Hi all, How certain is the info contained in this book? I've never seen it. I'm descended from Jacob, too according to Rick Ramey's research--he got further on our line than my dad had (ours is from Sanford, Sr. and Jemima) so I don't know a lot of stuff! I just found out yesterday I may be related to Charlemagne (and half the royal lines of Europe according to this source!) so the story about Desiderata is particularly interesting! Tell me more! Cyndi P.S. If the humor-impaired people are not from Jacob, maybe we should start a Jacob Remy list...

Just a historical correction... Charlemagne was not Emporer of Rome, but he was rather the First Emporer of the Holy Roman Empire, the Roman Empire having colapsed several hundred years earlier. Jim Miller -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:02 AM Subject: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards >Marsil, Cyndi, Sharon, Jeannie and All, >Here is serious research. I have been looking at this Remy Book I got from >Wilma and it mentions Didier, who lived around 1435 and was a descendent of >King Didier Rheims of the Lombards in 750. Many of us have the ancestor, >Didlier Remy 1485-1556, the ancestor of Jacob Remy, the immigrant. Many of >us on the list come from this line. I did some research: King Didier was >called Desidarius and had a daughter, not a sister as the book states, >whose name was Desiderata. She was married to King Charlamagne, who later >became Emperor of Rome. He didn't like her and eventually sent her back to >daddy. This started the Lombard War that lasted eight years, ending with >the defeat of Desidarius at Pavia, and he was sent into exile at a >monastary at Liege. > I wonder why Dr. Ramey, who compiled this book, thought this king was a >Rheims/Remy. I can't find a surname for him. In those times, most people >didn't have surnames. Can anyone help me out on this one? Was King >Desidarius a Remy, and if he was, was he of this Didlier to Jacob line? >Marsil may have to give back that crown after all. > >Lois Arthur in Indiana >[email protected] >

Thanks! How 'bout that rather unpleasant last comment about being "considerate"? Boils my blood... Don't want to get into ickiness on-line...but really! These people can't tell me there's not plenty of real crap they have to wade thru (porn and spam ads) every day; I welcome the humor! I work hard at the genealogy, but I like to lighten up now and then...Have you guys tried the Words-L list? It's pretty fun if you like that sort of thing (words, I mean). I know there are some "serious" wordsmiths/punsters and the like on the Ramey- L list! I say poop! on those fuddy-duddies (both recent words discussed on Words-l)!!! Cousin Cyndi

At 10:54 PM 10/18/1998 -0500, you wrote: >This list would come back to life if all you serious researchers would let >us non serious researchers back on. We e-mail each other via personal >message now and your list has died. > >Lois Arthur in Indiana >[email protected] > >Amen, Lois - Bring back the fun and games !!>

I ask this question on the midieval list once... but unfortionaly i was using the spelling of "the Dr. Rhamey"..... should re sub and ask again since I finally looked it up one day.... :) .. there was no son listed as a descendant..... besides I was quite subdued on that list.. it is one that will leave you feeling rather stupid..... there is one man on it hat even corrects peoples spelling... and not nicly.... he must be an asp... -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 10:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards Jeannie, I have been wondering the same thing, who was Marchioness de Busancy? She was the great grandmother of the wife of our ancestor, George Remy. Does that mean that his wife is the mother of his descendents? This would make Marchioness de Busancy an ancestor as well. She must have been of royal blood since she was referred to as Her Highness. George's wife inherited the Busancy estate, the Manor of Rosieres. These Rameys married into, and were descendents of, Medieval Royality. Of course, in those days, there was a King or Lord for every few square miles. However, Jeannie, I think your saint hood outweighs royality. But any way you look at it, all I'm getting out of this is a feather in an Outback Hat. Lois Arthur ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-------: : : Excelent question ......... : : And..... if Cleo has to give up her crown then I will have to give up my : Staint-hood..... :( : : ALSO as I have ask before.... has ANYONE done any research on Beatrix de : Rosieres... and who is this Marchioness de Busancy? OR...has the good Dr. : Rhamey again misspelled a name or two........ : : Any Takers? : : -----Original Message----- : From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] : Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:02 AM : To: [email protected] : Subject: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards : : : Marsil, Cyndi, Sharon, Jeannie and All, : Here is serious research. I have been looking at this Remy Book I got from : Wilma and it mentions Didier, who lived around 1435 and was a descendent of : King Didier Rheims of the Lombards in 750. Many of us have the ancestor, : Didlier Remy 1485-1556, the ancestor of Jacob Remy, the immigrant. Many of : us on the list come from this line. I did some research: King Didier was : called Desidarius and had a daughter, not a sister as the book states, : whose name was Desiderata. She was married to King Charlamagne, who later : became Emperor of Rome. He didn't like her and eventually sent her back to : daddy. This started the Lombard War that lasted eight years, ending with : the defeat of Desidarius at Pavia, and he was sent into exile at a : monastary at Liege. : I wonder why Dr. Ramey, who compiled this book, thought this king was a : Rheims/Remy. I can't find a surname for him. In those times, most people : didn't have surnames. Can anyone help me out on this one? Was King : Desidarius a Remy, and if he was, was he of this Didlier to Jacob line? : Marsil may have to give back that crown after all. : : Lois Arthur in Indiana : [email protected] : :

--------------------------------------------------------------- Ramey ancestry revision of 10/17/98 of Paul Maynard Ramey Jr ------------------------ A cousin Griffith Ramey says he thinks he now has our Ramey line back to France and Spain at the time of Columbus. He wants to do more checking before he releases all ofit. All he has sent to me so far is included in the following. My g-gf was George Washington Ramey. We don't know his father. His mother was Lucy Ramey. George has her surname because she was unmarried when George was born. Later Lucy married Isham Doss and had two children by him. George Washington Ramey, my g-gf and wife Lear Warf We have conflicting data about George's birth: 3 birth years and birth states. 1) From 186? to 1885 George and Lear lived in Ripley,Jackson county,VA. 1870 and 1880 census records there say George was born in 1826 in VA. 2) From 1886 to death George and Lear lived in Colorado. A state of CO soundex card says George was born in 1829 in VA. 3) George's death certificate from Brighton,CO says he was born in June of 1831 in GA. We think George was born in Carroll County,VA because we know that Lear was born there and their wedding application was found there dated 07/10/1852.� d 07/29/1902 Brighton,Adams County,CO (George) buried in a Ramey family plot in Fairmont Cemetary,Denver,CO wife Lear Warf b 10/4/1830 Carroll County,VA d 02/05/1920 Brighton,Colorado buried Fairmont Cemetary,Denver,CO Lear's parents were John Warf and wife Patsy Harrell both born in VA. They were married in Carroll County,VA and they are found in the 1850 census there. John and Patsy had a number of other children too.� We think George was in Confederate Army. We don't know where he lived when he enlisted or what unit he was in. We don't know anyplace George and Lear lived before leaving VA or what year they left VA. Birth records of 3 of their children were found in Giles County,VA. These were: Virginia New River 11/29/1860 Sarah New River 11/15/1864 Thomas ? 09/29/1866 Evidently George and Lear moved to Ripley,WV sometime between the birth of Thomas and end of 1869 since they were in the 1870 Ripley census. � In 1885 they left Ripley,WV and went West with 11 children for the free land. A daughter Lucy stayed in Ripley. She married a Straley. About 1994 relatives went to Ripley,WV and met Gene Straley a grandson of George/Lear's daughter Lucy. George & family stayed in Kearney,NE one year and in spring of 1886 went to Iliff,Colorado area for a few years. In 1890 they moved to Brighton,Adams County,Colorado for life. Except for one son,my gf William Alexander Ramey, who stayed behind and finally settled in Sterling,Logan County,Colorado. Relatives tell me George and Lear had 14 children and they have documented this. They say one Daughter Lily Susan is listed by one name in one census and by another name in the next census. This must be the 1870 and 1880 Ripley,WV censuses. So in the census records it appears George/Lear had 15 children. Two of their children died young. And their last 4 children were two sets of twins. my grandparents William Alexander Ramey and wife Adella "Della" Winifred Holden William was the only family member who stayed behind in Logan County,CO when rest of the family went to Brighton in 1890. b 06/29/1869 Ripley,Jackson County,WV d 07/17/1943 Sterling,Logan County,Colorado wife Adella Winifred Holden b 03/14/1872 Schroon,Essex County,NY d 06/13/1953 Sterling,Logan County,Colorado m 06/08/1893 Will and Della had 5 children,all sons,including my father Dr. Paul Maynard Ramey. My father said Will was a very shrewd businessman; that he started out pennyless and at the time of his death his estate was estimated worth $ 250,000. That is in 1943 dollars. Della Holden was a direct descendent of an English man Richard Holden who came to New England and settled in Watertown,MA near Boston in 1634. I am a tenth generation American in this line. Most American Holdens are descended from Richard or his brother Justinian who came to New England with him. --------------------------------------- I am Paul Ramey Jr [email protected] b 1935 Temple,Tx Now in Gainesville,Fl also looking for info on ancestors of surnames Bartlett,Courtright,Newton,Wright -----------------------------------------------------------------

JOHN WESLEY RAMEY A merchant, financier and president of the Russell Times Company, John Wesley Ramey has achieved the full measure of success, and his activities have been of direct benefit to Russell, which for nearly twenty years has numbered him among its leading citizens. He was born January 15, 1873, in Floyd county, Kentucky, and his parents were Abraham C. and Angeline (Adkins) Ramey. His father was a native of Pike county, Kentucky, and on February 3, 1912, was called to his final rest. He was a minister of the Christian church and filled pastorates in Floyd, Pike and Johnson counties. He was imbued with firm faith in the doctrines he preached, and a life of much usefulness and far-reaching influence won for him the respect, honor and affection of all with whom he was associated. John W. Ramey was a pupil in the public schools of East Point, Kentucky, and afterward took a normal course at Prestonsburg, this state. He taught school for two years in Floyd county and for a similar period in Greenup county. In 1899 he turned his attention to commercial pursuits, opening a general store in Wurtland, Kentucky, and was its proprietor for two years. He sold the business in 1901 and for three years was a traveling salesman for the Union Grocery Company, a wholesale house of Greenup, covering Carter, Lewis, Mason and Greenup countles. In 1904 he located in Russell, becoming the owner of a small grocery store formerly conducted by W. H. Green. Mr. Ramey has wrought a marvelous transformation in the business, converting it into a fine department store, and handles dry goods, groceries and other merchandise. He is the owner of the building in which it is housed and in 1916 erected the structure, which constitutes one of the architectural ornaments of the town. He is one of the foremost merchants of northeastern Kentucky and his annual business transactions amount to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. He believes in judicious advertising and gives to his patrons good values for the amounts expended, never resorting to questionable methods in order to attract trade. Mr. Ramey's enterprising spirit has led him to venture into other fields, in which he has been equally successful. He was one of the founders of the First National Bank of Russell and is president of the institution, which upholds the financial stability of the community, carefully safeguarding the interests of depositors and stockholders. He aided in forming the Russell Building & Loan Association, which has enjoyed a steady growth, and acts as its treasurer. He also aided in establishing the Times, the first newspaper issued in Russell, and is president of the corporation. The paper embodies the best elements of modern journalism and under his wise management has grown continuously in power and usefulness. Mr. Ramey is a business man of exceptional capacity, unerring in his judgment, and his identification with an undertaking is a guarantee of its success, for the word "fail" has no place in his vocabulary. Mr. Ramey was married June 28, 1895, to Miss Myrtle M. Franz, a daughter of Edward and Ella (Worthington) Franz, of Wurtland, Kentucky. Mr. and Mrs. Ramey have a family of seven children: Eleanor, Evelyn, John Edward, Gladys, Woodrow, Dorothy and Lloyd Francis. Mr. Ramey gives his political allegiance to the democratic party, and his public spirit finds expression in his connection with the local board of education. He is one of the influential members of the Russell Chamber of Commerce and his fraternal affiliations are with the Masons and the Independent Order of Odd Fellows. A tireless worker, Mr. Ramey seems readily to comprehend the possibilities, opportunities and difficulties of a business situation and avoids the latter while improving the former to the fullest extent. He has reaped the rich harvest of his labors and at the same time has won the respect, confidence and good will of his fellowmen, for the principles of truth and honor have constituted his guide throughout life. taken from "history of kentucky, published 1928. hope this helps someone �

Jeannie, I have been wondering the same thing, who was Marchioness de Busancy? She was the great grandmother of the wife of our ancestor, George Remy. Does that mean that his wife is the mother of his descendents? This would make Marchioness de Busancy an ancestor as well. She must have been of royal blood since she was referred to as Her Highness. George's wife inherited the Busancy estate, the Manor of Rosieres. These Rameys married into, and were descendents of, Medieval Royality. Of course, in those days, there was a King or Lord for every few square miles. However, Jeannie, I think your saint hood outweighs royality. But any way you look at it, all I'm getting out of this is a feather in an Outback Hat. Lois Arthur ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-------: : : Excelent question ......... : : And..... if Cleo has to give up her crown then I will have to give up my : Staint-hood..... :( : : ALSO as I have ask before.... has ANYONE done any research on Beatrix de : Rosieres... and who is this Marchioness de Busancy? OR...has the good Dr. : Rhamey again misspelled a name or two........ : : Any Takers? : : -----Original Message----- : From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] : Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:02 AM : To: [email protected] : Subject: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards : : : Marsil, Cyndi, Sharon, Jeannie and All, : Here is serious research. I have been looking at this Remy Book I got from : Wilma and it mentions Didier, who lived around 1435 and was a descendent of : King Didier Rheims of the Lombards in 750. Many of us have the ancestor, : Didlier Remy 1485-1556, the ancestor of Jacob Remy, the immigrant. Many of : us on the list come from this line. I did some research: King Didier was : called Desidarius and had a daughter, not a sister as the book states, : whose name was Desiderata. She was married to King Charlamagne, who later : became Emperor of Rome. He didn't like her and eventually sent her back to : daddy. This started the Lombard War that lasted eight years, ending with : the defeat of Desidarius at Pavia, and he was sent into exile at a : monastary at Liege. : I wonder why Dr. Ramey, who compiled this book, thought this king was a : Rheims/Remy. I can't find a surname for him. In those times, most people : didn't have surnames. Can anyone help me out on this one? Was King : Desidarius a Remy, and if he was, was he of this Didlier to Jacob line? : Marsil may have to give back that crown after all. : : Lois Arthur in Indiana : [email protected] : :

Excelent question ......... And..... if Cleo has to give up her crown then I will have to give up my Staint-hood..... :( ALSO as I have ask before.... has ANYONE done any research on Beatrix de Rosieres... and who is this Marchioness de Busancy? OR...has the good Dr. Rhamey again misspelled a name or two........ Any Takers? -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards Marsil, Cyndi, Sharon, Jeannie and All, Here is serious research. I have been looking at this Remy Book I got from Wilma and it mentions Didier, who lived around 1435 and was a descendent of King Didier Rheims of the Lombards in 750. Many of us have the ancestor, Didlier Remy 1485-1556, the ancestor of Jacob Remy, the immigrant. Many of us on the list come from this line. I did some research: King Didier was called Desidarius and had a daughter, not a sister as the book states, whose name was Desiderata. She was married to King Charlamagne, who later became Emperor of Rome. He didn't like her and eventually sent her back to daddy. This started the Lombard War that lasted eight years, ending with the defeat of Desidarius at Pavia, and he was sent into exile at a monastary at Liege. I wonder why Dr. Ramey, who compiled this book, thought this king was a Rheims/Remy. I can't find a surname for him. In those times, most people didn't have surnames. Can anyone help me out on this one? Was King Desidarius a Remy, and if he was, was he of this Didlier to Jacob line? Marsil may have to give back that crown after all. Lois Arthur in Indiana [email protected]

Marsil, Cyndi, Sharon, Jeannie and All, Here is serious research. I have been looking at this Remy Book I got from Wilma and it mentions Didier, who lived around 1435 and was a descendent of King Didier Rheims of the Lombards in 750. Many of us have the ancestor, Didlier Remy 1485-1556, the ancestor of Jacob Remy, the immigrant. Many of us on the list come from this line. I did some research: King Didier was called Desidarius and had a daughter, not a sister as the book states, whose name was Desiderata. She was married to King Charlamagne, who later became Emperor of Rome. He didn't like her and eventually sent her back to daddy. This started the Lombard War that lasted eight years, ending with the defeat of Desidarius at Pavia, and he was sent into exile at a monastary at Liege. I wonder why Dr. Ramey, who compiled this book, thought this king was a Rheims/Remy. I can't find a surname for him. In those times, most people didn't have surnames. Can anyone help me out on this one? Was King Desidarius a Remy, and if he was, was he of this Didlier to Jacob line? Marsil may have to give back that crown after all. Lois Arthur in Indiana [email protected]

I fully agree cousin Cindy

Lois, It is true the volume of mail on this list has gone down. But it has not died. Now when a message is posted it is related to the purpose of the list. Each of us participate and contribute to the list as needed and when we are able. If anyone does not wish to participate or contribute - that is their choice and right. You appear to have made that decision, and (I'm sure we all miss) the benefit of your expertise and contribution. No one ever objected to a little humor. However, many list subscribers did object when your personal mail was the majority of the mail we were receiving. I do not understand the objection to using private e-mail for personal messages? Putting "NGI" (Non-Genealogical Info) in the subject line still makes the rest of us have to weed through your private messages - which were not occasional in the past. The answer for all of us is simply for each of us to be considerate of the other person.

Is this still a discussion Group or is it become a disgusted group. I hve not received any Ramey mail for a while. Lew

Cyndi, I like that idea. I am also on other mailing lists that are really great. We all joke around and research at the same time. Since we all delete our messages sooner or later anyway, what difference does it make? Lois Arthur ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE--------- : : : Lois, Marcil, etc. : : I, for one, miss it! And there are other lists I'm on that are much more : tolerant. We get to have fun and do research as well. Our trick is to put : "NGI" (Non-Genealogical Info) in the subject line. Then anyone who doesn't : want to read it can delete/ignore, but those of us who like a little fun with : our cousins can indulge ourselves freely! : : Cyndi :

This list would come back to life if all you serious researchers would let us non serious researchers back on. We e-mail each other via personal message now and your list has died. Lois Arthur in Indiana [email protected]

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Lois, Marcil, etc. I, for one, miss it! And there are other lists I'm on that are much more tolerant. We get to have fun and do research as well. Our trick is to put "NGI" (Non-Genealogical Info) in the subject line. Then anyone who doesn't want to read it can delete/ignore, but those of us who like a little fun with our cousins can indulge ourselves freely! Cyndi

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_908676296_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_908676296_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.gvtc.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-ya05.mx.aol.com (rly-ya05.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.197]) by air-ya02.mx.aol.com (v50.21) with SMTP; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:39:31 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by rly-ya05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id MAA16339; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from [email protected]) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01130; Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 11:17:09 -0500 From: Marlene <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) Old-To: "Fauquier CO,VA" <[email protected]> Subject: Just a little humor Resent-Message-ID: <"tNmkbB.A.cR.LRMK2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/232 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hope no one minds, but thought we all could relate to this. The Elusive Ancestor I went searching for an ancestor, I cannot find him still. He moved around from place to place and did not leave a will. He married where a courthouse burned, he mended all his fences. He avoided any man who came to take the U.S. Census. He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had no fame, And every 20 years or so, this rascal changed his name. His parents came from Europe. They should be on some list of passengers to the U.S.A., but somehow they got missed. And no one else in this world is searching for this man. So, I play geneasolitaire to find him if I can. I'm told he's buried in a plot, with tombstone he was blessed; but the weather took engraving, and some vandals took the rest. He died before the county clerks decided to keep records. No family Bible has emerged, in spite of all my efforts. To top it off, this ancestor who caused me many groans, Just to give me one more pain, betrothed a girl named JONES! ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received when you subscribed to this list. Feel free to contact Yvonne James-Henderson,list administrator mailto:[email protected] with questions concerning this list! --part0_908676296_boundary--

I am wondering if Jeremiah Ramey b abt 1755 VA; md Rebecca Dill b 22 Apr 1775 VA; is in the Ramey book that is being talked about on this site. (He may have had a wife before Rebecca). I am interested in his ancestry. My Ramey line is: Jeremiah Sr., Jeremiah, Jr.; John Dill Ramey; Edmund Winfield Ramey, John Thomas Ramey; Beryl Ramey Belden (my mother). Thanks Nina Belden Jackson