Dear Cousin Mary Ellen & All......... It has been questioned as to who was the husband or husbands of Sarah (Salley) Rainwater or could it be Sarah Jane Rainwater, daughter of JohnxSusannah Rainwater?? REASONS FOR SALLEY RAINWATER & JOHN DAVID NEBUHR John David NEBUHR received a land grant 25th September 1795 of 338 acres. Surveyed for him the 24th day of Sep. 1795. Situate in Ninety-six District on a small branch of Jimmies Creek of Tiger River bounded by lines running SE by Richard Youngs and Stephen Wilsons Land. N (by Jonathan Sinard(sic). NE Unknown, etc., etc. (I have a copy of the original land grant and of the Plat) Brent Holcomb records in his book "Spartanburg S. C. Minutes of Co. Court 1785-1799" that a Deed of Conveyance was made to John David Nebuhr from Edward Hooker & wife. It was acknowledged in open Court and ordered to record. In the 1800 census of SC indexed by Vern Jackson there is listed: Nebuhr, John D...Charleston Co. S.C. page 146 00010-00001-00. 1 male 26-45 and 1 female over 45. No children are listed. Perhaps he was married to Salley, perhaps not at this time. Book by Brent H. Holcomb GRS titled, "Probate Reocrds of S.C. Vo. 2" Letters of Administration with the Will Annexed Vol K 1778-1821 Charleston District Probate Page 306: John-David Nebuhr of Charleston, Shop-keeper, admr. with the will annexed of Thomas Curling, late of Charleston, mariner, who appointed the Commissioners of the Orphan House to be his EXRS., who as a Body Corporate cannot act as such, 21 Dec 180l. Sureties: John-Frederick Kern, Merchant, and Nicholas Miller, Baker, both of Charleston. Admr. sworn. Value estate not exceding L 327. Sureties justified. Probate Page 359: Mr. George Curling, of Charleston, Ship-wright, admr. with the will annexed of Thomas Curling, late of Charleston, Mariner, who appointed the Commissioners of the Orphan House Exrs., who as a Body Corporate cannot act as such, and John David Nubular was appointed admr. with the will annexed, who is now also dead, 11 Sept 1807. Sureties: Benjamin Brown Johnson and Edward Shrewsbury, both of Charleston, Ship-wrights. Admor sworn. Value estate not exceeding L233. Sureties justified. (Note: The above shows John David Nebuhr dead by 11 Sep 1807) Taken from a book with abstracts from the JOURNAL OF THE ORDINARY 1807-1810 In the Court of the Ordinary on July 22, 1807 a Citation was issued to Salley Nebur on the Estate of John David Nebur dec'd, which she was to return on the 28th. On July 29, 1807 it is recorded that Salley Nebur returned her citation but could not give security for Letters of admn. John Rainwater was then granted a citation on the Estate of John David Nebur decd to return on Monday 3rd of July (I believe it should have read August 1807. On August 3, 1807 Letters of admn. were granted to John Rainwater on the estate of John Nebur. On August 8, 1807 John Rainwater turned in an appraisement of part of the personal estate of John David Nebur decd which amounted to $2408 exclusive of debts. Nov. 3rd 1807 John Rainwater returned a schedule of the book accts and notes due the said decd estate. Feb. 13, 1810 John Rainwater as admr. of the estate of Jno D. Neabour made a return $1196.9.8. Jan. 1811 John Rainwater made a return and requested maintenance of John D. Nebhur Junior son of sd. decd. Jan. 6th 1812 and Mar 1813, John Rainwater again made returns on the estate of John Nebuhr decd. In the book, "Spartanburg County/District South Carolina" Deed Abstracts Books A-T, 1785-1827 (1752-1827) by Albert Bruce Pruitt. In Book T, p. 77 on Mar., 1825 John Rainwaters (Spartanburgh) for love and affection gave to his grandson, John D. Nebughr a sorrel mare about 6 years old. This was witnessed by John Brooks. Signed with John Rainwater' mark. Wit. oath May 23, 1825 John Brooks to W Hunt and recorded May 24, 1825. (Note: This could be for his grandson's 21st birthday) On Mar 3, 1828 John D. Nebughr of Spartanburg Dist sold for $100, 50 acres of land known by the name of Flint Hill, land originally owned by his father. It was bounded by John Hughe and Andrew Barry NE, Mallec Eskridge and Enoch Underwood W and SW, Miller NW. Witnessed by Saml Pearson and Matthias Rush. Signed by John D. Nebughr and Witness oath made 5 May 1828 Samuel Pearson to E. Bomar. Deed was recorded 5 May 1818 in Book U, P. 88-9. The 1830 S. C. Census lists John D. Nebuhr, page 302 Spartanburg, Spartanburg County: John D. Nebuhr males 2 under 5, 1 age 20-30 female l under 5, 1 age 15-20, 1 age 20-30 slaves 1 male, 1 female each age 10-24 Total of 8 The two males under 5 were: John A. bd 10 Dec. 1827 James b. ca 1829. The male 20-30 John D. Nebuhr (age about 26) The female under 5 (don't know) The female 15-20 (dont't know) The female 20-30 probably his wife, Eliza (?) Son: Simpson was born abt 1831 daughter, Sarah was born about 1836 Listed on the same page, next to him was William Bomar Senr. and in the same vicinity the names, Edward Bomar, Vincent Wyatt Between 1830 and 1840/41 the family moved to Benton Co., TN In the State Archives, Nashville, TN I found a printed record of County Court minutes of Benton Co., TN, Book 2, 1842-1851 as follows: (P-3) July Term 1842 Personally appeared in open court James K. Nance Guardian of John A.; James Simpson and Sarah Niber, Minor heirs of John D. Niber, Deceased and together with James Presson and Thomas Jones his securities and entered into acknowledged their bond in the sum of one thousand dollars conditioned as the law direccts for the faithful performance of said Guardian. Reel 59, Miscellaneous Records, Benton Co. TN - I have copied the microfilm and typed up the information on the Settlement of the Estate of John D. Neeber, dec'd. James K. Nance, as guardian of the children had to report every year to the court how the money was being spent, etc. An estate of $575.00 was devided up equally among the children. He had to report until each child reached the age of 21 or as in the case of Sarah, they married (her balance was turned over to her husband, Aug. 2, 1852). On May 9th 1854, James Nance made a final settlement on the remaining Neber-- Simpson. (Note: Various spellings of Nebughr/Neber/Neabor/Nabor/Neighbor/Niber/Neeber are used in documents I found. Nebughr and Neber have prevailed.) My thoughts: John D. Nebuhr Sr. to have died by July 22, 1807. John D. Nebuhr Jr. probably born 1804 if he turned 21 in 1825 and was probably only son of John D. Nebuhr Sr. and he is a grandson of JohnxSusannah Rainwater. Salley possibly married again, long before her father's death. Some think John Fortenberry and some Silmon. I am decended from Simpson Neber and Mary McGill. See chart following. ============================================================ Name (Birth/Chr.-Death/Burial) Birth/Chr. Place -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1-- John David NEBUR/NEBUGHR [Sr.]-345 ( -1807) sp-Salley RAINWATER-346 ( - ) 2-- John David NEBER OR NEBUGHR [Jr]-203 (1804-1841) Spartanburg,Spartanburg,SC sp-Eliza-341 ( -1852) 3-- John A NEBER/NEBUGHR-342 (1827-1876) Spartanburg,SC sp-Eliza P. Catharine RUSHING-371 (1829-1890) ,TN 4-- John D NEBUGHR-375 (1850- ) ,TN 4-- Mary L NEBUGHR-376 (1853- ) ,TN 4-- Jemima Elizabeth NEBUGHR-377 (1855- ) ,Benton Co.,TN 4-- Sarah (Sally) Ann NEBUGHR-378 (1857-1882) ,Benton Co.,TN 4-- Lucinda Isabelle "Belle" NEBUGHR-379 (1860- ) ,Benton Co.,TN sp-Joseph Eugene BETTS-385 (1855-1900) ,Gibson Co.,TN 4-- James B. Franklin NEBER-380 (1863-1887) ,Benton Co.,TN 4-- Robert Logan NEBUGHR-381 (1865-1918) Makanda,Jackson Co.,IL 4-- William N. NEBER-382 (1869-1888) Makanda,Jackson Co.,IL 4-- Drusilla NEBUGHR-383 (1872-1890) Makanda,Jackson Co.,IL 4-- Martha Lavinia "Vina" NEBUGHR-384 (1876-1932) Makanda,Jackson Co.,IL 3-- James NEBER-343 (1829-1863) Spartanburg,SC sp-Mary Caroline RUSHING-369 (1835-1907) ,Benton,TN 4-- Burwell Neuton NEBER (1853-1932) Paris,, TN sp-Nancy Ann ALLMAN (1852-1929) Paris,,TN 4--Arbell Eliza R NEBER (1856-1888) TN sp-Calvin M. ESCUE (1857- ) IL 4--Mary Elizabeth NEBUGHR (1859- ) TN sp-James P. FLY 3-- Simpson NEBER-142 (1831-1864) Spartenberg,SC sp-Mary MCGILL-143 (1838-1916) of Benton County,Tennessee 4-- Millie C. Arabelle "Belle" NEBER-88 (1857-1939) Camden,Benton Co.,TN sp-Daniel NORRIX-87 (1854-1906) ,Union Co.,IL 5-- Charles Oliver NORRIX-82 (1880-1914) Cobden,Union Co.,IL sp-Melissa Annette "Nettie" BROWN-83 (1884-1972) Creal Spgs.,Williamson,IL 6-- Curtis Anderson NORRIX-84 (1904-1984) Mounds,Pulaski Co.,IL sp-Ava Marie MANHART-93 (1902-1986) Newton,Jasper Co.,IL 6-- Edwin Guy NORRIX-85 (1906-1961) Mounds,Pulaski Co.,IL sp-Georgia Geraldine VAUGHN-102 (1919-1998) Mt. Vernon,Jefferson,IL 6-- Edith Mildred NORRIX-11 (1908-1996) Centralia,Marion,IL sp-Frederick Albert Arthur KELLICK-12 (1908-1953) McArthur,Desha,AR ME...............:) 7-- Betty Laverne KELLICK-1 St. Louis,MO 6-- Rosalie Lillian NORRIX-86 (1912- ) Centralia,Marion Co.,IL 5-- Sofrona E. NORRIX-89 (1881-1920) ,Union Co.,IL 5-- Anna Marie NORRIX-90 (1883-1957) Anna,Union Co.,IL sp-Stanley Anderson KING-359 (1879-1946) Golconda,Pope,IL 6-- Ernest L KING-360 (1905-1929) Cairo,Alexander,IL 6-- Raymond Walton KING-361 (1907- ) Paducah,McCracken,KY sp-Letha LAIRMORE-364 ( - ) 6-- Kenneth K KING-362 (1909-1975) Springfield,Sangamon,IL sp-Margaret SAXON-365 ( - ) 6-- Clarence Leroy KING-363 (1911-1990) Cairo,Alexander,IL sp-Dorothy Cecilia LEGGE-366 ( - ) 5-- George Burton NORRIX [Rev.]-91 (1884-1957) Cobden,Union Co.,IL 6--George Elbert NORRIX (1905-1970) Union Co., IL sp-Thelma ELKINS (1907-1983) 6--Unknown Child 6--Daniel Lee NORRIX (1907-1970) Cobden, Union Co., IL sp-Ruth Mildred Adaline DILDAY (1913- ) Willisville, Perry Co., IL sp-Danola HALL (1926- ) Fleming, Lecher Co., KY 6-- Otis Edgar NORRIX- (1909-1993) Lick Creek, Union Co., IL sp-Ethel Fern LOWRY-(1909-1991) Dahlgren, Hamilton Co., IL 5-- Rosa Jane NORRIX-92 (1886-1953) Anna,Union Co.,IL sp-Thomas Edward KING-356 (1882- ) Golconda,Pope,IL 6-- Oscar Edward KING-358 (1904-1967) Cairo,Alexander,IL sp-Elizabeth (Betty) Berryhill (1912-1994) Creek, Mounds Co., OK 6--Lewis Clifford KING (aka:Carl ANDERSON) (1912-1972) Centralia, Marion Co., IL sp-Vera McNUTT ( 1913- ) Athens, Athens Co., OH sp- Gladys Helen SCOTT sp-Charles Y NORRIX-399 (1871-1945) Saratoga Pct.,Union County,Illinois 4-- Martha E S NEBER-144 (1861-1934) ,Benton Co,TN sp-Lycurgus KNIGHT-149 (1854-1922) ,TN 5-- Simpson E KNIGHT-150 (1883-1936) RR Makanda,Union Co,IL 5-- Mary A KNIGHT-151 (1885- ) ,IL 5-- James Henry KNIGHT-152 (1888-1947) ,Union Co,IL sp-Naomi MANNING-401 (1885-1969) 5-- Lydia B KNIGHT-153 (1892- ) ,Union Co,IL 5-- Ida M KNIGHT-154 (1895- ) ,Union Co,IL sp-Almus M. COLLIER-397 ( - ) 5-- Beatrice KNIGHT-155 (1902- ) ,Union Co,IL 4-- Louisa Q NEBER-145 (1863- ) ,Jackson Co,IL sp-Elisha P BOWLBY-367 (1847- ) Ohio 3-- Sarah NEBER-344 (1836- ) Spartanburgh,Spartanburgh,SC sp-James J TURNER-368 ( - ) Hope this helps add to your Rainwater Information. Betty L. Capps