I have been reading your mail about the Willliam Riddle family.b 1740 (or earlier). I am a direct descendant of John Riddle, b 10 Feb 1775, M. Sarah (Sary) Johnson. John is an older brother of your Isaac. I believe I have corresponded with you before. My question is - have you confirmed where William, b 1740, was born? I show either Flatt River, Orange County, Va or Scotland. I cannot find a ship record of his coming to the Americas. When did your Isaac move to Texas? I have him still living in Mo 1834 where he voted along with Jesse and Emanuel. Was he married to Anna Grizzel and Grusida Gisser? Carol ---- Original Message ----- From: <CharlesGenUK@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 7:44 AM Subject: [RIDDLE] Re: RIDDLE-D Digest V03 #2 > Joseph L. Riddle was the twin of my ancestor > Isaac William Riddle > Born: April 1777 (Montgomery County, Virginia) > Died: 30 November 1861 (Titus County, Texas) > Married: 21 May 1801 (Russell County, Tennessee?) > > Some unreliable sources had their birth year as 1775 but it was 1777. > > Jodie, the twins went with their mother (Happy Rogers Riddle) to Tennessee > where she remarried. A lot of families, caught on the wrong side of the > American Revolution, went to Kentucky and Tennessee to leave behind the past. > Happy died about 1784 in Kyles Ford, Hawkins Co., Tennessee at about the age > of 36. The twins' father was William Riddle who was hung in the Spring of > 1781 in either Watauga Co. or Wilkesboro, North Carolina by a corrupt > colonial leader (yes there were good and bad on both sides, it was not as > black and white as the textbooks tell us). There is more to this story than > just William being on the Loyalist side during the Revolution. > > Charles > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" in an email to: > RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > RIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

JODIE, I HAVE THAT INFO IN MY MANY FILES--I ALSO HAVE COPIES OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS FILED BY THE COURTS TO MAKE THE TWO BOYS WARDS BECAUSE THEIR MOTHER HAD NO WAY OF SUPPORTING THEM. GIVE ME A FEW DAYS, AS I'M UP TO MY NECK IN CHRISTMAS DECORATIONS.FEEL FREE TO REMIND ME AT riddleinva@ntelos.net FAYE RIDDLE BOCOCK ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dayjovu@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 3:57 AM Subject: [RIDDLE] James Riddle b. 1773 in VA > Carol > > This is Jodie Bond -- a desc. of William Riddle's son Joseph L. Riddle b. > 1777; I have this info in my file on Riddle's. After William was hung for > treason (Tory) his wife moved to ky. The 2 older boys stayed in VA. Now if > I can just find where i put the source info! But I promise I found it on from > a reliable riddle source & didn't make it up! -- Jodie > > Montgomery Co VA Order Bk May 8, 1782 John Riddle an orphan of William > Riddle of 7 years old to age 21 to James Newll. > James Riddle orphan of William Riddle to James McCorkle. > These 2 sons were probably brothers of Joseph Riddle. > > Sex: M > Birth: 1773 in Montgomery Co., VA > Death: in Prob. Ursa, IL > > Re: [RIDDLE] Mystery Middle Names > Date: 1/3/2003 12:22:28 AM Eastern Standard Time > > The year of birth for my James R. Riddle is between 1770-80. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Dream Back the Buffalo, Sing Back the Swan > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > Contact the Listowner sjblackmon@digitalpassage.com > Whispers from the Past..... > http://www.susanblackmon.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

<PRE>Charles--very interesting information and insight, especially the part about good and bad folks on each side. A question, please. Some references give her name as Harriett Roberts, not Happy Rogers, and even show William as a Patriot. Have you accounted for these discrepancies in your own research? thanks---Jim Riddle

Hi Charles I'm a bit lost here. I copied info I found excerpted out of a book or two. Did I quote something that didn't set well? I am a direct descendant of Joseph L Riddle. The 1775 birthdate is from Roger Hart's long research - but I think he put John Riddle's year instead of Joseph's. (John RIDDLE b: 10 Feb 1775 in Montgomery Co., VA); You are fortunate in that all of Isacc's family has been identified. We are still working on Joseph's. Who do you show Happy Rogers Riddle re-marrying... Thanks so much - Jodie Found this article quite interesting! source: http://www.jimcal.com/v04is01.htm#William William Riddle was taken before the Montgomery County Court several times as a > Loyalist starting in 1779.<A HREF="http://www.jimcal.com/#21">21</A>It was not uncommon for individuals to have > divided loyalties — to come forward for the patriot cause, and then switch > to the British standard — or visa versa. Thus families were often split > apart by these divided loyalties. Finally in 1781 William Riddle kidnapped > Col. Benjamin Cleveland, a patriot from Surry County, North > Carolina.Cleveland escaped, and shortly thereafter Riddle was caught and > hanged. The details of his death contain several contradictions in the > letters and pension declarations found in the Draper Manuscripts.There are > three separate accounts in A History of Watauga County, North Carolina with > Sketches of Prominent Families and in Draper’s King’s Mountain And Its > Heroes.<A HREF="http://www.jimcal.com/#22">22</A> One account in the actual Draper Manuscripts states there were > five men besides William Riddle hanged<A HREF="http://www.jimcal.com/#23">23</A> with him and two other accounts > state that Riddle and two sons were hanged together.<A HREF="http://www.jimcal.com/#24">24</A>Several accounts > assert that three Tories were hanged together at Wilkesboro by Cleveland,<A HREF="http://www.jimcal.com/#25">25</A> > and one account declares that the three hanged were William Riddle, Reeves > and Goss.<A HREF="http://www.jimcal.com/#26">26</A>Yet another account states that the tradition in the area of > Riddle’s Knob is that, in fact, Riddle was shot in the thigh at the time of > Cleveland’s rescue on Riddle’s Knob.His wife pled for him, and seeing that > he was mortally wounded, they left him to die with her.<A HREF="http://www.jimcal.com/#27">27</A> In the Draper > Manuscripts, 5DD110, W.W. Lenoir corrects his own earlier statement that > Riddle and two sons were hanged. He says he now believes the truth of the > matter is that Riddle and one son were hanged, together with a third man.It > is my feeling that this last statement is closest to the truth. I believe > the name of this son was Moses Riddle, age about 15 years.This concurs with > Scottish naming patterns, wherein the eldest son was named for the father’s > father – in the Riddle family, Moses Riddle, (sometimes the first son was > named for the mother’s father), and the second son – who was in the Riddle > family named "James," was named for the mother’s father.I therefore suspect > that Happy’s father was James Roberts, for whom the second son was named. In a message dated 1/4/2003 8:44:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, CharlesGenUK@aol.com writes: > Joseph L. Riddle was the twin of my ancestor > Isaac William Riddle > Born: April 1777 (Montgomery County, Virginia) > Died: 30 November 1861 (Titus County, Texas) > Married: 21 May 1801 (Russell County, Tennessee?) > > Some unreliable sources had their birth year as 1775 but it was 1777. > > Jodie, the twins went with their mother (Happy Rogers Riddle) to Tennessee > where she remarried. A lot of families, caught on the wrong side of the > American Revolution, went to Kentucky and Tennessee to leave behind the > past. > Happy died about 1784 in Kyles Ford, Hawkins Co., Tennessee at about the > age > of 36. The twins' father was William Riddle who was hung in the Spring of > 1781 in either Watauga Co. or Wilkesboro, North Carolina by a corrupt > colonial leader (yes there were good and bad on both sides, it was not as > black and white as the textbooks tell us). There is more to this story than > > just William being on the Loyalist side during the Revolution. > > Charles >

Joseph L. Riddle was the twin of my ancestor Isaac William Riddle Born: April 1777 (Montgomery County, Virginia) Died: 30 November 1861 (Titus County, Texas) Married: 21 May 1801 (Russell County, Tennessee?) Some unreliable sources had their birth year as 1775 but it was 1777. Jodie, the twins went with their mother (Happy Rogers Riddle) to Tennessee where she remarried. A lot of families, caught on the wrong side of the American Revolution, went to Kentucky and Tennessee to leave behind the past. Happy died about 1784 in Kyles Ford, Hawkins Co., Tennessee at about the age of 36. The twins' father was William Riddle who was hung in the Spring of 1781 in either Watauga Co. or Wilkesboro, North Carolina by a corrupt colonial leader (yes there were good and bad on both sides, it was not as black and white as the textbooks tell us). There is more to this story than just William being on the Loyalist side during the Revolution. Charles

HOWARD Lee Riddle died of pneumonia on Dec. 12, 2001 in Santa Fe New Mexico. When and if I get the other records on him I will be happy to post it to the list. He is the son of George and Bertie Riddle. His brother's were Shelby Riddle, deceased, Everett and I believe that is all. He has a step sister Anna Moore, and a step brother, Osborn Riddles, & everal nieces and nephews. Several Aunts,& Uncles. wrakj

You said in an earlier message that you don't wake up Grouchy until later in the day or something like that. Ha! That is what I was referring to. :-) Susie

Susie, what are you referring to? Eva (Guess I have old timers)

I am still trying to locate information on a James Riddle and his wife, Eliza A. Riddle. According to the 1850 census records for Hawkins Co., TN, James would have been born in 1812 and Eliza in 1817. Both of them are shown as having been born in North Carolina. This same census lists three children; Jane, age 4, born in VA; Ann (my great-grandmother), age 2, born in VA; and James, age 7 months, born in TN. The 1840 census records for Wilkes County, North Carolina, lists a family headed by a James Riddle which contains "Free White Persons" as follows: one male aged 20-30; one female aged 20-30; and two children, one male and one female, both less than 5 years old. Also in the 1840 NC census in Moore County, there is another family listed as being headed by a James Riddle which included the following: one male aged 20-30; one male aged 15-20; one male aged 5-10; and one female aged 30-40. Since my James Riddle would have been 28 in 1840, either of these families might be the one that I am looking for. Does anyone have any information on either of these two NC families that, if nothing else, will allow me to eliminate them from my searching? Some brick walls are awfully tough to get past! Thanks, Warren Ridley Morristown, TN

Hello Warren, Sorry the only James Riddle I find living in 1870 b. in North Carolina and between 51-60 years old is James Riddle mw 59 farmer b. N. C. Martha A. 43 b. Tenn. Mary E. 17 b. Oh. William R. 12 b. Oh. George W. 10 b. Oh. next door James Riddle mw 20 farm labor b. Oh. Isabelle 22 b. Oh You mention a son James b. 1840 b. Tenn. There is a James Riddle age 30 b. Tenn. farm labor and single, living in the household of Lawrence Lee and wife Mary. They have 4 other farm hands and a domestic servant and his farm is worth $15,000. This is in Gainesville Post Office, Cooke County, Texas. ********** If you think of any other way to look for him in 1870 I'll be glad to. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Daniel W. Ridley [mailto:warren58@lcs.net] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:58 AM To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [RIDDLE] James Riddle, North Carolina I am still trying to locate information on a James Riddle and his wife, Eliza A. Riddle. According to the 1850 census records for Hawkins Co., TN, James would have been born in 1812 and Eliza in 1817. Both of them are shown as having been born in North Carolina. This same census lists three children; Jane, age 4, born in VA; Ann (my great-grandmother), age 2, born in VA; and James, age 7 months, born in TN. The 1840 census records for Wilkes County, North Carolina, lists a family headed by a James Riddle which contains "Free White Persons" as follows: one male aged 20-30; one female aged 20-30; and two children, one male and one female, both less than 5 years old. Also in the 1840 NC census in Moore County, there is another family listed as being headed by a James Riddle which included the following: one male aged 20-30; one male aged 15-20; one male aged 5-10; and one female aged 30-40. Since my James Riddle would have been 28 in 1840, either of these families might be the one that I am looking for. Does anyone have any information on either of these two NC families that, if nothing else, will allow me to eliminate them from my searching? Some brick walls are awfully tough to get past! Thanks, Warren Ridley Morristown, TN ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" in an email to: RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or RIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Cute, Eva!!! Poor RD!!!!!!!! :-) Hope all Riddles have a Great Happy New Year. Susie

Hello Riddle researchers, In trying to get my family lines straight i find that I have William Jacob Cayton married to both nancy Riddle and nancy Brock. Could anyone tell me if this is the same nancy or which is correct.? Thank you, Marie *hope i don't confuse you, Scott..I also have the Samuel and Anne (Baker) Riddle line thru my grandmother.* ~My genes are hand-me-downs~

Carol This is Jodie Bond -- a desc. of William Riddle's son Joseph L. Riddle b. 1777; I have this info in my file on Riddle's. After William was hung for treason (Tory) his wife moved to ky. The 2 older boys stayed in VA. Now if I can just find where i put the source info! But I promise I found it on from a reliable riddle source & didn't make it up! -- Jodie Montgomery Co VA Order Bk May 8, 1782 John Riddle an orphan of William Riddle of 7 years old to age 21 to James Newll. James Riddle orphan of William Riddle to James McCorkle. These 2 sons were probably brothers of Joseph Riddle. Sex: M Birth: 1773 in Montgomery Co., VA Death: in Prob. Ursa, IL Re: [RIDDLE] Mystery Middle Names  Date: 1/3/2003 12:22:28 AM Eastern Standard Time The year of birth for my James R. Riddle is between 1770-80. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Dream Back the Buffalo, Sing Back the Swan

No Charlie, I just let Old Grouch sleep until breakfast is ready.

Hi Bill. The year of birth for my James R. Riddle is between 1770-80. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Dream Back the Buffalo, Sing Back the Swan Carolyn Condray-Merritt gggranddaughter of Terry Riddle ggggranddaughter of James R. Riddle gggggranddaughter of William Riddle

Jodie what Kentucky lines are you looking for. I am still searching for Lewis Riddle, born about 1778 in Virginia, died about 1850 in Bath County Kentucky. Married Elizabeth Barbee June 14 1803 in Caroline County, Virginia to Bourbon County about 1807 and in Bath County, 1817. Children were John WM. Riddle Sr. married Mary Adeline Myers, Robert Riddle , married Lucinda Bradshaw, Stephen Commodore Riddle married Sarah A. Kerns, Andrew B. Riddle married Mary June Grimsley, Then Elsie Crump, Harrison Riddle married Lyda A. Boyd, and Lewis Riddle, Jr. no other info on him. Any of these sound familiar email me at nbrplez@aol.com

Thanks Carolyn I'll keep looking. A distant cousin has Lemuel as a middle name for his gr-nephew. I'll keep looking for land deeds/wills. So list - if anyone runs across it - please let the list know - thanks. But I know it's a low priority compared to all our brick walls out there - Happy Hunting Jodie

Hello Riddle researchers, Wishing each of you all the best in this new Year 2003! In searching for my LILES, SURBER, STEPHENSON, GOODALE, WATSON, RIDDLE, CAYTON, WOOLUMS, and any other ties I may pick up along the way I've come across another RIDDLE family I've not heard mentioned. Maybe this will help someone. M593 Roll 435 Pg. 411 Kentucky Twp., Jefferson Co., Kansas enumerated 21Jun1870 RIDDLE, Anderson 33 mw farmer b. Kentucky , Aimie or Annie 26 b. Mo. , Allice 5 b. Ks. , James A. 7/12 b. Ks. ************ I don't know of any tie at this time to my Riddle family. ~My genes are hand-me-downs~

Carolyn What is the birth year of your James R Riddle? I've got several in my database and just trying to see where i should put the "R" - Thanks - Jodie In a message dated 1/1/2003 10:33:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Carol24343@aol.com writes: > Hi Bill: As you have probably already read my most recent post, your > Joseph's > middle name more than likely remain a mystery, just as my James R. Riddle's > > middle name. > > Dream Back the Buffalo, Sing Back the Swan > > Carolyn Condray-Merritt >

As the days get longer--the eternal question arises. "DO YOU WAKE UP GR0UCHY IN THE MORNING--OR DO YOU LET HIM SLEEP?" Charlie Riddle/Dulles Airport Va Happy New Year! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now