Dear Russ, Since you mentioned Fred Plum, I wanted to let you know that I am a descendant of Isaac Roger Riddle and Hannah Longstreet Blackstone. Let me know how you descend (we may have corresponded in the past). I have been doing more research on the Blackstone side of the family and I have discovered that some of Fred's information on that side is also a little skewed. I have corresponded recently with other Blackstone descendants and would like to correspond more with descendants of Isaac and Hannah as my grandfather grew up in Mt. Pleasant, Texas. Thanks, Connie Wallace Perdue Austin, Texas clperdue@swbell.net RESEARCHING: BLACKSTON(E), EDMISTON, JACKSON, MAGRILL/MCGRILL, OLIPHANT, OSBORN(E), PERDUE, STRAYHORN, STUART, THOMPSON, VAN ZILE, VERNON, WALLACE, WRIGHT ----- Original Message ----- From: <ChoctawSon@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] Isaac and Joseph Riddle > Hello Cousin, > > Charles Smith ... I have talked to you in the past! I realize what you are > saying about Fred Plum's work!!!! I understand it completely! I just have > never had opportunity to see this book that is suppose to exist, one time > created by Fred Plum. And, just out of curiosity ... if nothing else I'd > like to add this old volume to my file family tree collection. While his > work is only a theory. Certainly, any work done of the family I would like > to have. > > I understand that Wm. Riddle has not been proved to have come from Scotland > ... mostly I was just noting the source(?) of these rumors that are always > rising up! But neither has it been proved where he came from for certain. > As to his having possibly come from Scotland - I am not particularly inclined > to say that was true ... just would like a copy of that old, old research on > the matter of Our RIDDLE family tree no matter it lacks verification ... it > is probably just folk lore ... an unproven oral tradition at best perhaps ... > whatever you'd want to call it? > > It is still interesting to me ... something generation(s) may have believe > perhaps with respect to our ancestry. As you point out though Mary V. Hill > and Jack H. Goins are more recent and verified in their research of our > Riddle family true ... and faith and trust in their work more acturate as > well! This is something that is fairly well known and established by time > and those who have been on the RIDDLE LIST for any number of years knows this > to be true as well! > > Sorry, I am so long in responding back to some fellow researchers. One nice > person pointed me to a webpage that stated that my Ancestor Elam Riddle, > husband to Matilda Simpson. I am supposing it is the same Elam was a county > suryor. Do, you know anything of this Charles? Charles, if you know where I > might get a copy of Fred Plumb's less than perfect or factual study of the > Riddles, it still in some points may bears some old genealogy as well ... and > was an early effort in research. Though Plumb appears to have confused Our > Riddle's with another group of Riddles ... I'd appreciated your help in that > matter! As you have noted about Fred Plumb's book it is "a good starting > point" if nothing else! > > Thanks Charles, > Always great to hear from you! > > Cousin, > Russ Merryman > (Another descendant of Elam & Matilda Simpson-Riddle). Still confused over > the Traylor book photo, and the contray "Images of the Past" book stating > Elam & Matidla's photo is someone else? Would like to know what happened in > this regards or supplier of this photo to both publishers? I have many many > lines of research following Matilda Simpson-Riddle's ancestry that was one > time on familysearch.org but haven't verified any of it. Familysearch.org > and other genealogy websites only rely on what people post to their websites. > > ============== > In a message dated 01/20/2003 1:51:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, > CharlesGenUK@aol.com writes: > > > Subj: [RIDDLE] Isaac and Joseph Riddle > > Date: 01/20/2003 1:51:41 PM Pacific Standard Time > > From: <A HREF="mailto:CharlesGenUK@aol.com">CharlesGenUK@aol.com</A> > > Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com">RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com</A> > > To: <A HREF="mailto:RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com">RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com</A> > > Sent from the Internet > > > > > > I seemed to have stirred things up with my message about the twins Isaac > > and > > Joseph Riddle, sons of William Riddle. Unfortunately I have been unable to > > respond for a couple of days. Most of my notes are on another computer > > system > > and it will take time for me to access them. If I can, I will address > > several > > points that have been brought up over the last couple of Riddle Digests. > > For > > awhile (when this list was quite active on the subject several years ago) I > > > > used to maintain a list of children of Isaac and Joseph (dates, etc) and > > email addresses of descendents who were researching them. I seem to > > remember > > getting the list up to 40 people or so, but that was several years ago. > > > > First of all, Fred Plum's book is a good starting point but many things > > over > > the years have been proved wrong. The whole idea that William Riddle was a > > Colonial hero that was caught by the British and hung in 1781 was disproved > > > > several years ago by Mary Hill amongst others (sorry Jack, if you or others > > > > were instrumental in proving this theory). He was indeed hung in 1781 but > > by > > a fairly corrupt colonial Colonel. His eldest son possibly died along side > > him. As I have mentioned before, especially in the wilderness that was > > anything but the Eastern seaboard, things were murky in the western parts > > of > > North Carolina, Virginia, etc. > > > > Carol... Isaac never lived in Missouri (this might be another Isaac > > Riddle). > > Isaac, who by the way was a hatter by trade, moved with his wife, Anna > > Grizzel (who I have had great difficulty tracing other than her father was > > William Grizzel and she was born in Wilkes County, North Carolina on 18 > > July > > 1784) and their son's family (Elam Riddle and Matilda Simpson) from > > Kentucky > > to NE Texas, settling and founding Mt Pleasant, Texas. I have a picture of > > Elam and Matilda late in life, 1870s or so. No one has accurately, to my > > knowledge, found out where Isaac, Joseph and (your ancestor) John's father > > William Riddle was born, nor has anyone found any ship records to indicate > > that he came to America from overseas. > > > > Isaac died 30 November 1861 (Titus County, Texas) and Anna died 29 December > > > > 1856 (Titus County, Texas). > > > > Kim and Susie... the Isaac Riddle/Elam Riddle side of the family moved to > > Boone County, Kentucky after leaving Eastern Tennessee. Not sure though the > > > > relationship geographically between Boone County, Owen County, Bath County > > and Oneida (Clay County). > > > > The two people (hope I haven't left anyone out that did the tons of > > research > > on these Riddles) who I would trust the most regarding this family are Mary > > > > Hill and Jack Goins. They have found so much over the years and both have > > written extensive books on these Riddles, far outweighing Plum on > > historical > > facts. > > > > I hope this has helped more than it has confused, > > > > Charles Smith > > > > Note: if anyone is researching the Elam Riddle (son of Isaac Riddle) line, > > I > > have researched an extensive amount about his wife's side (Matilda > > Simpson). > > I descend through their daughter Susan Delphia Riddle. > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" in an email to: > > RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > > RIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode) > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >