>>You see right here, is the first problem, he could not have been >>bca1680, is in Newington jail..that was in the 1670's, don't have >>date at fingertips. The other passenger list was also in 1670's. >>So either he was born earlier, or his father was the first Edward; >>and since supposedly he had a sister Frances, that would make >>sense, in that he was not the LONER that has been portrayed. Newington Jail....Do you mean Newgate jail? I was always bothered by these dates. Something did not seem to add up. We have some saying he was born in 1680 yet he was appearing on passenger lists in 1670's. So maybe we are looking for two Edwards. Father and son. This would make more sense. Are there any definite dates we can can pin him down to? date of children births? anything? I think you mentioned his will was circa 1750. This would make his DOB 1680's or 1690's. In which case he cannot be the Edward on the passenger lists or the one in Barbados. >>>>so must be a father, perhaps Edward Thomas Revis 1675 frm Eng to Maryland, where he died in 1728 Maybe this is the Edward on the passenger lists and the father of Edward-1. Are you going to call him Edward-0 ? :-) >>>>>The spelling of his name almost seems to be irrelevant This is important for the location of the records I search in England. As I said before there are no REAVIS names in the north of England but some in the South West along with the names RIVES, RYVES and RIVERS. Likewise REVIS/RIVIS are nearly all in the North with a pocket in the South East. It just helps me decide where to search. It does help to know he had a sister Frances. Thank you that will be very useful. Andrew Sefton Yorkshire England

Who is Eliza G. Revis who married William Lovill in 1837 in Surry County NC, with son Edward Lovill, at attorney who helped with the charter of Appalachian State University? Chris M.

Morgan who married Mary Ann Moore -- who are his parents? Chris M

Posted on: Reavis, Reaves, Reves, Rivis Queries Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/rea/Reavis/67 Surname: Alley, Salmons, Fitzpatrick, Horn, Crum, Lytle ------------------------- Could someone tell me if they have any information on a Frances Reavis married to a Thomas Alley. Thank you.

Dear Bonnie, Barb and All, I too read with interest Andrew's pursuit of the Reavis/Revis' in England. I a search of the Revis archives recently I came across the following link which I have sent to Andrew. http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/R/REAVIS+19 99+17292052248+MESSAGE-BODY I think Gerald Revis may have some contacts/research that might help track down which 'branch' of the Reavis/Revis tree that Edward-1 is on. Never can tell where the 'roots' might lead in this 'web of Revis'.. pun intended.. Bill Lambright :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Valko" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 4:00 PM Subject: [REAVIS] Edward Reavis I > Dear Andrew and All the Reavis's > I have just read Andrew's comments on his research and I am full of admiration for the work that you have done. Yes, it was thought that there were'nt any Reavis's to be found in England or elswhere, but our technology is so much more advanced then; _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Dear Andrew and All the Reavis's I have just read Andrew's comments on his research and I am full of admiration for the work that you have done. Yes, it was thought that there were'nt any Reavis's to be found in England or elswhere, but our technology is so much more advanced then; I am referring to Marie Reavis Hall's book. People had to write and wait and wait for an answer and very often, it was the wrong one. Andrew, I applaud the wonderful work you are doing! A thought or two to pass along: my grandpa always said the Reavis's were of a Welch background. No one bothered to ask him where or when they came over or the circumstances. Jones Bradley Reavis, my ancestor could remember about the family, but apparently, nothing was written down, so it is lost. What a shame for all of us. Keep up the great work , Andrew and Barb, good luck with your database. Bonnie Simpson Valko [email protected]

Note that even Isham-3, s/o Edw-2 also spelled his name frequently, and is frequently found spelled, Revis; even in the Tory document frm Rutherford County Court, NC., as was George-3..think that was 1782 (it is on the angel fire research site) In Ky most of the names in early records ca1798-1800 i.e. fam of Isham were spelled REVIS (1799 tax list in Warren Co Ky). There does seem to be a consistent spelling of the name in different time periods, i.e. Va Rivis/Revis, NC 1747- 70 Reaves/Reavis, frm 1772 anything goes, different people for different reasons chg'd spelling of their names, one not to long ago told me his family changed spelling of name Reavis to Revis, because of a "blacksheep" in the family; we know that some changed spelling because did not want to be identified with "the Baron"...on and on...The predominant spelling of the name by descendants of Edward-1 are Revis and Reavis. So again not sure that the spelling seems to make a difference, just so it sounded like "crevice/revice" :-) Have found the name spelled so many ways, that in researching this family have to consider all Revice, Reviss, Re v v is; Rewis, Reaves, Reves....etc. Have to ck ea out to determine if ours or not. *B

first Paddington was in St Margarets Parish..and in the St Margarets chuch, Westminister, Greater London; there are records of Rivis, Reaves, Reeves, Ashley and Alley, 1500-1600. The Westminister conference was center for Separatists. (much of this frm research of Kay and Velda Welton, research- ing Alley there ) Edward Rivis 1671-2 transported by Capt JosiahPickles 1674-5 Edward Rivis and Wm Ashley frm Paddington 1691 Eliza Revis land patent in Ba Francis/male in Onslow Co NC 1744 Frances, supposedly sister of Edward-1 so must be a father, perhaps Edward Thomas Revis 1675 frm Eng to Maryland, where he died in 1728 So contrary to the oral fam hx passed down, there WERE other Rivis/Revis. The one we trace started with spelling RIVIS, then Revis, when first to NC REAVES, ca1750 Will and other rec REAVIS; then Revis slowly creeps back in. Still a big mystery. *B

In a message dated 11/8/2000 4:31:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > o update you on my search for the birth of Edward-1 here in England. I am > having real problems and I fear it may be a long wait. I think the consensus > is that he was born Circa. 1680. He was known to have been interred in > Newgate jail in London and on some documents gave his place of origin as > Paddington, London. This is not necessarily his birthplace, I am sure that > many from the country areas were drawn to the big city and there You see right here, is the first problem, he could not have been bca1680, is in Newington jail..that was in the 1670's, don't have date at fingertips. The other passenger list was also in 1670's. So either he was born earlier, or his father was the first Edward; and since supposedly he had a sister Frances, that would make sense, in that he was not the LONER that has been portrayed. If only we had a clue to his age, and of course no documentation of marriages, has been found. The spelling of his name almost seems to be irrelevant, since first was Rivis, then Revis, the Reaves, ca1750, "Will" and rec after Reavis. Then later some went back to Revis! Mystery!!., My Reavis database, is and was properly backed up, but having merged them all into one is the problem, and will just have to correct as I go. I long ago decided to use only REAVIS on all variants, and the database is 7 lines all connected, so easy to determine. We sure appreciate your help with the English side of this, don't forget Revis and Ashley, as well as Alley seem to have been in St Margaret Parish records, Westminister Abbey, London. So certainly would seem they knew ea other, and find them together in Va.. *Barb

I am staggered that Barb has a database of 22,000 names of REAVIS. It is really important to have correct backup procedures for such a mammoth amount of work and I applaud her dedication to the task. I would be interested to know the breakdown of numbers for the variants i.e what proportion is named REAVIS, REVIS or RIVIS. To update you on my search for the birth of Edward-1 here in England. I am having real problems and I fear it may be a long wait. I think the consensus is that he was born Circa. 1680. He was known to have been interred in Newgate jail in London and on some documents gave his place of origin as Paddington, London. This is not necessarily his birthplace, I am sure that many from the country areas were drawn to the big city and there are relatively few born in London in the seventeenth century. It is important for my research to decide his actual name, as when he was in America he was known as REAVIS but I understand there are indications on other documents his original name was REVIS. This may decide my strategy to decide on which variant to research. There are pockets of different parts of England for each of the variants. REAVIS was prevalent in the South West and virtually no other part. REVIS was more common in the North as is RIVIS. I am researching RIVIS in Yorkshire which I do not beleive is connected to the REAVIS lines. They have distinctly separate origins. RIVIS and REVIS are virtually always interchanged with each other and have a common root which I beleive is seperate to REAVIS. There are no REAVIS names in the north apart from the odd misspelling and it certainly does not persist. Likewise in the South West there are very small numbers of RIVIS/REVIS in comparison to REAVIS. I may have to research both regions for success. In the North of England where RIVIS/REVIS is common we beleive the origin to be the monastery of Rievaulx Abbey which is situated on the river Rye. The small village which grew up alongside the abbey was know by the locals as RIVIS and on ancient maps the abbey is marked as RIVIS abbey. It may be the actual earlier origin is from the continent of Europe as the abbey is known to have traded wool right across the low countries and as far as Italy. The monks themselves originated from France. The above is very theoretical and in many ways an opinion expressed. I beleive there is much to be gained from statistical distribution of the names. At this time there was little movement of people around the country but Edward-1 could have been the exception. Andrew Sefton Yorkshire England Researching RIVIS in Yorkshire web site: http://www.andysefton.freeserve.co.uk

At 1:23 pm -0500 11/7/00, [email protected] wrote: > > > uggesting that he should have been in Ross Twp, >> > Clinton Co., Indiana in 1860 as well. >> > >> Not there, just verified census data. Need to ck and see if Lucy >> there, maybe he just happened to be gone frm home, although >> James suggests he may have been in Cass co Ind. That >> bio, like most everything has some "gliches" Will ck Cass Co >> and other areas in Ind...still trying to find Wm H in 1850, no luck > > so far. *B William H, nephew of Enoch-4, was born in 1839, so he would have been 11 years old in 1850. The "official" records say he was born in NC, but Barb and I are beginning to wonder about OH, since it looks as if several of the sons of Edward-3 migrated from NC to OH in the 1830s, and then into IN in the 1840s. There is very little info available on William H's father, who was Henry W-4, s/o Edw-3, Jesse-2, Edw-1. We do find a marriage of Eliza Baker and Henry Reavis March 1835 in Williamson County TN. We're not certain this is the "right" Henry, but it is the "right" time. There seems to be no record of a Henry Reavis marrying in NC during this time period. Family oral history, at least partially substantiated by research, says that William H went to live with his uncle Enoch at an early age. One story says he traveled with him to IN. That would have been in the mid 1840s, we believe, but Enoch was living in Butler Co OH 1830-1845, and not NC. We haven't found any evidence of where Henry might be from 1835 onward. The family oral history indicates that his sons all went to IN. We don't have ages for any of them except William H, but it's possible one or two were born before 1839. Even so, they would have been very young to travel unchaperoned. If Henry didn't take them, who did? If they went without him, why? Had he perhaps died already? Thus, we are attempting to locate several figures in this part of the family. All help is greatly appreciated! JS -- ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School [email protected] ____________________________

In a message dated 11/7/2000 10:51:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > illiam H, nephew of Enoch-4, was born in 1839, so he would have been > 11 years old in 1850. The "official" records say he was born in NC, > but Barb and I are beginning to wonder about OH, since it looks as if > several of the sons of Edward-3 migrated from NC to OH in the 1830s, > and then into IN in the 1840s. Don't forget the 1860 census lists Wm Henry born in Ohio. I cannot find him anywhere in 1850; he for sure was not living with Enoch in Clinton Co., and was sure that is where we would find him; he was not with William in Madison County. After finding this John Reavis b1826 OH in Morgan Co Ind..making him the earliest born in Ohio; means Reavis' were in Ohio prior to 1830. Who was it? Could it be frm the Reavis' that migrated to KY in 1798? Think more research is needed in Ohio, problem is not to much available online, forgot the dif counties, but there were a couple other than Butler County. So please keep an eye out for Ohio records starting 1820 forward. *B

Dear Bonnie/Barb and all who may be experiencing problems with FTM, I recently upgraded from FTM 3.0 to FTM 8.0 and did so without the problems you are describing. FTM must have solved the 'data garbling' problem in version 8.0 that just came out.. Check with FTM's WWW site to see if they have had complaints and what they recommend. It sounds like it is THEIR program's problem. I found the following in their "Help File" for version 8.0 "Once you have merged the duplicate sources, navigate to www.FamilyTreeMaker.com/support and look for more information by entering keyword "merging" in the Technical Support Knowledge Base search window. Family Tree Maker Version 8.0 for Windows© 95/98" I didn't copy the whole help message but it did say you must have ver 4.4 or later to merge duplicate sources. This 'technical support knowledge base (read computer assisted technical support) may help you solve other problems you are having.. hope so.. Bill :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Valko" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [REAVIS] Problems > Dear Barb, > I have had the same trouble only worse; all my data has been deleted and > someone has put in their family with mine. I going to have to unistall my > FTM and put it in again to clear all of this mess out. I had the new 7.0 > which is connected to the Family Finder and I think that is where so many of > these people are coming from that are invading my FTM. What a mess! I > sympothize believe me. > Bonnie Simpson Valko > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:01 PM > Subject: [REAVIS] Problems > > > > Having merged three dif FTM programs, 3.0, 5.0, 7.0;let me tell > > you, it has played havoc with my data! First find things in places > > not supposed to be; second, each program had their own place > > for notes, wills, census, marr..etc...and you find those all > > messed up too..NOT going to update anymore; to much data > > to get so confused! Prob is you don't notice it unless looking > > for it..esp the notes come up just terrible! *B > > > > > > ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== > > ----------------- > > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > > mailto:[email protected] > > Click below for the digest list: > > mailto:[email protected] > > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > > ----------------- > > > > > > > ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:[email protected] > Click below for the digest list: > mailto:[email protected] > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > ----------------- > > _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Reavis, John 26 b Oh (would have been born in Ohio before the group arr, with Enoch frm NC to Oh..ca1830) Reaves, David 55 b KY William I or J 14 yr b In Any idea who they were? *B

Barb, guess in your case when problems show up months later, you are just up the creek. Because you are updating your data base all the time. Don

Just a suggestion for future use, anytime I merge FTM files I copy my primary file and then rename it. Then merge the other file into it. Then you should still have your original and an unchanged copy of the other file. FTM's automatic back up is really not worth much because if you mess up the one you are in. It will save the mistake to the other when you close the program. I have a copy of every file I have used all the way back to FTW for DOS. It takes up some space but then you can go back and use or research the old ones if you have too. One other problem I have seen with the new versions of FTM is, when you merge, the new file is much bigger than both of the old ones combined. Don

You, have had first hand experience with my problems :-) It is far to late to do anything about mine, even though I have a backup file, my input is trememdous, and no way to go back and pick apart the old and new. Will have to live with it. I did the merge way back in Jan or Feb... Another prob, is that I was not even aware until recently that I had a prob..kept seeing the "census" containing my notes frm prev programs..and now and then dates that were not right..so checked, and sure enough, it is the whole thing! *B

Barb, Hope you get this corrected without too much work. I am running FTM version 7.5 and haven't had any problems upgrading over the years. When I have run into problems, I have contacted their Technical Support group who have always got me fixed. Curt -----Original Message----- From: Bonnie Valko [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [REAVIS] Problems Barb, I am going back to the old program that I have in there originally. It doesn't have so much stuff that can go wrong. Yes, I agree, I would not want to have to change a 22, 000 person base. FTM is not the best genealogy program out there and I also have PAF from the LDS in Salt Lake. That one gives me no problems. The only reason I keep the FTM is the beautiful forms it prints out. I can't find that in any other program, at least so far. Hang in there! Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [REAVIS] Problems > In a message dated 11/7/2000 12:39:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > I going to have to unistall my > > FTM and put it in again to clear all of this mess out. I had the new 7.0 > > which is connected to the Family Finder and I think that is wher > > OHHH, your prob sounds much worse than mine, but I do find dates I > know did not put in, in strange places, research I did and KNOW > I did not put in that way. Trying to catch it, but taking a lot of time, > I now have over 22, 000 in my Reavis database, no way to undo. > Empathize! I guess if you update EACH time they come out with > new program, may not happen, but who can afford that, you just get > one, and another comes out! *B > > > ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > Need to post long-term query? > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/rea/Reavis > or choose from many other options at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/r/e/REAVIS/ > ----------------- > > ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== ----------------- Need to post long-term query? http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/rea/Reavis or choose from many other options at http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/r/e/REAVIS/ -----------------

Barb, I am going back to the old program that I have in there originally. It doesn't have so much stuff that can go wrong. Yes, I agree, I would not want to have to change a 22, 000 person base. FTM is not the best genealogy program out there and I also have PAF from the LDS in Salt Lake. That one gives me no problems. The only reason I keep the FTM is the beautiful forms it prints out. I can't find that in any other program, at least so far. Hang in there! Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [REAVIS] Problems > In a message dated 11/7/2000 12:39:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > I going to have to unistall my > > FTM and put it in again to clear all of this mess out. I had the new 7.0 > > which is connected to the Family Finder and I think that is wher > > OHHH, your prob sounds much worse than mine, but I do find dates I > know did not put in, in strange places, research I did and KNOW > I did not put in that way. Trying to catch it, but taking a lot of time, > I now have over 22, 000 in my Reavis database, no way to undo. > Empathize! I guess if you update EACH time they come out with > new program, may not happen, but who can afford that, you just get > one, and another comes out! *B > > > ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > Need to post long-term query? > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/rea/Reavis > or choose from many other options at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/r/e/REAVIS/ > ----------------- > >

Was in Boone Twp, Madison Co Ind 1870 census p.91 age 71 So if as the book says he died ca1875 in Ks..he left after the census was taken. With whom? There was also a Cal femal age 22 pg 62 Anderson Twp Madison co Ind...not figured out who she is yet! *B