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This entry of Virgin Virginia Adeline (Sizemore) Rainwater is the wife of William James Rainwater, son of Elkaney L. and Mary Matilda (Burrow)Rainwater. They had 2 children; John Henry bn 2 Mar 1878 and Mary Jane bn 13 Aug 1881.Wm died 7 Jan 1882. John H. md 9 Dec 1896 to Willie B "Mollie"Adkins and they had 4 children. Mary Jane md 27 Jan 1898 to William Martain Roberts;they had 2 children. Mary Jane died 27 Oct 1904 and Virginia raised the 2 children. She applied for a band # under the Sizemore name which was Indian-in order to help her raise the children. However, her claim was rejected as was John's when he applied.(Some information can be found in "Cherokee By Blood"-records of Eastern Cherokee Ancestry in the U.S.Court of Claims-1906-1910;Vol 1by Jerry Wright Jordan-pub by Heritage Books. Claim #417-pgs 127-181) Glidie ---------- > From: MJPurc@aol.com > To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RAINWATER-L] Cherokee Rolls > Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 2:04 PM > > >From the US GENWEB - PROJECT HOME PAGE, Stewart County, Tennessee, there is a > link to the Eastern Cherokee Roll for 1909, the "Guion Miller Roll". Listed > on this roll is John H. Rainwater, Alabama, #17316; and Virgin V. Rainwater, > Alabama, #14464. Jane Purcell. > > > ==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== > Tell your cousins about our RAINWATER family > here on RootsWeb. To subscribe, send SUBSCRIBE to: > Rainwater-L-Request@rootsweb.com

>From the US GENWEB - PROJECT HOME PAGE, Stewart County, Tennessee, there is a link to the Eastern Cherokee Roll for 1909, the "Guion Miller Roll". Listed on this roll is John H. Rainwater, Alabama, #17316; and Virgin V. Rainwater, Alabama, #14464. Jane Purcell.

This information forwarded from Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter Issue Vol. 4 No. 3 - January 16, 1999 The Denver Public Library has opened one of the nation's largest digital photo displays. The library offers Internet access to 50,000 photographs, some dating back to the 19th century, from its Western History/Genealogy department. The collection includes photos of the 10th Mountain Division ski troops, Native American pioneers, early railroads, mining, and other images. All the pictures can be viewed online at no charge. Those who want high quality 8x10 reproductions of any photo can purchase them for $14. To reach the Denver Public Library's online collection, go to: http://gowest.coalliance.org or http://www.denver.lib.com

Original Sender apil@mindspring.com Forwarded from: SCSPARTA-L@rootsweb.com For all of you out there who do not know, the Piedmont Historical Society in Spartanburg covers the upstate of SC. Countied included are: Abbeville, Anderson, Cherokee, Chester, Greenville, Greenwood, Laurens, McCormick, Newberry, Oconee, Pickens, Spartanburg, Union, and York. These counties were the 96 District before counties were formed (or Indian terr.) The society publishes a quarterly newsletter and meets once a month at the Spartanburg County Library. Dues are $20.00 per year. Information on the society can be found at www.angelfire.com/sc/piedmonths/. Piedmont Historical Society P.O. Box 8096 Spartanburg, SC 29305-8096 e-mail fbjrgphs@spartanburg.net fax: 864-585-0308

I do not think this made the list. Forwarding to all. Bob Schimmel ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: "Susan Chance-Rainwater" <scr@ncc.com> To: "schimmel@northlink.com" <schimmel@northlink.com> Date sent: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:50:03 -0600 Send reply to: "Susan Chance-Rainwater" <scr@ncc.com> Priority: Normal Subject: Re: [RAINWATER-L] Obituary Nashville Tennessean Jan 19, 1999 "Margaret Alliene Rainwater, 76, 750 Knights Campground Road, Shelbyville, Tenn, a retired technician at National Pen Corp, died yesterday, Glen Oaks Convalescent Center. Cause not disclosed. Services 3 p.m. tomorrow, Gowen-Smith Funeral Home. Survivors: husband, Charlie Rainwater, daughter, Mary Reed, Shelbyville, son Ray Vandagriff, Shelbyville; four grandchildren; a great-grandchild.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BC6BFC0A10FA2B22E6F53DB2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, My great grandfather was James Alston Rainwater. I have seen his middle name written several ways. My information came from my uncle, James T. Kent, James Alston's grandson, who knew his grandfather well as they lived in the same block in DeQuincy, LA for many years. Margaret Moore posted a copy of the inscription on his tombstone on Jan. 4, 1999 to this site and said James Alleson Rainwater, 11 Jan 1852 21 Feb 1947. I have also seen it written Allison. I have enjoyed all of the information that has been posted on the Rainwaters. Kay --------------BC6BFC0A10FA2B22E6F53DB2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail1.bellsouth.net (mail1.bellsouth.net [205.152.0.6]) by mail1.lig.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28815; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:00:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by mail1.bellsouth.net (8.8.8-spamdog/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA08691; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 18:01:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA26597; Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:00:09 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 15:00:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901172300.QAA25678@ns1.castlenet.com> From: "grm" <grm@castlenet.com> Old-To: "Rainwater" <Rainwater-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 16:03:36 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [RAINWATER-L] Re:James A. Resent-Message-ID: <"MebZQ.A.QfG.4tmo2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/119 X-Loop: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: RAINWATER-L-request@rootsweb.com Hi Susan, For one thing his middle name is Anderson not Allison. James Allison R. was the son of Green Rainwater ;bn 11 Jan 1850 (Wn Co.,Ala) and died 21 Feb 1947 in Oretta,Beauregard,La.James Anderson was bn 1837 in Marietta,Cobb,Ga and died in 1877 in Morrilton,Conway,Ark, where his boys were living. Loid had 3 children; Loid,Jr-died age 5 1/2 Katherine Dowdle R-md Thomas D.Humphreys,Jr-one son Thomas H.Humphreys. Allen R.-md Annie ? H.Cloud R. had one son Cloudy Night R. bn Sep 1894-lived Muscogee,Okla. James Wood had 2 children; Cherry Olive md Ralph Farris of Conway,Ark. Warren-md Margaret ? Effie T. md R.E Echols (he died 1913-age 49) They had 3 childre; Ned; Marjorie; Edith Have we found anyone who descends from James A. yet? Glidie ==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== Complaints/suggestions to listowner: schimmel@northlink.com --------------BC6BFC0A10FA2B22E6F53DB2--

I am looking for information on Mary Rainwaters who was married to John Jordan. I have a copy of a marriage document from Morgan Co., Ala. which states they were married 13Dec1837. According to the 1850 census she was born about 1822. My grandfather stated that his grandmother's maiden name was Tilda Rainwaters and that she was an orphan. One census lists her as Mary M., leading me to think her name may have been Mary Matilda. Was wondering if anyone might have something about her? David L. Hoffpauir

Hi Paula, As I said before, I found this information by accident. It's under Thomas Farrow,et al vs Solomon Smith. I was collecting as many Bobo records as I could find. I have a packet ready to be mailed tomorrow to you. Surely she would believe the printed document? Glidie

Hi Paula, Since we know Nancy Miles was not Miles' wife-but Nancy Edwards is- which Nancy is Sarah Delgado talking about when she gives the birth and death information in her book? I'm assuming its Nancy Miles and not Nancy Edwards but supposedly as researchers we aren't supposed to "assume" anything. Just a thought. Glidie

Does anyone know whether Sandy Patterson is still alive and active in genealogy? She was very helpful to me in the Rainwater area a dozen years ago, but letters to her this year are not answered (and not returned). Joseph B. Lambert Joseph B. Lambert Department of Chemistry Northwestern University 2145 Sheridan Road Evanston, IL 60208-3113 Telephone 847-491-5437 Fax 847-491-7713 E-mail lambert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu or jlambert@nwu.edu Webpage http://www.chem.nwu.edu/~lambert/ (best with Netscape 3.0 or higher)

Hi All My husbands line is Rainwater that is why I am on this group. so time I print letters I think he may be interested in for him. He ask me to answer one from Don Pruitt, here it is. Hello Don Re: the Folmer Charts - about 25 years ago I received the chart from a Rainwater in (I believe Dandridge Tenn. ) I have since forgotten his name it could have been Charles, he was about 86 at the time. The chart was about 2ft by 3ft. I am the one who sent Terrell Rainwater a copy he then added his line to the chart, that was in 1976. After studing the chart for more than 20 yrs I have come to the conclusion that some of it is correct but most was only guess work. I agree with Bob that Robert Rainwater was an adult in 1706, he might have been 20 to 30 yrs old, making him born ab 1676 to 1686. No one knows for sure when the lst John was born so if Robert got married ab 1706 John born 1707 was very possible. I do not think there has been much if any research done in the Hogan Creek area, if so I have not heard of it. My people came from the Mt Airy area N.C to Tenn then AR to MO to OR then to Washington. Gold is where you find it. If I were you I would go for it. Good Luck & Happy Hunting Lyle James Rainwater Please keep me informed Note from Me (Barjrain) The information in the LDS Ancestral file is incorrect on my husbands line. He shared some info with someone who was doing a booklet for a family reunion and there was a missing link beyond James b May 1, 1811 and the person changed birthdates so James could be connected back to John and Mary Fussell Lyle has the family bible of John Kiefer Rainwater and we have information from the cemetery (We were there) in Dayton Washington, where James was buried. Also don't give up on Robert Albert he had a death in the family and hasn't been very active in research lately. I hope I did this right so that everone can read it I haven't done this before.

All I have on the Fortenberry's is: 1870 Census Cherokee Co.,Ala (William is deceased after 1850 census) (GS#0545506-dwelling 5) Mary Fortenberry age 39 bn SC Edna Fortenberry age 18 ?bn Ala Lydia Rainwater age 90 bn Va Mary Rainwater age 22 bn Ga 1880 Cherokee Co.,Ala Noah Fortenberry age 31 Mary "age 6 dau Theresa age 24 wife Mary (Rainwater?)age 51 Mother Lidia Rainwater age 97 grandmother Susan Low age 19(step-dau of Wilkes) 1850 Census Cherokee Co.,Ala We believe William and Lydia had daughters Mary age 19 who is shown with her husband Cornelius Fortenberry age 28 and son Noah age 2 Also Sara age 27 shown as husband of Absolom Fortenberry age 37 with Ruben age 3; Lydia age 2 and Mary age 8/12. That's really all I have at this time as I not really focused on Fortenberry research.Hope it helps some. Glidie

I obtained a copy of Folmar's Chart before he died. His treatment of Miles Rainwater is way off base. I tried to get it corrected, but his attitude was "this chart represents my best judgment of these lines." There is no reason not to hypothesize about lines, even in print, but be sure to put question marks so other people will know that it is an unproved suggestion, nothing more. Joseph B. Lambert At 05:47 PM 1/18/99 -0700, grm wrote: >I've noticed several of you refer to "Folmar's Chart" and Webber's book >and using the information in them to prove something. There are a lot of >mistakes in both of them and should be used as a guideline only!!!. If your >line ties into someone in Webber's book- prove the information yourself. >Folmar had so many children with the wrong parents. He did the work >himself and if he liked the information and it fit what he was working on, >that's where it went. He lived in Austin, Tex when he was doing his >research, >and he was already deceased when I called him to give him some information; >So I spoke to his widow and she wasn't interested, even though it was her >line. Just because something is written in a family book doesn't mean it's >gospel. It's only as good as the amount of research and documentation >that goes into it. >Again, I hope I don't make anyone mad, but I taught genealogy for 5 years, >and I stressed documentation. Good Luck. >Glidie > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >A Rainwater family database is being compiled. Also, >several list members specialize in certain States and >Counties. Need help/information? Ask for assistance. > Joseph B. Lambert Department of Chemistry Northwestern University 2145 Sheridan Road Evanston, IL 60208-3113 Telephone 847-491-5437 Fax 847-491-7713 E-mail lambert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu or jlambert@nwu.edu Webpage http://www.chem.nwu.edu/~lambert/ (best with Netscape 3.0 or higher)

I've noticed several of you refer to "Folmar's Chart" and Webber's book and using the information in them to prove something. There are a lot of mistakes in both of them and should be used as a guideline only!!!. If your line ties into someone in Webber's book- prove the information yourself. Folmar had so many children with the wrong parents. He did the work himself and if he liked the information and it fit what he was working on, that's where it went. He lived in Austin, Tex when he was doing his research, and he was already deceased when I called him to give him some information; So I spoke to his widow and she wasn't interested, even though it was her line. Just because something is written in a family book doesn't mean it's gospel. It's only as good as the amount of research and documentation that goes into it. Again, I hope I don't make anyone mad, but I taught genealogy for 5 years, and I stressed documentation. Good Luck. Glidie

Hi Ina, I suppose eventually they all track back to SC. Elias was the son of Benjamin and Sarah (Williams) Rainwater out of Spartanburg Co.SC. James A.was the son of Pinkney Ferron and Sarah A.(Eskew) Rainwater. Pinkney F. was a son of Job and Didama (Hembree)Rainwater out of Anderson Co.,SC. Job was the son on Solomon and Ruth (Felton) Rainwater-of Anderson Co.,SC . He formerly lived in Spartanburg Dist.,SC. All this was originally Old 96 district. As for the John E. Rainwater /Eliza in Conway Co., from SC-I haven't placed him either. One way to find out. The Methodist church had a statewide newsletter that gave all the vital records within the Methodist church during the year. I'm not sure where they're kept, but here are a couple of addresses for you to check out if you'd like. SC Methodist Conference Archives Sandor Teszler Library Wofford College 429 N.Church St Spartanburg,SC 29301-3663 phone (864)597-4300 fax-(864)597-4329 Memphis Conference United Methodist Archives Luther L.Gobbel Library Lambuth College 705 Lambuth Blvd. Jackson,Tn 38301 phone (901)425-2500 fax (901)4253200 Anytime a minister got a new posting, it was announced in this newsletter. I don't have anything about him in my records.(yet) Glidie

If you trace your Rainwater line back to the Solomon and Ruth Felton Rainwater issues, then you might want to consider a book published in 1983 by Eloise Groover Lovell who lived in Hermitage, TN which she titled the "RICHARD PHILLIPS FAMILY". This book is in many large libraries and archives. Richard and Delilah moved first to Gwinnett Co, GA and eventually to Forsyth Co, GA and he founded Haw Creek Baptist Church in 1841. It is still active but stands in danger of being swallowed by the Atlanta monolithic gulp. This book lists many associated families such as Echols, Major, Edmondson. Indeed, Junior Samples of "Hee Haw" fame was a decendant of Solomon Rainwater. Bet none of you folks knew that huh??? Just thought you might like to know about that book. As I have told Glidie, my wife and I both trace ancestry back to Rainwater, she thru James and me thru John, Jr. Mrs Lovell is now desceased but the book is a well researched effort. Keep up the searchin' !!!! Don Pruitt

Hello everyone, Was there someone a while back who was looking for info on Marvin Rainwater the rockabilly/country singer? If I don't have the info, I know where to get it. Russ Groover groovy75@aol.com

Don Wilson, I have to add the last name so you'll know who I'm talking to. Do you have a copy of the Swann Bible record? Glidie

Hi Susan, Just a short note. Green Rainwater was a son of Jesse and Mary (Maadora( Rainwater from Washington Co, Ala. Jesse and his brother moved to Ala while it was still Ms Territory.(bef 1817) from Chesterfield Co.,SC. They had land grants there in 1800. Jesse says he was bn NC. I'm finding so many older Rainwater's bn NC I'm beginning to wonder. I know what you mean about some of these names. Maybe they ran out of ideas to name them, so they named them whatever popped in their heads. What is your husbands line?Maybe I have something on it. Glidie