Carolyn, Joseph Ratliff, the one you mentioned born 1835, is my gr grand daddy. And yes he is the son of Guilford and Mahala Ratliff. Joseph ( b.1835) Ratliff married Frances Harrell Their children, The first possibly being illegit. and maybe why I can find nothing on him but know he existed as he was my mother's uncle. *Lee Ratliff (Lee may have been a middle name though?) went to Cripple Creek, Colo. *Louisa Ratliff called LU, b. Jan 18, 1859... she too just fell under the wire to be legitimate and from the date I had of Joseph and Frances's marriage, Frances was pregnant prior to her marriage. *Mary is next, and Mary was never able to have children, but she raised her brother Thompson's daughter, Vera. *Tom (Thompson) Ratliff (Cattleman, then opened a gambling casino and Saloon with my grand dad in Woodward,Oklahoma. Wife died in childbirth leaving Vera with Mary for care. Tom at some point went to New Mexico, and in a roping accident was killed). *George Ratliff (he had at least a son and a daughter. The Daughter was Frances and both were attending college in Ok City, Ok. in 1926-27 as was my Aunt Thelma Ratliff) *Sam (Samuel, Sampson) Ratliff. Ma said he had 2 or 3 boys but we did not associate after his mother in law who may have been suffering from Alzheimer was found standing over Thelma's crib with a large butcher knife in a threatening manner, Grand dad was afraid she may be dangerous and I guess he and Sam had irreparable words about it. *JOSEPH Ratliff, grand dad was born between 1874 and 1877 I have documentation for several dates as he left home at age 11, after his mother's death and father's remarriage. The SS department settled on 1875 for General purposes. He married Elsie Rogers, in Woodward, Oklahoma. (If I could discover Frances date of death I could give a better estimate of Joe's birthdate as he was 8 when she died). *Andrew Ratliff was the youngest, and we never knew what he died of as grand dad did not say. I have wondered if Frances died giving birth to Andrew and he died shortly afterwards ??? I only know he died young, that was all grand dad would say. Now there seemed to have been one more, but my mother's memory was getting bad and for the life of her she could not remember the name. I think it may have been the step daughter. When Frances died, my grand dad Joseph re-married to a woman who had a daughter. I do not know the woman's name, or when they supposedly married. Any, help you may offer would be greatly appreciated. You have a few names in the list I have not seen before. Do you have any documentation that you may be willing to share, or Photos. A flood took the only one we had of Frances. Thank, Kelly _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]