thomas Hopkins' will being probated Feb. 25 of that year. The details of the will referred to show conclusively that it was one of some other person bearing the same name. Sources: Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worchester County vol1 P. 823, Ellery Bicknell Crane, Call Number: F72.W9C8vol.1 Genealogy of One Line of the Hopkins Family, J.A.&R.A. Reid Printers, Providence, Providence County, Rhode Island 1881 Pp. 7-8. Seventeenth Century Colonial Ancestors, 1975-79, Page 33. New England Historic Genealogical Society, Vol. 2, p. 116. One Hundred and Sixty Allied Families, Page 59. The American Genealogist, Vol. 20, p. 224. The History of Rhode Island & Providence Plantations by Thomas William Bicknell, Pare 412. Guide to the Early Settlers of America, Page 266. Topographical Dictionary of New England, Emigrants from England to New England, Page 143. The First Settlers of New England, Page 149. Ancestral Heads of New England Families, Page 123. Genealogies of R. I. Families, Volume I, Mr. Somerby's Genealogy of the Arnold Family, Page 11. The Home Lots of the Early Settlers of the Providence Plantations. Sources Title: Susan Cary Author: _Scary@infowest.com_ (mailto:Scary@infowest.com) >From Judy Brooks Truchon **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Hi Brenda, I read the date incorrectly yesterday. I thought it said 1633 (guess I had better get my eyes checked!) The original TGM only goes to 1633. They have added volumes into 1635 but have not gotten through all the names yet. If they ever do 1636 your guy may be in there after all. Donna in RI ---- behopkins1@earthlink.net wrote: > Thanks, Arlan and Donna,I appreciate the reference! > Brenda > Message----- > >From: Arlan Maguire <agmaguire2@cox.net> > >Sent: Mar 10, 2008 5:58 PM > >To: rigenweb@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [RI] Great Migration = HOPKINS > > > >Brenda, I found this note in "Immigrant Ancestors", it could be your Thomas, > >sorry but this is all that there is about him, it might be a lead though > > > > > > > >"Hopkins, Thomas (1616-84), Eng. to Boston, c:1633; Settled in RI 1638; > >commr. at Providence member Town Council; dep. Gen. Assembly 1665; m > >Elizabeth ?." > > > > > >Arlan Maguire > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bonnie Weber" <bonnie.travel@sympatico.ca> > >To: <uriramfan@cox.net>; <rigenweb@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:47 PM > >Subject: Re: [RI] Great Migration = HOPKINS > > > > > >> Donna > >> Don't bother, > >> I just looked and he isn't there. > >> > >> Also went though the ship's list and he wasn't there. > >> > >> The Topographical Dictionary lists him, but not the ship he arrived on. > >> > >> Bonnie > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Donna Potter" <uriramfan@cox.net> > >> To: <rigenweb@rootsweb.com>; <behopkins1@earthlink.net> > >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:10 PM > >> Subject: Re: [RI] Great Migration = HOPKINS > >> > >> > >>> Hi Brenda, > >>> I have the Great Migration on CD so will look for it later when I am at > >>> home. Speaking of migrations, have you considered posting to the other RI > >>> list as well since someone there may have done some hands on research on > >>> this line? Many of us oldies have "migrated" to the other RI list. Let > >>> me > >>> know if you need info on subbing to it. > >>> Donna in RI > >>> > >>> ---- behopkins1@earthlink.net wrote: > >>>> Does anyone have access to the Great Migration resource? I'm am trying > >>>> to verify the arrival of Thomas HOPKINS and his wife, Elizabeth ARNOLD, > >>>> believed to have arrived c. 1636 on the ship LYON to MA.Any citings > >>>> would > >>>> be greatly appreciated. > >>>> Brenda HOPKINS > >>>> Clackamas, OR > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>> RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks! -----Original Message----- >From: Peter Blackwell <pblackwell@rideaf.net> >Sent: Mar 11, 2008 1:56 PM >To: rigenweb@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [RI] Thomas HOPKINS > > >Brenda >It is very likely that the Thomas that Arlan references is the one >that you are looking for. If it is, he came on the ship with >William Arnold and his family (including Benedict, first governor). >We do not know the name of the ship. They arrived in Hingham MA and >later joined up with Roger Williams coming to Providence. Thomas >Hopkins was William Arnold's nephew, the son of William Hopkins and >Joanna Arnold of Yeoville, Somersetshire. He was 19 at the time of >his sailing which would fit with the birth date Arlan cites as well >as the arrival in Providence. Brenda. The most useful source for >this is "An account of the English Homes of Three Early 'Proprietors' >of Providence" William Arnold, Stukely Westcott and William >Carpenter by Fred A. Arnold, member of the RI Historical Society, >1921. Thomas came of the ship with his sister Frances, 21, married >to William Man. Thomas was baptised 7th April, 1616. I hope this >turns out to be your Thomas. > >Peter Blackwell > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RIGENWEB-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Another tid bit of info.From New England Marriages Prior to 1700 by Clarence Almon Torrey.HOPKINS, Thomas (?1616-1684) & Elizabeth [?Arnold] (1611-); b. 1648; Providence/Oyster Bay LI