shhhhhhhhhh :) -----Original Message----- From: MRS MARSIL R CREECH [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 9:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] FW: Desidebia Of course, poor Cleo, QUEEN, aka Marsil will never find out. Bless her little heart. The embarrassment would be too much, wouldn't it? The others who just think they have royal blood would definitely be terribly embarrassed to know that theirs is so thin by now that it is almost not there. Where on the other hand, dear little Marsil, would outshine the entire lack luster crown of wannabes. So yes, I agree. Lets keep this a secret from sweet little Marsil. Mum is the word. I won't tell her if you won't. ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. Roswell, NM

The following was posted on ,[email protected] and I thought this list might find it helpful. I have also added the list of "Do's and don'ts referred to in the message. Jim Farrar Those Do's and Don'ts for getting responses to your E mail on the genealogy lists are getting discussed a lot --And folks have really been adding to them. Seems like everyone has a pet peeve about what other people post, and wish everyone else would write their E mail they way they do!!! Don't know how many people have sent me messages saying "right on!" and "ya'll'' forgot an important Do or Don't!"If you have missed what all the commotion is about, go to http://www.usigs.org/signal/signal.htm That is the URL for the current issue of the biweekly newsletter for USIGS - United States Genealogical Society. Therein is published a really great list explaining Mail List Etiquette that we all would do well to commit to memory. Me included! Anyway, we plan to add to this list in the next couple of weeks, based on your responses. So go look and then write me what you think. love' joan Wood County WVGenWeb County Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvwood/indexa.htm Visit my Home Page at: http://www.angelfire.com/fl/HeathHouse/index.html AND at: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/e/a/Diana-K-Heath/index.html ICQ#: 21444624 Mailing List Rules for All Mailing Lists •DO - read your e-mail before sending it. If it doesn't make any sense to you it won't make any sense to anyone else. •DON'T - send derogatory comments about others on the list. This is called 'flaming', is rude and disruptive, and can get you kicked off of some lists for such bad behavior. •DO - remember that the only impression you leave is via your e-mail, so if you are rude or derrogatory in your e-mail, that is the impression others get of you. •DO - read and SAVE the software-generated welcome message you get when joining a mailing list. It has important information, such as how to unsubscribe. Too often people don't read this information and end up sending e-mail after e-mail complaining about not being taken off a mailing list. If you unsubscribe properly, you will be unsubscribed automatically with no fuss. •DON'T - send attachments over a mailing list. This forces (and can overburden) a listserver to copy that attachment (no matter how large it is) to -every- member of the list. A server can crash attempting to comply with such a request. And all list members may not be able to read, use, or WANT some attachments. The attachment may require special software to view. A large, unwanted attachment can be too large for someone's personal machine and foul their e-mail que at their server when their machine will not download it. Save attachments like word processor and picture files for PRIVATE e-mail when you know in advance the person wants the attachment and will be able to use it. •DON'T - reply over the mailing list to someone if the information you are passing back is not of general interest to most members of the mailing list. In other words, don't carry on conversations with other parties that is of no interest to everyone else. •DON'T - put personal information in e-mail. Any personal information about yourself or others can be used by the unscrupulous to steal from you or others. Your own identity is precious. Safeguard others' identities, too. •DON'T - put any Social Security numbers in your email. These numbers for anyone, either living or dead, can be misused the same as personal information can. This rule should also apply to web pages. •DON'T - reply back to a query and send back the other person's whole e-mail message. Cut out the portions that are not pertinent to your reply, as you can. This will save disk space, bandwidth, and message up/download time. An experienced mailing list user can often be identified by how well (s)he edits their replies to include only the portions of another's message required to explain their comments. •DON'T - reply to a message with a "me, too", implying you also agree with something. NEVER quote entire messages and add "me, too". If you want to indicate "I would be interested in that information also", reply to the message privately. •DO - read all of your queued e-mail before responding to someone's e-mail. Someone else may have already responded just as you want to. This is espcially important if you are rarely able to read your e-mail in a timely manner. Don't punish others with your answer until you are sure no one else responded. •DON'T - type your entire message in capital letters. This is considered to be shouting and rude. •DON'T - send test messages when you think the list may be down. It probably isn't. And refrain from answering such test messages unless you reply privately. •DON'T - point out other individuals' spelling errors and/or typos. Some people may not be able to spell or type as well as you do, and we -all- make mistakes occassionally. •DO - keep the subject lines succinct and pertinent. That is, do not compose a subject line so long that it does not display in your mailer's index. Do not endlessly repeat a subject from reply to reply after the actual subject of a message thread changes. Do regularly -change- as necessary the subject lines to reflect what YOUR message is about. Avoid subject lines like "Looking for information about my grandfather Andrew Jackson GROVE". In a mailer's index you will never see the pertinent part of that subject line. All will know you are "looking for ..." so just use "Andrew Jackson GROVE" as your subject. Never begin your message in the subject line and expect others to understand your message (Subj: 'Trying to find details on the family of Meriwether'; Message body: 'LEWIS and the families of other...' And, finally, avoid listing surnames in the subject line that are never repeated in the body of the message. Good subject lines make for much better genealogy mailing list messages! Mailing List Rules Specifically Pointed To Genealogical Lists •DON'T - send your lookup requests to multiple lists simultaneously. This is called cross-posting and over-uses server resources, wastes message archive space, and results in a number of people doing the -same- lookup for you. •DO - give complete locale information: include city, county, state, and country (when known) in addition to a date, such as: "Married in abt 1823, Miami Co., OH". If unknown, an estimate will help, such as, "second half of the 19th century" -or- "probably in Georgia or Alabama" •DO - include some information about what you have already searched. •DO - put all surnames in capital letters for more easily scanning messages and to distiguish surnames from other words (when there

female version of Viscount-Discount ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. Roswell, NM

Speaking of flying, and we were, weren't we? Guess whose birthday is Oct. 31st? ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. Roswell, NM

Of course, poor Cleo, QUEEN, aka Marsil will never find out. Bless her little heart. The embarrassment would be too much, wouldn't it? The others who just think they have royal blood would definitely be terribly embarrassed to know that theirs is so thin by now that it is almost not there. Where on the other hand, dear little Marsil, would outshine the entire lack luster crown of wannabes. So yes, I agree. Lets keep this a secret from sweet little Marsil. Mum is the word. I won't tell her if you won't. ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. Roswell, NM

Nefi, Sorry, St. Arc does not have one of MY UFO's. I keep those for myself. After all, the US government says they do not exist. Besides I look so nice sitting in one of them wearing my crown. ____ Marsil in the Land of UFO's, Aliens, and weather balloons. Roswell, NM

Please provide the proof that this is fictional. Thank you. [email protected] ---------- > From: Jean Dalrymple <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [RAMEY-L] FW: Marchioness de Busancy > Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:56 AM > > WOW! That last line sort of says something huh!..... :)..... this > guy is SUPPOSED to be an expert...... very interesting........ > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Addams Reitwiesner [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 1998 8:40 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Marchioness de Busancy > > > At 10:04 PM 10/20/1998 -0500, you wrote: > >Greetings, > >I am new to the list. I joined hoping that this group, interested in > >Medieval Royalty, > > Actually, it's not. It's for post-Medieval Royalty. > > > > might be able to help me in my researching of some of my > >more elusive Medieval ancestors. I am seeking information on Her Highness > >Marchioness de Busancy. She died in 1347. I know that she had a great > >grandaughter, name unknown, who inherited her estate, The Manor of > >Rosieres. This great grandaughter married George Remy, born 1519. He was > >ennobled 1560 in Lorraine, France. George's father was Didier Remy > >1485-1556 and was also ennobled September 13, 1554 under the name of > >Rheims. > > This sounds like Bonnelle William Rhamy's claimed ancestry of Jacob Remy of > Westmorland County, Virginia. If so, then don't bother -- it's all > fictional. > > > William Addams Reitwiesner > [email protected] > > > > ==== RAMEY Mailing List ==== > ****please, if anyone is interested in becoming listowner > for the Ramey email list, please contact Mary K. > [email protected] > > I have taken on much more than I can handle, and > need some help! >

Oops, I spelled thought wrong. Better say something before Jim does. Lois

I tought that many of you interesred in these ennobled, medieval French Remys might want to know the order of royal and noble rank that was used then and today King - Queen Prince - Princess Duke - Dutchess (sometimes a duke was a European Prince ruling over a duchy (what's that?) Marquis - Marchioness Count - Countess (in England, this rank is Earl) Viscount I wonder what the female version of Viscount is, Viscountess? Lois Arthur in Indiana [email protected]

Your right, Cleo might fly in on one of those UFO's.... :) -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 7:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] FW: Desidebia Jeannie, Thanks for the information. Now I too am a member of the Gen Royal List. See you there. Let's keep this a secret from Marsil. She might embarrass us there. Lois ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-----------: : How many times do I have to remind you Nefi.... I am a SAINT..... not of : this world type thing.... yet not a UFO...... I can fly on my own.... : : ACTUALLY I belong to the GEN-ROYAL-L list... I have already ask about the : Marchioness... there has been NO takers... also about her Highness... and no : takers there either......will let you know more when I hear more.... i think : that we will have to go to the mid e. list (can't never remember how to : spell that)... : : Any way join the list and ask your questions....... there are some folks : on there that are SO very smart..... but most sound like greek to me... but : then I only speak French... as you know : ... : : : : : : : : : : : :

:) :) -----Original Message----- From: James D. Miller [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 9:45 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] King of the Lombards Hi Lois, I honestly thought about replying to this off the list, but since it was brought up on the list I thought it best that every one else gets to read it also. I did realize that you were teasing me & not all that serious. I must say that I do subscribe to numerous other lists: Fox, Hatch, Bird, & Jefferson to name a few off the top of my head, and I have never seen the number of "humorous" postings which appear on this list. There is an occasional Genealogist Prayer and other assorted things like that, but they are rare. Never-the-less, I'll concede (I had to look that one up... Ha Ha) to the humor postings, & recognize that I tried to put up a snow fence to hold back an avanche. A final note: I am also a descendant of Charlemagne through the American immigrant, Edmund Hawes. Jim Miller

Hi Lois, I honestly thought about replying to this off the list, but since it was brought up on the list I thought it best that every one else gets to read it also. I did realize that you were teasing me & not all that serious. I must say that I do subscribe to numerous other lists: Fox, Hatch, Bird, & Jefferson to name a few off the top of my head, and I have never seen the number of "humorous" postings which appear on this list. There is an occasional Genealogist Prayer and other assorted things like that, but they are rare. Never-the-less, I'll concede (I had to look that one up... Ha Ha) to the humor postings, & recognize that I tried to put up a snow fence to hold back an avanche. A final note: I am also a descendant of Charlemagne through the American immigrant, Edmund Hawes. Jim Miller

I finally discovered something about Marchioness de Busancy, the ancestor of George Remy's wife. Marchioness is not a first name. It is the title given to a woman who is the widow of a marquis. A marquis is a nobleman with a rank just below that of a duke. I wonder what is considered higher, duke or count. Jim, my mother use to watch "Queen for a Day" all the time. Does that count for anything? No. I didn't think so. Lois Arthur in Indiana [email protected]

Jeannie, Thanks for the information. Now I too am a member of the Gen Royal List. See you there. Let's keep this a secret from Marsil. She might embarrass us there. Lois ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-----------: : How many times do I have to remind you Nefi.... I am a SAINT..... not of : this world type thing.... yet not a UFO...... I can fly on my own.... : : ACTUALLY I belong to the GEN-ROYAL-L list... I have already ask about the : Marchioness... there has been NO takers... also about her Highness... and no : takers there either......will let you know more when I hear more.... i think : that we will have to go to the mid e. list (can't never remember how to : spell that)... : : Any way join the list and ask your questions....... there are some folks : on there that are SO very smart..... but most sound like greek to me... but : then I only speak French... as you know : ... : : : : : : : : : : : :

How many times do I have to remind you Nefi.... I am a SAINT..... not of this world type thing.... yet not a UFO...... I can fly on my own.... ACTUALLY I belong to the GEN-ROYAL-L list... I have already ask about the Marchioness... there has been NO takers... also about her Highness... and no takers there either......will let you know more when I hear more.... i think that we will have to go to the mid e. list (can't never remember how to spell that)... Any way join the list and ask your questions....... there are some folks on there that are SO very smart..... but most sound like greek to me... but then I only speak French... as you know -----Original Message----- From: Lois Arthur [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 4:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [RAMEY-L] FW: Desidebia Jeannie, The information you sent from Stefan Hoellriegl was very interesting. I tried to e-mail him seeking more information about this king and about Marchioness de Busancy, if he had any. The message popped back to me with the notation from my internet server that they do not send e-mail to "other domains". The man doesn't live on Mars does he? Have you got any ideas as to how I can send a message to him. How did you do it? You don't have one of Marsil's UFOs do you? Lois Arthur [email protected] ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE--------- : : Hey, ya'll.....listen up.........now we are getting educated...... and here : goes my halo, ohh darn........ : : -----Original Message----- : From: Stefan Hoellriegl [mailto:[email protected]] : Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 6:12 AM : To: H. Jean Dalrymple : Subject: Re: Desidebia : : : : >Who was Desidebia, other then the King of the Lombards and who were his : >descendants?.........his daughter was married to Charlemagne... SO they : >say... : : : surely you mean Desiderius, died 774, Duke of Tuscany and last King of the : Lombards 757 : by his wife Ansa he had the following descendants (additional infrmation : welcome): : 1. Adalchis, King of the Lombards (joint) 759-774, marr. ..., sister of : Charlemagne : 2. Desiderata (died 814), marr. 770 (annul. 771) Charlemagne, King of the : Franks (747-814) : 3. Liutberga, marr. Tassilo III Duke of Bavaria (d. after 794, was deposed : 788) : 3.1. Theodo, Duke of Bavaria (joint) 777, becomes monk 788 : 3.2. Theotbert, a monk : 3.3. a daughter, nun in Chelles : 3.4. a daughter, nun in Laon : 4. Adalberga, marr. Arichis, Duke of Benevent (died 787) : 4.1. Grimoald III, died 807, Duke of Benevent : : Stefan Hoellriegl : :

Jeannie, The information you sent from Stefan Hoellriegl was very interesting. I tried to e-mail him seeking more information about this king and about Marchioness de Busancy, if he had any. The message popped back to me with the notation from my internet server that they do not send e-mail to "other domains". The man doesn't live on Mars does he? Have you got any ideas as to how I can send a message to him. How did you do it? You don't have one of Marsil's UFOs do you? Lois Arthur [email protected] ----------ORIGINAL MESSAGE--------- : : Hey, ya'll.....listen up.........now we are getting educated...... and here : goes my halo, ohh darn........ : : -----Original Message----- : From: Stefan Hoellriegl [mailto:[email protected]] : Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 6:12 AM : To: H. Jean Dalrymple : Subject: Re: Desidebia : : : : >Who was Desidebia, other then the King of the Lombards and who were his : >descendants?.........his daughter was married to Charlemagne... SO they : >say... : : : surely you mean Desiderius, died 774, Duke of Tuscany and last King of the : Lombards 757 : by his wife Ansa he had the following descendants (additional infrmation : welcome): : 1. Adalchis, King of the Lombards (joint) 759-774, marr. ..., sister of : Charlemagne : 2. Desiderata (died 814), marr. 770 (annul. 771) Charlemagne, King of the : Franks (747-814) : 3. Liutberga, marr. Tassilo III Duke of Bavaria (d. after 794, was deposed : 788) : 3.1. Theodo, Duke of Bavaria (joint) 777, becomes monk 788 : 3.2. Theotbert, a monk : 3.3. a daughter, nun in Chelles : 3.4. a daughter, nun in Laon : 4. Adalberga, marr. Arichis, Duke of Benevent (died 787) : 4.1. Grimoald III, died 807, Duke of Benevent : : Stefan Hoellriegl : :

Hi all, I'm a great speller but the worst of typists! And I keep spilling coffee on the keyboard and then it sticks...So tolerating typos/spelling problems just has to come with the process. And Lois, IF i am related to Charlemagne on one line, I am certainly of the basest peasant stock on many others. No wonder life gets so confusing! All these lines battling it out! On a genealogical note, Dad wants to verify our line. Rick Ramey (wonderful Rick!) sent me a chart showing Sanford, Sr and Jemima his daughter from Jacob the immigrant. But dates are slightly different than what Dad has. Does anyone have the sources? The proofs? Can anyone second the amendment?! Thanks, Cyndi

Hey, ya'll.....listen up.........now we are getting educated...... and here goes my halo, ohh darn........ -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Hoellriegl [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 6:12 AM To: H. Jean Dalrymple Subject: Re: Desidebia >Who was Desidebia, other then the King of the Lombards and who were his >descendants?.........his daughter was married to Charlemagne... SO they >say... surely you mean Desiderius, died 774, Duke of Tuscany and last King of the Lombards 757 by his wife Ansa he had the following descendants (additional infrmation welcome): 1. Adalchis, King of the Lombards (joint) 759-774, marr. ..., sister of Charlemagne 2. Desiderata (died 814), marr. 770 (annul. 771) Charlemagne, King of the Franks (747-814) 3. Liutberga, marr. Tassilo III Duke of Bavaria (d. after 794, was deposed 788) 3.1. Theodo, Duke of Bavaria (joint) 777, becomes monk 788 3.2. Theotbert, a monk 3.3. a daughter, nun in Chelles 3.4. a daughter, nun in Laon 4. Adalberga, marr. Arichis, Duke of Benevent (died 787) 4.1. Grimoald III, died 807, Duke of Benevent Stefan Hoellriegl

Hi RAMEY researchers Are there any RAMEYs out there with Grant County, KY connections? If so, I would appreciate hearing from you. Welcome back you funny women, we missed you, Doris Haff [email protected] Researching these surnames: Readnour, Ramey, New, Coon, Henzler, Jump and others See my family tree at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/5170/gnealogy.htm

Jim, I am also a terrible speller. I had to look up the spelling of the word Emperor before I teased you about it. That is the truth. I bought an electronic speller. It is great and I use it every day. A couple of years ago, I broke my right arm and the hand will not bend backwards now. It is so stiff, I keep hitting the wrong keys on the keyboard and have to go back and correct all the time. I did receive a personal message from someone on the list scolding me for correcting your spelling. It was all in fun, I hope you know that. Lois Arthur- ---------ORIGINAL MESSAGE-----------: : I'll be the first to admit that I am a bad speller. : : Jim Miller : :