Cathy, I have the same info as Mary. William, born in May 1802 in Clinch River, Hawkins Co., Tennessee, and William born about 1814 in Boone Co., Kentucky. I didn't notice before that there were two Williams listed. In the data I have they are both "dead ends" with no descendents. Gaylon

Hi Laura, The Western Cherokee Tribe dropped a member from their roll if the person moved off the reservation and if they moved back onto the reservation, they were added to the roll again. This was very common where a Cherokee woman married a white man and moved off the reservation with him. Good Luck, Cathie -----Original Message----- From: Laura L. Clark <clarkfla@innw.net> To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] Fw: Indian connection >Hey, everyone... >I know that my John Riddle was part Indian. We have always been under the >impression that he was Cherokee. I have not sent off for any solid >information from the Dawes Rolls, or Millers Rolls. But I do have John's >application numbers and his wife, Sarah Lundry's application numbers. >I also remember that the BIA advised me in a letter that if they moved off >the Indian property, they somehow lost their rights as Indians, that is. >I have not attempted to get the proof, as the BIA wants proof of ancestry, >which I do not have. I know certain facts, as they are proven. This is by >marriage licenses, and by lore handed down to relatives that can still show >us the right graves, and most of what they have said has panned out as >truth. Maybe a couple of years off, but still the truth. Census reports >have also proven ancestry. >But when our John Riddle moved to Missouri, and then one of his sons (the >only one we know about) moves down to Randolph County, Arkansas, this is >where the proof is lost. The original court house burned down, and my >grandmother could never prove when she was born, or to whom she was born. >I now have a picture of my g-g-grandfather, thanks to a new cousin (Erv >Riddle), and he does look like an Indian. Many have said he looks >full-blooded Cherokee. My scanner is on the blitz, so I cannot scan this >picture and put it on the net. Wish I could. There is also a picture of >Meredith's daughter, Aunt Jennie Riddle White. She definitely does not look >like an Indian! Or at least not to me. >So, if anyone has a way to check the Dawes Rolls without proving ancestry or >saying to which tribe or clan of which tribe, let me know. I will find >those numbers again, and we can ascertain what the records say about this >Riddle branch. > >Sincerely, >Laura Clark >-----Original Message----- >From: Mary Hill <mevhill@burgoyne.com> >To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:36 PM >Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] Fw: Indian connection > > >>I have records I found last month of William Riddle, a white man, who >>married a Choctaw woman, Cathy. He was an interpreter for the Choctaw >>nation and died in 1818. His sons and grandchildren are on the Choctaw >>rolls right up to the 20th century. >> >>Mary Hill >> >>At 04:42 PM 7/8/1999 EDT, you wrote: >>>Thanks Diane, it doesn't help now because I just don't know enough, but I >>>will keep the info and it might come in handy later. There have been so >many >>>references to Riddles being at least part Cherokee that I believe that >it's >>>so. Charlotte A. >>> >>> >>>==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >>>----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ >>> Do you have an idea for this space? >>> E-mail the ListMom for more information! >>> rebecca@collector.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >>----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ >> Do you have an idea for this space? >> E-mail the ListMom for more information! >> rebecca@collector.org >> >> >> >> > > >==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List-------------- > We have new subscribers since you last posted your RIDDLE Query... > What if they hold the key to unlock YOUR research quandaries? > You'll never know unless you post again! > RIDDLE-L@RootsWeb.com > >

the only other information I have on William A. Riddle is the initials of his wife, S. A. b. 7/13/1854. ( This info. was passed on to me and I have yet to personally prove it) I wish I could supply more and by placing it on the list, I was hoping to fill in a few more blanks myself. Tom -----Original Message----- From: CARLENET@aol.com <CARLENET@aol.com> To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] Descendants of Stephen Riddle >I am very interested in your William A Riddle b1829 d1892 in Marion Co >IA....My gg grandfather was William Alexander Riddle m Mary Evangeline >Scott....my great grandfather was William Alexander Riddle Jr b 7/10/1861 d ? >b Des Moines IA m Anna Bell Arrowood. This is as close as I have seen even >on this list to being someone I think could be MINE! Please respond! > > >==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >---------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List---------------- > Want to unsubscribe, and did not save your instructions? > Visit the RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List webpage to see how! > http://medgen.iupui.edu/~rebecca/roots/riddle.html > > >

Cathy, I've taken the family fact sheet that you posted awhile back and expanded on it. John Riddle b. 6/24/1764 Rowan Co., NC? d. 10/15/1826 Rowan Co., NC m. Mary Keehn Children of John and Mary: William Riddle b. 8/19/1791 Stephen Riddle b. 4/18/1796, Davie Co., NC d. 1/11/1879, Marion Co., IA m. Mary "Polly " Elrod 6/24/1819 in Washington Co., IN She was b. 1/15/1787 Forsyth Co., NC d. 4/20/1861 in Lucas Co., IA Anna Riddle b. 8/3/1800 m. Leonard McBride Penelope Riddle m. Josiah Taylor 2/28/1828 Rowan Co., NC Polly Riddle m. George Rector 7/31/1828 Rowan Co., NC Sarah Riddle b. 10/12/1798 Children of Stephen and Polly Elrod Riddle: John G. Riddle b. 12/24/1819 IN Anginettu Riddle b. 3/27/1822 IN Wilie Riddle b. 4/12/1824 IN Elizabeth Riddle b. 7/7/1826 IN Henry b. IN Benjamin Riddle b. IN William A. Riddle b. 3/21/1829 IN d. 1/31/1892 Marion Co., IA Eli Riddle b. 6/14/1832 IN d. 1/5/1902 Barton Co., MO m. Augusta Coons 9/29/1860 in Marion Co., IA Augusta b. 10/20/1838 in NY d. 5/18/1909 Barton Co., MO Augusta had a twin brother Augustus. Children of Eli and Augusta: Mary Annie Riddle b. 10/6/1861 Lucas Co., IA d. 5/28/1880 Marion Co., IA? George Weaver Riddle b. 6/5/1863 Lucas Co., IA d. 9/3/1935 (Funeral) Sheldon, Vernon Co., MO m. Estella Lee Bryant 6/1/1890 New Market, Platte Co., MO Stella b. 2/3/1868 Crab Orchard, Lincoln Co., KY d. 1/28/1922 St Joseph, MO Harriet Jane"Hallie" Riddle b. 1/17/1865 Lucas Co., IA d. 7/25/1943 m Charles F. Baltzell 6/3/1891 ( Hallie married 2nd, a Mr. Bayless, after Samuel died.) Frances Sarah Riddle b. 6/12/1867 Lucas Co., IA d. 6/12/1924, Webb City, Jasper Co., MO m. Samuel T. Newell 12/24/1891 Austa Caroline Riddle b. 9/22/1869 in Lucas Co., IA d. 7/7/1951 m. Stacy Brown Barcroft 3/31/1897 Melinda Ellen Riddle b. 4/16/1872 Marion Co., IA d. 5/11/1916 Carterville, Jasper Co., MO m. George Sidney Baltzell 11/6/1895 Charles Henry Riddle b. 5/8/1875 Marion Co., IA d. 6/11/1951 m. Laura Emma Thomas 9/7/1898 (He was living in Molalla, OR, when George Weaver died) William Austin Riddle b. 9/28/1878 Marion Co., IA d. 5/22/1914 m. Iva Shaver 3/10/1901 Any additional information would be greatly appreciated. Tom

In a message dated 7/8/99 10:17:13 PM Mountain Daylight Time, mevhill@burgoyne.com writes: << it is not wise for us on the Riddle List to open an email which has no address and no subject line. >> Mary, Reading an email message will not "infect" your computer with a virus. Only opening an "infected" attachment will. At least that is how I understand it. So, don't download any attachments unless they are from someone you know and trust. Phil

It would be alot simpliar if we could all meet down at the Lab. and take the DNA test, boy wouldn't that be a kick. It would have saved me almost 2 years to find out that I really belong to this bunch. I still have not comfirmed it but someday, someone is going to find my Sammy b. 1790 in Maryland or? Mike Conners ----- Original Message ----- From: <Wrakj1234@aol.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] Fw: Indian connection > I probably should not mention this but if there are any of you with a dentist > appointment soon, have him check your cuspids. Which one I have forgotten but > a > dentist can look at your teeth, one of them anyway and tell you if you are of > Indian > Ancestry. The next time I see this fellah I will ask him and stick it on > here. He found > out he was that way and it was proof so I guess we do not have to have our DNA > to check this out after all. I wonder if we could tell by our DNA. I would > have mine > checked to know wouldn't you? > wrakj > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > -----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List---------------- > Want to unsubscribe, and did not save your instructions? > Visit the RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List webpage to see how! > http://medgen.iupui.edu/~rebecca/roots/riddle.html > > > > >

I am very interested in your William A Riddle b1829 d1892 in Marion Co IA....My gg grandfather was William Alexander Riddle m Mary Evangeline Scott....my great grandfather was William Alexander Riddle Jr b 7/10/1861 d ? b Des Moines IA m Anna Bell Arrowood. This is as close as I have seen even on this list to being someone I think could be MINE! Please respond!

Ms. Clark; The LDS has all 93 rolls of the Dawes application and they are in order by application number. If you have an application number on John, then use the 1st roll which is the index to figure out which of the other 93 is the roll you need to search. These applications have an enormous amount of information from parents and all their children to grandparents and all their children but most importantly it contains a direct link by name to the Indian that is the source of the heritage. As far as BIA, all you need to do is provide necessary documentation that you are related to any individual in that lineage that is in a biological line of the enrollee...i.e., if you have documentation on one of his brother's or sisters or aunt's or uncles, the actual lineage is done then through them as the source of enrollment. As far as Cherokee, if you have access to an LDS, its rather easy....Choctaw which I believe most of the Riddles to be except the William F. line; Seminole, Creek, etc, are a little more difficult but LDS is truly the place to start. If you have access the the Haistains Land Tract books of Choctaw lands there are 42 Riddles listed (one is John W. Riddle) and it gives the actual plot of the land and their Choctaw enrollment number. I probably said to much already, wish you luck. Dewey Cline.....Still looking for J.P. Riddle (John Preston) -----Original Message----- From: Laura L. Clark <clarkfla@innw.net> To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, July 09, 1999 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] Fw: Indian connection >Hey, everyone... >I know that my John Riddle was part Indian. We have always been under the >impression that he was Cherokee. I have not sent off for any solid >information from the Dawes Rolls, or Millers Rolls. But I do have John's >application numbers and his wife, Sarah Lundry's application numbers. >I also remember that the BIA advised me in a letter that if they moved off >the Indian property, they somehow lost their rights as Indians, that is. >I have not attempted to get the proof, as the BIA wants proof of ancestry, >which I do not have. I know certain facts, as they are proven. This is by >marriage licenses, and by lore handed down to relatives that can still show >us the right graves, and most of what they have said has panned out as >truth. Maybe a couple of years off, but still the truth. Census reports >have also proven ancestry. >But when our John Riddle moved to Missouri, and then one of his sons (the >only one we know about) moves down to Randolph County, Arkansas, this is >where the proof is lost. The original court house burned down, and my >grandmother could never prove when she was born, or to whom she was born. >I now have a picture of my g-g-grandfather, thanks to a new cousin (Erv >Riddle), and he does look like an Indian. Many have said he looks >full-blooded Cherokee. My scanner is on the blitz, so I cannot scan this >picture and put it on the net. Wish I could. There is also a picture of >Meredith's daughter, Aunt Jennie Riddle White. She definitely does not look >like an Indian! Or at least not to me. >So, if anyone has a way to check the Dawes Rolls without proving ancestry or >saying to which tribe or clan of which tribe, let me know. I will find >those numbers again, and we can ascertain what the records say about this >Riddle branch. > >Sincerely, >Laura Clark >-----Original Message----- >From: Mary Hill <mevhill@burgoyne.com> >To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:36 PM >Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] Fw: Indian connection > > >>I have records I found last month of William Riddle, a white man, who >>married a Choctaw woman, Cathy. He was an interpreter for the Choctaw >>nation and died in 1818. His sons and grandchildren are on the Choctaw >>rolls right up to the 20th century. >> >>Mary Hill >> >>At 04:42 PM 7/8/1999 EDT, you wrote: >>>Thanks Diane, it doesn't help now because I just don't know enough, but I >>>will keep the info and it might come in handy later. There have been so >many >>>references to Riddles being at least part Cherokee that I believe that >it's >>>so. Charlotte A. >>> >>> >>>==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >>>----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ >>> Do you have an idea for this space? >>> E-mail the ListMom for more information! >>> rebecca@collector.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >>----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ >> Do you have an idea for this space? >> E-mail the ListMom for more information! >> rebecca@collector.org >> >> >> >> > > >==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List-------------- > We have new subscribers since you last posted your RIDDLE Query... > What if they hold the key to unlock YOUR research quandaries? > You'll never know unless you post again! > RIDDLE-L@RootsWeb.com > > >

--WebTV-Mail-3962-201 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hello Laura! You can see the Dawes Rolls: Choctaws & Creek Indians and some other tribes as well, very easily by visiting most any local "Federal Archives" Branch location! The first microfilm roll is often held at the reference desk (it its the "surname index roll"). I think they have the Miller Rolls there too! I believe it was some years ago (about 1979) these records where closed up (for privacy)? But, whatever that was about; I am uncertain? You can see them freely now however! Regards, Russ --WebTV-Mail-3962-201 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.99) by postoffice-231.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by mailsorter-102-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id NAA04763; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12091; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00a201beca4a$3574f2c0$1021cbcc@h6f5e6> From: "Laura L. Clark" <clarkfla@innw.net> Old-To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] Fw: Indian connection Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:32:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <y9ux1D.A.w8C.3qlh3@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/3948 X-Loop: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: RIDDLE-L-request@rootsweb.com Hey, everyone... I know that my John Riddle was part Indian. We have always been under the impression that he was Cherokee. I have not sent off for any solid information from the Dawes Rolls, or Millers Rolls. But I do have John's application numbers and his wife, Sarah Lundry's application numbers. I also remember that the BIA advised me in a letter that if they moved off the Indian property, they somehow lost their rights as Indians, that is. I have not attempted to get the proof, as the BIA wants proof of ancestry, which I do not have. I know certain facts, as they are proven. This is by marriage licenses, and by lore handed down to relatives that can still show us the right graves, and most of what they have said has panned out as truth. Maybe a couple of years off, but still the truth. Census reports have also proven ancestry. But when our John Riddle moved to Missouri, and then one of his sons (the only one we know about) moves down to Randolph County, Arkansas, this is where the proof is lost. The original court house burned down, and my grandmother could never prove when she was born, or to whom she was born. I now have a picture of my g-g-grandfather, thanks to a new cousin (Erv Riddle), and he does look like an Indian. Many have said he looks full-blooded Cherokee. My scanner is on the blitz, so I cannot scan this picture and put it on the net. Wish I could. There is also a picture of Meredith's daughter, Aunt Jennie Riddle White. She definitely does not look like an Indian! Or at least not to me. So, if anyone has a way to check the Dawes Rolls without proving ancestry or saying to which tribe or clan of which tribe, let me know. I will find those numbers again, and we can ascertain what the records say about this Riddle branch. Sincerely, Laura Clark -----Original Message----- From: Mary Hill <mevhill@burgoyne.com> To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] Fw: Indian connection >I have records I found last month of William Riddle, a white man, who >married a Choctaw woman, Cathy. He was an interpreter for the Choctaw >nation and died in 1818. His sons and grandchildren are on the Choctaw >rolls right up to the 20th century. > >Mary Hill > >At 04:42 PM 7/8/1999 EDT, you wrote: >>Thanks Diane, it doesn't help now because I just don't know enough, but I >>will keep the info and it might come in handy later. There have been so many >>references to Riddles being at least part Cherokee that I believe that it's >>so. Charlotte A. >> >> >>==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >>----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ >> Do you have an idea for this space? >> E-mail the ListMom for more information! >> rebecca@collector.org >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ > Do you have an idea for this space? > E-mail the ListMom for more information! > rebecca@collector.org > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== ----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List-------------- We have new subscribers since you last posted your RIDDLE Query... What if they hold the key to unlock YOUR research quandaries? You'll never know unless you post again! RIDDLE-L@RootsWeb.com --WebTV-Mail-3962-201--

Hey, everyone... I know that my John Riddle was part Indian. We have always been under the impression that he was Cherokee. I have not sent off for any solid information from the Dawes Rolls, or Millers Rolls. But I do have John's application numbers and his wife, Sarah Lundry's application numbers. I also remember that the BIA advised me in a letter that if they moved off the Indian property, they somehow lost their rights as Indians, that is. I have not attempted to get the proof, as the BIA wants proof of ancestry, which I do not have. I know certain facts, as they are proven. This is by marriage licenses, and by lore handed down to relatives that can still show us the right graves, and most of what they have said has panned out as truth. Maybe a couple of years off, but still the truth. Census reports have also proven ancestry. But when our John Riddle moved to Missouri, and then one of his sons (the only one we know about) moves down to Randolph County, Arkansas, this is where the proof is lost. The original court house burned down, and my grandmother could never prove when she was born, or to whom she was born. I now have a picture of my g-g-grandfather, thanks to a new cousin (Erv Riddle), and he does look like an Indian. Many have said he looks full-blooded Cherokee. My scanner is on the blitz, so I cannot scan this picture and put it on the net. Wish I could. There is also a picture of Meredith's daughter, Aunt Jennie Riddle White. She definitely does not look like an Indian! Or at least not to me. So, if anyone has a way to check the Dawes Rolls without proving ancestry or saying to which tribe or clan of which tribe, let me know. I will find those numbers again, and we can ascertain what the records say about this Riddle branch. Sincerely, Laura Clark -----Original Message----- From: Mary Hill <mevhill@burgoyne.com> To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] Fw: Indian connection >I have records I found last month of William Riddle, a white man, who >married a Choctaw woman, Cathy. He was an interpreter for the Choctaw >nation and died in 1818. His sons and grandchildren are on the Choctaw >rolls right up to the 20th century. > >Mary Hill > >At 04:42 PM 7/8/1999 EDT, you wrote: >>Thanks Diane, it doesn't help now because I just don't know enough, but I >>will keep the info and it might come in handy later. There have been so many >>references to Riddles being at least part Cherokee that I believe that it's >>so. Charlotte A. >> >> >>==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >>----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ >> Do you have an idea for this space? >> E-mail the ListMom for more information! >> rebecca@collector.org >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ > Do you have an idea for this space? > E-mail the ListMom for more information! > rebecca@collector.org > > > >

I probably should not mention this but if there are any of you with a dentist appointment soon, have him check your cuspids. Which one I have forgotten but a dentist can look at your teeth, one of them anyway and tell you if you are of Indian Ancestry. The next time I see this fellah I will ask him and stick it on here. He found out he was that way and it was proof so I guess we do not have to have our DNA to check this out after all. I wonder if we could tell by our DNA. I would have mine checked to know wouldn't you? wrakj

At 12:17 AM 7/9/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Hello Jim Hartung and Richard Riddle, > SNIP > >Weather my Mary and her parents James Riddle and Jane Br????n are >descendants of this branch of Riddles, remains to be seen. Obviously is >was the Britton connection that drew my attention since I�ve been unable >to find out much about them. > SNIP > >Now the question is this; We have what appears to be two families with >both the Britton/ Riddle names in TN., almost 40 years before Benjamin >Britton Riddle. Do you think there�s a possible connection here?? > SNIP > >Well, That�s my story. I�m open to any thoughts, comments and suggestions >either of you have. > >Looking forward to hearing from you, > >Bob Boone > SNIP > Another RIDDLE/BRITTAN connection follows. Arnie Johnson Family Group Record ============================================================ ============== Husband: William RIDDLE Sr. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Birth: 1771 BALLYBLACK, COUNTY DOWN, ULSTER, Ireland Death: 12 Apr 1848 SPRING TWP, CENTRE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA Burial: Marriage: abt 1799 Father: John RIDDLE (b 1740) Mother: MARGARET MOORE (b abt 1760) ============================================================ ============== Wife: Sarah BRITTAN - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- Birth: abt 1780 Death: 18 Oct 1846 Burial: ============================================================ ============== Children ============================================================ ============== 1 F Elizabeth BETSEY RIDDLE Birth: abt 1800 SPRING TWP, CENTRE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA Death: Burial: Spouse: John ROBISON - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 2 F MARGARET RIDDLE Birth: 12 Apr 1803 SPRING TWP, CENTRE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA Death: 14 Apr 1888 Burial: Spouse: PERRY - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 3 M HUGH M. RIDDLE Birth: abt 1804 SPRING TWP, CENTRE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA Death: 1831 SPRING TWP, CENTRE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA Burial: Marriage: - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 4 M William RIDDLE Jr. Birth: 9 Aug 1806 SPRING TWP, CENTRE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA Death: 8 Oct 1879 , CENTRE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA Burial: Spouse: MARGARET SWEENEY (m 8 May 1834) Spouse: AGNES P. TAYLOR (m abt 1844) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 5 F Nancy RIDDLE Birth: abt 1808 SPRING TWP, CENTRE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA Death: bef 1880 Burial: Spouse: John NEAL - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 6 M John S. RIDDLE Birth: 6 Mar 1810 SPRING TWP, CENTRE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA Death: aft 1880 Burial: Spouse: Jane MOONY (m 3 Mar 1836) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- 7 M MATTHEW RIDDLE Birth: 1815 SPRING TWP, CENTRE COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA Death: 11 Apr 1878 , SEDGWICK COUNTY, Kansas Burial: STAR CEMETERY, Mt Hope, Kansas Spouse: Elizabeth ANN BAIRD (m 5 Nov 1840)

Hi Riddle List: My husband's family is descended from Isaac who's son was Joseph Pierce Riddle born June 9, 1810, Boone County, Kentucky and died 1873 DeWitt County, Texas. We are descended from Joseph's son, Thomas Elam Riddle born September 2, 1838, and died May 23, 1934, in Rockdale, Milam County, Texas. Pam Riddle

My grandmother, Lily Belle Grammar-Riddle, never saw her father as he left AL for Texas when my ggrandmother was 7 months pregnant. He was Cherokee, according to family stories, and went to Texas to claim land promised by the government. Haven't really researched this line yet...but know he had a family there and have the names of two of his sons. Anyone have the surname of Hawkins they are working on? ---------- From: Mary Hill <mevhill@burgoyne.com> To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] Fw: Indian connection Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:31 PM I have records I found last month of William Riddle, a white man, who married a Choctaw woman, Cathy. He was an interpreter for the Choctaw nation and died in 1818. His sons and grandchildren are on the Choctaw rolls right up to the 20th century. Mary Hill At 04:42 PM 7/8/1999 EDT, you wrote: >Thanks Diane, it doesn't help now because I just don't know enough, but I >will keep the info and it might come in handy later. There have been so many >references to Riddles being at least part Cherokee that I believe that it's >so. Charlotte A. > > >==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ > Do you have an idea for this space? > E-mail the ListMom for more information! > rebecca@collector.org > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== ----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ Do you have an idea for this space? E-mail the ListMom for more information! rebecca@collector.org

Thanks Mary, I'm still digging. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Hill <mevhill@burgoyne.com> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] [RIDDLE-LIST] > Hi, > > Isaac William Riddle did not have a son named Samuel. > > Mary Hill > > At 05:32 PM 7/8/1999 -0700, you wrote: > >Gaylon: > >Issac did he have any children by the name of Samuel. You or the book > >mentioned Issac had several children. being born in 1777, could it be poss. > >that he had a son by the name of Samuel being born in the 90's, possibly > >1795 or so. > >Mike Conners > >conners@jps.net > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Gaylon Cameron <gcameron@bluebonnet.net> > >To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 5:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] [RIDDLE-LIST] > > > > > >> >From "The Way It Was" Copyright 1983 by John Marion Ellis, II. > >> Chapter 1 Page 2 > >> "In 1847 a thirth-family wagon train arrived in East Texas, bringing > >> among others the Riddle family, including a young daughter, Susan Delphia > >> Riddle who soon turned Cuff's mind away from Indian girls. Before long > >> they were married, and Cuff built a log cabin on some upland between White > >> Oak and Cypress creeks, and began raising a family. > >> Originally Thomas Riddle had come from England and settled in South > >> Carolina where he joined the South Carolina Militia. While fighting for > >> independence under General Francis Marion during the American Revolution, > >> Thomas Riddle was captured and hanged by the British. He left a boy, > >> Isacc, born in 1777, who grew up in Kentucky, married and had several > >> children. In 1846, one of Isaac's sons, John Riddle, became interested in > >> the Mormon religion after Joseph Smith, the Mormon prophet, was murdered > >by > >> a mob. Smith's colony of converts were left in Illinois without > >> leadership. Brigham Young took over and John Riddle joined Brigham Young > >> and other Mormons and went to Utah. Isaac Riddle and his family left > >> Northern Kentucky for Texas in 1847. They cut down trees, split and hewed > >> logs to match, bound them together as flat boats, loaded their families > >and > >> all their belongongs and began floating down the Cumberland River to the > >> Ohio. They floated through the mouth of the Ohio, down the Mississippi to > >> the mouth of the Red River, and back up to Shreveport where they joined a > >> caravan heading West, ending up eventually in the Bottom." > >> > >> > >> The "Cuff" referred to in the story is Leazerec Anders Cochran, great > >> grandfather of the author of this book. This story goes to show that, > >just > >> because it's in a book, doesn't meen it is true. > >> > >> Gaylon in Mt. Pleasant, ggg-grandson of Isaac Riddle. > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------- > >> > From: Russell D Merryman <RDMerry@webtv.net> > >> > To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > >> > Subject: [RIDDLE-L] [RIDDLE-LIST] > >> > Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 6:39 PM > >> > > >> > Hello Riddle List!! > >> > > >> > I was wondering if anyone owns a copy of the book - Pioneers and > >> > heroes of Titus County? And in this book does it tell of one America > >> > Jane Riddle and husband? I think it says therein some where the > >> > following, "William (refering to her husband) migrated to Texas about > >> > 1846. In making their way to Texas it seems they boated down the Ohio > >> > and MIssissippi Rivers to the Gulf, then through Jefferson City and from > >> > there overland to Mt. Pleasant, Texas...." > >> > > >> > (If this is the book somebody please confirm, I'd like to know (what > >> > book it came from if not this one and the page #)? > >> > > >> > Thanks for any help, > >> > Russ > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > >> > ---------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List----------------- > >> > Want to contact the ListMom?! > >> > E-mail Rebecca at; > >> > rebecca@collector.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > >> -----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ > >> Have you posted your > >> RIDDLE, RYDALE, RUDDELL, RIDLEY, RIDLE, > >> RUDDLE, RIDDELL, REDDELL, RIDEL, etc. Query yet?! > >> What are ya waitin' for?! It's time! > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > >-----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List---------------- > > Want to unsubscribe, and did not save your instructions? > > Visit the RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List webpage to see how! > > http://medgen.iupui.edu/~rebecca/roots/riddle.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > ---------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ > > Have you hugged a RIDDLE lately?! > SMILE & pass it on! > > > > >

Thanks Gaylon, I was hoping that there was a Samuel but no such luck. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Gaylon Cameron <gcameron@bluebonnet.net> To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] [RIDDLE-LIST] > I have Isaac as having the following children: William, John Thomas, Elam, > Nancy Anna, Joseph J., James, William, Thomas Gregory my gg-grandfather, > Soloman, Harriet "Happy" Elizabeth and Isaac Rogers. > > ---------- > > From: Mike Conners <conners@jps.net> > > To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] [RIDDLE-LIST] > > Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 7:32 PM > > > > Gaylon: > > Issac did he have any children by the name of Samuel. You or the book > > mentioned Issac had several children. being born in 1777, could it be > poss. > > that he had a son by the name of Samuel being born in the 90's, possibly > > 1795 or so. > > Mike Conners > > conners@jps.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gaylon Cameron <gcameron@bluebonnet.net> > > To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 5:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] [RIDDLE-LIST] > > > > > > > >From "The Way It Was" Copyright 1983 by John Marion Ellis, II. > > > Chapter 1 Page 2 > > > "In 1847 a thirth-family wagon train arrived in East Texas, > bringing > > > among others the Riddle family, including a young daughter, Susan > Delphia > > > Riddle who soon turned Cuff's mind away from Indian girls. Before long > > > they were married, and Cuff built a log cabin on some upland between > White > > > Oak and Cypress creeks, and began raising a family. > > > Originally Thomas Riddle had come from England and settled in > South > > > Carolina where he joined the South Carolina Militia. While fighting > for > > > independence under General Francis Marion during the American > Revolution, > > > Thomas Riddle was captured and hanged by the British. He left a boy, > > > Isacc, born in 1777, who grew up in Kentucky, married and had several > > > children. In 1846, one of Isaac's sons, John Riddle, became interested > in > > > the Mormon religion after Joseph Smith, the Mormon prophet, was > murdered > > by > > > a mob. Smith's colony of converts were left in Illinois without > > > leadership. Brigham Young took over and John Riddle joined Brigham > Young > > > and other Mormons and went to Utah. Isaac Riddle and his family left > > > Northern Kentucky for Texas in 1847. They cut down trees, split and > hewed > > > logs to match, bound them together as flat boats, loaded their families > > and > > > all their belongongs and began floating down the Cumberland River to > the > > > Ohio. They floated through the mouth of the Ohio, down the Mississippi > to > > > the mouth of the Red River, and back up to Shreveport where they joined > a > > > caravan heading West, ending up eventually in the Bottom." > > > > > > > > > The "Cuff" referred to in the story is Leazerec Anders Cochran, great > > > grandfather of the author of this book. This story goes to show that, > > just > > > because it's in a book, doesn't meen it is true. > > > > > > Gaylon in Mt. Pleasant, ggg-grandson of Isaac Riddle. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > From: Russell D Merryman <RDMerry@webtv.net> > > > > To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Subject: [RIDDLE-L] [RIDDLE-LIST] > > > > Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 6:39 PM > > > > > > > > Hello Riddle List!! > > > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone owns a copy of the book - Pioneers and > > > > heroes of Titus County? And in this book does it tell of one America > > > > Jane Riddle and husband? I think it says therein some where the > > > > following, "William (refering to her husband) migrated to Texas about > > > > 1846. In making their way to Texas it seems they boated down the > Ohio > > > > and MIssissippi Rivers to the Gulf, then through Jefferson City and > from > > > > there overland to Mt. Pleasant, Texas...." > > > > > > > > (If this is the book somebody please confirm, I'd like to know > (what > > > > book it came from if not this one and the page #)? > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help, > > > > Russ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > > > > ---------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List----------------- > > > > Want to contact the ListMom?! > > > > E-mail Rebecca at; > > > > rebecca@collector.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > > > -----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ > > > Have you posted your > > > RIDDLE, RYDALE, RUDDELL, RIDLEY, RIDLE, > > > RUDDLE, RIDDELL, REDDELL, RIDEL, etc. Query yet?! > > > What are ya waitin' for?! It's time! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > > -----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List---------------- > > Want to unsubscribe, and did not save your instructions? > > Visit the RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List webpage to see how! > > http://medgen.iupui.edu/~rebecca/roots/riddle.html > > > > > > > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== > ---------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List---------------- > Want to unsubscribe, and did not save your instructions? > Visit the RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List webpage to see how! > http://medgen.iupui.edu/~rebecca/roots/riddle.html > > >

Hi, Isaac William Riddle had two sons, apparently, named William. The first one was his oldest son. He was born and died in 1802. The second William was born in 1814 and died in 1845 in Titus Co., Texas. Family tradition is that he was a bachelor and left no descendants. Since the Riddle family in Texas has been pretty well documented and there is no William Riddle married in Titus Co., Texas at the right time, I am inclined to believe the family tradition. Mary Hill At 11:14 PM 7/8/1999 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 7/8/99 11:00:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >gcameron@bluebonnet.net writes: > ><< I have Isaac as having the following children: William, John Thomas, Elam, > Nancy Anna, Joseph J., James, William, Thomas Gregory my gg-grandfather, > Soloman, Harriet "Happy" Elizabeth and Isaac Rogers >> > >Gaylon, > >Do you have a birthday for the William mentioned above? I'm looking for >parents of my William Riddle b 1803 KY/VA; d 1840 in Monroe Co, IN. He came >to Indiana sometime before 1830 when he married Polly Parks in 1830. > >In 1830 Monroe Co Census there are two Riddle's listed. >My William 1803-1840 and a John Riddle. (possibly brothers) Could these be >sons of Isaac? > >John's census entry: >males 2 (age 0-5) born 1825-1830 > 1 (age 5-10) born 1820-1825 > 1 (age 10-15) born 1815-1820 > 2 (age 15-20) born 1810-1815 > 1 (age 40-50) born 1780-1790 > >females 1 (age 0-5) born 1825-1830 > 1 (age 15-20) born 1815-1820 > 1 (age 40-50) born 1780-1790 > >Cathy >KAYO MAX B@aol.com > > > >==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >---------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ > > Have you hugged a RIDDLE lately?! > SMILE & pass it on! > > > > > >

Hi, Isaac William Riddle did not have a son named Samuel. Mary Hill At 05:32 PM 7/8/1999 -0700, you wrote: >Gaylon: >Issac did he have any children by the name of Samuel. You or the book >mentioned Issac had several children. being born in 1777, could it be poss. >that he had a son by the name of Samuel being born in the 90's, possibly >1795 or so. >Mike Conners >conners@jps.net > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Gaylon Cameron <gcameron@bluebonnet.net> >To: <RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 5:14 PM >Subject: Re: [RIDDLE-L] [RIDDLE-LIST] > > >> >From "The Way It Was" Copyright 1983 by John Marion Ellis, II. >> Chapter 1 Page 2 >> "In 1847 a thirth-family wagon train arrived in East Texas, bringing >> among others the Riddle family, including a young daughter, Susan Delphia >> Riddle who soon turned Cuff's mind away from Indian girls. Before long >> they were married, and Cuff built a log cabin on some upland between White >> Oak and Cypress creeks, and began raising a family. >> Originally Thomas Riddle had come from England and settled in South >> Carolina where he joined the South Carolina Militia. While fighting for >> independence under General Francis Marion during the American Revolution, >> Thomas Riddle was captured and hanged by the British. He left a boy, >> Isacc, born in 1777, who grew up in Kentucky, married and had several >> children. In 1846, one of Isaac's sons, John Riddle, became interested in >> the Mormon religion after Joseph Smith, the Mormon prophet, was murdered >by >> a mob. Smith's colony of converts were left in Illinois without >> leadership. Brigham Young took over and John Riddle joined Brigham Young >> and other Mormons and went to Utah. Isaac Riddle and his family left >> Northern Kentucky for Texas in 1847. They cut down trees, split and hewed >> logs to match, bound them together as flat boats, loaded their families >and >> all their belongongs and began floating down the Cumberland River to the >> Ohio. They floated through the mouth of the Ohio, down the Mississippi to >> the mouth of the Red River, and back up to Shreveport where they joined a >> caravan heading West, ending up eventually in the Bottom." >> >> >> The "Cuff" referred to in the story is Leazerec Anders Cochran, great >> grandfather of the author of this book. This story goes to show that, >just >> because it's in a book, doesn't meen it is true. >> >> Gaylon in Mt. Pleasant, ggg-grandson of Isaac Riddle. >> >> >> >> ---------- >> > From: Russell D Merryman <RDMerry@webtv.net> >> > To: RIDDLE-L@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: [RIDDLE-L] [RIDDLE-LIST] >> > Date: Thursday, July 08, 1999 6:39 PM >> > >> > Hello Riddle List!! >> > >> > I was wondering if anyone owns a copy of the book - Pioneers and >> > heroes of Titus County? And in this book does it tell of one America >> > Jane Riddle and husband? I think it says therein some where the >> > following, "William (refering to her husband) migrated to Texas about >> > 1846. In making their way to Texas it seems they boated down the Ohio >> > and MIssissippi Rivers to the Gulf, then through Jefferson City and from >> > there overland to Mt. Pleasant, Texas...." >> > >> > (If this is the book somebody please confirm, I'd like to know (what >> > book it came from if not this one and the page #)? >> > >> > Thanks for any help, >> > Russ >> > >> > >> > ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >> > ---------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List----------------- >> > Want to contact the ListMom?! >> > E-mail Rebecca at; >> > rebecca@collector.org >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >> -----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ >> Have you posted your >> RIDDLE, RYDALE, RUDDELL, RIDLEY, RIDLE, >> RUDDLE, RIDDELL, REDDELL, RIDEL, etc. Query yet?! >> What are ya waitin' for?! It's time! >> >> >> > > >==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >-----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List---------------- > Want to unsubscribe, and did not save your instructions? > Visit the RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List webpage to see how! > http://medgen.iupui.edu/~rebecca/roots/riddle.html > > > > > >

Hi, As far as we have been able to tell, Moses Riddle/Ridley was the father of William Riddle/Ridel/Ridle who was the tory. William Ridel is on the 1767 tax list right next to Moses Ridel (indian). There are three possibilities, as I presently see it: 1) Moses Ridel was the father of William Ridel/Riddle (tory) 2) Moses Ridel was the brother of William Ridel/Riddle (tory). That is what John Riddle of Utah said their relationship was. 3) There were actually two William Riddle's in Montgomery Co., VA between 1769 and 1781, and one was definitely the relative of Moses Ridel. The other one may have been our William Riddle (tory). That is a suposition that some have made. I find nothing to support this theory, but until we can disprove it, I have to say it is a possibility. Mary Hill At 04:48 PM 7/8/1999 EDT, you wrote: >The Moses RIDDLE listed in 1767 Pittsylvania is listed as "Indian" isn't he? > Is he the father of William the tory? I don't know, but was once told >that. > > >==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >---------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List----------------- > Want to contact the ListMom?! > E-mail Rebecca at; > rebecca@collector.org > > > > > >

I have records I found last month of William Riddle, a white man, who married a Choctaw woman, Cathy. He was an interpreter for the Choctaw nation and died in 1818. His sons and grandchildren are on the Choctaw rolls right up to the 20th century. Mary Hill At 04:42 PM 7/8/1999 EDT, you wrote: >Thanks Diane, it doesn't help now because I just don't know enough, but I >will keep the info and it might come in handy later. There have been so many >references to Riddles being at least part Cherokee that I believe that it's >so. Charlotte A. > > >==== RIDDLE Mailing List ==== >----------------RIDDLE Researchers Discussion List------------------ > Do you have an idea for this space? > E-mail the ListMom for more information! > rebecca@collector.org > > > > > >