Dear Merlene, I immediately noticed the name Clement (1st son) in the children of Josiah Reed of NC, then TN--this suggests to me that a Clement Reid was his father.. I have a JOHN CLEMENT READ/REID (he changed the name to Reid upon coming to NC from VA). I suspect that his wife's name was Elizabeth or Eliza because that name pops up in the grandchildren. I come from the line of JESSE REID (b.abt. 1803 in NC)--through his daughter JULIA ANN REID (b. 1825 in Guilford Co., NC), Jesse had brothers named Nathan and Green (perhaps more)--all we know of Green Reid is that he went west to work on the stagecoaches. The name William seems to occur often in this family also. I also believe there is some relationship to a Robert Reid in NC, but I don't know what it is. It is possible that JOHN CLEMENT REID had brothers named Nathan, Green, and William, if we go by traditional naming patterns. Have you ever heard that your family originated in VA first? There is a story that a group of Lunenburg/Charlotte/Brunswick VA READs left VA about mid-1700s and went into adjoining NC counties. They probably spread out from there, as NC was then open to settlement. The story is that the name John Clement (from the Clement Reads of VA--there were several) was attached to each generation in honor of the patriarch of the family (Clement READ of Charlotte Co., VA, a very illustrious VA family). Do you have any idea which county in NC Josiah was in before heading to TN. I have tried to research all the Clement Read/Reids in NC and did find some--the Read/Reid family owned land in NC probably before the move to NC.. Unfortunately I can't make a direct connection. Researching the John Reids in NC is overwhelming. I would suggest that you search the NCGenWeb archives for Josiah Reed or Reid or Read. You might get lucky because Josiah is less common than John. Go to www.usgenweb.com, click on NC, and you will find a line to the NCGenWeb search engine. You can then type in "Josiah Reid," etc. He might have owned land, held office, etc., before heading for TN. Fascinating story about James Frank Reed and the KKK. Good for him! You might go to the Texas Gen Web site and search the archives for him--possibly there were newspapers articles about this incident at the time. I had a book on interlibrary loan for a short while: "The Reads and Their Relatives, Being an Account of Colonel Clement and Madam Read of Bushy Forest, Lunenburg County, Virginia, their Eight Children, their Descendants, and Allied Families." This book is written by ALICE READ (MRS. SHELLEY ROUSE), 1930, Johnson & Hardin Press, Cincinnati. It is owned by Hampton-Sydney College. p. 427-8 Covering the Frederick Carr Moore (of Norfolk, VA) July 8, 1886 marriage to Anne (Nannie) Cabell McIlwaine (b. Sept 3, 1861), Postmistress of Warrenton, NC for more than thirty years, The Moores were northern people who came South because they liked the climate, and settled near Norfolk, VA. This couple had 4 children: Turner Wharton Moore (b.1887); Nannie Cabell Moore (b.1891); James Carr Moore; Sarah McIlwaine Moore (b. 1896), married Feb 6, 1923 to Fitzhugh Read of Mecklenburg Co. VA, son of Hon. Stephen READ of Mecklenburg VA and his wife (Miss Wright of Palmer Springs, VA). They had a son named FITZHUGH TREZVANT READ, JR. (new paragraph but under this group) HON. STEPHEN READ was a Capt. Co. F., 14th VA Regt., CSA, succeeding his cousin, Capt. Farrar, who was killed at Gettysburg. After the [Civil] War he represented Mecklenburg [VA] in the House of Delegates and the State Senate for many years. He was a son of WILLIAM H. READ (d.1880) and Martha TURNER; son of CLEMENT READ (d.1841), who came to Mecklenburg Co. VA, from Charlotte or Lunenburg VA about 1800, with his wife, who was ELIZABETH QUARLES. This CLEMENT READ was one of eight children, all of whom moved in a great trek, tradition has it, with wives, slaves, cattle and household goods, headed for territories further south; however, when they reached the region of Mecklenburg Co., VA., and the adjoining North Carolina counties, they were too pleased to go on, and settling in that region, formed a wide-reaching and influential connection. Of one of them, MR. NATHAN READ, son of JAMES R. READ (will prob. July 8, 1799) and his wife, "who was a daughter of the Averly who founded the Averly plough works in Clarkesville VA, which are now in Louisville and said to be the largest ploughworks in the world," we have a glimpse in the letters of Dr. Hoge. Their comfortable house and luxurious table were the subject of his enthusiastic enconium when he was living as a young tutor in their family. The connection of this branch of READs with the family of Col. CLEMENT READ of Lunenburg has not been traced but they have a tradition that such connection exists, and the males of Mecklenburg [VA] and Carolina are big blonde men, very like the READs of Charlotte Co.. (the author's footnote: Mr. William Read Turner, grandson of Susan A. T. Read (the sister of Capt. Stephen Read), who married Stephen Turner of North Carolina and had John Read Turner (1839-1904), who married second: Frances Lucas Irby of Lunenburg, is investigating this line and hopes eventually to discover his missing link.) The above is included in a major division/section of the book headed: COL. ISAAC READ I and SARAH EMBRA I could find no further reference to Dr. Hoge, and the book has no bibliography. I looked for the names in our line (Nathan, John, Jesse, and Green) and this reference to Nathan caught my eye since it was the only one in the index. Nothing on Jesse or Green READ/REID. Here is my direct line. JULIA ANN REED/REID - ANCESTRY - Guilford Co., NC 1. John Clement Reid b. ? Brunswick Co. VA or Wake Co. NC ……2. Nathan Reid (?m. Mary Cotrell in 1833Guilford Co.NC) ……… + Mary Cotrell /Cottrell m. 1833Guilford CoNC …………..3. William Emory C. m. 1856 to Sue Bevins, Rowan Co., NC …….2. Green Reid …….2. Jesse Reid/Reed b. 1803 ?Wake Co. NC d. 1877* Guilford Co. NC ………….+ 1st wife Jenny/Jane Cotrell/Cottrell b. 3/1803Guilford? m. 7/1/1823Guilf. .. ……............3. Elizabeth Jane Reid b. 1823 ………… ......3. Julia Anne Reed/Reid b. 9/23/1825Guilford d. 1911Guilford . NC ………….. + Abner Pace (1821Guilford-1890?Rowan Co. NC) m. 1843 Guilford .. …………….… 4. John Fletcher Pace (12/28/1844-11/9/1901Rowan*****) ………………….…..+ 1st wife: Mary Louise Woodson (11/20/1846-2/24/1873****) ……………………..…..5. Margaret L. Pace b. 1873Rowan-d. 1960sBlkMtn.NC ……………………………+ Robert L. Woodard of Lexington m 4/21/1890 ……………………..+2nd wife Clara Bell Wilson m. 11/25/1874 (b.1857Rowan-1943Guilford) …………………………5. Charles Wakefield Pace b. 1878 d. Bluefield WVA ……………………………..+ Mary Ann Poole (1879-1953Norfolk, VA (5 children) ………………………...+ Henry Frank Starr (CBWPace rem'd 1904 to Rev.Starr, Guil.NC) .………..........3. John Clement Reid b. 1827 ..….… ..........3. Emily Caroline Reid b. 1829 ………......3. Clarisa Irene Reid b. 1831 ………............3. Mary Catherine Reid b. 12/19/1833 ………...........3. Martha Eliza Reid b. 1836 .............. + 2nd wife Lucinda Minor/Miner b. 1815**d. 1861*** m. 1838 …….….…..... 3. William Fletcher Reid b. 1839 d. Guilford * ............................ +Susan Howerton b. ? d. Guilford * ………….......3. Frances Amanda Reid b. 1841 …….…….......3. Susan Cornelia Reid b. 1843 …….…….......3. Hezekia Green Reid b. 1845 ………….........3. Nathan Jasper Reid b. 1848 ………….........3. Ellen Demaris Reid b. 1850 ……………….....+ Marshall Wiley Blaylock …………………..4. Susan Blaylock .…………........3. Alice Maria Reid b. 1852 …………. ......3. Henry Alton Reid b. 1855 .…………........3. Alexander Gattis Reid b. 1858 ………..+3rd wife Phebe Howerton m. 5/19/1864 * buried in Deep River Friends (Quaker) Cemetery at High Point, NC ** probably the daughter of Reubin Minor and Frances Southerland of Brunswick Co., VA *** buried at Muir's Chapel, Guilford College, Guilford Co. NC **** buried in Old English Cemetery, Salisbury, Rowan Co., NC ***** buried in Chestnut Hill Cemetery, Salisbury, NC On census reports in this early period, REED and REID seem almost interchangeable, as do COTRELL/COTTRELL and MINOR/MINER. There are even some READs in NC census reports in the early 19th century. There was a JESSE REID who married a PHEBE HOWERTON in Guilford on 19 May 1864, bondsman Wm. A. Linds. Jesse Reid (age 67) is living alone with Phebe (age 50) in the 1870 census in Forsythe Co., NC--occupation shoemaker. This has to be our Jesse with his 3rd wife. I wonder if possibly Phebe Howerton was a Howerton widow since she would have been in her 40s when she married Jesse in 1864, if you believe the 1870 census for her age of 50. Betty Pace <you wrote> From: "Merlene" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:10:31 -0500 Subject: REED, READ NC< TN,TX,OK,TX Hello from Blue Eye, MO ( near Branson ) by way of Lubbock TX. My name is Merlene REED Lash. I am looking for info on REED, READ, LOVETT, DOXY, BRINTLE, PATTERSON. HICKS Josiah REED moved from North Carolina to Williamson Co., TN. in 1806. with a wife Mary and four children, Nancy, Clement, William and Mary. Robert was born in 1808. Josiah settled on 70 acres at the head of the Harpeth River. I descend from William, b. 1805, NC, married to Thankful Lovett, b 1810 m on 9-8-1830 in Williamson Co. TN Josiah died in either 1839 or 1840. William died in about 1848.Their children: Robert 1832 Mary 1833 James Madison 1834 Jane 1835 Rachael 1839 Benjamin 1844 John 1848. I descend from James Madison. and Lauretta DOXY 1833 m. 1854.(father Daniel DOXY m. to Susanna HICKS about 1821) The James Madison REED family moved to KY duing the Civil War, then to TN in about 1872. They located in Eagleville, Rutherford Co., TN by 1880. James died near Eagleville TN. Would like to know where. Their Children: Sarah 1855, Elizabeth 1856 John 1858 Susan 1861 William Robert 1862 Thankful 1864 Rachael 1866 Annie 1867 James 1870 Jane 1872 Martha 1875 I descend from James Franklin REED b 1870 KY m Beulah Dee BRINTLE b 1880 TN We have a facinating story of why my Grandfather James Franklin REED left TN. The story goes that he was sellin .22 rifles to the blacks because they needed them to hunt rabbits and squirells to exist in the troubled times after the War. The Klu Klux Klan told him to stop or else. Of course, he didn't stop. He dug a trench in front of his place, plowed with a saddle on his horse and watched. One day he saw them coming. He unhitched the plow, rode for his ditch, had a shoot out , won, loaded all the bodies in the wagon, took them to Eagleville, dumped them on the town square and headed for Texas. Now if there is any truth to this tale, surely there will be articles in the papers for that period. He was born in 1870. so should have been between 1880 and early 1890's as he went to Texas, then Indian territory and married in 1895 in Oak Dale, OK. . Could some kind soul help prove or lay to rest this wild tale? He was a gun man and he was a lawman in Indian Territory in OK. SOOOO? Would love to hear from all long lost cousins. Merlene