I seemed to have stirred things up with my message about the twins Isaac and Joseph Riddle, sons of William Riddle. Unfortunately I have been unable to respond for a couple of days. Most of my notes are on another computer system and it will take time for me to access them. If I can, I will address several points that have been brought up over the last couple of Riddle Digests. For awhile (when this list was quite active on the subject several years ago) I used to maintain a list of children of Isaac and Joseph (dates, etc) and email addresses of descendents who were researching them. I seem to remember getting the list up to 40 people or so, but that was several years ago. First of all, Fred Plum's book is a good starting point but many things over the years have been proved wrong. The whole idea that William Riddle was a Colonial hero that was caught by the British and hung in 1781 was disproved several years ago by Mary Hill amongst others (sorry Jack, if you or others were instrumental in proving this theory). He was indeed hung in 1781 but by a fairly corrupt colonial Colonel. His eldest son possibly died along side him. As I have mentioned before, especially in the wilderness that was anything but the Eastern seaboard, things were murky in the western parts of North Carolina, Virginia, etc. Carol... Isaac never lived in Missouri (this might be another Isaac Riddle). Isaac, who by the way was a hatter by trade, moved with his wife, Anna Grizzel (who I have had great difficulty tracing other than her father was William Grizzel and she was born in Wilkes County, North Carolina on 18 July 1784) and their son's family (Elam Riddle and Matilda Simpson) from Kentucky to NE Texas, settling and founding Mt Pleasant, Texas. I have a picture of Elam and Matilda late in life, 1870s or so. No one has accurately, to my knowledge, found out where Isaac, Joseph and (your ancestor) John's father William Riddle was born, nor has anyone found any ship records to indicate that he came to America from overseas. Isaac died 30 November 1861 (Titus County, Texas) and Anna died 29 December 1856 (Titus County, Texas). Kim and Susie... the Isaac Riddle/Elam Riddle side of the family moved to Boone County, Kentucky after leaving Eastern Tennessee. Not sure though the relationship geographically between Boone County, Owen County, Bath County and Oneida (Clay County). The two people (hope I haven't left anyone out that did the tons of research on these Riddles) who I would trust the most regarding this family are Mary Hill and Jack Goins. They have found so much over the years and both have written extensive books on these Riddles, far outweighing Plum on historical facts. I hope this has helped more than it has confused, Charles Smith Note: if anyone is researching the Elam Riddle (son of Isaac Riddle) line, I have researched an extensive amount about his wife's side (Matilda Simpson). I descend through their daughter Susan Delphia Riddle.