In a message dated 1/27/2003 8:15:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cats@personalcomputer.net writes: > Is this the > Tory who was hanged with his son by that mean crooked judge? I jsut (sp) > can't get it straight. frances > Frances Yes, William Thomas Riddle was hung on the "Tory Oak"; however, given that his "group" was part Native American, at the time the British were promising much to NA that the "colonist" were not. William's wife remarried shortly after. The reason it's suspected that William T's father was Moses Ridley/Riddle is because William had a son named Moses who was about 15 when he and his father were killed. -- Jodie

List I got a response from the owner of the web page referencing John Riddle m. to Mary Higgins. I didn't think I could forward it to the list, so I copied the info below. This John Riddle settled in Laurens Co, SC. -- Jodie Re: Mary Higgins source of info query  Date: 2/9/2003 8:11:33 PM Eastern Standard Time From: <A HREF="mailto:fredd@sonic.net">fredd@sonic.net</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:Dayjovu@aol.com">Dayjovu@aol.com</A> All my Riddle information comes from <underline>An Intimate History of The Family of John Riddle 1775-1855 The first Riddle to settle in Laurens County, SC </underline>Compiled by Mrs. Kathleen R Garrett, Laurens County, South Carolina. It was published in 1987.  About 120 pages. In the first paragraph of the book she states, <italic>"We do not know for certain where John came from, but he settled in Laurens County, South Carolina." </italic>She goes on to state that the Riddles were supposed to have migrated from Pennsylvania through Virginia to South Carolina.  In the first 1790 Federal Census there were no Riddles in Laurens County but in the 1800 census John is listed as head-of-household with a wife and 2 small sons living in Laurens County. She speculates that: <italic>"There is record of an older John Riddle, also married to a Mary, in what is now Kewshaw County, (my note here - there is no Kewshaw county in SC, I think she meant Kershaw county)  SC.  In his will of 9/27/1780, he leaves 'to my loving wife Mary, one third of all my estate real and personal......until my children come to the full age of 21 years......my four children James, John, Patrick, and George.......friends John Fields, Patrick McFadden, and William Twaddle, exrs.'  James made a will in Kershaw (Camden) in 1826.  We find George in York in District in 1810. We do not know what happened to Patrick and can only speculate that possibly this same John as our John who came to Laurens County." </italic>My John married Mary Higgins, they had 12 children and he died in 1855.  His will is on file in Laurens County. It seems that you and I are talking about 2 different John Riddles. -Fredd ------------------------------------------------- At 07:14 PM 2/9/03 EST, you wrote: >>>> My name is Jodie and I am sending this query on behalf of the Riddle discussion group (RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com).  We are wondering if you can tell us the source for your info on the wife of John Riddle b. 1775 being Mary Higgins. Most of us have recorded the following:  John Riddle, born February 10, 1775 in Montgomery Co., Virginia; died in Pulaski Co., Missouri. He married Sary Johnson 1797 in Hawkins Co., Tennessee; born March 01, 1775 in Surry Co., North Carolina; died 1837 in Pulaski Co., Missouri.   Notes for John Riddle: John was apparently left behind when his mother remarried and moved to Tennessee. He was bound at the age of seven in May, 1782, to James Newell until he reached the age of twenty-one. Before he reached that age Newell was ordered to teach him to read, write and cipher to "the rule of three" and at age 21 to pay him the sum of twenty pounds.("The Riddle, Riddell, Ruddel Trail" by Nettie Benson) thanks so much;-- Jodie

Susie I'm still confused. I show a Martha CaRmack married to Johnson Rake Riddle Riddle of KY. Children are [2] Johnson T Riddle, Rosie L Riddle. Lisa Riddle sent me the info by email with a picture of her grandfather, Joseph Lemual riddle, born in 1877 in moultan alabama. But you are saying that there is a John Riddle m. to Martha CAMmack - so it is a different family then? Jodie In a message dated 2/5/2003 5:00:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, Susie53pollock@aol.com writes: > She was born in 1808 and was married to John Riddle of KY. So that is not > the > same Martha Cammack. This Martha's father's name was Beverly Cammack. > Susie >

Jim I can't really answer your question without a aprox. birthdate/place of "your" John Riddle m. to Mary (possibly) Higgins. The info I have on the John Riddle son of William T Riddle [b. 1740 in Flatt River, Orange CO, NC {<A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymercer/grants.html">http://www.rootsweb.com/~kymercer/grants.html</A> } is from Mary V. Hill, Utah, a professional genealogist who researched the grandson of William T. Riddle who became a Morman. The other source I have annotated is "The Riddle, Riddell, Ruddel Trail" by Nettie Benson. But I no longer have the book as it was thru library loan. Wasn't the original discussion on John Riddle born February 10, 1775? Book Notes for John Riddle: John was apparently left behind when his mother remarried and moved to Tennessee. He was bound at the age of seven in May, 1782, to James Newell until he reached the age of twenty-one. Before he reached that age Newell was ordered to teach him to read, write and cipher to "the rule of three" and at age 21 to pay him the sum of twenty pounds.("The Riddle, Riddell, Ruddel Trail" by Nettie Benson) Children of William Thomas Riddle and Harriet "Happy" Jane Rodgers (Note: Parents are speculated to be Moses Riddle + Mary Gibson listed as "Indian" in early Pittsylvania List of Tithables.): Marriage 1 Harriet RODGERS Married: 1770 in PITTSLYVANIA? CO VA Married: 1770 in Virginia Children Moses RIDDLE James RIDDLE b: 1773 in Montgomery Co., VA John RIDDLE b: 10 Feb 1775 in Montgomery Co., VA Isaac William RIDDLE b: Apr 1777 in Montgomery Co, VA Joseph l. RIDDLE b: Apr 1777 in Montgomery Co, VA Harriet RIDDLE b: 1780 in Montgomery Co., VA Thomas RIDDLE b: 1782 In a message dated 2/10/2003 4:10:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, Riddjandd@aol.com writes: > Jodie------when you say that you are descended from Joseph Riddle, John's > brother, are you talking about John Riddle who married Mary Higgins, or > some > other John Riddle----we were not aware of any brothers of John------Jim > Riddle, descended from Harrison Riddle, son of John and Mary > >

I certainly expected to hear from the Buffalo. You are the biggest enabler of this spam. Perhaps personal email would be more suitable. Site administrator, where are you??? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Carol24343@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] Not Your Day! > I happen to enjoy Charlie's "words of wisdom". His jokes usually make me > laugh and sometimes groan, and in this world of cheerless news, they are > welcomed. > > Dream Back the Buffalo, Sing Back the Swan > > Carolyn Condray-Merritt > gggranddaughter of Terry Riddle > ggggranddaughter of James R. Riddle > gggggranddaughter of William Riddle > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" in an email to: > RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > RIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I realize that this site is supposed to be strictly for finding Riddle families, but...........you need to lighten up!! The Riddle families seem to be a fairly close knit group and if you don't want to participate in all that goes along with being a family, perhaps you should opt out of this message board. Getting a personal note once in awhile, or a joke or a comment about the weather is certainly not spam! -----Original Message----- From: jlmays@vzinet.com [mailto:jlmays@vzinet.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 12:46 PM To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] Not Your Day! I certainly expected to hear from the Buffalo. You are the biggest enabler of this spam. Perhaps personal email would be more suitable. Site administrator, where are you??? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Carol24343@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] Not Your Day! > I happen to enjoy Charlie's "words of wisdom". His jokes usually make me > laugh and sometimes groan, and in this world of cheerless news, they are > welcomed. > > Dream Back the Buffalo, Sing Back the Swan > > Carolyn Condray-Merritt > gggranddaughter of Terry Riddle > ggggranddaughter of James R. Riddle > gggggranddaughter of William Riddle > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" in an email to: > RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or > RIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, please send the command "unsubscribe" in an email to: RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com (if in mail mode) or RIDDLE-D-request@rootsweb.com (if in digest mode) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I happen to enjoy Charlie's "words of wisdom". His jokes usually make me laugh and sometimes groan, and in this world of cheerless news, they are welcomed. Dream Back the Buffalo, Sing Back the Swan Carolyn Condray-Merritt gggranddaughter of Terry Riddle ggggranddaughter of James R. Riddle gggggranddaughter of William Riddle

Please read the Notice under Riddle Mailing List below. ----- Original Message ----- From: "WFCR Radio/Charlie Riddle" <wfcradio@yahoo.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 9:19 AM Subject: [RIDDLE] Not Your Day! > > You know its not your day when--- you call the police on your cell phone and report someone stealing your steering wheel. > > When the police arrive on the scene--you are sitting in the back seat.(True story--not me but a person in LA --Lower Alabama) > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

You know its not your day when--- you call the police on your cell phone and report someone stealing your steering wheel. When the police arrive on the scene--you are sitting in the back seat.(True story--not me but a person in LA --Lower Alabama) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day

then he does not have a Joseph Riddle or a Wm. Riddle md. to a Green? Possibly Green Joseph Riddle was named after his mother's maiden name. frances ----- Original Message ----- From: <Riddjandd@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] John Riddle (1775-1855)and Mary Higgins, SC, > I have copies of the Leonardo Andrea collection from the archives in > Columbia, SC-----there is a page showing John Riddle of Laurens with wife > "Mary", but no last name---it shows 10 children but omits William and > James-----I feel very confident that Mary's name was Higgins and that she is > the daughter of one of the many Higgins families shown in the 1790 census in > Laurens---but not the daughter of William as we have tried to connect her to, > as the census shows no daughters in the household----my guess would be James, > John or Newton---all names of John and Mary's sons----in the absence of a > will for any of these Higgins, we may never know the full story------ Jim > Riddle > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > Contact the Listowner sjblackmon@digitalpassage.com > Whispers from the Past..... > http://www.susanblackmon.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Does anyone have any info on a Samuel Riddle living in Cnty Tyrone in 1834 Thanks for any help Kathy in Pa

I have copies of the Leonardo Andrea collection from the archives in Columbia, SC-----there is a page showing John Riddle of Laurens with wife "Mary", but no last name---it shows 10 children but omits William and James-----I feel very confident that Mary's name was Higgins and that she is the daughter of one of the many Higgins families shown in the 1790 census in Laurens---but not the daughter of William as we have tried to connect her to, as the census shows no daughters in the household----my guess would be James, John or Newton---all names of John and Mary's sons----in the absence of a will for any of these Higgins, we may never know the full story------ Jim Riddle

Jodie------when you say that you are descended from Joseph Riddle, John's brother, are you talking about John Riddle who married Mary Higgins, or some other John Riddle----we were not aware of any brothers of John------Jim Riddle, descended from Harrison Riddle, son of John and Mary

I found a web page <A HREF="http://www.sonic.net/~fredd/ged/g0000020.html#I1133">http://www.sonic.net/~fredd/ged/g0000020.html#I1133</A> stating so but no sources. I emailed the author to see if he can provide more info. ......mailto:fredd@sonic.net only note on site is: In 1804 purchased 130 acres from William Higgins on the Beaverdam Creek of the Enoree River. 1806 purchased 100 acres on a branch of Warrior Creek, part of a land grant to Lewis Devall. Sincerely, Jodie of Joseph L. Riddle's Line (John's younger brother) n a message dated 2/9/2003 1:35:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, BPutnam275@aol.com writes: > Well, I don't see a lot of folks responding to Jim Riddle's invite on this > subject so let's start with basics. > > Does anyone have any real evidence that Mary's name was Higgins? > > Bill Putnam > >

also have you ever looked at the Riddle files/folders of the Andreas Files of Leonardo Andreas geneologist of SC? I haven't and keep meaning to order them through AGLL; he may have the Higgins in there also. Have heard he made a few mistakes but was one heck of a geneologist. frances ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dayjovu@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] John Riddle (1775-1855)and Mary Higgins, SC, > I found a web page <A HREF="http://www.sonic.net/~fredd/ged/g0000020.html#I1133">http://www.sonic. net/~fredd/ged/g0000020.html#I1133</A> > > stating so but no sources. I emailed the author to see if he can provide > more info. ......mailto:fredd@sonic.net > only note on site is: > > In 1804 purchased 130 acres from William Higgins on the Beaverdam Creek > of the Enoree River. > 1806 purchased 100 acres on a branch of Warrior Creek, part of a land grant > to Lewis Devall. > > Sincerely, Jodie of Joseph L. Riddle's Line (John's younger brother) > > n a message dated 2/9/2003 1:35:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, > BPutnam275@aol.com writes: > > > Well, I don't see a lot of folks responding to Jim Riddle's invite on this > > subject so let's start with basics. > > > > Does anyone have any real evidence that Mary's name was Higgins? > > > > Bill Putnam > > > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

this is off the subject; my Riddle is Green Joseph of Ala., mo b. S.C. but a Mary Higgins md. 1830 Claiborne Co Ms. to James McClure in my line. She may be descended from the SC group as James McClure may be also; he had landed in Ky., one says he was born there, another not. This McClure line is Choctaw Indian line. frances ----- Original Message ----- From: <Dayjovu@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE] John Riddle (1775-1855)and Mary Higgins, SC, > I found a web page <A HREF="http://www.sonic.net/~fredd/ged/g0000020.html#I1133">http://www.sonic. net/~fredd/ged/g0000020.html#I1133</A> > > stating so but no sources. I emailed the author to see if he can provide > more info. ......mailto:fredd@sonic.net > only note on site is: > > In 1804 purchased 130 acres from William Higgins on the Beaverdam Creek > of the Enoree River. > 1806 purchased 100 acres on a branch of Warrior Creek, part of a land grant > to Lewis Devall. > > Sincerely, Jodie of Joseph L. Riddle's Line (John's younger brother) > > n a message dated 2/9/2003 1:35:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, > BPutnam275@aol.com writes: > > > Well, I don't see a lot of folks responding to Jim Riddle's invite on this > > subject so let's start with basics. > > > > Does anyone have any real evidence that Mary's name was Higgins? > > > > Bill Putnam > > > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Well, I don't see a lot of folks responding to Jim Riddle's invite on this subject so let's start with basics. Does anyone have any real evidence that Mary's name was Higgins? Bill Putnam

regarding the junk email that AOL users are getting I get alot for AOL users themselve I report a spam and have them block and even on the regular email. I have noticed since I am blocking them and I do reply to stop sending eventually it will stop or at lease slow down.. some. give it a try it do cost anything

Well J Riddle Parker, you hit me to a T. I get so disgusted each time I scroll through and see the Subject line, and I begin deleting. wrak

Wrak, Re: Spam Filter's. Those things can be a real pain when they are installed on your server's main operating system. They will block spam, but will also keep some e-mails from getting through to you as well. Seems they recognize some individuals as an advertisement or business, and bounce them back. Have several family and friends that it has happened to with their servers. Was a bad problem as some of them were replies to message board or "List" queries on surnames. I have had AOL for two years and have never had a spam problem. It all depends on where your e-mail address ends up, that is if you order off the net, or the address is posted somewhere, then you are "free game" for the spam senders. Those spam filters are hard to disable too, the ISP techs do not want to be bothered with disabling it to your e-mail address, so will say is your "Outlook Express" or is a problem with the sender's ISP, but "returned message" will plainly state, "due to spam filter". If you have not personally installed one, then it is in the main operating system of the ISP, and they can be more trouble than they are worth, especially to a researcher who has posted queries on various message boards and lists. J Riddle Parker