Hi Russ, I had emailed you eariler. Hope to hear from you, Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Perdue" <clperdue@swbell.net> To: <ChoctawSon@aol.com>; <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] Isaac and Joseph Riddle (and Hannah Longstreet Blackstone) > Dear Russ, > > Since you mentioned Fred Plum, I wanted to let you know that I am a > descendant of Isaac Roger Riddle and Hannah Longstreet Blackstone. Let me > know how you descend (we may have corresponded in the past). I have been > doing more research on the Blackstone side of the family and I have > discovered that some of Fred's information on that side is also a little > skewed. I have corresponded recently with other Blackstone descendants and > would like to correspond more with descendants of Isaac and Hannah as my > grandfather grew up in Mt. Pleasant, Texas. > > Thanks, > > Connie Wallace Perdue > Austin, Texas > clperdue@swbell.net > > RESEARCHING: BLACKSTON(E), EDMISTON, JACKSON, MAGRILL/MCGRILL, OLIPHANT, > OSBORN(E), PERDUE, STRAYHORN, STUART, THOMPSON, VAN ZILE, VERNON, WALLACE, > WRIGHT > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ChoctawSon@aol.com> > To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 6:41 PM > Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] Isaac and Joseph Riddle > > > > Hello Cousin, > > > > Charles Smith ... I have talked to you in the past! I realize what you > are > > saying about Fred Plum's work!!!! I understand it completely! I just > have > > never had opportunity to see this book that is suppose to exist, one time > > created by Fred Plum. And, just out of curiosity ... if nothing else I'd > > like to add this old volume to my file family tree collection. While his > > work is only a theory. Certainly, any work done of the family I would > like > > to have. > > > > I understand that Wm. Riddle has not been proved to have come from > Scotland > > ... mostly I was just noting the source(?) of these rumors that are > always > > rising up! But neither has it been proved where he came from for certain. > > As to his having possibly come from Scotland - I am not particularly > inclined > > to say that was true ... just would like a copy of that old, old research > on > > the matter of Our RIDDLE family tree no matter it lacks verification ... > it > > is probably just folk lore ... an unproven oral tradition at best perhaps > ... > > whatever you'd want to call it? > > > > It is still interesting to me ... something generation(s) may have believe > > perhaps with respect to our ancestry. As you point out though Mary V. > Hill > > and Jack H. Goins are more recent and verified in their research of our > > Riddle family true ... and faith and trust in their work more acturate as > > well! This is something that is fairly well known and established by time > > and those who have been on the RIDDLE LIST for any number of years knows > this > > to be true as well! > > > > Sorry, I am so long in responding back to some fellow researchers. One > nice > > person pointed me to a webpage that stated that my Ancestor Elam Riddle, > > husband to Matilda Simpson. I am supposing it is the same Elam was a > county > > suryor. Do, you know anything of this Charles? Charles, if you know > where I > > might get a copy of Fred Plumb's less than perfect or factual study of the > > Riddles, it still in some points may bears some old genealogy as well ... > and > > was an early effort in research. Though Plumb appears to have confused > Our > > Riddle's with another group of Riddles ... I'd appreciated your help in > that > > matter! As you have noted about Fred Plumb's book it is "a good starting > > point" if nothing else! > > > > Thanks Charles, > > Always great to hear from you! > > > > Cousin, > > Russ Merryman > > (Another descendant of Elam & Matilda Simpson-Riddle). Still confused > over > > the Traylor book photo, and the contray "Images of the Past" book stating > > Elam & Matidla's photo is someone else? Would like to know what happened > in > > this regards or supplier of this photo to both publishers? I have many > many > > lines of research following Matilda Simpson-Riddle's ancestry that was one > > time on familysearch.org but haven't verified any of it. Familysearch.org > > and other genealogy websites only rely on what people post to their > websites. > > > > ============== > > In a message dated 01/20/2003 1:51:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > CharlesGenUK@aol.com writes: > > > > > Subj: [RIDDLE] Isaac and Joseph Riddle > > > Date: 01/20/2003 1:51:41 PM Pacific Standard Time > > > From: <A HREF="mailto:CharlesGenUK@aol.com">CharlesGenUK@aol.com</A> > > > Reply-to: <A > HREF="mailto:RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com">RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com</A> > > > To: <A HREF="mailto:RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com">RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com</A> > > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > > > > I seemed to have stirred things up with my message about the twins Isaac > > > and > > > Joseph Riddle, sons of William Riddle. Unfortunately I have been unable > to > > > respond for a couple of days. Most of my notes are on another computer > > > system > > > and it will take time for me to access them. If I can, I will address > > > several > > > points that have been brought up over the last couple of Riddle Digests. > > > For > > > awhile (when this list was quite active on the subject several years > ago) I > > > > > > used to maintain a list of children of Isaac and Joseph (dates, etc) and > > > email addresses of descendents who were researching them. I seem to > > > remember > > > getting the list up to 40 people or so, but that was several years ago. > > > > > > First of all, Fred Plum's book is a good starting point but many things > > > over > > > the years have been proved wrong. The whole idea that William Riddle was > a > > > Colonial hero that was caught by the British and hung in 1781 was > disproved > > > > > > several years ago by Mary Hill amongst others (sorry Jack, if you or > others > > > > > > were instrumental in proving this theory). He was indeed hung in 1781 > but > > > by > > > a fairly corrupt colonial Colonel. His eldest son possibly died along > side > > > him. As I have mentioned before, especially in the wilderness that was > > > anything but the Eastern seaboard, things were murky in the western > parts > > > of > > > North Carolina, Virginia, etc. > > > > > > Carol... Isaac never lived in Missouri (this might be another Isaac > > > Riddle). > > > Isaac, who by the way was a hatter by trade, moved with his wife, Anna > > > Grizzel (who I have had great difficulty tracing other than her father > was > > > William Grizzel and she was born in Wilkes County, North Carolina on 18 > > > July > > > 1784) and their son's family (Elam Riddle and Matilda Simpson) from > > > Kentucky > > > to NE Texas, settling and founding Mt Pleasant, Texas. I have a picture > of > > > Elam and Matilda late in life, 1870s or so. No one has accurately, to my > > > knowledge, found out where Isaac, Joseph and (your ancestor) John's > father > > > William Riddle was born, nor has anyone found any ship records to > indicate > > > that he came to America from overseas. > > > > > > Isaac died 30 November 1861 (Titus County, Texas) and Anna died 29 > December > > > > > > 1856 (Titus County, Texas). > > > > > > Kim and Susie... the Isaac Riddle/Elam Riddle side of the family moved > to > > > Boone County, Kentucky after leaving Eastern Tennessee. Not sure though > the > > > > > > relationship geographically between Boone County, Owen County, Bath > County > > > and Oneida (Clay County). > > > > > > The two people (hope I haven't left anyone out that did the tons of > > > research > > > on these Riddles) who I would trust the most regarding this family are > Mary > > > > > > Hill and Jack Goins. They have found so much over the years and both > have > > > written extensive books on these Riddles, far outweighing Plum on > > > historical > > > facts. > > > > > > I hope this has helped more than it has confused, > > > > > > Charles Smith > > > > > > Note: if anyone is researching the Elam Riddle (son of Isaac Riddle) > line, > > > I > > > have researched an extensive amount about his wife's side (Matilda > > > Simpson). > > > I descend through their daughter Susan Delphia Riddle. > > > > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > > > To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" in an email to: > > > RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > > > RIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode) > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > >