Richard, I am only answering this to the list as you seem to want it that way. I try to keep unpleasant things off the list. I hope this reply will end it, if not please do so by emailing me personally. You could become a good resource for your line by posting verified information and back it up with proven documents or where you can find the documents. You have to be willing to share your information, not with just a few, but with the masses, to help correct the untruths. This is for everyone on the list. We all have sat back waiting for someone else to post information to help us. But more will be accomplished if we all post information. Tell the source. Then they can look it up for themselves. Then if you disagree do so in a polite manner, If the source isn't given, ask where it was found. It is unfortunate, but true, there is a lot of false information floating around, not only online but in books, any source that is out there can be false and everyone has to prove their line with documents as best they can. Not just what others have written but legal documents. Land deeds, wills, etc., and use books as a starting place. But you will find some errors in documents. Not everyone could write in years past and someone else did it for them and they might be the best in spelling etc. Also human errors (we all make them). That is one reason for a DNA program. That is something that doesn't lie. It should help in some way to correct a multitude of errors that have been out there for years in almost every surname. DNA has really broken down many old myths about some surnames. So, my answer is lets all help each other to find the truth. <Being old isn't an excuse. I am not old as I am only 81 years young> Beulah One other thing, I have asked several times for everyone to post their documents online in the state it was found where it will be free for everyone. You can do so on rootsweb pages for each state and county in the USA. Then they are in the state that the event occur and those that can not travel to other states it would help so very, very much. Also it is so costly to travel to other states and to have them sent to you is also costly. Thanks. I will get off the soapbox now. Beulah: I would have preferred that you chastise me in the list, rather than privately. The rest of the group has a right to know that you are unhappy with my message. I know that I am often blunt in my emails, but I do not consider my message to be in an way out of order. Carol Suny has taken the message as a personal attack, which it was not and was not meant to be (for this I apologize). Carol unfortunately has identified too closely with this list, and therefore is understandably angry. I just hope she is angry enough to follow through on verifying the data. My beef is not with Carol, it is with the originator of the list, C. Clay. I for one am just about fed up with the constant bombardment of irresponsible information that is circulated on the Internet. I will be happy to reserve any further comments I may have for the few serious researchers with whom I have had the pleasure of making contact. I am too old and too much of an arrogant SOB to change my ways or soften my dialogue . Do you still want me to participate on your DNA project? Richard