Hi Gene, Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to give me and others your detailed message. Let me answer some of your points here and let me pose another question. > Don't forget, I'm not sure of your John (Lewis) Riddle as I've never seen > him listed anywhere with the middle name LEWIS. Shawn Coomer includes "Lewis" as John's middle name. He writes: " I also have original pages from the family Bible that give birth, death & marriage info." I should be getting copies of those pages in the mail in the next couple of days, and I will forward those to you. I have looked at the 1850 census page for John Riddle of Owen County, KY, and I noticed that the ages (as listed there) between each of John's nine children and the next was exactly 2 years. I wondered whether this was real or the census taker's shortcut? [I myself worked as a census taker during the 1980 census, and I recall that guessing was allowed as a last resort.] The birth year that Shawn Coomer has for Lorenzo Dow Riddle corresponds precisely with what I had, based on a birth certificate for one of LDR's children (born in Gorman, TX, by the way). LDR had some 8 children, so we still have our work cut out for us. Regarding my "facts taken together" and William Riddle's family (of Scott County, KY), I should have done the following: 1. given separate attribution to the "facts", so that the reader might better weigh each "fact's" validity 2. qualified my reference to John as John Lewis (they might not be one and the same, after all), and 3. have stated that G. Divine knows of 6 other offspring by Hannah, besides the 3 I named (there could be more). My question is two-fold, and relates to William Riddle's line. a. Doesn't John Riddle having "Lewis" as a middle name support his being William's son, just as you derive from James LEWIS Riddle? b. Yesterday, I was reading in "The History of the Ancient Ryedales" by G. T. Ridlon, around p.377, about the Riddles of Orange County, VA, which county abuts Fauquier County. From memory, it suggests that many of the Riddles who derive from this branch have Lewis as part of their names. I did see, curiously, a James Riddell (b. 1850) whose son, William Riddell was born in Orange County, died in Kentucky and "presumably had a family and descendants". Is your (perhaps our) William Riddle mentioned in Ridlon's book? Regards, John (with Cathie Riddle Weiser)