Jeannie, I know that the LDS has the book. My brother got parts of it copied in about 1991 or so for 25 cents per page. ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons.

Ah Jeannie, THOT-good one. I have sent this to Lois privately. If anyone else thinks they didn't get it, let me know.Will be happy to send again or whatever. Ask Lois about her mummy wraps- ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons.

Great idea, Leslie. Lets go for it. Where do you live? ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons.

If this is feasible....copywright and all...I can scan the book, no typing involved... although I do not have a copy of the book...I could borrow it from someone and return when I was done....just a thought Leslie

If this is feasible....copywright and all...I can scan the book, no typing involved... although I do not have a copy of the book...I could borrow it from someone and return when I was done....just a thought Leslie

The LDS Church always gets permission to film records and make copies to send to its branch libraries. Example would be that the records for the State of South Carolina are resticted from being sent to branch libraries because they would only allow the church to make copies to be used in the main library. The State wants branch libraries to purchase copies from the Historical Societies that hold the copyrights on those records. The LDS Church *always* gets permission to copy. Anne

Tic-tic-tic ... I also, was in the publishing business with a sur name quarterly.... The Smallwood Branches.... The whole idea of gen is getting the information out to the public so that others can benefit, I could care less how many folks copied one of my quarterlies...as we are no longer publishing them..... and, it seems to me, that if the family of ol' Bonnelle wanted to they could re- publish the silly book, and get 45 or 50 bucks a copy ......But, being as they don't seem to be interested then why can't we as a group copy it... so long as we aren't selling it..... Now you were all willing to get your feet wet and PRUCHASE a CD or a copy of the book from Mr. White..... this would be free... and no one person would be making a copy of more then 1/3 of the book......and I understand that the book is on film at the LDS library (which I will check on today to make sure). Now I really don't relish the idea of sitting here and making copies of that silly thing... that is a LOT of typing and I do enough of that with my unwelcome obits......and Uncle Arthur is a constant companion of mine... but I will.... Mart..mart... :) -----Original Message----- From: MRS MARSIL R CREECH [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, September 04, 1998 11:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [RAMEY-L] Remy Family in America My copy says "Compiled by Bonnelle William Rhamy, MD> Fort Wayne, Indiana 1942. Absolutely nothing about copyright. But then again it doesn't have to say it to be copyrighted. That is my understanding anyway. I am editor and publisher of Creech Country and it is not copyrighted my any legal means. The fact that it is written by me and published makes it copyrighted or so I have been told. Of course, they could be wrong too. So the safe thing to do is ask someone who knows about this stuff. Then again, J.D. is right. If the Mormon Church can make copies for anyone that wants one-you would believe we are safe also. This would be a great project for us with "time" on our hands. Might keep some of us from our Egyptian roots. ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons.

Marsil, you must have been eating some of those HOT ones, and just THOT that you posted......... :) :) -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, September 05, 1998 6:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] Harlan Co Ky cemetery? Marsil, I didn't see the cemetery list. It must not have come through. I would like to see it. On copywrite, items become Public Domain after either 52 or 56 years. I use to be a published writer and this was my understanding. I wrote about ancient Egypt and nobody wanted it anyway. Just had to put that in . Anything published in newspapers are Public Domain. The best thing is to contact the publishing company and see what they say. If they say it is alright, get it in writing. Lois Arthur in Indiana [email protected] ----------ORIGINIA; MESSAGE---------: : A couple of weeks ago, I posted the Ramey Cemetery on the list. I do : not remember it coming thru. Did anyone see it come thru on the list? : : : ____ : : Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. :

Marsil, I didn't see the cemetery list. It must not have come through. I would like to see it. On copywrite, items become Public Domain after either 52 or 56 years. I use to be a published writer and this was my understanding. I wrote about ancient Egypt and nobody wanted it anyway. Just had to put that in . Anything published in newspapers are Public Domain. The best thing is to contact the publishing company and see what they say. If they say it is alright, get it in writing. Lois Arthur in Indiana [email protected] ----------ORIGINIA; MESSAGE---------: : A couple of weeks ago, I posted the Ramey Cemetery on the list. I do : not remember it coming thru. Did anyone see it come thru on the list? : : : ____ : : Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. :

My copy says "Compiled by Bonnelle William Rhamy, MD> Fort Wayne, Indiana 1942. Absolutely nothing about copyright. But then again it doesn't have to say it to be copyrighted. That is my understanding anyway. I am editor and publisher of Creech Country and it is not copyrighted my any legal means. The fact that it is written by me and published makes it copyrighted or so I have been told. Of course, they could be wrong too. So the safe thing to do is ask someone who knows about this stuff. Then again, J.D. is right. If the Mormon Church can make copies for anyone that wants one-you would believe we are safe also. This would be a great project for us with "time" on our hands. Might keep some of us from our Egyptian roots. ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons.

A couple of weeks ago, I posted the Ramey Cemetery on the list. I do not remember it coming thru. Did anyone see it come thru on the list? ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons.

I will be willing to type pages also. ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons.

Marsil, Thanks for the information on Jacob Ramey. I had his birth date as 1640 instead of 1630. It must have been a typo from the person who sent it to me. 1630 makes a lot more sense. Thanks again. Lois arthur in Indiana [email protected] ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-----------: : Lois, : If not one else has mentioned this-I show a date of birth on old : Jacob of ca 1630 so he would have been 24. And naturally, Miles as : a surname for Mary is unproven. I am of the Marmaduke persuasion : myself. : : ____ : : Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. :

Lois, If not one else has mentioned this-I show a date of birth on old Jacob of ca 1630 so he would have been 24. And naturally, Miles as a surname for Mary is unproven. I am of the Marmaduke persuasion myself. ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons.

I found some info of the grandchildren of Bonnelle Rhamey still living in the Fort Wayne IN area. I have a letter ready to send requesting any information they have on the book and any copyright info they may be aware of. I am assuming his daughter may be deceased and according to other info the son died in the 1930's so these 2 grandsons may be the best source for information. Ernie Castle [email protected]

Subject: [GenConnect-L] Obits / copyright etc. Hi all, I'm on digest mode and so a bit late on this discussion....however I wanted to add some comments to this: >>I have permission to post all the obits from our local paper but was >>told to take 'em down because they listed surviving relatives. So now I >>abstract them and leave out that part. Lessens their value but that is >>the rule of Texas GenWeb. Why?? This doesn't seem logical. It was the "living relatives" who made their names public in the first place.....by providing the obit information (either directly or thru the funeral home) TO a public newspaper! (and depending upon which paper, the obit would be online and searchable anyway on that newpaper's website!) As for copyright...... (good reference site is http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/) Copyright has at its heart and soul two very simple issues: plagiarism and money. It's civil legal action (not criminal) in which the owner of the writing believes (s)he has suffered "damages"...and seeks to stop the offender and generally to recover claimed financial losses. If you use common sense, are forthright and honest, then you're gonna be okay. Common sense tells you that if you reprint the entire newspaper on line.....or if you post one of Stephen King's novels as your own <g>.....you're in trouble. ;-) But if you are reprinting (or requoting <g>) a portion of a larger work, and if you make reasonable effort to accurately attribute the source.......and if you're not *selling* this.....then you should be pretty all right. Remember the rules of direct attribution and footnoting from school days? When you're talking about copyright, you have to remember the "fair use doctrine"......now a part of the Copyright Act...that takes into account these four factors in determining copyright violation: [see more about this on http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/fair_use.html#fair_use ] >1.the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of >commercial nature > or is for nonprofit educational purposes; > 2.the nature of the copyrighted work; > 3.the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the >copyrighted work as a > whole; and > 4.the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the >copyrighted work. You don't get much more non-commercial than GenWeb ;-)....whose main purpose is education and research. The lion's share of information you are quoting is of a factual nature from non-fiction sources.....(we aren't really dealing much with novels here, folks ;-) ) So item #4 is the only thing you really have to ponder....and in most cases, that's not going to be an issue when it comes to your site. More often than not, you might wind up *increasing* the attractiveness of the publication....and your attribution might even be an advertisement, esp. if you are providing information on where the source might be purchased. Just my 20¢ worth ;-) Sandy Hi all, this just happened to pop up today on one of my lists....so thought that I would pass it on. Shourld ans a qquestion or two here..... and my librarian said that so long as we don't copy more then 1/3 of a book we are safe... so if there are 4 or 5 of us copying then we will not be copying the 1/3 that is allowed....... And I really doubt that any one would run copies of this thing as it is a HUGE book..... tho they may down load .... So I don't know.... Jeannie <>< Vance Co NCGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncvance/ > ==== GenConnect Mailing List ==== Admin Center http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/AdminCenter

Ok...according to his own words... he was born Findlay, O. Feb.11, 1874, m. 1st Sep 14, 1904, Mary Alice Orvis...m. 2nd Oct 19 1939 to Elma Louise Miller.... Seems that he had a rather small family of 2 children by his 1st wife... this family has no #'s but there are a lot of pictures... but it does show a picture of his daughter with 3 children So I really don't think that he is still around.....at least not on all 4's so to speak... Jeannie <>< -----Original Message----- From: Louis Reed [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 6:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] Remy Family in America Maybe we ought to start researching Bonnelle Rhamey and see when he died (assuming he is), try to get an obituary, and then try to track down any children that might be living? Do we have any members in the Indianapolis area that might be able to search for him there (assuming that was where he was from). Louis R. H. Jean Dalrymple wrote: > > The Remy Family of America > 1650---1942 > compiled by Bonnelle William Rhamey, M.D. > > When I ordered it to replace a few pages that were missing from my copy, it > came from the William and Mary college in VA.... And I was not allowed to > remove it from the library....... It was not in good shape......... Jeannie > <>< > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis Reed [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 3:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] Remy Family in America > > I never thought about ordering it through interlibrary loan. What is > the full name of the book and name of the author? > > Louis R. > > H. Jean Dalrymple wrote: > > > > All my copy says is Fort Wayne Indiana 1942....... I see nothing that says > > ANYTHING about a copyright.....but my book is a copy not one that was off > > the printing press...but I am sure that I have all of the pages.... One > can > > get it on interlibrary loan and check it out... who else has a book out > > there... do you Marsil? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: J.D. Martin [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 1:46 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] Remy Family in America > > > > >Say, what ever happened to the idea of every one > > >with a book typing up a few pages a week or what > > >ever until we had the thing out on the net.....I > > >thought that was a good idea.... Or did copyright > > >laws intervene ......... I doubt that there are any > > >now...... it has been a day or two since this book > > >was published....... > > > > I only had about four people say that they would > > type up a few pages, but I got oodles of messages > > warning me about copyrights, etc. > > The book would still be covered under the copyright > > renewal act, according to my interpretation of the > > legaleze on the gov't pages. Not a soul responded > > to my inquiry into who published the book, or the > > descendents of the good Dr. I still would like > > to see us make this project fly, and I will still > > write the HTML and provide disk space, but I just > > do not have the time to do it all. I'm sure we would > > all appreciate it if someone could verify the copyright > > status of the book, so that we might proceed with the > > project. > > Thanks, > > J.D. Martin

Is anyone on the list familiar with the book "The Remey Family in the United States, 1654-1957," compiled by Charles Mason Remey, self published, Washington D.C., 1957. He credits a large portion of the work as amassed by Bonnelle William Rhamy, Doctor of Medicine, of Fort Wayne, Indiana, who gave the information to Charles Remey to compile. Surely something could be found out about a medical doctor from Fort Wayne, IN. Any takers? Louis R.

Hi Cyndi, Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner - I am a teacher and it is back to school week up here. I will send you the RAMY info I have this weekend. Thanks for offering to check it out for me. Bonnie [email protected] wrote: > > Bonnie, > Did I ever reply on your Eliza? I've been off-line awhile and now can't > remember anything! Did you try [email protected] for info? He sure has a lot on > my line. Can't remember what you sent on Eliza--dates? places? husband? Sorry. > You may want to re-post to list as well if you haven't rec'd any answers... > > Cyndi > Baltimore

Maybe we ought to start researching Bonnelle Rhamey and see when he died (assuming he is), try to get an obituary, and then try to track down any children that might be living? Do we have any members in the Indianapolis area that might be able to search for him there (assuming that was where he was from). Louis R. H. Jean Dalrymple wrote: > > The Remy Family of America > 1650---1942 > compiled by Bonnelle William Rhamey, M.D. > > When I ordered it to replace a few pages that were missing from my copy, it > came from the William and Mary college in VA.... And I was not allowed to > remove it from the library....... It was not in good shape......... Jeannie > <>< > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis Reed [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 3:33 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] Remy Family in America > > I never thought about ordering it through interlibrary loan. What is > the full name of the book and name of the author? > > Louis R. > > H. Jean Dalrymple wrote: > > > > All my copy says is Fort Wayne Indiana 1942....... I see nothing that says > > ANYTHING about a copyright.....but my book is a copy not one that was off > > the printing press...but I am sure that I have all of the pages.... One > can > > get it on interlibrary loan and check it out... who else has a book out > > there... do you Marsil? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: J.D. Martin [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Thursday, September 03, 1998 1:46 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] Remy Family in America > > > > >Say, what ever happened to the idea of every one > > >with a book typing up a few pages a week or what > > >ever until we had the thing out on the net.....I > > >thought that was a good idea.... Or did copyright > > >laws intervene ......... I doubt that there are any > > >now...... it has been a day or two since this book > > >was published....... > > > > I only had about four people say that they would > > type up a few pages, but I got oodles of messages > > warning me about copyrights, etc. > > The book would still be covered under the copyright > > renewal act, according to my interpretation of the > > legaleze on the gov't pages. Not a soul responded > > to my inquiry into who published the book, or the > > descendents of the good Dr. I still would like > > to see us make this project fly, and I will still > > write the HTML and provide disk space, but I just > > do not have the time to do it all. I'm sure we would > > all appreciate it if someone could verify the copyright > > status of the book, so that we might proceed with the > > project. > > Thanks, > > J.D. Martin