Actually Cindi..... it is the descent from Jacob that causes this aparent flaw in our personalitites... J. <>< -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 4:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards Hi all, How certain is the info contained in this book? I've never seen it. I'm descended from Jacob, too according to Rick Ramey's research--he got further on our line than my dad had (ours is from Sanford, Sr. and Jemima) so I don't know a lot of stuff! I just found out yesterday I may be related to Charlemagne (and half the royal lines of Europe according to this source!) so the story about Desiderata is particularly interesting! Tell me more! Cyndi P.S. If the humor-impaired people are not from Jacob, maybe we should start a Jacob Remy list...