One of them, Josiah Bartlett, was a physician. A grandmother of my mother sent my mother a letter saying Josiah was our ancestor. I have not been able to verify that. We do have our line back to a Robert Bartlett b 07/19/1786 Colchester CT. Robert may have been a grandson of Josiah but I have not found any verification. Need help there. This Josiah was a fantastic person, seemingly in the midst of everything of great importance in his day. I found a wonderful writeup on him in the " Dictionary of American Biography " I think. Paul Ramey afn48665@afn.org paulramey@dellnet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Jean Dalrymple wrote: > I am sending out the 4th goodies early as I will have company this week and > then be on the road traveling to MO over the holidays. Every one have a > safe one... Jeannie <>< > ----------------------- > Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the > Declaration of Independence? > Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before > they died. > Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in > the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured. > Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary > War. > They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred > honor. > What kind of men were they? > Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were > farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they > signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty > would be death if they were captured. > Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships > swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to > pay his debts, and died in rags. > Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his > family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his > family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty > was his reward. > Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, > Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. > At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British > General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He > quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was > destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. > Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his > wife, and she died within a few months. > John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 > children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to > waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to > find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from > exhaustion and a broken heart. > Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and > sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, > rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. > They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, > and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with > firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge > to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." > They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never > told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't fight > just the British. > We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some > of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn't. So, take a > few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these > patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember: freedom is > never free! > By: Robert Jordan Ross > > > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > > >

How GREAT!.... I think it is always interesting to have a link to some one connected to our freedom, (even if its only a possible link to some one) on this side of the pond... thanks for sharing..... Jeannie <>< -----Original Message----- From: Paul Maynard Ramey Jr [mailto:afn48665@afn.org] Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 8:05 PM To: RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] Declaration of Independence, thanks Ted Cox One of them, Josiah Bartlett, was a physician. A grandmother of my mother sent my mother a letter saying Josiah was our ancestor. I have not been able to verify that. We do have our line back to a Robert Bartlett b 07/19/1786 Colchester CT. Robert may have been a grandson of Josiah but I have not found any verification. Need help there. This Josiah was a fantastic person, seemingly in the midst of everything of great importance in his day. I found a wonderful writeup on him in the " Dictionary of American Biography " I think. Paul Ramey afn48665@afn.org paulramey@dellnet.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, Jean Dalrymple wrote: > I am sending out the 4th goodies early as I will have company this week and > then be on the road traveling to MO over the holidays. Every one have a > safe one... Jeannie <>< > ----------------------- > Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the > Declaration of Independence? > Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before > they died. > Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in > the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured. > Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary > War. > They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred > honor. > What kind of men were they? > Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were > farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they > signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty > would be death if they were captured. > Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships > swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to > pay his debts, and died in rags. > Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his > family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his > family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty > was his reward. > Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, > Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. > At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British > General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He > quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was > destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. > Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his > wife, and she died within a few months. > John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 > children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to > waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to > find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from > exhaustion and a broken heart. > Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and > sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, > rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. > They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, > and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with > firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge > to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." > They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never > told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't fight > just the British. > We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some > of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn't. So, take a > few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these > patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember: freedom is > never free! > By: Robert Jordan Ross > > > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE to this list send a new e-mail to RAMEY-L-request@rootsweb.com or Ramey-D-request@rootsweb.com and in the body type UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else.

I am sending out the 4th goodies early as I will have company this week and then be on the road traveling to MO over the holidays. Every one have a safe one... Jeannie <>< ----------------------- Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence? Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army; another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the Revolutionary War. They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners; men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured. Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton. At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months. John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates. Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: "For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor." They gave you and me a free and independent America. The history books never told you a lot about what happened in the Revolutionary War. We didn't fight just the British. We were British subjects at that time and we fought our own government! Some of us take these liberties so much for granted, but we shouldn't. So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid. Remember: freedom is never free! By: Robert Jordan Ross

Bravery..... One summer evening, during a violent thunderstorm, a mother was tucking her small boy into bed. She was about to turn off the light when he asked with a tremor in his voice, "Mommy will you sleep with me tonight?" The mother smiled and gave him a reassuring hug. "I can't dear, I have to sleep in daddy's room." A long silence was broken at last by his shaking little voice, "The big sissy".

Do you happen to know if Deliah's maiden name was Arnold?????? I found a marriage for Deliah Arnold and J. M. Ramey.......... E mail me if you need more information............I am headed out of town until Tues........but I will get back with you. Arcell Sawyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda Hatherley <lhhatherley@hotmail.com> To: <RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 9:58 AM Subject: [RAMEY-L] Eliza Ramey > > Hi List, > > I am searching for information on my 2nd great grandmother Eliza Ramey b. > April 13, 1838 d. June 12, 1914 and is Buried in Bud Deels Cemetery in > Buchanan Co., Virginia. Eliza married Jacob Deel on March 30, 1854. > > As for her parents the only information I have is that her mother was > Delia/Delilah Ramey from Kentucky (I think maybe Morgan County). There was > no father listed for Eliza (perhaps she was born out of wedlock!) > Delia/Delilah left Kentucky and moved to Virginia with her sister (can't > remember her sister's name right now). I do not know if the move occurred > before or after Eliza was born!! > > There is a story that says Eliza was kidnapped by Indians and returned home > later with a child?? Does anyone have any information on Eliza Ramey. I > have not been able to find anything about her. Thanks > > Linda > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE to this list send a new e-mail to RAMEY-L-request@rootsweb.com or Ramey-D-request@rootsweb.com and in the body type UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else. >

Do not all RAMEYs have a face? My sister says yes !!!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Lewis Jenkins wrote: > Marsil, Just got back from Las Cruces, Wish I would have had more time > to spend with you. Really enjoyed the company and I know you really > enjued my FACE. It is just a wonderful fac and now everyone knows. You > can't DeNial that Queenie. > > Lew > > Marsil Creech wrote: > > > > Lew Jenkins, a Ramey researcher, who has posted on this list before, has a face !!! > > > > He was here in Roswell, NM. Oh what a face- > > > > Cleo, Queen of DeNial > > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > > >

Marsil, Just got back from Las Cruces, Wish I would have had more time to spend with you. Really enjoyed the company and I know you really enjued my FACE. It is just a wonderful fac and now everyone knows. You can't DeNial that Queenie. Lew Marsil Creech wrote: > > Lew Jenkins, a Ramey researcher, who has posted on this list before, has a face !!! > > He was here in Roswell, NM. Oh what a face- > > Cleo, Queen of DeNial > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ====

Well Lewsifer, You didn't want me telling the truth, now did you? Cleo ----- Original Message ----- From: Lewis Jenkins <lewt@stratos.net> To: Marsil Creech <marcreech@Prodigy.Net> Cc: <RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] Face behind a name > Marsil, Just got back from Las Cruces, Wish I would have had more time > to spend with you. Really enjoyed the company and I know you really > enjued my FACE. It is just a wonderful fac and now everyone knows. You > can't DeNial that Queenie. > > Lew > > Marsil Creech wrote: > > > > Lew Jenkins, a Ramey researcher, who has posted on this list before, has a face !!! > > > > He was here in Roswell, NM. Oh what a face- > > > > Cleo, Queen of DeNial > > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ====

This is NOT a hoax. I received my "Virus Update" this today. This is it's description: ANTI-VIRUS UPDATE ALERT ----------------------------------- VIRUS: "Stages.worm" British and U.S. firms were infected with a computer virus this weekend that arrives via e-mail and convincingly masquerades as an innocent plain text file. The bug, called "Stages.worm," does not damage computer files but can shut down corporate e-mail servers. I don't know if you have to be subscribed to reach this site or not, but here is my site for this virus update: "Stages.worm" Virus Files/Patches/Updates can be found here: http://updates.zdnet.com/virusalerts/avalert.htm Even though you may not be on a corporate server, I'm sure many of us send e-mail to places of employment. We could innocently send the virus to someone we know. I think it is something to check into. Glenna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsil Creech" <MARCREECH@prodigy.net> To: <RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 8:36 AM Subject: [RAMEY-L] Virus- : I don't think this one is a hoax. If any of you wish, I can send the attachment to determine which virus/scan etc you have. MC : : Again, I had this on my computer today. : : Mary N. Creech : Radian/URS : Scientist : (505) 878-1023 : ----- Forwarded by Mary Creech/Albuquerque/URSCorp on 06/20/2000 11:02 AM : ----- : : : Aus-Computer To: : Support cc: (bcc: Mary : Creech/Albuquerque/URSCorp) : Sent by: Subject: Latest Virus : Patsy Smith : : : 06/20/2000 : 07:58 AM : : : : : : : If you receive e-mails with any of the following subject headings, do not : open but rather delete: : : "Funny" : "FW:Jokes Text" : "Life Stages" : "FW:","" : "Life Stages" : "text"","" : : This virus is called IRC/Stages.worm and is spread via Exchange and IRC. : If you have McAfee version 4.03, virus definition 4082, and scan engine : 4070 you are protected from the infection. To determine what version of : McAfee you are running, please read the following attachment. : : : : Thank you. (See attached file: How to Determine What Virus : Definition and Scan Engine I Have on My Computer.doc) : : : Mary Scheffler : Virus Coordinator : URS Radian : : : : : (See attached file: How to Determine What Virus Definition and Scan Engine : I Have on My Computer.doc) : : : ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== : : :

I don't think this one is a hoax. If any of you wish, I can send the attachment to determine which virus/scan etc you have. MC Again, I had this on my computer today. Mary N. Creech Radian/URS Scientist (505) 878-1023 ----- Forwarded by Mary Creech/Albuquerque/URSCorp on 06/20/2000 11:02 AM ----- Aus-Computer To: Support cc: (bcc: Mary Creech/Albuquerque/URSCorp) Sent by: Subject: Latest Virus Patsy Smith 06/20/2000 07:58 AM If you receive e-mails with any of the following subject headings, do not open but rather delete: "Funny" "FW:Jokes Text" "Life Stages" "FW:","" "Life Stages" "text"","" This virus is called IRC/Stages.worm and is spread via Exchange and IRC. If you have McAfee version 4.03, virus definition 4082, and scan engine 4070 you are protected from the infection. To determine what version of McAfee you are running, please read the following attachment. Thank you. (See attached file: How to Determine What Virus Definition and Scan Engine I Have on My Computer.doc) Mary Scheffler Virus Coordinator URS Radian (See attached file: How to Determine What Virus Definition and Scan Engine I Have on My Computer.doc)

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F59B82F962164D4514FA0BA3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've enjoyed the messages about the history of the Ramey name. To add to the discussion of sources and origins, we should clarify that Dr. Rhamey credits this information to "Jean Geoffrey Petrick, genealogist of the Institute Heraldique et Genealogique of Paris" on p. 12 of his book. The question would be whether any of Petrick's research remains intact or available. Someone on the list was in touch with Dr. Rhamey's grandson to get permission to reproduce the book. Perhaps the same route could be taken to learn whether any of the original research survived. Jennie --------------F59B82F962164D4514FA0BA3 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <RAMEY-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from mx03.mrf.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.4.52]) by mta01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000616162624.PBPE3878.mta01.mrf.mail.rcn.net@mx03.mrf.mail.rcn.net>; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:26:24 -0400 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([63.92.80.123]) by mx03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132ywq-0000F5-00; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:26:24 -0400 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e5GGPoF11327; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:25:50 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:25:50 -0700 X-Original-Sender: motherd@theriver.com Fri Jun 16 09:25:50 2000 Reply-To: <motherd@theriver.com> From: "Jean Dalrymple" <motherd@theriver.com> Old-To: "~*RAMEY" <RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:14:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bfd7ad$fe064100$c37b1ace@theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: [RAMEY-L] I really want to know Resent-Message-ID: <wJG3CD.A.fwC.OUlS5@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2705 X-Loop: RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: RAMEY-L-request@rootsweb.com Resent-Bcc: X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/7/0,5716,109527+6,00.html Just HOW did the name of Rheims-Ramey-Remy etc etc etc.... OR Didier Remy come out of Desiderius and this history.... NO where can I find the name of Ramy regardless of how you spell it............. NOW...... the next biggie is has ANYONE proven the parentage of Jacque/Jacob born 1630 and our basic everyday grandpa in this family? OR are we just taking the old Dr's word for it..... I have sure been finding that the good Dr was sort of off base once he left this country.... Perhaps just wishful thinking.....

I am looking for the Asa Ramey who had a daughter named Melissa, as she was ggrandmother to my children, Thanks JoAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: <RRRamey@aol.com> To: <RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 8:32 AM Subject: [RAMEY-L] Jacob Remy's Ancestors > With regards to the comments on Jacob Remy's ancestors that recently appeared > on the list. > > In a 1961 article in the Virginia Gazette, Charles Hamlin, a professional > genealogist, said It has been established by an eminent genealogist in France > that Jacques (Jacob) Ramey married .......He then goes on to give the lineage > of Jacob Remy that is found in B. W. Rhamy's 1942 book Remy Family In America. > B. W. Rhamy offers no proof on the veracity of the lineage, and Hamlin's > unnamed eminent genealogist is also insufficient. I do not accept Jacob > Remy's French lineage as commonly published as I have never seen satisfactory > proof of its veracity. > > Remy Family In America contains hundreds of errors. The most common is the > assignment of a child to the wrong parents. I have also seen birthdates off > by as much as 30 years, and the same marriage record assigned to two > different couples. > The book can only be used as a research guide. I personally have two Ramey > lines, and both of them are butchered in the book. Several generations of my > Montgomery County, KY, Ramey lineage are not even in the book. Seldom does > the book cite a reference to support a conclusion. Although the book > contains a lot of information, it has done a great disservice to the amateur > genealogist, i.e., one who does not recognize the necessity of using primary > documents to prove their facts. Furthermore, the erroneous information in > the book is being widely disseminated via the web. Although getting the > facts to support a lineage can be time consuming and difficult, it is > rewarded by the satisfaction of knowing the lineage is correct. > > Rick Ramey > Forest, Virginia > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > >

Lew Jenkins, a Ramey researcher, who has posted on this list before, has a face !!! He was here in Roswell, NM. Oh what a face- Cleo, Queen of DeNial

As usual, Rick--well said! Cyndi in Baltimore still looking for documentation on my Sanford and daughter Jemima

Would you happen to have any information on thwe Asa Ramey who settled in KS, Ottawa County. Please email me and let me know. jromine@kscable.com JoAnn ----- Original Message ----- From: <RRRamey@aol.com> To: <RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 8:32 AM Subject: [RAMEY-L] Jacob Remy's Ancestors > With regards to the comments on Jacob Remy's ancestors that recently appeared > on the list. > > In a 1961 article in the Virginia Gazette, Charles Hamlin, a professional > genealogist, said It has been established by an eminent genealogist in France > that Jacques (Jacob) Ramey married .......He then goes on to give the lineage > of Jacob Remy that is found in B. W. Rhamy's 1942 book Remy Family In America. > B. W. Rhamy offers no proof on the veracity of the lineage, and Hamlin's > unnamed eminent genealogist is also insufficient. I do not accept Jacob > Remy's French lineage as commonly published as I have never seen satisfactory > proof of its veracity. > > Remy Family In America contains hundreds of errors. The most common is the > assignment of a child to the wrong parents. I have also seen birthdates off > by as much as 30 years, and the same marriage record assigned to two > different couples. > The book can only be used as a research guide. I personally have two Ramey > lines, and both of them are butchered in the book. Several generations of my > Montgomery County, KY, Ramey lineage are not even in the book. Seldom does > the book cite a reference to support a conclusion. Although the book > contains a lot of information, it has done a great disservice to the amateur > genealogist, i.e., one who does not recognize the necessity of using primary > documents to prove their facts. Furthermore, the erroneous information in > the book is being widely disseminated via the web. Although getting the > facts to support a lineage can be time consuming and difficult, it is > rewarded by the satisfaction of knowing the lineage is correct. > > Rick Ramey > Forest, Virginia > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <RRRamey@aol.com> To: <RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 8:32 AM Subject: [RAMEY-L] Jacob Remy's Ancestors > With regards to the comments on Jacob Remy's ancestors that recently appeared > on the list. > > In a 1961 article in the Virginia Gazette, Charles Hamlin, a professional > genealogist, said It has been established by an eminent genealogist in France > that Jacques (Jacob) Ramey married .......He then goes on to give the lineage > of Jacob Remy that is found in B. W. Rhamy's 1942 book Remy Family In America. > B. W. Rhamy offers no proof on the veracity of the lineage, and Hamlin's > unnamed eminent genealogist is also insufficient. I do not accept Jacob > Remy's French lineage as commonly published as I have never seen satisfactory > proof of its veracity. > > Remy Family In America contains hundreds of errors. The most common is the > assignment of a child to the wrong parents. I have also seen birthdates off > by as much as 30 years, and the same marriage record assigned to two > different couples. > The book can only be used as a research guide. I personally have two Ramey > lines, and both of them are butchered in the book. Several generations of my > Montgomery County, KY, Ramey lineage are not even in the book. Seldom does > the book cite a reference to support a conclusion. Although the book > contains a lot of information, it has done a great disservice to the amateur > genealogist, i.e., one who does not recognize the necessity of using primary > documents to prove their facts. Furthermore, the erroneous information in > the book is being widely disseminated via the web. Although getting the > facts to support a lineage can be time consuming and difficult, it is > rewarded by the satisfaction of knowing the lineage is correct. > > Rick Ramey > Forest, Virginia > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > >

With regards to the comments on Jacob Remy's ancestors that recently appeared on the list. In a 1961 article in the Virginia Gazette, Charles Hamlin, a professional genealogist, said It has been established by an eminent genealogist in France that Jacques (Jacob) Ramey married .......He then goes on to give the lineage of Jacob Remy that is found in B. W. Rhamy's 1942 book Remy Family In America. B. W. Rhamy offers no proof on the veracity of the lineage, and Hamlin's unnamed eminent genealogist is also insufficient. I do not accept Jacob Remy's French lineage as commonly published as I have never seen satisfactory proof of its veracity. Remy Family In America contains hundreds of errors. The most common is the assignment of a child to the wrong parents. I have also seen birthdates off by as much as 30 years, and the same marriage record assigned to two different couples. The book can only be used as a research guide. I personally have two Ramey lines, and both of them are butchered in the book. Several generations of my Montgomery County, KY, Ramey lineage are not even in the book. Seldom does the book cite a reference to support a conclusion. Although the book contains a lot of information, it has done a great disservice to the amateur genealogist, i.e., one who does not recognize the necessity of using primary documents to prove their facts. Furthermore, the erroneous information in the book is being widely disseminated via the web. Although getting the facts to support a lineage can be time consuming and difficult, it is rewarded by the satisfaction of knowing the lineage is correct. Rick Ramey Forest, Virginia

Thank you Rick...... You are the pro on this line and it is good to hear from you... thought that there for a while that we wouldn't .. :) I can prove my line to Jacob the immigrant but not beyond..... once we cross the pond it is a different story...... and I have never been able to find anything.... They eat up the postage coupons that we send and that is about it.... Hope that all is well with you..... we haven't heard for quite a while. Jeannie <>< -----Original Message----- From: RRRamey@aol.com [mailto:RRRamey@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 6:33 AM To: RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAMEY-L] Jacob Remy's Ancestors With regards to the comments on Jacob Remy's ancestors that recently appeared on the list. In a 1961 article in the Virginia Gazette, Charles Hamlin, a professional genealogist, said It has been established by an eminent genealogist in France that Jacques (Jacob) Ramey married .......He then goes on to give the lineage of Jacob Remy that is found in B. W. Rhamy's 1942 book Remy Family In America. B. W. Rhamy offers no proof on the veracity of the lineage, and Hamlin's unnamed eminent genealogist is also insufficient. I do not accept Jacob Remy's French lineage as commonly published as I have never seen satisfactory proof of its veracity. Remy Family In America contains hundreds of errors. The most common is the assignment of a child to the wrong parents. I have also seen birthdates off by as much as 30 years, and the same marriage record assigned to two different couples. The book can only be used as a research guide. I personally have two Ramey lines, and both of them are butchered in the book. Several generations of my Montgomery County, KY, Ramey lineage are not even in the book. Seldom does the book cite a reference to support a conclusion. Although the book contains a lot of information, it has done a great disservice to the amateur genealogist, i.e., one who does not recognize the necessity of using primary documents to prove their facts. Furthermore, the erroneous information in the book is being widely disseminated via the web. Although getting the facts to support a lineage can be time consuming and difficult, it is rewarded by the satisfaction of knowing the lineage is correct. Rick Ramey Forest, Virginia ==== RAMEY Mailing List ====

There is a lot of correct stuff in there but also a lot of not so good stuff..... A lot of the stuff that he has n the book is information that people gave him of their families.... Sort of like the for-runner of the LDS Ancestors research.... Where every one sends in their work...... only this was done in the 40's when things were no so handy..... I complain but the gent did do us a great service...... jd. <>< -----Original Message----- From: tee4@earthlink.net [mailto:tee4@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2000 2:16 PM To: motherd@theriver.com Subject: Re: FW: [RAMEY-L] I really want to know Hi, I don't mean to be disrespectful to the memory of the good doctor, but he was off base on alot of things that he put in the BOOK. I personally have found nothing concerning my family that has been correct. Jean Dalrymple wrote: > Jeannie, > > Don't rock the boat. I'm too fragile. I have already nailed down these > Ramey ancestors and have gone on to others. I would hate to think I would > have to start all over again. > If the Remys were of noble birth, not necessarily of royal birth, they may > not have been of enough renown to become part of French history, but being > landowners and having special favors bestowed upon them and the like, > records were probably kept. Perhapes our Doctor Rhamey had access to old > records. Genealogy going back this far, hundreds of years, is a shot in the > dark anyway. During the Dark Ages, when many of these Remys lived, things > disappeared. A lot was lost. Who knows what was happening then. > Scientists tell us that there were massive fires across the land. > Stop and think. If our electrical power system in this country was > eliminated completely. Most all of our records concerning everything we are > doing or have done would be lost. Everything is kept on computer hard > drives. What we are today seems to depend on being able to push a botton > that is connected to a power supply somewhere. > Anyway, Maybe Dr. Rhamey had actual records of long ago Remys to draw from, > or maybe he made it all up or thought he was right when actually he was > wrong. I would be interested in what Rick Ramey on this list has to say > about all of this. Rick has been doing serious Ramey research for years. I > know that he does not rely on The Book for his information. What does Rick > think of the ancestors of Jacob Remy? > Lois Arthur > ------------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------------ > : Just HOW did the name of Rheims-Ramey-Remy etc etc etc.... OR Didier > Remy > : come out of Desiderius and this history.... NO where can I find the > name > : of Ramy regardless of how you spell it............. > : > : NOW...... the next biggie is has ANYONE proven the parentage of > : Jacque/Jacob born 1630 and our basic everyday grandpa in this family? > : > : OR are we just taking the old Dr's word for it..... I have sure been > : finding that the good Dr was sort of off base once he left this > country.... > : Perhaps just wishful thinking..... Am I wrong........ > : > : Jeannie <>< > : > : > : ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > : > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ====

My grandmother is listed in the Nicholas County, KY marriage bond file as "Laura Toomey, daughter of Jeremiah Toomey married to William Sherman Ramey, son of Jack and Mollie Buckler Ramey". Her name was most definitely NOT Laura. It was Arabelle. A mistake was made on the part of the recording clerk but if I had not known that for a fact I would have been completely thrown off by the "Laura". Another instance - my maternal great grandmother is listed in obitiuaries and on death records as Pollyanna Caughey Herrington (in one document it's listed as Pollyanna COY). Her marriage bond lists her as Mary Anne Caughey. I have no doubt that these two Georges are one and the same. Good luck and keep digging! Sandra Ramey Griffett > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Ramey [SMTP:tramey@txucom.net] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 7:12 PM > To: RAMEY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RAMEY-L] More George William Ramey > > I have an old family bible which identifies my great great grandfather as > George William Ramey of which I posted about last week and several of you > posted replies, for which I am most appreciative. As I indicated, he is > on the Chickasaw County, Mississippi census in 1850 as George with a wife > Jane, and a son John. This listing agrees with other info that I have > including listings in 1870, 80, 90 for George. In digging I found a sale > today in December 1847 of Indian land in Pontotoc to George Washington > Ramey of Chickasaw County, Mississippi. Is the bible wrong with the > William or ???? Any thoughts would be appreciated. For further reference, > George W?? is the father of Joseph Robert, John Milton, William Virgil and > George Columbus and brother to William Francis and William Neale Jr. > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > >