Jeannie, Don't rock the boat. I'm too fragile. I have already nailed down these Ramey ancestors and have gone on to others. I would hate to think I would have to start all over again. If the Remys were of noble birth, not necessarily of royal birth, they may not have been of enough renown to become part of French history, but being landowners and having special favors bestowed upon them and the like, records were probably kept. Perhapes our Doctor Rhamey had access to old records. Genealogy going back this far, hundreds of years, is a shot in the dark anyway. During the Dark Ages, when many of these Remys lived, things disappeared. A lot was lost. Who knows what was happening then. Scientists tell us that there were massive fires across the land. Stop and think. If our electrical power system in this country was eliminated completely. Most all of our records concerning everything we are doing or have done would be lost. Everything is kept on computer hard drives. What we are today seems to depend on being able to push a botton that is connected to a power supply somewhere. Anyway, Maybe Dr. Rhamey had actual records of long ago Remys to draw from, or maybe he made it all up or thought he was right when actually he was wrong. I would be interested in what Rick Ramey on this list has to say about all of this. Rick has been doing serious Ramey research for years. I know that he does not rely on The Book for his information. What does Rick think of the ancestors of Jacob Remy? Lois Arthur ------------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------------ : Just HOW did the name of Rheims-Ramey-Remy etc etc etc.... OR Didier Remy : come out of Desiderius and this history.... NO where can I find the name : of Ramy regardless of how you spell it............. : : NOW...... the next biggie is has ANYONE proven the parentage of : Jacque/Jacob born 1630 and our basic everyday grandpa in this family? : : OR are we just taking the old Dr's word for it..... I have sure been : finding that the good Dr was sort of off base once he left this country.... : Perhaps just wishful thinking..... Am I wrong........ : : Jeannie <>< : : : ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== :

http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/7/0,5716,109527+6,00.html Just HOW did the name of Rheims-Ramey-Remy etc etc etc.... OR Didier Remy come out of Desiderius and this history.... NO where can I find the name of Ramy regardless of how you spell it............. NOW...... the next biggie is has ANYONE proven the parentage of Jacque/Jacob born 1630 and our basic everyday grandpa in this family? OR are we just taking the old Dr's word for it..... I have sure been finding that the good Dr was sort of off base once he left this country.... Perhaps just wishful thinking..... Am I wrong........ Jeannie <><

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It sorta looks that way to me.... sorry........ have you gone to that website and read all of the stuff there.. WOW...... good read....... -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur [mailto:parish@smithville.net] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 8:22 PM To: RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] nobility HA! Jean, Does this mean that my crown isn't any good? Say it ain't so. Nefi ------------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-------- : You know what boys and girls...... I think that we have been duped by old : Dr Rhamy.... I have been reading all afternoon and there is no indication : that all that stuff is true.... there is just NOTHING on the net concerning : this family and ANY connection with nobility bought, given or any thing : else..... ==== RAMEY Mailing List ====

Stay calm Nefi-MY crown is secure and deserved. I bought and paid for it. Let them eat cake. Cleo, Queen of DeNial. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lois Arthur <parish@smithville.net> To: <RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 3:21 AM Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] nobility HA! > Jean, > > Does this mean that my crown isn't any good? Say it ain't so. > > Nefi > > ------------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-------- > : You know what boys and girls...... I think that we have been duped by > old > : Dr Rhamy.... I have been reading all afternoon and there is no > indication > : that all that stuff is true.... there is just NOTHING on the net > concerning > : this family and ANY connection with nobility bought, given or any thing > : else..... > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > >

Jean, Does this mean that my crown isn't any good? Say it ain't so. Nefi ------------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-------- : You know what boys and girls...... I think that we have been duped by old : Dr Rhamy.... I have been reading all afternoon and there is no indication : that all that stuff is true.... there is just NOTHING on the net concerning : this family and ANY connection with nobility bought, given or any thing : else.....

You know what boys and girls...... I think that we have been duped by old Dr Rhamy.... I have been reading all afternoon and there is no indication that all that stuff is true.... there is just NOTHING on the net concerning this family and ANY connection with nobility bought, given or any thing else..... I wonder where he got this information... I assumed that he was correct as he listed things that SOUNDED legit........ but... now am having second thoughts.... Still want to check out this ennobled stuff and see where that leads.... I think that this family just came from Rheims and assumed the name..... as was common in that day and age....... And some one has elaborated on that and walla we are a great and noble name .. har har... Just my thoughts on the subject... tho being female I am allowed to change my mind.. :) jd. <><

I have an old family bible which identifies my great great grandfather as George William Ramey of which I posted about last week and several of you posted replies, for which I am most appreciative. As I indicated, he is on the Chickasaw County, Mississippi census in 1850 as George with a wife Jane, and a son John. This listing agrees with other info that I have including listings in 1870, 80, 90 for George. In digging I found a sale today in December 1847 of Indian land in Pontotoc to George Washington Ramey of Chickasaw County, Mississippi. Is the bible wrong with the William or ???? Any thoughts would be appreciated. For further reference, George W?? is the father of Joseph Robert, John Milton, William Virgil and George Columbus and brother to William Francis and William Neale Jr.

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HI.... I had to laugh when you ask is Geo. William and possibly Geo Washington the same person... yes COULD be.... My friend and I looked for her Grandfather for years only to find that he used 2 different set of names.... Initials were the same.. Walter Edgar Holderby and Walter EDWARD Holderby... he signed his name both ways.... Drove us crazy until we figured out that they one and the same person..... my great grand father went by the name of both Francis CHARLES and Francis MARIAN Eggleston..... and who knows why, have my thoughts on the subject tho.... As I don't think that he bothered to divorce his first wife and married my G-grandmother under the FC name..as they named their 1st son Francis Charles... must have been and inside joke with them....... He may have had a reason to change part of his name..... one will never know.... Then again it could be two different folks.. the Indians had to take white names then so it may be an Indian that used that name to get the land..... check on the Indian rolls and see if there was an Indian with that name...... Jd. <>< -----Original Message----- From: Tom Ramey [mailto:tramey@txucom.net] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 4:12 PM To: RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAMEY-L] More George William Ramey I have an old family bible which identifies my great great grandfather as George William Ramey of which I posted about last week and several of you posted replies, for which I am most appreciative. As I indicated, he is on the Chickasaw County, Mississippi census in 1850 as George with a wife Jane, and a son John. This listing agrees with other info that I have including listings in 1870, 80, 90 for George. In digging I found a sale today in December 1847 of Indian land in Pontotoc to George Washington Ramey of Chickasaw County, Mississippi. Is the bible wrong with the William or ???? Any thoughts would be appreciated. For further reference, George W?? is the father of Joseph Robert, John Milton, William Virgil and George Columbus and brother to William Francis and William Neale Jr. ==== RAMEY Mailing List ====

Jeannie, You mean Beatrix de Busancy, wife of Georges Remy and great grandaughter of the Marchioness de Busancy of Rosieres. Sounds so grand, don't they. I have tried to track down this line and come up with nothing. I tried French royality sites and everything. Actually, these people lived in the medieval period of Europe when it was believed that an asteroid hit the earth, or some catatrophic event occurred to darken the planet for years, and the advance of civilization ceased.......... The Dark Ages. It is difficult to trace ancestors through this period. I did find a tourist castle in France called Chateau de Rosieres, a 15th and 17th century fortress. Could this be the home of our Marchioness? Also, I found a rose called the Marchioness of Rosieres. So, there is some memory of this family yet. I'll bet that the Marchioness had a crown. If "you know who" got her hands on it, it would end up in a pawn shop in Roswell. Lois Arthur in Indiana parish@smithville.net ---------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-----------: : Now calm down Nefi, Calm down....... And by the by..... has any one tried to : track down any thing on Beatrice de la what ever... don't have my papers in : front of me...... think that I have ask this before..... ? ....... : Jeannie <>< : : : parish@smithville.net : :

Ahhhhhhhhhhh what a mess I made here old Georges brother Nicholas was ENNOBLED with the title of Seigneur de Rosieres en Blois... so sorry...... need to research before I open my mouth.... Again.. jd. <>< -----Original Message----- From: Jean Dalrymple [mailto:motherd@theriver.com] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:05 PM To:c Subject: [RAMEY-L] royalty ? Tee-hee-hee boy you are surely trying to breed a scab on your nose.. tee hee hee... And as far as the royalty lists etc I have been that route too and got run out of town for even suggesting that perhaps there was some hoity toity in this Ramey family, something about "YOU have been reading THAT book haven't you?" ... OH my, OH MY.......... There has got to be something to all of this as there is the Archives in France with a lot of this info to be seen..... and as you say there is the castle or what ever, and wasn't it George that inherited that loverly piece of land....... Must get a hold of a deed or something... but where to start..... any one have an idea or would any one like to take this project on... perhaps get a committee together to work TOGETHER to locate some of this stuff.... You know there are over 150 souls on this list, you would think that there would be some one or two or three that would like to take this on for the benefit of all.......... Come on one of you 145 lurkers..... pop out from behind the bushes and lets get together and do something....... Jeannie <>< -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur [mailto:parish@smithville.net] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:52 PM To: RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] Ramey Ohio 1826-80 Jeannie, You mean Beatrix de Busancy, wife of Georges Remy and great grandaughter of the Marchioness de Busancy of Rosieres. Sounds so grand, don't they. I have tried to track down this line and come up with nothing. I tried French royality sites and everything. Actually, these people lived in the medieval period of Europe when it was believed that an asteroid hit the earth, or some catatrophic event occurred to darken the planet for years, and the advance of civilization ceased.......... The Dark Ages. It is difficult to trace ancestors through this period. I did find a tourist castle in France called Chateau de Rosieres, a 15th and 17th century fortress. Could this be the home of our Marchioness? Also, I found a rose called the Marchioness of Rosieres. So, there is some memory of this family yet. I'll bet that the Marchioness had a crown. If "you know who" got her hands on it, it would end up in a pawn shop in Roswell. Lois Arthur in Indiana parish@smithville.net ---------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-----------: : Now calm down Nefi, Calm down....... And by the by..... has any one tried to : track down any thing on Beatrice de la what ever... don't have my papers in : front of me...... think that I have ask this before..... ? ....... : Jeannie <>< : : : parish@smithville.net : : ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== ==== RAMEY Mailing List ====

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Tee-hee-hee boy you are surely trying to breed a scab on your nose.. tee hee hee... And as far as the royalty lists etc I have been that route too and got run out of town for even suggesting that perhaps there was some hoity toity in this Ramey family, something about "YOU have been reading THAT book haven't you?" ... OH my, OH MY.......... There has got to be something to all of this as there is the Archives in France with a lot of this info to be seen..... and as you say there is the castle or what ever, and wasn't it George that inherited that loverly piece of land....... Must get a hold of a deed or something... but where to start..... any one have an idea or would any one like to take this project on... perhaps get a committee together to work TOGETHER to locate some of this stuff.... You know there are over 150 souls on this list, you would think that there would be some one or two or three that would like to take this on for the benefit of all.......... Come on one of you 145 lurkers..... pop out from behind the bushes and lets get together and do something....... Jeannie <>< -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur [mailto:parish@smithville.net] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:52 PM To: RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] Ramey Ohio 1826-80 Jeannie, You mean Beatrix de Busancy, wife of Georges Remy and great grandaughter of the Marchioness de Busancy of Rosieres. Sounds so grand, don't they. I have tried to track down this line and come up with nothing. I tried French royality sites and everything. Actually, these people lived in the medieval period of Europe when it was believed that an asteroid hit the earth, or some catatrophic event occurred to darken the planet for years, and the advance of civilization ceased.......... The Dark Ages. It is difficult to trace ancestors through this period. I did find a tourist castle in France called Chateau de Rosieres, a 15th and 17th century fortress. Could this be the home of our Marchioness? Also, I found a rose called the Marchioness of Rosieres. So, there is some memory of this family yet. I'll bet that the Marchioness had a crown. If "you know who" got her hands on it, it would end up in a pawn shop in Roswell. Lois Arthur in Indiana parish@smithville.net ---------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-----------: : Now calm down Nefi, Calm down....... And by the by..... has any one tried to : track down any thing on Beatrice de la what ever... don't have my papers in : front of me...... think that I have ask this before..... ? ....... : Jeannie <>< : : : parish@smithville.net : : ==== RAMEY Mailing List ====

Now calm down Nefi, Calm down....... And by the by..... has any one tried to track down any thing on Beatrice de la what ever... don't have my papers in front of me...... think that I have ask this before..... ? ....... Jeannie <>< -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur [mailto:parish@smithville.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 8:39 PM To: RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] Ramey Ohio 1826-80 These Muskingum, Ohio Rameys are my line. I descend from Keziah Ramey who married Joseph Parish Kaziah was the daughter of Alexander Ramey and Elizabeth Cooke. Alexander was the son of John Jr., son of John Sr., son of William, son of Jacob.........Pierre.......Jacques........Georges and Didlier. Would be willing to share my information with others of this line. Incidently, this is the line where I inherited my crown that Marcil later snatched. She's so jealous. Lois Arthur in Indiana parish@smithville.net -------------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------------ : Hayne's or Hoopers Society "Blacklog" Cemetery #45 [?] : Falls Township, Muskingum County, Ohio : : RAMEY, Sanford W. b. Oct 30, 1826 d. Nov 14, 1901 : RAMEY, Sarah E. (McVey) b. Nov 25, 1834 d. Nov 2, 1897 : RAMEY, Susan d. Nov 25, 1880 87y10m0d w/o Sanford : RAMEY, Sanford d. July 7, 1854 71y 6m 12d : RAMEY, Martha Elizabeth d. Oct 16, 1858 1 y4m2d d/o Sanford J. & Sarah E. : : copied at Ohio Gen Soc Lib, Mansfield OH, June 2000 : I have no further information. Ann : : : : ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== : ==== RAMEY Mailing List ====

These Muskingum, Ohio Rameys are my line. I descend from Keziah Ramey who married Joseph Parish Kaziah was the daughter of Alexander Ramey and Elizabeth Cooke. Alexander was the son of John Jr., son of John Sr., son of William, son of Jacob.........Pierre.......Jacques........Georges and Didlier. Would be willing to share my information with others of this line. Incidently, this is the line where I inherited my crown that Marcil later snatched. She's so jealous. Lois Arthur in Indiana parish@smithville.net -------------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------------ : Hayne's or Hoopers Society "Blacklog" Cemetery #45 [?] : Falls Township, Muskingum County, Ohio : : RAMEY, Sanford W. b. Oct 30, 1826 d. Nov 14, 1901 : RAMEY, Sarah E. (McVey) b. Nov 25, 1834 d. Nov 2, 1897 : RAMEY, Susan d. Nov 25, 1880 87y10m0d w/o Sanford : RAMEY, Sanford d. July 7, 1854 71y 6m 12d : RAMEY, Martha Elizabeth d. Oct 16, 1858 1 y4m2d d/o Sanford J. & Sarah E. : : copied at Ohio Gen Soc Lib, Mansfield OH, June 2000 : I have no further information. Ann : : : : ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== :

Hayne's or Hoopers Society "Blacklog" Cemetery #45 [?] Falls Township, Muskingum County, Ohio RAMEY, Sanford W. b. Oct 30, 1826 d. Nov 14, 1901 RAMEY, Sarah E. (McVey) b. Nov 25, 1834 d. Nov 2, 1897 RAMEY, Susan d. Nov 25, 1880 87y10m0d w/o Sanford RAMEY, Sanford d. July 7, 1854 71y 6m 12d RAMEY, Martha Elizabeth d. Oct 16, 1858 1 y4m2d d/o Sanford J. & Sarah E. copied at Ohio Gen Soc Lib, Mansfield OH, June 2000 I have no further information. Ann

Hi Raven Do you have a county in KY for Andy Ramey? ----- Original Message ----- From: <Raven4512@aol.com> To: <RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 2:52 AM Subject: [RAMEY-L] Andy Ramey gg grandfather > I want yall to know I love this mailing list. > > I am new to researching Ramey genealogy and have made some definite progress > until recently. > > I am seeking info on Andy Ramey ABT 1875. He married Jannie of Janie White > (not sure of the date of marriage). He died (according to Kentucky death > records) 1951. > I'm not sure of all the children. My grandfather's name was Julius Caesar > Ramey born 1899 in Atlanta, Ga. died 1971 in Richmond Ind. > Any information is greatly appreciated. > > Raven > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE to this list send a new e-mail to RAMEY-L-request@rootsweb.com or Ramey-D-request@rootsweb.com and in the body type UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else. >

I want yall to know I love this mailing list. I am new to researching Ramey genealogy and have made some definite progress until recently. I am seeking info on Andy Ramey ABT 1875. He married Jannie of Janie White (not sure of the date of marriage). He died (according to Kentucky death records) 1951. I'm not sure of all the children. My grandfather's name was Julius Caesar Ramey born 1899 in Atlanta, Ga. died 1971 in Richmond Ind. Any information is greatly appreciated. Raven