--part1_2f371140.24f982be_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought I'd pass this along. It's good info. In a message dated 8/28/99 5:13:29 AM !!!First Boot!!!, merle@fea.net writes: << >> --part1_2f371140.24f982be_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <BORDER-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-zb03.mx.aol.com (rly-zb03.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.3]) by air-zb02.mail.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:13:29 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-zb03.mx.aol.com (v60.28) with ESMTP; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:13:18 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28228; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.1.19990827220549.009afe70@mail.fea.net> X-Sender: merle@mail.fea.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:27:24 -0700 Old-To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com From: linda Merle <merle@fea.net> Subject: Re: Where best to find ships Dumfries to Canada In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19990827064622.009b7890@mail.airmail.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: <dxxaKB.A.z4G.k92x3@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <BORDER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/5000 X-Loop: BORDER-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: BORDER-L-request@rootsweb.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Brad, I am currently in a genealogy conference on the British Isles and just returned from hearing Paul Smart, who heads the acreditation Dept in Salt Lake and is certified in Scottish research. He gave a whole talk on Scottish Emigration. I was pretty sure of this before and after he said it tonight I am sure it is so: There are no official government lists of emigration from any of the British Isles before 1890. This is really not true, though. There was a brief period about 1803 when the British Navy was stopping ships bound for the USA out of Ireland and making lists. Their propensity to stop ships (and hijack men to fight against ol' Bony) was one of the reasons for the War of 1812. Brian Mitchell published these in one of his books of Irish Emigrants. You can find Scottish judiciary lists (if I u nderstood Paul Smart correctly) that list folk who were evicted from the highlands, as well as lists of apprenctices, forced or otherwise (kidnapping children and selling them off to America was a popular business in Aberdeen in the late 1700's). His examples were all hand written, hard to read, and even harder to find. A last resort. Probably only Paul Smart could ever find these th ings!! But there is hope! Dobson has published a lot of books on Scottish emigrants. Named gleaned from all kinds of sources. Everyone who is try ing to trace people should look at them. They are now on CD at www.familytreemaker.com . However the very first place to start is Filby. Filby has been indexing all printed sources of immigrants. Its the first place to check. Filby. P WIlliam, "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index". A long series of tomes in your nearby library. You have to look up the ancestor in every single one. This is a drag, so Family Tree Maker has just released it on a CD. The CD will not include next year's edition, so you will either have to buy a new CD or go down to the library and look up your ancestors in it. It's about $60, but considering that each of the many volumes individually cost $300, it is a steal. Buy one, use it, then donate it somewhere where you can get a tax deduction. Then twice a year, for ever, go down to the library and look up all your ancestors in the new volumes as they come in. I am told (by someone in one of these lectures) that the early stuff is all published in and Filby. This could be depressing, if true, since a lot of my early folk aren't in Filby. At the time they came, we rely on accidental lists and diaries. A collateral relation was a compulsive diarist and did document a ship from Ireland in 1729...so there is hope. That's here: http://www.frontiernet.net/%7Enrepard/shiplis1.html I'm descended from John Beatty, but via his first wife Eliza. John was from Ayr (born mid 1600's) before he went to Ireland. (that's my "other" Beatty line: I got two). The British Isles Family History Society in America's website has an extensive guide to immigration research: http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa/ And there's a free course, nope, sorry, three, on immigration on www.familytreemaker.com (scrolll to bottom). If you don't find them in Filby, then it is time to consider the strategies outlined in the BIFHS guide. Probably that means hitting the New York ship lists unless you know for sure they came in another port. Of course you might luck out and find them on the internet, but if you have ever seen the huge rows of film of unprinted shiplist films at NARA, you know that only a drop of the bucket is on the web. Regards, Linda Merle --part1_2f371140.24f982be_boundary--