At 7:57 am -0600 11/12/00, chris wrote: >[snip] >. . Is this appropriate for me to copy material from >another list for presentation to the Reavis list? > >Chris We don't encourage it on a regular basis, since those messages can be found by doing an archive search on the surname. However, when there is something of general interest to this list, such as the questions that were raised, we do not object. What is frequently done is to summarize (or quote only the most relevant parts of) long messages, explaining where the information originated. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Regards! JS List Custodian -- ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School [email protected] ____________________________

In a message dated 11/12/2000 6:25:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << believe John E. would not be frm line of George-3. James-4 is not on census records of Rutherford (at least don't think so, the ones there are James-2 & #) or Buncombe Co. So many went to Ga, Al and SC...just no clue! >> Barb When time permits, I'll make a trip to Buncombe Co., NC. Possibly next Summer when school is out. Register of Deeds is a good friend, maybe will obtain extra assistance. Linda

In a message dated 11/12/2000 6:00:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > This is fascinating for > me as a genealogist. I am still amazed that all 20,000 REAVIS names in Barbs > database and in the USA can be traced back to this one individual. There are two or three other of Reavis researchers that have near as much as I. My database was limited to just the first 9 generations of each line; but this past year we have made so much progress have some down to 12 generations, as in my family. I also have a misc family file, of those not yet connected; but I have no doubt, that I will connect them eventually. What I am saying, there is none that I have found, that do not seem to be frm Edward-1! We had two family lines going, abt 4-5 generations, and lo and behold we connected them! Had no idea, until we found the name Filmore; Amazing. That is why this Reavis/Revis research is such a challenge, it is just a big puzzle, every piece fits! I am contacted by families all over the US, and consequently have great data to work with. *Barb

In a message dated 11/12/2000 6:01:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Barb > Has anyone determined the wife of James 4, s/o George 3? > Linda Any confirming data on him still missing. Someone needs to dig in Rutherford and Buncombe Co records early on, esp where believe John E. "got" land..to see if maybe was frm father. Personally, I cannot locate anything on James! All we have is fam history, no documentation; but as I said previously just can't believe John E. would not be frm line of George-3. James-4 is not on census records of Rutherford (at least don't think so, the ones there are James-2 & #) or Buncombe Co. So many went to Ga, Al and SC...just no clue! The other thing is that John E did not show up til 1810 Buncombe county 1810 census! But was that even him, he would have been only abt 13-15 yrs of age?? MAYBE this John E 1810 is John-4, s/o Geo-3, and he is supposed to have married Elizabeth Fowler. But would certainly fit better, then was John E (Jr) his son. To many unans questions and not enough documentation. Need much help, to solve this. *Barb

[email protected] (Linda Revis) 1 [1] Edward Reavis, Sr. b: 1680 in England d: 1751 in Northampton Co., NC . +Hannah Alley ... 2 James Reavis b: 1719 in Henrico Co., Va. d: 1804 in Rutherford Co., NC ....... +Elizabeth Street d/o Wm Street ......... 3 George Reavis b: 1750 in Northampton Co., NC d: 1825 in Bumcombe Co., NC ............. +Sarah Pearson d/o John Pearson/Peirson .............. 4 James Reavis .......................+ Wife Unknown (next generation no proven) .................... 5 John E. Revis b: 1795 d: 1879 in Burial: Ward Cemetery, Henderson Co., NC. ........................ +Rebecca Heatherly b: 1807 d: 1880 in Burial: Ward Cemetery, Henderson Co., NC. d/o John Heatherly ......................... 6 William K. Revis b: 1829 d: 1870 in Buncombe Co., NC ............................. +Ellen Thompson b: 1823 in Greenville Co., SC d: February 24, 1920 in Haywood Co., NC d/o John Hugh Thompson ............................... 7 William Posey Revis b: December 1855 d: in Burial: Gwyn Cemetery, Haywood Co., NC (no marker) ................................... +Mary Ann Pless b: July 1859 m: November 19, 1875 in Haywood Co., NC d/o Asberry Pless .................................... 8 Louis Wilson Revis b: October 06, 1894 in Haywood Co., Nc d: January 18, 1923 in Haywood co., NC ........................................ +Maria Balsia Williams b: January 29, 1896 in Haywood Co., NC d: August 09, 1974 in Haywood Co., NC m: November 06, 1913 in Haywood Co., NC d/o General Sherman Williams .......................................... 9 Cecil Marcell Revis b: June 13, 1916 in Haywood Co., NC d: June 11, 1979 in Haywood Co., NC

Barb, Is this a quote from you or Elmo? "Now I want to add that my database is "connected", all persons can be traced back to Edward-1; what other family in the US can do that? So there must be some truth in the fact that he originated the name. In which case, all the other Rivis/Revis, as so far have proven to be NO relation to ours. " *Barb ************************************** If this is so then no wonder I can't come up with a connection from my John E. Revis to the REAVIS line.. IF there is "NO relation...." Maybe there should be a separate RIVIS/REVIS mailing/discussion list on Rootsweb to keep others from confusing the two lines. What about this suggestion John S.? * Bill L. _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

In a message dated 11/12/2000 3:20:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << > Of the family that were in Rutherford Co: James-2 & 3 died; > Isham and most of others went to Kentucky, William stayed, no > chn., and George-3..likely his land fell into Buncombe Co when > the co was created..and he and his family stayed there, many > there to this day..some of course went to SC, Ga and Al. Just > hard to say John E. does not belong to this family, he is in Bun- > combe Co by 1810 census..his father is supposed to be James, > s/o George-3, no documentation, only family history. >> Barb Has anyone determined the wife of James 4, s/o George 3? Linda

Jesse Franklin-4 s/o Jesse Marshall-3, s/o Jess-2 altered his name to "Frank Revis", and his descendants adopted his spelling. (frm Reavis Book pg 365) *B

WHO IN THE WORLD IS THIS? Wm. b ca1799 ; could this be Wm-4 (s/o Edw-3, s/o Jess-2) with a new wife and family, he was on the 1850 Madison Co census age 52; this changes his birth yr frm 1805 to 1798-99. On the 1850 he had a dau Sarah C 6 yrs old, this could be her. His wife was Marie/Mary Ann Hendricks. *B > n 1860 Madison Co IN - Boone Twp - P.O. Anderson - page 387 > #1164-1164: > William Reavis, 61, farmer, North Carolina > Minerva, 41, North Carolina > Sarah, 17, North Carolina > Louisa, 17, North Carolina > Wesley, 13, North Carolina > John, 8, Indiana >

PLEASE SIGN IN..........SAVE ME HRS OF RESEARCH... JUST LIST YOUR FAMILY LINE..PROVED BACK TO EDWARD-1 EXAMPLE; REVIS THRU LINE OF JOHN-2..what gen chng'd spelling THIS WILL GIVE US AN IDEA OF HOW MANY CHANGED FRM REAVIS TO REVIS..IF NOT GOOD RESULTS, WILL START DIGGING :-) I know there are many, some frm ln of James-2 thru Joseph-3, some frm ln of Isham, some frm ln of Geo-3, some frm line of John-2, line of Wm-2, and so on...thanks *Barb

Bonnie - which version of FTM do you have? Sandy Alexandria, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Bonnie Valko <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [REAVIS] Problems > Barb, > I am going back to the old program that I have in there originally. It > doesn't have so much stuff that can go wrong. > Yes, I agree, I would not want to have to change a 22, 000 person base. FTM > is not the best genealogy program out there and I also have PAF from the LDS > in Salt Lake. That one gives me no problems. The only reason I keep the FTM > is the beautiful forms it prints out. I can't find that in any other > program, at least so far. > Hang in there! > Bonnie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:10 AM > Subject: Re: [REAVIS] Problems > > > > In a message dated 11/7/2000 12:39:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > I going to have to unistall my > > > FTM and put it in again to clear all of this mess out. I had the new > 7.0 > > > which is connected to the Family Finder and I think that is wher > > > > OHHH, your prob sounds much worse than mine, but I do find dates I > > know did not put in, in strange places, research I did and KNOW > > I did not put in that way. Trying to catch it, but taking a lot of time, > > I now have over 22, 000 in my Reavis database, no way to undo. > > Empathize! I guess if you update EACH time they come out with > > new program, may not happen, but who can afford that, you just get > > one, and another comes out! *B > > > > > > ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== > > ----------------- > > Need to post long-term query? > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/rea/Reavis > > or choose from many other options at > > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/r/e/REAVIS/ > > ----------------- > > > > > > > ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > Need to post long-term query? > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/rea/Reavis > or choose from many other options at > http://resources.rootsweb.com/surnames/r/e/REAVIS/ > ----------------- >

> believing it was something other than REAVIS/REVIS..to begin > with..so that we should not look for his family by that name in > England. > > What I have found follows. Up til now, was convinced that his > theory was myth, but now not so sure, in light of the fact that > the ones by that name, I have been able to trace back to him; > exception of the early Revis in Va...and most of them seem to > really be of the Ryves/Rives line (Wm Ryves chn'g sp to Rives > by act of parliament), and the Reeves/Reaves of Va., thus not > connected to Edward-1 (and I have traced most of them as well) > > 1721 Henrico Co Va name appears RIVIS and REVIS > > 1747 Northampton Co NC name appears Reaves & Reavis > his will written by another lists his name as RAVIS in > the body; is signed either Revis or Reavis..due to tear, > hard to verify > his son William signed his will REAVIS > Wm's son Isaac and Samuel appear top have signed their wills > REAVIS > James-2 1803 s/deed REAVIS > Joseph s/o James-2 spelled REAVIS on Will > David s/o James-2 sp Reavis on Will > James s/o James-2 signed Reavis on Will > John-2 name appears to be REAVIS on Will > Will of Isham-3 s/ REAVIS..yet Revis used as well > Allen s/Reavis yet many of his fam to date use REVIS > > Many others frm lines of all sons, I think, without exception > use both names. > > Estate rec for Jesse (s/o John-2) Reavis/Revis ..no signature > Estate rec for his wife MaryCain REVIS > Elizabeth w/o James-2 listed as Elizabeth REAVES in her > father's will 1776 > There are others frm the REAVIS lines that changed spelling to > Revis or it just became that over the years, that of Isham-3, > some of John-2 family became Revis, on and on > > Seems all we have to base name on is documents where we > have actual signatures, and various county and court, and > census records where the name is spelled many ways. > > George-3 is listed as both Reavis and Revis..have no s/document > > Some documents in the book by David Reese, spellings are: > Inventory of est of Henry Roberts 1803 s/George REAVIS > Deed Book 5 Pg 323-324 James B. REVIS > Probate Proceedings Est of Thomas REAVIS 1852 > Madison Co NC > Inventory est of Thos REVIS > George REVIS > Wm REVIS > George F. REVIS > Robt REVIS > HenryREVIS > Benjamin REVIS > > Yet census rec in Bunc and Mad co list them as REVES, REAVIS, > REVIS, REVISE, REVICE, REVISS > > Harris and Henry REAVIS Rev War pens applications by MARK > > Of the family that were in Rutherford Co: James-2 & 3 died; > Isham and most of others went to Kentucky, William stayed, no > chn., and George-3..likely his land fell into Buncombe Co when > the co was created..and he and his family stayed there, many > there to this day..some of course went to SC, Ga and Al. Just > hard to say John E. does not belong to this family, he is in Bun- > combe Co by 1810 census..his father is supposed to be James, > s/o George-3, no documentation, only family history. > > We all started this research with notes of family history by Fenton > Goss Reavis, then his grandson Elmo Reavis began to gather data, > and finally the research and book by Marie Reavis; all of this in- > volved input by many family members. In addition now we have > the technology that is revealing daily more information. > > It would certainly be nice to have more data on the family of > George-3. I have just completed the research on his daughter > Mary and her husband John Johnson; we still lack data on > James, George, Jr (although I believe that is him in Buncombe > co aft 1806), and John who married Elizabeth Fowler (have been > unable to find anything on them, but they like Mary and Johnson > could have left the area. If John E was s/o James-4, perhaps > his father died by 1810 when we first have rec of John E, and that > is where John E obtained his land. Much research to be done yet > on John E.. > > I don't have any more answers, I don't know what Ed-2 surname > was before he changed it, if he did. The only answers for the > various spellings, is likely do to record keeping, phonetically; > but do know that of all the Revis and Reavis I have in my data- > base are connected to Edward-1; excluding the possibility that > John E. "may not be" but have seen nothing to discourage the > fact that he is g'son of George-3. But yet to be proved either > way. *Barb >

My line: Edward Reavis; William Reavis; Isaac Reavis; William Wallis/Wallace Reavis; William Reavis; Amma G. Reavis. Always spelled 'Reavis' except when someone else (census taker, for example) wrote it. On the will of William Reavis in 1784, it is spelled out 'Reavis' several times and Isaac witnessed it clearly as 'Reavis'. On Isaac's will in 1788, it is 'Reavis'. In various deeds in Monroe County, Georgia of my great great grandfather, William Reavis (William Wallis Reavis), it is William Reavis, Josephine Reavis, Fanny Reavis, W. J. Reavis. In his will in 1864, it is 'Reavis' throughout, including his signature. Also Reavis is on the tombstones of William Reavis, Fannie Reavis, W. J. Reavis. Our family has never spelled it differently. Other witnesses of different surnames sometimes signed with an 'X', but the Reavises never did. On the Marriage Bond of William Reavis and Fanny Parham in Wake County, NC in 1816, it is William Reviss and this is the spelling in the Wake County Tax Records. In the Monroe County, GA Land Lottery of 1821 records show a William Reaves drew land but when it was sold a short time later, it was as William Reavis. The Tax Digest of 1829 shows him as William Reivis. The census takers always wrote his name as 'Revis' or 'Reves'. When his widow and children sold land after his death in 1869, it was referred to as 'the place where William Reavis once lived'. This is more than you asked for, but once I got started, I couldn't stop! It is rather 'jumbled up', too, but maybe you can make sense of it! I enjoy all the postings and appreciate all the research. Amma C. Crum [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: [REAVIS] REVIS POLL........ALL THAT TRACE THEIR REVIS TO EDW-1 > PLEASE SIGN IN..........SAVE ME HRS OF RESEARCH... > > JUST LIST YOUR FAMILY LINE..PROVED BACK TO EDWARD-1 > > EXAMPLE; > > REVIS THRU LINE OF JOHN-2..what gen chng'd spelling > > THIS WILL GIVE US AN IDEA OF HOW MANY CHANGED FRM > REAVIS TO REVIS..IF NOT GOOD RESULTS, WILL START > DIGGING :-) I know there are many, some frm ln of James-2 > thru Joseph-3, some frm ln of Isham, some frm ln of Geo-3, > some frm line of John-2, line of Wm-2, and so on...thanks *Barb > > > ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > Support free volunteer genealogy. > Contribute your data and your time. For details see: > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > RootsWeb supports our research by hosting our mailing list! > Do you support RootsWeb? > ----------------- > >

OBVIOUSLY, my statement was not correct, in that the Revis/Reavis in my database are all connected to the 7 sons of Edward-1, with the exception of John E Revis who married Rebecca Heatherly. It has long been assumed (which is not documented) that he was grandson of George-3 and Sarah Pearson. NOTHING has been found to disasso- ciate him frm this family. So guess, if you have questions along this line, need to verify same. *Barb >

In a message dated 11/12/2000 1:19:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Barb, Is this a quote from you or Elmo? > > "Now I want to add that my database is "connected", all persons can be > traced back to Edward-1; what other family in the US can do that? So > there must be some truth in the fact that he originated the name. > > In which case, all the other Rivis/Revis, as so far have proven to be NO > relation to ours. " *Barb > ************************************** > If this is so then no wonder I can't come up with a connection from my John > E. Revis to the REAVIS line.. > IF there is "NO relation...."

To continue the story from Fayette Co IL list regarding all her marriages . . . any clues or comments? Is this appropriate for me to copy material from another list for presentation to the Reavis list? Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, November 12, 2000 4:05 AM Subject: Re: [ILFAYETT-L] McKinneys, McAlileys & Sages >Frances McKinney, daughter of William and Nancy (McAliley) McKinney, married >Samuel Wood Osborn 14 Sep 1864, Fayette Co, IL (in " Van Dalia," according to >marriage page in Bible). Samuel was the son of John and Sarah "Sally" (Nolen) >Osborn who (by 1859) moved to Fayette County from Scott Co., VA (with a short >stop in Pulaski Co., KY, in between) >____________________ > >There seems to be some misunderstanding. I didn't even mention Mary Ann Reavis >(aka Revis) in an earlier posting -- and certainly didn't say she married Samuel >Osborn. However, Miles C. McKinney, uncle and guardian of Frances (McKinney) >Osborn, was the third husband of Mary Ann Reavis Ledbetter Dycus McKinney >Ellison Bennett. > >On 25 Apr 1864, Mary Ann appeared before Charles W. Jenks, Clerk of County >Court, to apply for her widow's pension. She swore "That she is the widow of >Miles C. McKinney who was a Private in Company F. commanded by Captain John >Welsh in the Ninety Seventh Regiment of Illinois Volunteers in the War of 1861, >who died on the twenty third day of January AD 1863 at Vicksburg Mississippi of >disease contracted in the said service, viz of Erysipelas." > >She also declared "that she was married to the said Miles C. McKinney on the >14th day of January AD 1858, That her name before her said marriage was Mary A. >Dycus . . . and that she has remained a widow since his death." > > Also mentioned in the pension application are two "surviving children of said >soldier under sixteen years of age at the time of his decease, viz: Rebecca Jane >McKinney, aged five years September 9th 1863, Daniel Uriah McKinney aged three >years August 8th 1866 . . . ." The document was witnessed by Daniel Uriah >McKinney and Martin Welch (aka Welsh). > >Mary Ann married twice after Miles McKinney's death: to Robert Ellison in 1866 >(as stated below) AND to Joel Bennett on 21 Mar 1872. A year after that, Mary A. >Bennett gave consent for her daughter, Rebecca McKinney, to marry Robert J. >Bennett (30 Jul 1873). > >The 1870 Fayette County census for Sharon Twp (p. 76, p. 188 of FCGS's printed >copy) shows Mary Ellison 36, William 14, Lincoln 8 and Rebecca 12. William >probably is Mary's son by Thompson Dycus. Lincoln either was a nickname for the >young Daniel Uriah McKinney (to distinguish him from the older D. U.) -- or else >an error on the part of whomever extracted the census. > >I only have printed versions of the Fayette County censuses. If any lister has >access to the actual images and could clarify this listing, it would be very >much appreciated. > >Also, does anyone out there know if/how Mary's husband Joel Bennett and her >son-in-law, Robert J Bennett, are related? Or what happened to Robert Ellison? >He and Mary Ann supposedly had a daughter, Iola, b. abt.1867. >____________________ > >FYI: Mary Ann Reavis' first husband, Henderson Ledbetter had previously been >married to Samantha Sage, daughter of George and Tamar Christine (Hollingshead) >Sage. Fayette County marriage records note: "Henderson Ledbetter, being duly >sworn, says that George Sage consented that license might issue to join his >daughter Samantha in marriage with the said Henderson Ledbetter, and that the >said George Sage came to town with him, the said Henderson, for the purpose of >giving his consent in person, but being unable to find the clerk, the said >George left town." The license was granted 30 Aug; the couple married 7 Sep >1845. > >On 18 or 19 May 1855, Henderson Ledbetter married Hester E. Radcliff in St. >Clair Co., IL. Does anyone know to whom Hester belongs? > >Carol in Cornhuskerland > > >[email protected] wrote: > >I have that Mary Ann Reavis (b. Oct. 16, 1831 MO, d. ca. 1818 Fayette Co., IL, >dau. of Somomon and Mary (Greene) Reavis), married: > >1) Henderson Ledbetter, May 21, 1850, Fayette Co., IL >2) Thomason Dycus, Aug. 26, 1855, Fayette Co., IL >3) Miles C. McKinney, Jan. 14, 1858 (he died ca. 1864, Civil War) >4) Robert Ellison, Aug. 1, 1866. > >Is this the same Mary Ann, widow of Miles C. McKinney, who married Samuel Wood >Osborn? When were they married? > >[email protected] wrote: > >After John D. McAliley died, Miles C. McKinney (another of William and Frances >Emeline sib's), took over as young Frances' guardian. Unfortunately, Miles died >in 1863 (Civil War). After losing her parents and two uncle guardians, poor >young Frances must have had it. In 1864, she married Samuel Wood Osborn -- and >they became my husband's 2great-grandparents. > > > >> > >

In a message dated 11/12/2000 8:58:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Is this appropriate for me to copy material from > another list for presentation to the Reavis list? Would think so long as it gives us more data or clarifies data on our Reavis line, no problem. Maybe condense data more, might be helpful :-) Thanks *B

In a message dated 11/12/2000 1:19:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Now I want to add that my database is "connected", all persons can be > traced back to Edward-1; what other family in the US can do that? So > there must be some truth in the fact that he originated the name. > MINE *B

A phamphlet called "Stetches" was written in 1926 by Thurston Titus Hicks of Vance County. It contains data on many Granville/Vance County families, some that tie in with the Reavises, e.g. Hicks and Parham. It also contains ture stories. Here is a good one - timely: Speaking of Chalk Level reminds me of a story....told me during ...the Presidential campaign of 1868 ... Her pa was at Henderson the other day before and saw old man Reavis who said to her father "Barnes, when I die and go to Heaven Saint Peter will meet me at the gate and hold out his hand and say: 'Come in Reavis.' And I will say to him: Peter, are there any Radicals in Heaven? and if he says yes, I'll say, well, take me back to Chalk Level."

>From The Fayette Co IL list, a question on Mary Ann Reavis' marriages -- four or five? I have only three. Chris M. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, November 11, 2000 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [ILFAYETT-L] McKinneys, McAlileys & Sages >In a message dated 11/11/00 8:06:30 AM Central Standard Time, >[email protected] writes: > ><< After John D. McAliley died, Miles C. McKinney (another of William and >Frances > Emeline sib's), took over as young Frances' guardian. Unfortunately, Miles >died > in 1863 (Civil War). After losing her parents and two uncle guardians, poor > young Frances must have had it. In 1864, she married Samuel Wood Osborn -- >and > they became my husband's 2great-grandparents. >> > >I have that Mary Ann Reavis (b. Oct. 16, 1831 MO, d. ca. 1818 Fayette Co., >IL, dau. of Somomon and Mary (Greene) Reavis), married: > >1) Henderson Ledbetter, May 21, 1850, Fayette Co., IL >2) Thomason Dycus, Aug. 26, 1855, Fayette Co., IL >3) Miles C. McKinney, Jan. 14, 1858 (he died ca. 1864, Civil War) >4) Robert Ellison, Aug. 1, 1866. > >Is this the same Mary Ann, widow of Miles C. McKinney, who married Samuel >Wood Osborn? When were they married?