Excelent question ......... And..... if Cleo has to give up her crown then I will have to give up my Staint-hood..... :( ALSO as I have ask before.... has ANYONE done any research on Beatrix de Rosieres... and who is this Marchioness de Busancy? OR...has the good Dr. Rhamey again misspelled a name or two........ Any Takers? -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards Marsil, Cyndi, Sharon, Jeannie and All, Here is serious research. I have been looking at this Remy Book I got from Wilma and it mentions Didier, who lived around 1435 and was a descendent of King Didier Rheims of the Lombards in 750. Many of us have the ancestor, Didlier Remy 1485-1556, the ancestor of Jacob Remy, the immigrant. Many of us on the list come from this line. I did some research: King Didier was called Desidarius and had a daughter, not a sister as the book states, whose name was Desiderata. She was married to King Charlamagne, who later became Emperor of Rome. He didn't like her and eventually sent her back to daddy. This started the Lombard War that lasted eight years, ending with the defeat of Desidarius at Pavia, and he was sent into exile at a monastary at Liege. I wonder why Dr. Ramey, who compiled this book, thought this king was a Rheims/Remy. I can't find a surname for him. In those times, most people didn't have surnames. Can anyone help me out on this one? Was King Desidarius a Remy, and if he was, was he of this Didlier to Jacob line? Marsil may have to give back that crown after all. Lois Arthur in Indiana [email protected]