Don't know if you have this info or not....so I"m passing it along -- Jodie John Riddle, born February 10, 1775 in Montgomery Co., Virginia; died in Pulaski Co., Missouri. He married Sary Johnson 1797 in Hawkins Co., Tennessee; born March 01, 1775 in Surry Co., North Carolina; died 1837 in Pulaski Co., Missouri. Notes for John Riddle: John was apparently left behind when his mother remarried and moved to Tennessee. He was bound at the age of seven in May, 1782, to James Newell until he reached the age of twenty-one. Before he reached that age Newell was ordered to teach him to read, write and cipher to "the rule of three" and at age 21 to pay him the sum of twenty pounds.("The Riddle, Riddell, Ruddel Trail" by Nettie Benson) In a message dated 1/27/2003 3:04:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, driddle@infowest.com writes: > Jackie - You must live down around New Braunfels. Now Rockford - > it really gets cold - hurrah for Texas. I know well where Macon County, MO > is but have no one in my direct Riddle Line from there (That I know of). I > am a descendant of John Riddle (whom is a son of William Thomas Riddle - I > think), then George Drummond Riddle, Mason Varnier Riddle, Guy Drummond > Riddle and my father Roscoe Earl Riddle. They all lived in the > Loraine/Quincy, Adams County, Illinois area. Keep it nice and warm down > there so I can get out of San Antonio with my new car next week. > > Don Riddle > driddle@infowest.com >

Here's a link for some good Carmack info..Jodie http://www.idir.net/~dfitzgibbons/Carmack.htm

In a message dated 1/27/2003 5:02:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cats@personalcomputer.net writes: > did Wm.'s descendants go into Ala and be the Mariah Forge Riddle's Frances William T's Line went mostly west or South to Texas. I will check for any settling in Ala. But from what I understand, the Stokes Co Riddle's mostly went south and to Alabama. Are you familiar with the Riddle Website? <A HREF="http://www.jimcal.com/riddlefam.htm"> http://www.jimcal.com/riddlefam.htm</A> I am not familiar with Mariah Forge is that a place or a person? -- Jodie

A Riddle list subscriber Linda Lane was sweet enough to send me the whole line of Mariah Forge Riddle's. It took me a whole year to organize my paper work, to go from living like an old squirrel with papers stuffed like nests everywhere to being organized. I broke one paper shredder and much to my horror when PoteetGourd@aol.com asked about the Mariah Forge Riddle's of Talladega-the iron workers of Ala who came into Ala from Pa. and I do not have the papers anymore. frances ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dayjovu@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] Mariah Forge Riddle's > In a message dated 1/27/2003 5:02:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Cats@personalcomputer.net writes: > > > did Wm.'s descendants go into Ala and be the Mariah Forge Riddle's > > Frances > > William T's Line went mostly west or South to Texas. I will check for any > settling in Ala. But from what I understand, the Stokes Co Riddle's mostly > went south and to Alabama. Are you familiar with the Riddle Website? <A HREF="http://www.jimcal.com/riddlefam.htm"> > http://www.jimcal.com/riddlefam.htm</A> > > > I am not familiar with Mariah Forge is that a place or a person? -- Jodie > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" in an email to: > RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > RIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

may I butt in to make things even more confusing. Tee Hee Giggle James McClure Sr. born -one says SC possibly and another states Ky; believe LDS has Boone Co.; he is fa of my Wm. McClure (farmer in the 1831 Choctaw Indian census of Ms.); Wm. is the fa of Missouri Ann Blackwell McClure Claiborne Co. Ms. md.1850 to Green Joseph Riddle b. 1824 Ala. prob. Talladega and Green and Missouri had Lula/Mary"Minnie"/George and Green. There is a George Riddle in Boone Co./Rockcastle Ky. in LDS microfish and that is where Kathleen told me James McClure Sr. was born but other source said he landed there. James Jr. and James Sr. were in La. in 1830 and then went back to Ms. or Ky., think Ms.. Next step is Green and Missouri's kids all born in La. even though they lived in Ms.; Green sent Lula and Minnie with their Black Slave Mammie to Catholic Boarding School for safety during Civil War and was alone with little boys George 7 and Green (3 months).Missouri must have died. He obviously remarried a woman named Josephine as she is listed as mo on Lula Riddle Maskew's death record of Waco Tx. Mammie is buried near her, lived to be 105 yrs of age and Dr. James J. Riddle is buried nearby also -tombstone reads b. Talladega 1821-1881. I am left with questions. frances ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Riddle" <rlr007@sbcglobal.net> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] Elizabeth b.1826 > > Hi Jim & Sandy > I have an Elizabeth Riddle b.1826, Boone County, KY. She was the daughter of John Thomas Riddle, who became a Mormon and moved to Utah about 1850. He was my g-g-g-uncle. Could this be your Elizabeth? > Bob Riddle > rlr007@sbcglobal.net > Jim & Sandy Long <cactuspatch@charter.net> wrote:Come on now, I posted an epistle last week on Elizabeth b.1826 KY and haven't heard a peep. Charles makes a booboo and half the country chimes in. If I don't hear from one of you I'm going to pout, maybe eat a worm. Come on now, drag out the old shoe box, look see if you have an Elizabeth RIDDLE b 1826 KY. Thanks again youall for looking. We got down to 9 degrees in Atl, good for the peach crop and out of work plumbers. Jim from GA > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > Contact the Listowner sjblackmon@digitalpassage.com > Whispers from the Past..... > http://www.susanblackmon.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" in an email to: > RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > RIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Jim, I also didn't get your 'epistle' ( even checked my trash bin :>). I have one Elizabeth Riddell (name was originally Riddle/Riddle/Ruddell?). She was born abt 1827 in Estill Co KY, dau of Col. John Hugh Riddell and Elizabeth Mize Riddell. Elizabeth married John Whitehead on 11 Jun 1846 in Estill Co KY. Notes: est co ky marr records, Vol A - 154, signed by Stephen K. Vaught Not noted in father John H. Riddell's will, Will Bk E, Estill Co Ky, dtd 28 Oct 1863, page 97. Isaac Mize book. Says that nothing further is known about her. Est Co Ky marriage permission notes: Certificate of marriage of John Whitehead and Elizabeth Riddell, 9 June 1846, signed George W Maples. John Hugh Riddell is the son of Robert Sr and Mary Hyatt Riddle/Riddell, of Stokes Co NC and Estill Co KY. If this isn't the Elizabeth you're looking for, maybe it will help someone else. Best Regards, Wanda Thomas Flesher

did Wm.'s descendants go into Ala and be the Mariah Forge Riddle's???frances ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dayjovu@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: [RIDDLE] Colonel Winfrey Long + Mary Ann Riddle info > Jim > > In my files, I show a John Long married to an Ailcey Unknown. Their son, > Colonel (name) Winfrey Long married Mary Ann Riddle. Here's a researcher's > info below. Perhaps something will sound familiar. Meanwhile - I'll keep > checking. > > Blessings - Jodie of KY/TN Riddle Line > > > ref: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw& > p=localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.cumberland& > m=913.1063.1086.1077.1088 > > Yes Beckie: > > I would love to trade information with you. > > James Madison Riddle was my grt-grt-grandfather. > His daughter Mary Ann Riddle married Colonel Winfrey Long. > These were my grt-grandparents. > Their daughter, Ailcy Elizabeth Long, married James William Wheeler, in Casey > Co., KY, on 24 June 1888. > Their daughter, Felicia Wheeler, married Fred Louis Bates Feb 1917, in > Jeffersonville, IN. > The eldest son is James Louis Bates (moi). > > C. W. Long and Mary Ann Riddle were married in Cumberland Co., Ky, and left > there about 1873(?) for Casey Co., KY. > James M. Riddle and Sarah (Pruitt) are buried in Scotts Cemetery, near > Burkesville, KY > Mary Ann (Riddle) Long is buried in Caney Fork Cemetery in Casey Co., KY, > near Liberty, Ky. > C. W. Long is buried in an unmarked grave, next to one of his sons Cemetery ? > > Ailcy E. (Long)Wheeler and James W. Wheeler are buried in Magnolia Cemetery > in Magnolia, LaRue Co., KY. > Felicia (Wheeler - Bates) Long (she married Jesse F. Long) is buried in > Centerfield, Oldham Co., Ky. > > That's my pedigree. > > I do have some information on William Thomas (Tory) Riddle. > I have a book - by Mary E. Hill on him. Well researched. > > Jim > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Not all of the dates. Thanks. Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dayjovu@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] John Riddle s/o William T Riddle > Don't know if you have this info or not....so I"m passing it along -- Jodie > > John Riddle, born February 10, 1775 in Montgomery Co., Virginia; died in > Pulaski Co., Missouri. He married Sary Johnson 1797 in Hawkins Co., > Tennessee; born March 01, 1775 in Surry Co., North Carolina; died 1837 in > Pulaski Co., Missouri. > Notes for John Riddle: > John was apparently left behind when his mother remarried and moved to > Tennessee. He was bound at the age of seven in May, 1782, to James Newell > until he reached the age of twenty-one. Before he reached that age Newell was > ordered to teach him to read, write and cipher to "the rule of three" and at > age 21 to pay him the sum of twenty pounds.("The Riddle, Riddell, Ruddel > Trail" by Nettie Benson) > > > > In a message dated 1/27/2003 3:04:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, > driddle@infowest.com writes: > > > Jackie - You must live down around New Braunfels. Now Rockford - > > it really gets cold - hurrah for Texas. I know well where Macon County, MO > > is but have no one in my direct Riddle Line from there (That I know of). I > > am a descendant of John Riddle (whom is a son of William Thomas Riddle - I > > think), then George Drummond Riddle, Mason Varnier Riddle, Guy Drummond > > Riddle and my father Roscoe Earl Riddle. They all lived in the > > Loraine/Quincy, Adams County, Illinois area. Keep it nice and warm down > > there so I can get out of San Antonio with my new car next week. > > > > Don Riddle > > driddle@infowest.com > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > Contact the Listowner sjblackmon@digitalpassage.com > Whispers from the Past..... > http://www.susanblackmon.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

There are 40 Pollock entries in the local area. There is no Carlton nor a Betty or Elizabeth listed. Give me a day or two and I'll see if I can find a city directory. Any other suggestions where I might search? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: <Susie53pollock@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 7:56 AM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] Riddle Weather > Don, I need to find a Carlton Pollock from St. George. Do you think you could > round him up for me? His wife is Betty. We need to correspond with him. He is > my husband's uncle and we want to let him know that we want to see him again. > My Uncle Noah Riddle lived in the San Antonio, TX area for a long time and is > buried somewhere down there. His name was Daniel Noah Riddle, son of Joel and > Rosa Z. Riddle of Carlisle County, KY. > Susie > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" in an email to: > RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > RIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Jim In my files, I show a John Long married to an Ailcey Unknown. Their son, Colonel (name) Winfrey Long married Mary Ann Riddle. Here's a researcher's info below. Perhaps something will sound familiar. Meanwhile - I'll keep checking. Blessings - Jodie of KY/TN Riddle Line ref: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw& p=localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.cumberland& m=913.1063.1086.1077.1088 Yes Beckie: I would love to trade information with you. James Madison Riddle was my grt-grt-grandfather. His daughter Mary Ann Riddle married Colonel Winfrey Long. These were my grt-grandparents. Their daughter, Ailcy Elizabeth Long, married James William Wheeler, in Casey Co., KY, on 24 June 1888. Their daughter, Felicia Wheeler, married Fred Louis Bates Feb 1917, in Jeffersonville, IN. The eldest son is James Louis Bates (moi). C. W. Long and Mary Ann Riddle were married in Cumberland Co., Ky, and left there about 1873(?) for Casey Co., KY. James M. Riddle and Sarah (Pruitt) are buried in Scotts Cemetery, near Burkesville, KY Mary Ann (Riddle) Long is buried in Caney Fork Cemetery in Casey Co., KY, near Liberty, Ky. C. W. Long is buried in an unmarked grave, next to one of his sons Cemetery ? Ailcy E. (Long)Wheeler and James W. Wheeler are buried in Magnolia Cemetery in Magnolia, LaRue Co., KY. Felicia (Wheeler - Bates) Long (she married Jesse F. Long) is buried in Centerfield, Oldham Co., Ky. That's my pedigree. I do have some information on William Thomas (Tory) Riddle. I have a book - by Mary E. Hill on him. Well researched. Jim

While you are blowing heat, turn a couple fan blades toward North Central Texas, We certaintly are not haveing a heat wave either. BRRR!

Hi Jim & Sandy I have an Elizabeth Riddle b.1826, Boone County, KY. She was the daughter of John Thomas Riddle, who became a Mormon and moved to Utah about 1850. He was my g-g-g-uncle. Could this be your Elizabeth? Bob Riddle rlr007@sbcglobal.net Jim & Sandy Long <cactuspatch@charter.net> wrote:Come on now, I posted an epistle last week on Elizabeth b.1826 KY and haven't heard a peep. Charles makes a booboo and half the country chimes in. If I don't hear from one of you I'm going to pout, maybe eat a worm. Come on now, drag out the old shoe box, look see if you have an Elizabeth RIDDLE b 1826 KY. Thanks again youall for looking. We got down to 9 degrees in Atl, good for the peach crop and out of work plumbers. Jim from GA ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== Contact the Listowner sjblackmon@digitalpassage.com Whispers from the Past..... http://www.susanblackmon.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Ok.. Susie

Well done, Susan--thanks for all your good work in our behalf--Jim Riddle

Thaks Jody, close but not a fit. I have reposted. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dayjovu@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] Elizabeth b.1826 > Sorry Jim > Guess the funny posts just catch our eye. After a while all the Elizabeth > Riddle's start to blur.... > > If what Susie just posted isn't your Elizabeth, can you post your epistle > again....I guess I overlooked it too. > > Jodie of the KY/TN Riddle lines > > In a message dated 1/27/2003 9:50:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, > cactuspatch@charter.net writes: > > > Come on now, I posted an epistle last week on Elizabeth b.1826 KY and > > haven't heard a peep. Charles makes a booboo and half the country chimes > > in. If I don't hear from one of you I'm going to pout, maybe eat a worm. > > Come on now, drag out the old shoe box, look see if you have an Elizabeth > > RIDDLE b 1826 KY. Thanks again youall for looking. We got down to 9 > > degrees in Atl, good for the peach crop and out of work plumbers. Jim > > from GA > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" in an email to: > RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > RIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks Susie for the note but we have a different husband and date of death. Reposting the info again we have on Elizabeth. Thanks Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Sandy Long" <cactuspatch@charter.net> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: [RIDDLE] Elizabeth RIDDLE > Searching for parents/siblings of Elizabeth RIDDLE b. 1826. The first document that we have found is her son's death certificate, John Long. It gives his mother, Elizabeth RIDDLE, from KY. Also have found 1860 census with Elizabeth Hurt living with John Long b. 1811 OH and a son John b. 1858 AR. Her first husband was said to have been a physician from VA of KY with the name of Hurt or maybe Hurd. He may have died in the Civil War at the Battle of Pea Ridge. We believe she married this John Long and later divorced him. In 1870 she and her son were living in Grand Rapids, MI. She was listed as Elizabeth Long with son, John Long b. 1858 AR. The family has John's school graduation certificate from Grand Rapids in 1873. Elizabeth married a Cyrus Sauer(s) who died about 1875/6. In 1880 census she is living with her son, John in MI. She is now Elizabeth Sauer and in 1881 they moved to Fresno, CA. and is listed in the City Directory. In the 1900 census Liz Sauer is living in Phoenix AZ. We have traced her to Phoenix, AZ d. 1901. Possibility, that the family was from southeastern part of MO, AR, KY, or OH. Any information is appreciated and you may contact me at cactuspatch@charter.net Thanks, Jim Long

You are most humbly welcome! Susie

Sorry Jim Guess the funny posts just catch our eye. After a while all the Elizabeth Riddle's start to blur.... If what Susie just posted isn't your Elizabeth, can you post your epistle again....I guess I overlooked it too. Jodie of the KY/TN Riddle lines In a message dated 1/27/2003 9:50:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, cactuspatch@charter.net writes: > Come on now, I posted an epistle last week on Elizabeth b.1826 KY and > haven't heard a peep. Charles makes a booboo and half the country chimes > in. If I don't hear from one of you I'm going to pout, maybe eat a worm. > Come on now, drag out the old shoe box, look see if you have an Elizabeth > RIDDLE b 1826 KY. Thanks again youall for looking. We got down to 9 > degrees in Atl, good for the peach crop and out of work plumbers. Jim > from GA >

HEY, Riddle Group.............BINGO!!!! I have, hopefully, THAT Elizabeth b. 1826 in KY. Mine is Elizabeth Ann Riddle, b. Feb. 8, 1826 d. July 1, 1907. Her parents were John Riddle and Martha Cammack who had lived and resided in the Owen County, KY area. This Elizabeth married John G. Bramlette of the Owen County, KY area. I hope this one fits. Yes...it is winter folks. Cold... but the info is starting to get over the net. Thanks Susan for making us all "humble" again. :-) We appreciate your work as listowner. Susie Riddle Pollock Northwestern TN

Don, I need to find a Carlton Pollock from St. George. Do you think you could round him up for me? His wife is Betty. We need to correspond with him. He is my husband's uncle and we want to let him know that we want to see him again. My Uncle Noah Riddle lived in the San Antonio, TX area for a long time and is buried somewhere down there. His name was Daniel Noah Riddle, son of Joel and Rosa Z. Riddle of Carlisle County, KY. Susie