>First, I think you have the "crevice/reevis" backwards. The prouncation of >REVIS rhymes with "crevice". > My Reavis family has pronounced the name sounding similar to "crevice" for as long as I can remember. I understand Revis is also pronounced the same. Logan Reavis bca1831, who tried to move the Capitol to St. Louis, apparently pronounced his name as "reevis" rather than as above. A street in south St. Louis bears the name, Reavis Barracks Road, and is pronounced "reevis". I spoke with a fellow this fall, from near St. Louis, who spells his name as Reavis and pronounces it as "reevis". Just curious about pronunciation changes as well as spelling. Chris

My name is Ben Reavis and I know how all my family have always pronounced it. I recently met a descendant of James Blount Reavis and he pronounced it the same as I did. We haven't connected James to the rest of our Reavis line as shown in the Reavis book. According to Elmo Reavis, everybody he met while reseaching Reavis history pronounced it the same, from NC to Ca. Ben (crevics) Reavis

My sister and brother -in-law spell the name Revis and pronounce it REEvis. But this brings to mind, Barb, because I don't think anyone else related to family is on the list, that Samuel Smith-5 Reavis, used Reavis with his first wife, and second wife and family, and eventually changed to Revis around 1895. His third wife and family use that spelling. I can't prove it was to differentiate families. His niece said it was because it was shorter to spell. His death certificate is under Revis so that generation was about 5 1/2. Lynne Revis

> > The prouncation of >> REVIS rhymes with "crevice". > >as does REAVIS *B > One thing my grandfather's family always laughed about was how easy it was to spot a "stranger" when someone telephoned or knocked at the door. If the person asked for "Mr. REE-viss" we knew he/she had never been around the family before. If the name was pronounced the same as we did (rhymed with "crevice") then it was obviously someone who knew us! <g> JS -- ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School [email protected] ____________________________

> When/where/why did the name pronunciation change to include Reavis/Revis > (crevice) and (reevis)? > > Most St. Louis Reavises have pronounced it "reevis" for at least a century > . . . I think my area has always used the other. > > Any clues? Chris, First, I think you have the "crevice/reevis" backwards. The prouncation of REVIS rhymes with "crevice". My wife's family for at least 4 generations back have all been REVIS. "say REV (as in revrand) and ISS" The other spelling REAVIS I'm not as familair with and Barb can answer this better than I because that is her family name. I am associated with a linguistic organization and although I'm no linguist (I'm and engineer).. When TWO vowels occur together as when the name is spelled R EA VIS the "EA" is sounded as one syllabal/sound.. called a dipthong ( a gliding monosylllabic speech sound). Thus in your case in MO the sound chosen was/is the "hard E' as in the sentance "Will you read to me?". Some may make the EA sound as in the sentance "He read the book to me." Same word, two sounds, in different contexts. Language, especially pronouncation of proper names, is very interesting! Much of it is culturally and socially conditioned. Hope this is helpful and not too technical.. Bill :) > > ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > Support free volunteer genealogy. > Contribute your data and your time. For details see: > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > RootsWeb supports our research by hosting our mailing list! > Do you support RootsWeb? > ----------------- > > _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

>Please remember we need the generation where the name spelling >changed. When/where/why did the name pronunciation change to include Reavis/Revis (crevice) and (reevis)? Most St. Louis Reavises have pronounced it "reevis" for at least a century . . . I think my area has always used the other. Any clues?

we have a copy of what is purported to be his signature frm an 1830 deed...but in looking at it, believe it is as follows: Harris Revis R which could be someone wrote the name Harris REVIS and he made his mark R..or?? His affidavit for his bro Henry's pension is also signed by "mark" but as REAVIS *B

Barb, This is surprising news about an Edward Ashley. I have some CD's with early Virginia records; I will have a look and see what I can find. Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 11:33 AM Subject: [REAVIS] EDWARD ASHLEY...1714 > Ludwell rec'd land in Surry co Va for transporting persons, one > being Edward Ashley. Might try to trace him. *B > > > ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > This is the REAVIS Discussion List > You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=REAVIS > for past messages posted to this list > ----------------- > >

Keep up the responses, as I am checking my list twice to see who's...you know what I mean. Please remember we need the generation where the name spelling changed. Thanks, Lynne Revis

Dear James and All, I agree with your reasoning on keeping the list ONE at this time. The only reason I made the suggestion that RIVIS/REVIS may need a separate list in the first place was a statement made by Barb that: "Now I want to add that my database is "connected", all persons can be traced back to Edward-1; what other family in the US can do that? So there must be some truth in the fact that he originated the name. In which case, all the other Rivis/Revis, as so far have proven to be NO relation to ours." *Barb She has since corrected the last paragraph about the Rivis/Revis to be "NO relation to ours." Barb states "OBVIOUSLY, my statement was not correct, in that the Revis/Reavis in my database are all connected to the 7 sons of Edward-1, with the exception of John E Revis who married Rebecca Heatherly. It has long been assumed (which is not documented) that he was grandson of George-3 and Sarah Pearson. NOTHING has been found to disasso- ciate him frm this family. So guess, if you have questions along this line, need to verify same. *Barb Since John E. Revis who married Rebecca Heatherly is the line I am seeking to document I will do as Barb suggests. Regards, Bill L. (sheepshine) PS to Barb: Did you mean in your statement quoted above that all the other Rivis/Revis, (IN THE UK) as so far have proven to be no relation to ours (IN THE US)?? If so does this commit us to the "Edward-1 name-change theory"? Keep up the GREAT work everyone.. I'll do my best to find John E -4 Revis' parents.. working on a link to James-3. By the way unless he is in an unmarked grave in Bartlett Ward Cemetery he is NOT there. I have looked! I've seen John E. listed as buried at Ward Cemetery. I am now following a lead that he MAY be buried in the Tyger Baptist Church cemetery in Tigerville, SC.. just 20 minutes from where I live.. I go there this week. The church may have records. I know that his son John M -5 Revis is buried there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Shuman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [REAVIS] Setting up a separate List for RIVIS/REVIS > At 1:15 pm -0500 11/12/00, sheepshine wrote: > > [snip] > > >Maybe there should be a separate RIVIS/REVIS mailing/discussion list on > >Rootsweb to keep others from confusing the two lines. What about this > >suggestion John S.? * Bill L. > > > > People are always free to request a surname mailing list from > RootsWeb. Generally, if the requesting person can show that there are > researchers interested in that particular spelling who are > independent of the "main" spelling, they will honor the request. > > At this time, we are finding that *most* of the "Revis rhymes with > crevice" researchers are actually descendants of the "original > Edward." > > However, our British cousin, Andrew Sefton, indicates there are quite > a few folks in England who use one of the alternate spellings. We > have also seen that a few immigrations to the New England colonies > apparently bear little relationship to "our" Edward. > > On the other hand, Andrew feels there *might* be a relationship > farther back, and has promised on this List that he will keep > searching the early records in England. > > Membership on the REAVIS Mailing List has stayed around 75 - 85 for > the past several months, and it appears that nearly all of the > subscribers are, in fact, looking for better information relating to > the wide-spread family descending from Edward-1. As anyone can see, > the bulk of the messages contributed on this list are sent by 12-15 > people, with another dozen or so making less frequent contributions. > that leaves 2/3 to 3/4 of the subscribers as "lurkers" -- folks who > wish to receive the messages, but have nothing at the moment to > contribute. > > Further, there is already a REAVES list, which has about 50 > subscribers, and very low "traffic." > > Thus, I do not feel that it is appropriate at this time to establish > a separate List, as that would tend to confuse most of the > REVIS/RIVIS researchers who are just beginning their work. If it > becomes obvious that quite a number of them are actually searching a > different line or lines, then *that* would be the time to establish > such a List -- and I would welcome someone from that group doing so. > > Perhaps the answers to Barb's "poll" will indicate the degree of > interest, or lack thereof. > > Regards! > > JS > List Custodian > -- > ____________________________ > James Shuman, art instructor > Modesto High School > [email protected] > ____________________________ > > > ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== > ----------------- > You can unsubscribe by clicking below for the regular list: > mailto:[email protected] > Click below for the digest list: > mailto:[email protected] > In the BODY include only one word: unsubscribe > ----------------- > > ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________

daughters of James-3. Elizabeth m/Thornton, Lucinday m/Claton, Nancy m/Daniel Green Brown Have something that might explain the name of Jonathon Hampton Reavis, s/o (James) Morgan Reavis s/o James-3 Parents of the Browns were Francis and Eleanor. Rutherford Co NC January Term 1813 "The court appointed Elinor Brown guardian to her children being minors, viz. Claton, Jacob, Daniel, Elizabeth, Thornton, Clarissa, Lefoster and Leander; orphans of Francis Brown, deceased, who came into open court and entered into Bond with David Dickey and JONATHON HAMPTON in the sum of L1000 for her faithful guardian- ship." Interesting, eh? *B

In a message dated 11/13/2000 5:50:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Most St. Louis Reavises have pronounced it "reevis" for at least a century > . . . I think my area has always used the other. Don't know, but people not familiar with the family pronounce it "reevis" here in middle NC. Don

> The prouncation of > REVIS rhymes with "crevice". as does REAVIS *B

In a message dated 11/12/2000 8:20:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > 1810 R120 REAVES Sarah M-252 042 130 NdRcd Forgot her last nite, she was 2d w/o Edward who d<1810, s/o James-2. The Edward and Edmond on 1800 were prob he and his son (or poss s/o David-3). *B

Apparently some of these descendants no longer on list, so will put their data here. Used REVIS Thomas J.-6 descendants JJ-5, James-4, Edw-3 James-2 Francis Marion-6 descendants JJ-5, James-4, Edw-3, James-2 Samuel-3 descendants Wm-2 Wm-2 first family, most used REAVES *B

In a message dated 11/13/2000 3:06:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > PS to Barb: Did you mean in your statement quoted above that all the other > Rivis/Revis, (IN THE UK) as so far have proven to be no relation to ours (IN > THE US)?? If so does this commit us to the "Edward-1 name-change theory"? **short ans YES All my words seem still not to clarify what I wanted to express; ie accd to all Edward-1 research to date, no proof of any connection to ANY RIVES...meaning Ryves (since the family name was changed by act of parliament). REVIS of course is part of the REAVIS lineage, in that many of the orig Edw-1 family have used the name Revis, and those have been readily connected to the lineage of Edward-1. Thus the early use of Rivis in records..I guess would be phonetic ie sound crevice/Revice; as were Reviss, Revice, Re v v is; Reaves sometimes found( prob because the dot on the '"i" was not clear), etc; esp in light of the fact that the sig- natures we have accumulated frm the first 2-3 generations are generally REAVIS. It is the consideration of Edward-1 researchers that he created the name Reavis (even though we find it spelled many various ways in records frm 1721 to date), and that his original surname was either Ashley or Cooper. I am a latecomer to this theory, was sure had proved otherwise, but naught! Why else have we been able to trace and connect all to lineage of Edward-1? My point was that my database contains not just people with spellings of Reavis/Revis; but that all are connected to Edward-1. (I also have prob 100 families, separate, researching for connection). There are many yet not found, especially the female family members. We have pointed out the only other Revis families in the US and the two early ones do not connect to our lineage. And they in fact do not have, if any, male descendants. As for Revis in the UK, I have no knowledge. Had thought for sure ours was frm London area, but seems not. Spellings there seem to be as var- ied. The other two Revis' families came much later in the 1800's. Then we have the probable sister of Edward-1, Frances; was her name also changed? But then we have no documentation that Frances who married Thos. Alley(who obtained with "Edward Rivis" the 400 acre Royal Patent) was in fact sis of Edw-1. Yet this Edward indeed seems to be our Edward-1. Why was the name Rivis and Revis found/used in Va records, and then in NC Reaves/Reavise/Reavis? Still a lot of unknowns. Sorry if did not express myself satisfactorily. *Barb

Ludwell rec'd land in Surry co Va for transporting persons, one being Edward Ashley. Might try to trace him. *B

In a message dated 11/13/2000 4:37:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > My vote is to keep things the way they are. > > Andrew Sefton > Yorkshire > England > For what my input is worth, I SECOND IT! The list was set up for research of Edward-1 progenitor of the Reavis/Revis family in America. Since it appears we no longer connect the Reavis/Revis surname to his original "surname", believed to have been Ashley or Cooper. It is pointless to continue researching along those lines. This was so stated by Fenton Reavis, Elmo Reavis, and and Marie Reavis Hall; and after ALL of my reseach, I concur. I did not when I began, because of all the records I found, was sure would find a connection; but as I have stated, all have been connected to Edward-1 (for clarification purposes, John E 1797- 1879..likely but not yet proved, g'son of George-3; he was in same area and same time period, if not George's son James, perhaps his son John). That is where my research and my co-researchers Don and Ben's, has been directed; descendants of Edward-1; and not finding any other Reavis/Revis that did not connect. I do have many I am work- ing with, but so far, have found no other lineage. The only other option to learning his original surname, which is thought to be either Ashley or Cooper, would be to try and research that aspect in American records. *Barb

I also think setting up a separate list for the various spellings would be a step in the wrong direction. Even though there are some we cannot trace back to Edward, we know there a various spellings that can be. We welcome the other families to join in as we all have a common goal. By working together in tracing all the possibilities we can make more progress for all concerned. Don Comer

I do not think there would be enough interest to set up a RIVIS-UK. There are not enough researchers around! A REVIS/RIVIS list may work but it would be a pity to split up such an active list. Sometimes it is good to get a second opinion on something you are researching from an active list like this one. The question should be put to the REAVIS members to see if they mind RIVIS/REVIS postings and even ones from unconnected RIVIS/REVIS postings from other countries. At the moment it is pointless for me to make any postings as there will be no one to aim at! My vote is to keep things the way they are. Andrew Sefton Yorkshire England -----Original Message----- From: James Shuman [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 13 November 2000 02:27 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [REAVIS] Setting up a separate List for RIVIS/REVIS Now comes the big question: Do you, as a REVIS/RIVIS researcher, feel the need for a separate List? This could take the form of a separate surname (one or both of the above) or as a surname connected to the geographic location, such as RIVIS-UK. Thanks! JS List Custodian -- ____________________________ James Shuman, art instructor Modesto High School [email protected] ____________________________ ==== REAVIS Mailing List ==== ----------------- This is the REAVIS Discussion List You can check the Rootsweb Archives at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=REAVIS for past messages posted to this list -----------------