They would say... Hey!... that is a pretty good group of folks... they research and laugh too..... tho there are a few asps present... Ste Arc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 5:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] No Sense of Humor heh heh heh heh hee haw, i see the ramey list is "active" again. i have just one question. will all this correspondence be archived?? can you imagine someone going through the archives and finding all this. heh heh rick

Nefi.... Shame on you! -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 5:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards Cyndi, If you are descended from Charlemagne, then your ancestor took my ancestor's native lands. Those are fighting words. I want compensation! Seriously, I would be interested in learning about your line to Charlemagne when you get all the information. I like to research modern bloodlines with ancient ones. Seeing how the people traveled, where they settled, etc. is so interesting. I always tell my husband that his ancestors had to have been Neanderthal because he has bony ridges above his eyes. His mother's maiden name was Purtlebaugh. I found out that Purtlebaugh means "pot bellied farmer". I told him that now he knows what his ancestors looked like. Comparing modern people to ancient people, is a hobby. Teasing my husband, is a duty. Lois Arthur ---------ORIGINAL MESSAGE----------- : : Hi all, : : How certain is the info contained in this book? I've never seen it. I'm : descended from Jacob, too according to Rick Ramey's research--he got further : on our line than my dad had (ours is from Sanford, Sr. and Jemima) so I don't : know a lot of stuff! I just found out yesterday I may be related to : Charlemagne (and half the royal lines of Europe according to this source!) so : the story about Desiderata is particularly interesting! Tell me more! : : Cyndi : P.S. If the humor-impaired people are not from Jacob, maybe we should start a : Jacob Remy list... :

I think that most all of us are.... well, maybe not... I blame it on this key board :) -----Original Message----- From: James D. Miller [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 11:47 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards I'll be the first to admit that I am a bad speller. Jim Miller -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards >Jeannie, >I'm not sure who you are talking about. Is it the King of the Lombards >you are talking about? Does he have male children? He could have >descendents from female children. The source I found stated that it was >not known if Charlamagne and Desiderata had children. Desidarius was a >minor king. I still wonder if he was a Ramey. >Don't feel bad about having someone correct your spelling. Did you see >James Miller's message correcting my history mistake about Charlamagne? >He's right, I goofed. But do I feel bad? Do I feel picked upon? Do I >hate being corrected when I am wrong? Of course not. Also, would I tell >James, in an act of revenge, that he spelled Emperor wrong. Of course not. > I wouldn'd do a thing like that. >Lois Arthur > >----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE---------: >: I ask this question on the midieval list once... but unfortionaly i was >: using the spelling of "the Dr. Rhamey"..... should re sub and ask again >: since I finally looked it up one day.... :) .. there was no son listed >as >: a descendant..... >: besides I was quite subdued on that list.. it is one that will leave you >: feeling rather stupid..... there is one man on it hat even corrects >peoples >: spelling... and not nicly.... he must be an asp... >: >: >: -----Original Message----- >: From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] >: Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 10:35 AM >: To: [email protected] >: Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards >: >: >: Jeannie, >: I have been wondering the same thing, who was Marchioness de Busancy? >She >: was the great grandmother of the wife of our ancestor, George Remy. Does >: that mean that his wife is the mother of his descendents? This would >make >: Marchioness de Busancy an ancestor as well. She must have been of royal >: blood since she was referred to as Her Highness. George's wife inherited >: the Busancy estate, the Manor of Rosieres. These Rameys married into, >and >: were descendents of, Medieval Royality. Of course, in those days, there >: was a King or Lord for every few square miles. However, Jeannie, I think >: your saint hood outweighs royality. But any way you look at it, all I'm >: getting out of this is a feather in an Outback Hat. >: Lois Arthur >: >: >: ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-------: >: : >: : Excelent question ......... >: : >: : And..... if Cleo has to give up her crown then I will have to give up >my >: : Staint-hood..... :( >: : >: : ALSO as I have ask before.... has ANYONE done any research on Beatrix >de >: : Rosieres... and who is this Marchioness de Busancy? OR...has the good >: Dr. >: : Rhamey again misspelled a name or two........ >: : >: : Any Takers? >: : >: : -----Original Message----- >: : From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] >: : Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:02 AM >: : To: [email protected] >: : Subject: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards >: : >: : >: : Marsil, Cyndi, Sharon, Jeannie and All, >: : Here is serious research. I have been looking at this Remy Book I got >: from >: : Wilma and it mentions Didier, who lived around 1435 and was a >descendent >: of >: : King Didier Rheims of the Lombards in 750. Many of us have the >ancestor, >: : Didlier Remy 1485-1556, the ancestor of Jacob Remy, the immigrant. >Many >: of >: : us on the list come from this line. I did some research: King Didier >was >: : called Desidarius and had a daughter, not a sister as the book states, >: : whose name was Desiderata. She was married to King Charlamagne, who >: later >: : became Emperor of Rome. He didn't like her and eventually sent her back >: to >: : daddy. This started the Lombard War that lasted eight years, ending >with >: : the defeat of Desidarius at Pavia, and he was sent into exile at a >: : monastary at Liege. >: : I wonder why Dr. Ramey, who compiled this book, thought this king was >a >: : Rheims/Remy. I can't find a surname for him. In those times, most >: people >: : didn't have surnames. Can anyone help me out on this one? Was King >: : Desidarius a Remy, and if he was, was he of this Didlier to Jacob line? >: : Marsil may have to give back that crown after all. >: : >: : Lois Arthur in Indiana >: : [email protected] >: : >: : >: >: > >______________________________ ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== ****please, if anyone is interested in becoming listowner for the Ramey email list, please contact Mary K. [email protected] I have taken on much more than I can handle, and need some help!

Aren't we all, Jim? Somedays I can't believe that the word "the" is spelled correctly. ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. Roswell, NM

It is interesting what surnames mean and where they come from. CREECH is "lifter of cattle"- could get you killed in the West even today. So I dutifully remind Old Grumpy of his past daily. Cleo- ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. Roswell, NM

I'll be the first to admit that I am a bad speller. Jim Miller -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, October 19, 1998 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards >Jeannie, >I'm not sure who you are talking about. Is it the King of the Lombards >you are talking about? Does he have male children? He could have >descendents from female children. The source I found stated that it was >not known if Charlamagne and Desiderata had children. Desidarius was a >minor king. I still wonder if he was a Ramey. >Don't feel bad about having someone correct your spelling. Did you see >James Miller's message correcting my history mistake about Charlamagne? >He's right, I goofed. But do I feel bad? Do I feel picked upon? Do I >hate being corrected when I am wrong? Of course not. Also, would I tell >James, in an act of revenge, that he spelled Emperor wrong. Of course not. > I wouldn'd do a thing like that. >Lois Arthur > >----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE---------: >: I ask this question on the midieval list once... but unfortionaly i was >: using the spelling of "the Dr. Rhamey"..... should re sub and ask again >: since I finally looked it up one day.... :) .. there was no son listed >as >: a descendant..... >: besides I was quite subdued on that list.. it is one that will leave you >: feeling rather stupid..... there is one man on it hat even corrects >peoples >: spelling... and not nicly.... he must be an asp... >: >: >: -----Original Message----- >: From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] >: Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 10:35 AM >: To: [email protected] >: Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards >: >: >: Jeannie, >: I have been wondering the same thing, who was Marchioness de Busancy? >She >: was the great grandmother of the wife of our ancestor, George Remy. Does >: that mean that his wife is the mother of his descendents? This would >make >: Marchioness de Busancy an ancestor as well. She must have been of royal >: blood since she was referred to as Her Highness. George's wife inherited >: the Busancy estate, the Manor of Rosieres. These Rameys married into, >and >: were descendents of, Medieval Royality. Of course, in those days, there >: was a King or Lord for every few square miles. However, Jeannie, I think >: your saint hood outweighs royality. But any way you look at it, all I'm >: getting out of this is a feather in an Outback Hat. >: Lois Arthur >: >: >: ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-------: >: : >: : Excelent question ......... >: : >: : And..... if Cleo has to give up her crown then I will have to give up >my >: : Staint-hood..... :( >: : >: : ALSO as I have ask before.... has ANYONE done any research on Beatrix >de >: : Rosieres... and who is this Marchioness de Busancy? OR...has the good >: Dr. >: : Rhamey again misspelled a name or two........ >: : >: : Any Takers? >: : >: : -----Original Message----- >: : From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] >: : Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:02 AM >: : To: [email protected] >: : Subject: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards >: : >: : >: : Marsil, Cyndi, Sharon, Jeannie and All, >: : Here is serious research. I have been looking at this Remy Book I got >: from >: : Wilma and it mentions Didier, who lived around 1435 and was a >descendent >: of >: : King Didier Rheims of the Lombards in 750. Many of us have the >ancestor, >: : Didlier Remy 1485-1556, the ancestor of Jacob Remy, the immigrant. >Many >: of >: : us on the list come from this line. I did some research: King Didier >was >: : called Desidarius and had a daughter, not a sister as the book states, >: : whose name was Desiderata. She was married to King Charlamagne, who >: later >: : became Emperor of Rome. He didn't like her and eventually sent her back >: to >: : daddy. This started the Lombard War that lasted eight years, ending >with >: : the defeat of Desidarius at Pavia, and he was sent into exile at a >: : monastary at Liege. >: : I wonder why Dr. Ramey, who compiled this book, thought this king was >a >: : Rheims/Remy. I can't find a surname for him. In those times, most >: people >: : didn't have surnames. Can anyone help me out on this one? Was King >: : Desidarius a Remy, and if he was, was he of this Didlier to Jacob line? >: : Marsil may have to give back that crown after all. >: : >: : Lois Arthur in Indiana >: : [email protected] >: : >: : >: >: > >______________________________

Hi Skeets, Thanks for posting ! ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. Roswell, NM

Lew Jenkins wrote: > > Is this still a discussion Group or is it become a disgusted group. I > hve not received any Ramey mail for a while. > > Lew Hi everybody! I sure am glad to see the people on this list fuss-n and a fight-n again. interaction like this is better than sitting at the computer and staring at a blank Ramey list. I received 27 messages from the Ramey list today and enjoyed seeing people talking to each other again. I'm sorry I waited so long to ask why the list was so sick. Thanks again and I do enjoy humor along with genealogy. Afterall our ancestors had to do something for fun and I have always been told humor has a heaeling effect and is a great medicine easy to take. Cousin Lew of Cleveland, Oh Searching Butterbaugh, Crace/Crase, Jenkins, Montgomery, Price, Ramey and others

Interesting Nefi, I hadn['t thought about it but they didn't have surnames back then. Hummm- Maybe the royalty had surnames- Check, I think, on our old Jacob, there are some different type numbers regarding him. I believe this has something to do with the French genealogy of the surname Remy. Might be able to find more info. Regardless, however, I keep the crown. Marsil "The Great Pretender" ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. Roswell, NM

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_908865654_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_908865654_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: [email protected] Return-path: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Re: [RAMEY-L] No Sense of Humor Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 21:56:39 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cyndi, My name is Jim Farrar and I was the one that said we should be considerate of each other. And, I meant it both ways. I truly do not object to humor mixed with information exchange. (Seriously) You will also notice that I have tried to make my comments on the list generic and not personal. I am not without a sense of humor nor any more of a serious researcher than you are. In addition, your suggestion: "Have you guys tried the Words-L list? It's pretty fun if you like that sort of thing (words, I mean).I know there are some "serious" wordsmiths/punsters and the like on the Ramey-L list! I say poop! on those fuddy-duddies." does not feel like a constructive way to find a workable solution for everyone. Public criticism of Jim Miller's spelling also seemed unnecessarily mean spirited to me. Once again I offer the suggestion, with all of us showing consideration for the other person - we all can enjoy the benefits of the list. Jim --part0_908865654_boundary--

Cyndi, If you are descended from Charlemagne, then your ancestor took my ancestor's native lands. Those are fighting words. I want compensation! Seriously, I would be interested in learning about your line to Charlemagne when you get all the information. I like to research modern bloodlines with ancient ones. Seeing how the people traveled, where they settled, etc. is so interesting. I always tell my husband that his ancestors had to have been Neanderthal because he has bony ridges above his eyes. His mother's maiden name was Purtlebaugh. I found out that Purtlebaugh means "pot bellied farmer". I told him that now he knows what his ancestors looked like. Comparing modern people to ancient people, is a hobby. Teasing my husband, is a duty. Lois Arthur ---------ORIGINAL MESSAGE----------- : : Hi all, : : How certain is the info contained in this book? I've never seen it. I'm : descended from Jacob, too according to Rick Ramey's research--he got further : on our line than my dad had (ours is from Sanford, Sr. and Jemima) so I don't : know a lot of stuff! I just found out yesterday I may be related to : Charlemagne (and half the royal lines of Europe according to this source!) so : the story about Desiderata is particularly interesting! Tell me more! : : Cyndi : P.S. If the humor-impaired people are not from Jacob, maybe we should start a : Jacob Remy list... :

Cousin Cyndi, you go girl !!!

Please Unsubscribe. [email protected] wrote: > Lois, > > It is true the volume of mail on this list has gone down. But it has not > died. Now when a message is posted it is related to the purpose of the list. > Each of us participate and contribute to the list as needed and when we are > able. If anyone does not wish to participate or contribute - that is their > choice and right. You appear to have made that decision, and (I'm sure we all > miss) the benefit of your expertise and contribution. No one ever objected > to a little humor. However, many list subscribers did object when your > personal mail was the majority of the mail we were receiving. > > I do not understand the objection to using private e-mail for personal > messages? Putting "NGI" (Non-Genealogical Info) in the subject line still > makes the rest of us have to weed through your private messages - which were > not occasional in the past. The answer for all of us is simply for each of us > to be considerate of the other person.

Actually Cindi..... it is the descent from Jacob that causes this aparent flaw in our personalitites... J. <>< -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 4:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards Hi all, How certain is the info contained in this book? I've never seen it. I'm descended from Jacob, too according to Rick Ramey's research--he got further on our line than my dad had (ours is from Sanford, Sr. and Jemima) so I don't know a lot of stuff! I just found out yesterday I may be related to Charlemagne (and half the royal lines of Europe according to this source!) so the story about Desiderata is particularly interesting! Tell me more! Cyndi P.S. If the humor-impaired people are not from Jacob, maybe we should start a Jacob Remy list...

Amen Cindi! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 4:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] No Sense of Humor Thanks! How 'bout that rather unpleasant last comment about being "considerate"? Boils my blood... Don't want to get into ickiness on-line...but really! These people can't tell me there's not plenty of real crap they have to wade thru (porn and spam ads) every day; I welcome the humor! I work hard at the genealogy, but I like to lighten up now and then...Have you guys tried the Words-L list? It's pretty fun if you like that sort of thing (words, I mean). I know there are some "serious" wordsmiths/punsters and the like on the Ramey- L list! I say poop! on those fuddy-duddies (both recent words discussed on Words-l)!!! Cousin Cyndi

Jim, and all those interested in history, In the latter half of the fifth century, The Roman Empire in the West more or less crumbled. The Empire in the East lasted until around 1453 then fell to the Turks. The last Emperor of Rome was Romulus. He was defeated in 476 by Odoacer, a German King. My teenage son was surprise to learn that Romulus was actually a real person and not the home planet of the pointed eared Romulans of Star Trek fame. Charlemagne was Charles the Great, the King of the Franks from 768 to 814 and Emperor of the West from 800 to 814. His father was Pepin the Short and his grandfather was Charles Martel. Charlemagne seized the Lombardy possessions and was crown king of Lombard in 774. On Christmas Day, 800 A.D., the Pope crowed him Emperor of the Romans. He was the first Emperor since 476. Actually, he was a barbarian more than a Roman. He spoke the Frankish language, was a hunter and swimmer. He loved horses. History says he was seven feet tall with blond hair and a large smile. After his death, his son Louis I, took over and the Empire soon fell apart. Charlemagne restored the old glory of Rome, if only briefly. What a fasinating character. Lois ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-----------: : : Just a historical correction... : : Charlemagne was not Emporer of Rome, but he was rather the First Emporer of : the Holy Roman Empire, the Roman Empire having colapsed several hundred : years earlier. : : Jim Miller : : : : : > :

Jeannie, I'm not sure who you are talking about. Is it the King of the Lombards you are talking about? Does he have male children? He could have descendents from female children. The source I found stated that it was not known if Charlamagne and Desiderata had children. Desidarius was a minor king. I still wonder if he was a Ramey. Don't feel bad about having someone correct your spelling. Did you see James Miller's message correcting my history mistake about Charlamagne? He's right, I goofed. But do I feel bad? Do I feel picked upon? Do I hate being corrected when I am wrong? Of course not. Also, would I tell James, in an act of revenge, that he spelled Emperor wrong. Of course not. I wouldn'd do a thing like that. Lois Arthur ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE---------: : I ask this question on the midieval list once... but unfortionaly i was : using the spelling of "the Dr. Rhamey"..... should re sub and ask again : since I finally looked it up one day.... :) .. there was no son listed as : a descendant..... : besides I was quite subdued on that list.. it is one that will leave you : feeling rather stupid..... there is one man on it hat even corrects peoples : spelling... and not nicly.... he must be an asp... : : : -----Original Message----- : From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] : Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 10:35 AM : To: [email protected] : Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards : : : Jeannie, : I have been wondering the same thing, who was Marchioness de Busancy? She : was the great grandmother of the wife of our ancestor, George Remy. Does : that mean that his wife is the mother of his descendents? This would make : Marchioness de Busancy an ancestor as well. She must have been of royal : blood since she was referred to as Her Highness. George's wife inherited : the Busancy estate, the Manor of Rosieres. These Rameys married into, and : were descendents of, Medieval Royality. Of course, in those days, there : was a King or Lord for every few square miles. However, Jeannie, I think : your saint hood outweighs royality. But any way you look at it, all I'm : getting out of this is a feather in an Outback Hat. : Lois Arthur : : : ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-------: : : : : Excelent question ......... : : : : And..... if Cleo has to give up her crown then I will have to give up my : : Staint-hood..... :( : : : : ALSO as I have ask before.... has ANYONE done any research on Beatrix de : : Rosieres... and who is this Marchioness de Busancy? OR...has the good : Dr. : : Rhamey again misspelled a name or two........ : : : : Any Takers? : : : : -----Original Message----- : : From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] : : Sent: Monday, October 19, 1998 9:02 AM : : To: [email protected] : : Subject: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards : : : : : : Marsil, Cyndi, Sharon, Jeannie and All, : : Here is serious research. I have been looking at this Remy Book I got : from : : Wilma and it mentions Didier, who lived around 1435 and was a descendent : of : : King Didier Rheims of the Lombards in 750. Many of us have the ancestor, : : Didlier Remy 1485-1556, the ancestor of Jacob Remy, the immigrant. Many : of : : us on the list come from this line. I did some research: King Didier was : : called Desidarius and had a daughter, not a sister as the book states, : : whose name was Desiderata. She was married to King Charlamagne, who : later : : became Emperor of Rome. He didn't like her and eventually sent her back : to : : daddy. This started the Lombard War that lasted eight years, ending with : : the defeat of Desidarius at Pavia, and he was sent into exile at a : : monastary at Liege. : : I wonder why Dr. Ramey, who compiled this book, thought this king was a : : Rheims/Remy. I can't find a surname for him. In those times, most : people : : didn't have surnames. Can anyone help me out on this one? Was King : : Desidarius a Remy, and if he was, was he of this Didlier to Jacob line? : : Marsil may have to give back that crown after all. : : : : Lois Arthur in Indiana : : [email protected] : : : : : :

heh heh heh heh hee haw, i see the ramey list is "active" again. i have just one question. will all this correspondence be archived?? can you imagine someone going through the archives and finding all this. heh heh rick

OOPS! Meant that as a private reply to someone not as general list material. Really! I would never say things like that publicly! I'm very sorry if I've offended--I just miss the humor mixed with the serious genealogy and wish we could enjoy both here without being put down. Repeat: this was not intended to offend!

Lol, Lois--I caught that, too and thought about a response...but I've said my piece I guess... Cyndi