I have been trying to sort out my Harrison P. Renshaw for 20 plus years. With the help of some of you, I have put together these notes. Gwen suggested I put it on the list to see if any of you can see good points or flaws in my thinking. I would love to have all comments, good or bad, Thanks for taking the time to read the following: Information of Harrison P. Renshaw and Nancy Eveline Rea and Family. This info was copied from the Family Bible on Jan 3rd, 1970 by Edith Price Jenkins Renshaw. Date Place Harrison (Harry) P. Rensahw Born Jan 31, 1841 None noted. Nancy Eveline Rea Renshaw Born Aug 8, 1855 None Noted Children liisted: Bartie Rae Sept 12,(1877) None Noted Susie Gatewood May 7, 1878 None Noted Johnny Eugene Oct 14, 1880 None Noted Freddy Nov 18, (1882) None Noted Harrison Burton Apr. 6, 1885 None Noted James Odis Sept 4, 1888 None Noted Lewis Benjimen Nov. 18, 1889 None Noted Walter Julian Aug. 24, 1891 None Noted My Note: Bartie Rae, Johnny Eugene, Freddy and Walter Julian all died in infancy. Only four of the above children lived to adulthood. Date in ( ) are presumed, as no year was listed in Bible. >From a document Clay Adams, who I can only presume was in possession of the Family Bible of Harrison and Nancy E. Renshaw, and a Notary Public (Vird Cook) of Layton, Utah, he gives the information on the adult children, and states, "Inasmuch as no other records exist showing the birth dates of Susie Gatewood Renshaw, H. Bert Renshaw, James Otis Renshaw and Lewis B. Renshaw he gives their birthdates." They are all the same as above (Bible Record) with the exception of H. Bert, and his birthdate is listed as April 6, 1886. This is incorrect, as he is my grandfather, and I know that his birthyear is 1855. Marriage License of Harry P. Renshaw and Nancy E. Rae (Rose) Date of marriage is 24 August 1876 in Clarksville, Red River, TX. My Note: Even though the last name of Nancy E. is Rose on the license, I feel this is the right Nancy E. The license and certificate were made out after the actual marriage, and the same person filled out the license and certificate. I think someone just misread the writing or notes of the minister that performed the marriage. There were no dates or ages of persons being married on the license or certificate. After Harrison P. left home, he seemed to use H. P. or Harry P. rather than Harrison P. when his name was recorded. Although, on the Bible Leaf, Nancy wrote it as Harrison P. In 1880 Census Harry P. and Nancy E. and S.G. (daughter) were in Callahan, Co. TX. Harry P. listed his age as 29, this makes his year of birth 1851 (I think this is wrong should be 1840-41) Nancy E. listed her age as 24, this makes her year of birth 1855-56. This is what was listed in the Bible. My Note: In this census, Harry did not give the place of his birth, nor the place of his parents births. This is also a difference of 10 yrs from the Birth date listed in the Bible. Since Nancy E. filled in the info in the Bible, I think I would tend to believe the Bible date or maybe the Census taker heard wrong, and he (Harry P.) said 39 instead of 29. Nancy stated she was born in MO. And her parents were both born in TN. This coordinates with the info I have on Nancy E., as I have her born in Ardeola, Stoddard, Missouri. S. G. (daughter) was listed as 13 months, and that would work for the approx. birth date of Susie Gatewood, the first child to live. Her place of birth was listed as TX. My info states that she was born in Fort Worth, Tarrant, TX. Harry P's stated profession was that of a Milo Trader. Milo is a grain like wheat that grows into a grass with a seed pod developing on the top. It is used for feed for animals. This information corresponds with what my grandfather told me about his father's occupation. Grandfather stated his father was a businessman and that he was the "middleman" between supplier and business. This is what he was doing at the time of his death. He would make the arrangements and purchase railroad ties for the railroad company that was building a railroad near Coalville, OK., and then sell and supply the railroad. In the 1850 Census of St. Clair Co. Ill, town of Belleville, the following was found: John Renshaw, age 52, farmer born Penn. 1798/99 Melinda Renshaw, age 50, born Penn. 1800/01 Sarah Renshaw, age 21, born Ill. 1839/40 M. C. Renshaw (female), age 19, born Ill. 1831/32 John W. Renshaw, age 18, farmer, born Ill. 1830 Harrison P. Rensahw, age 10, born Ill. This would make his date of birth 1840/41, which corresponds with the Bible information My Note: My grandfather told me that once when he was a child they (the family) visited his grandparents, and they gave him a picture of Grandfather, Grandmother, and Auntie Renshaw.(written on the back of the picture in pencil) The picture was taken in Belleville, Ill. He also told me his grandparents were rich and lived in a very big house. In this 1850 Census, John Renshaw's Real Property was listed as worth $2,000. A home worth $2,000 in 1850 would have been a very large house. I have the picture that my grandfather carried with him his entire life, and the dress of those pictured is that are of people with means. My grandfather also said that his Auntie Renshaw never married, that is why she is in the picture with her parents. My grandfather also told me his father was much younger than this Auntie. I have found information on John W. Renshaw (proposed brother), of Belleville, Ill. He was a Union Army Captain, " C" Co. 149th Inf. Reg. Ill. Joined 11 Feb 1865, mustered out 27 Jan 1866 in Belleville. He married a Caroline Trendley, in 1873. Question: I wonder if any of the Renshaws on our list are his descendents? In the 1870 Census or Red River Co. TX Nancy E. Rea is listed as a child with the family of : John Rea age 39 born 1831/30 Frances Rea age 32 born 1838/37 Mary , dau, age 16 born 1860/59 Nancy E., dau, age 13 born 1856/55 Lucy, dau, age12 born 1858/57 Martha, dau, age 11 born 1859/58 William, son, age 9 born 1861/60 John, son, age 7 born 1863/62 My Note: Nancy had a brother "Uncle Billy Rea", because after both she and Harrison died, the children lived with the Indians in OK, until Susie, the oldest child wrote to "Uncle Billy Rea" and he came to OK and took the children ( the four) to AK or MO to live and work on his farm. My grandfather was just 9 yrs. old when both of his parents died. He was the second oldest child. I think all of this works, but would love to hear what my fellow researchers think on our Renshaw list. Thanks for your time, BettyRR