This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/TJDBAIB/3667.1.1 Message Board Post: I do not know. I know the birthdate of pearl shafer,georges brother as 1887. I know Charles Shafer,their father, was from Michigan and raised his family there. Thanks Deb Shafer Gibson