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> Subject: Re: [RAINWATER-L] Zebulon Miles Rainwater > Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 7:28 PM > > Hi Dan, > I just pulled my file on Zebulon Miles R. to check the information.This > is from "The Ga. Black Book-Morbid,Macabre and Sometimes Disgusting > Records of Genealofical Value" by Robert Scott Albert,Jr. (?) Also in the > same book is "Names from central register of convicts 1817-1868." > On page 158 # 43-it states "In Campbell Co on 8 Dec last,Zebulon Miles > Rainwater was murdered by Benjamin F. Rainwater.Issued 14 Jan 1858." > On the back of this page I've made a notation "Governors Proclamation > book 1854-1869".On Page 180-"Names and Aliases-Zebulon Rainwater, > #1975-entered prison 19 Feb 1864. Convicted in Campbell Co.,Ga" > > Could Benjamin have taken the name of Zebulon when he entered prison? > > I re-checked the copy of the will and your're right-It was written 10 Jan > 1865 and admitted for probate Oct Term of Probate court. (2Oct 1871), > However, on the 1860 census Zebulon's widow-and it states widow-is > in the household of Rev James and his new wife Nancy A. (?) Dobbs, > with her 2 children from a previous marriage. I can list them for you if > you'd like. (Campbell Co.,Ga-pg 57 (243) Fam # 413-GS#0803113) > Glidie > > > > ---------- > > From: Dan Bruce <dwbrucejr@mindspring.com> > > To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [RAINWATER-L] Zebulon Miles Rainwater > > Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 6:06 PM > > > > Gildie, > > > > Thank you for the info on the two Zebulons, which can be as confusing as > > the two James (blacksmith and preacher). > > > > The Blacksmith was my ggggrandfather, so I have a fair amount of info on > > his Zebulon, although I haven't found anything on his middle name. The > info > > you have on this Zebulon is accurate. > > > > As far as Ben is concerned, Benjamin F. was dead in 1857 at age 19 or 20 > > and single at that time. Since this was 5 years prior to the date of 10 > Jan > > 1863, I think it's reasonable that the Preacher would not mention his > > youngest son in his will. > > > > The issue seems to be Zebulon Miles's date of death. Since the Georgia > > State Pen records that ZM entered through their gates on 19 Feb 1864, I > > come to two possible conclusions: > > > > 1. As far as James the Preacher was concerned when he wrote his will on > 10 > > Jan 1863, his son, Z.M. was dead. Z.M. was convicted of killing the > > Preacher's youngest son, and there is a time period of 6 years between > the > > death of Benjamin and Z.M. entering the state prison, and I haven't seen > > any documentation on where Z.M. was during this time. I'm sure "life in > > prison" was not a popular sentence for murder at that time, and I > wouldn't > > be surprised if there was no communication between Z.M. and his family > > after his conviction. I do believe that Z.M was deceased prior to his > > father's death. Could it be that James the Preacher wrote his will in > 1865 > > instead of 1863? > > > > 2. The date of the prison record is wrong. I tend to believe this is a > less > > likely scenario. Sentences were handed out in terms of time, so one would > > think that keeping accurate records of when convicts came into the > prison, > > what their sentences were, and when they left prison was fairly > important. > > > > In either case, Z.M. probably received a death sentence which was carried > > out in the Georgia State Prison. Documentation does show that Ben F. was > > murdered, Zebulon Miles was arrested for the crime, and sent to the > Georgia > > State Prison. I haven't tried to look for possible trial transcripts, but > > that would probably be an interesting dig, and would possibly shed some > > light on this Rainwater family tragedy. > > > > Dan Bruce > > > > At 12:26 PM 4/5/99 -0600, grm wrote: > > >Hi Dan, > > >Rev James' will dated 10 Jan 1863-proved 15 Dec 1871 clearly states > > >his son Zebulon Miles was deceased. (Ga Will Book B-pg 58-FHC# > > >0499880) and leaves a bequest for his widow and 5 children.He does > > >not mention his son Benjamin F. at all.Another researcher who is a > > >descendant of James the blacksmith states that the Zebulon who md > > >Rhoda Eskew was named Zebulon Joseph R-not Zebulon Miles.He > > >moved to Ark via Decatur Co.,Tn.He was bn 25 Feb 1823 inSpartanburg, > > >SC. He died 20 Jan 1889 in Ark.( I made a mistake, Kay, in the message > > >I just sent you about his middle name being Miles) > > >Glidie > > >---------- > > >> From: Dan Bruce <dwbrucejr@mindspring.com> > > >> To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com > > >> Subject: Re: [RAINWATER-L] Zebulon Miles Rainwater > > >> Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 10:38 AM > > >> > > >> MCar1310@aol.com indicates in a response to the attached note that > > >Zebulon > > >> Miles died about 1857, which other documentation seems to contradict, > and > > >> MCar1310 does mention some of the other documentation in the response. > > >> > > >> Documentation I have read shows that Benjamin F., youngest son of the > > >> Preacher, was killed on 12/8/1857. The Preacher's oldest son, Zebulon > > >> Miles, was accused of murdering Benjamin F. in an executive order > dated > > >> 1/14/1858 and Zebulon Miles Rainwater, convict#1975, entered the > Georgia > > >> State Prison on 2/19/1864 for murder. James(the Preacher) Rainwater > died > > >> around 6/22/1871, and although I don't recall if he indicates in his > will > > >> that Zebulon Miles was deceased, he clearly omits Zebulon Miles and > > >refers > > >> to Lilla Ann as parent to Zebulon Miles's children. My records have > > >always > > >> kept Zebulon Miles's date of death open. > > >> > > >> Dan Bruce > > >> > > >> At 08:16 AM 4/5/99 -0700, kay ohana wrote: > > >> >I was reading in this book several weeks ago and copied the statement > as > > >> >thus: > > >> > > > >> >>From The Georgia Black Book, The Rev. Silas Emmett Lucas, Jr.: > > >> >Governor’s Proclamation Book 1854-1869; In Campbell Co. GA on 8 > December > > >> >last Zebulon Miles Rainwater was murdered by Benj. F. Rainwater, > Issued > > >> >14 January 1858. > > >> > > > >> >Then on 19 Feb. 1864 Zebulon Rainwater from Campbell County was > > >> >incarcerated. (Note: Don’t know what for. Was this Zebulon Junior by > any > > >> >chance?) > > >> > > > >> >One of us is mixed up or we read difference parts of the book. Here > it > > >> >appears that Benj murdered Zebulon Miles on Dec 8, 1857. I went back > to > > >> >the FHC to reread this portion of the book, and it is missing from > the > > >> >library! Since Zebulon Miles nor Benj. F. are of my direct line I am > not > > >> >going to research it further, however, someone should try to find the > > >> >original documents for clarification. Sometimes published histories > do > > >> >not always get the facts straight. > > >> > > > >> >Kay from rainy and cold Northern CA. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== > > >> >To return to the list after being away on vacation, etc. just send > > >> >the one-word message SUBSCRIBE to: > > >> >rainwater-L-request@rootsweb.com. It's all automatic. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Dan > > >> > > >> > > >> ==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== > > >> Tell friends and cousins about our RAINWATER family. > > >> To get on the list, send one-word message SUBSCRIBE to: > > >> rainwater-L-request@rootsweb.com It's all automatic. > > > > > Dan > > > > > > ==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== > > This list is not for political discussions, seasonal greetings, jokes, > > and personal causes. Please keep messages oriented toward genealogy. > > Listowner can be reached at: schimmel@northlink.com

Gildie, Thank you for the info on the two Zebulons, which can be as confusing as the two James (blacksmith and preacher). The Blacksmith was my ggggrandfather, so I have a fair amount of info on his Zebulon, although I haven't found anything on his middle name. The info you have on this Zebulon is accurate. As far as Ben is concerned, Benjamin F. was dead in 1857 at age 19 or 20 and single at that time. Since this was 5 years prior to the date of 10 Jan 1863, I think it's reasonable that the Preacher would not mention his youngest son in his will. The issue seems to be Zebulon Miles's date of death. Since the Georgia State Pen records that ZM entered through their gates on 19 Feb 1864, I come to two possible conclusions: 1. As far as James the Preacher was concerned when he wrote his will on 10 Jan 1863, his son, Z.M. was dead. Z.M. was convicted of killing the Preacher's youngest son, and there is a time period of 6 years between the death of Benjamin and Z.M. entering the state prison, and I haven't seen any documentation on where Z.M. was during this time. I'm sure "life in prison" was not a popular sentence for murder at that time, and I wouldn't be surprised if there was no communication between Z.M. and his family after his conviction. I do believe that Z.M was deceased prior to his father's death. Could it be that James the Preacher wrote his will in 1865 instead of 1863? 2. The date of the prison record is wrong. I tend to believe this is a less likely scenario. Sentences were handed out in terms of time, so one would think that keeping accurate records of when convicts came into the prison, what their sentences were, and when they left prison was fairly important. In either case, Z.M. probably received a death sentence which was carried out in the Georgia State Prison. Documentation does show that Ben F. was murdered, Zebulon Miles was arrested for the crime, and sent to the Georgia State Prison. I haven't tried to look for possible trial transcripts, but that would probably be an interesting dig, and would possibly shed some light on this Rainwater family tragedy. Dan Bruce At 12:26 PM 4/5/99 -0600, grm wrote: >Hi Dan, >Rev James' will dated 10 Jan 1863-proved 15 Dec 1871 clearly states >his son Zebulon Miles was deceased. (Ga Will Book B-pg 58-FHC# >0499880) and leaves a bequest for his widow and 5 children.He does >not mention his son Benjamin F. at all.Another researcher who is a >descendant of James the blacksmith states that the Zebulon who md >Rhoda Eskew was named Zebulon Joseph R-not Zebulon Miles.He >moved to Ark via Decatur Co.,Tn.He was bn 25 Feb 1823 inSpartanburg, >SC. He died 20 Jan 1889 in Ark.( I made a mistake, Kay, in the message >I just sent you about his middle name being Miles) >Glidie >---------- >> From: Dan Bruce <dwbrucejr@mindspring.com> >> To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [RAINWATER-L] Zebulon Miles Rainwater >> Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 10:38 AM >> >> MCar1310@aol.com indicates in a response to the attached note that >Zebulon >> Miles died about 1857, which other documentation seems to contradict, and >> MCar1310 does mention some of the other documentation in the response. >> >> Documentation I have read shows that Benjamin F., youngest son of the >> Preacher, was killed on 12/8/1857. The Preacher's oldest son, Zebulon >> Miles, was accused of murdering Benjamin F. in an executive order dated >> 1/14/1858 and Zebulon Miles Rainwater, convict#1975, entered the Georgia >> State Prison on 2/19/1864 for murder. James(the Preacher) Rainwater died >> around 6/22/1871, and although I don't recall if he indicates in his will >> that Zebulon Miles was deceased, he clearly omits Zebulon Miles and >refers >> to Lilla Ann as parent to Zebulon Miles's children. My records have >always >> kept Zebulon Miles's date of death open. >> >> Dan Bruce >> >> At 08:16 AM 4/5/99 -0700, kay ohana wrote: >> >I was reading in this book several weeks ago and copied the statement as >> >thus: >> > >> >>From The Georgia Black Book, The Rev. Silas Emmett Lucas, Jr.: >> >Governor�s Proclamation Book 1854-1869; In Campbell Co. GA on 8 December >> >last Zebulon Miles Rainwater was murdered by Benj. F. Rainwater, Issued >> >14 January 1858. >> > >> >Then on 19 Feb. 1864 Zebulon Rainwater from Campbell County was >> >incarcerated. (Note: Don�t know what for. Was this Zebulon Junior by any >> >chance?) >> > >> >One of us is mixed up or we read difference parts of the book. Here it >> >appears that Benj murdered Zebulon Miles on Dec 8, 1857. I went back to >> >the FHC to reread this portion of the book, and it is missing from the >> >library! Since Zebulon Miles nor Benj. F. are of my direct line I am not >> >going to research it further, however, someone should try to find the >> >original documents for clarification. Sometimes published histories do >> >not always get the facts straight. >> > >> >Kay from rainy and cold Northern CA. >> > >> > >> >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >> >To return to the list after being away on vacation, etc. just send >> >the one-word message SUBSCRIBE to: >> >rainwater-L-request@rootsweb.com. It's all automatic. >> > >> > >> Dan >> >> >> ==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >> Tell friends and cousins about our RAINWATER family. >> To get on the list, send one-word message SUBSCRIBE to: >> rainwater-L-request@rootsweb.com It's all automatic. > Dan

Hi everyone, I have been trying to figure out from previous posts and my information who Alexander's father is? I have always assumed it was John Nelson Rainwater. He was born in NC. I know he married Barbara Emert/Emmett and they lived in Sevier Co., TN. Why canj't they be his parents? Couldn't they have married in NC? Or could he have been married once before Barbara? Alexander married Barbara's neice, daughter of her brother Daniel. This would make them first cousins. Anybody have any theories or answers? I still believe John and Barbara are his parents and someday maybe I will actually prove it. Thanks, Aldean

Hi Dan, Rev James' will dated 10 Jan 1863-proved 15 Dec 1871 clearly states his son Zebulon Miles was deceased. (Ga Will Book B-pg 58-FHC# 0499880) and leaves a bequest for his widow and 5 children.He does not mention his son Benjamin F. at all.Another researcher who is a descendant of James the blacksmith states that the Zebulon who md Rhoda Eskew was named Zebulon Joseph R-not Zebulon Miles.He moved to Ark via Decatur Co.,Tn.He was bn 25 Feb 1823 inSpartanburg, SC. He died 20 Jan 1889 in Ark.( I made a mistake, Kay, in the message I just sent you about his middle name being Miles) Glidie ---------- > From: Dan Bruce <dwbrucejr@mindspring.com> > To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RAINWATER-L] Zebulon Miles Rainwater > Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 10:38 AM > > MCar1310@aol.com indicates in a response to the attached note that Zebulon > Miles died about 1857, which other documentation seems to contradict, and > MCar1310 does mention some of the other documentation in the response. > > Documentation I have read shows that Benjamin F., youngest son of the > Preacher, was killed on 12/8/1857. The Preacher's oldest son, Zebulon > Miles, was accused of murdering Benjamin F. in an executive order dated > 1/14/1858 and Zebulon Miles Rainwater, convict#1975, entered the Georgia > State Prison on 2/19/1864 for murder. James(the Preacher) Rainwater died > around 6/22/1871, and although I don't recall if he indicates in his will > that Zebulon Miles was deceased, he clearly omits Zebulon Miles and refers > to Lilla Ann as parent to Zebulon Miles's children. My records have always > kept Zebulon Miles's date of death open. > > Dan Bruce > > At 08:16 AM 4/5/99 -0700, kay ohana wrote: > >I was reading in this book several weeks ago and copied the statement as > >thus: > > > >>From The Georgia Black Book, The Rev. Silas Emmett Lucas, Jr.: > >Governor’s Proclamation Book 1854-1869; In Campbell Co. GA on 8 December > >last Zebulon Miles Rainwater was murdered by Benj. F. Rainwater, Issued > >14 January 1858. > > > >Then on 19 Feb. 1864 Zebulon Rainwater from Campbell County was > >incarcerated. (Note: Don’t know what for. Was this Zebulon Junior by any > >chance?) > > > >One of us is mixed up or we read difference parts of the book. Here it > >appears that Benj murdered Zebulon Miles on Dec 8, 1857. I went back to > >the FHC to reread this portion of the book, and it is missing from the > >library! Since Zebulon Miles nor Benj. F. are of my direct line I am not > >going to research it further, however, someone should try to find the > >original documents for clarification. Sometimes published histories do > >not always get the facts straight. > > > >Kay from rainy and cold Northern CA. > > > > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== > >To return to the list after being away on vacation, etc. just send > >the one-word message SUBSCRIBE to: > >rainwater-L-request@rootsweb.com. It's all automatic. > > > > > Dan > > > ==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== > Tell friends and cousins about our RAINWATER family. > To get on the list, send one-word message SUBSCRIBE to: > rainwater-L-request@rootsweb.com It's all automatic.

MCar1310@aol.com indicates in a response to the attached note that Zebulon Miles died about 1857, which other documentation seems to contradict, and MCar1310 does mention some of the other documentation in the response. Documentation I have read shows that Benjamin F., youngest son of the Preacher, was killed on 12/8/1857. The Preacher's oldest son, Zebulon Miles, was accused of murdering Benjamin F. in an executive order dated 1/14/1858 and Zebulon Miles Rainwater, convict#1975, entered the Georgia State Prison on 2/19/1864 for murder. James(the Preacher) Rainwater died around 6/22/1871, and although I don't recall if he indicates in his will that Zebulon Miles was deceased, he clearly omits Zebulon Miles and refers to Lilla Ann as parent to Zebulon Miles's children. My records have always kept Zebulon Miles's date of death open. Dan Bruce At 08:16 AM 4/5/99 -0700, kay ohana wrote: >I was reading in this book several weeks ago and copied the statement as >thus: > >>From The Georgia Black Book, The Rev. Silas Emmett Lucas, Jr.: >Governor�s Proclamation Book 1854-1869; In Campbell Co. GA on 8 December >last Zebulon Miles Rainwater was murdered by Benj. F. Rainwater, Issued >14 January 1858. > >Then on 19 Feb. 1864 Zebulon Rainwater from Campbell County was >incarcerated. (Note: Don�t know what for. Was this Zebulon Junior by any >chance?) > >One of us is mixed up or we read difference parts of the book. Here it >appears that Benj murdered Zebulon Miles on Dec 8, 1857. I went back to >the FHC to reread this portion of the book, and it is missing from the >library! Since Zebulon Miles nor Benj. F. are of my direct line I am not >going to research it further, however, someone should try to find the >original documents for clarification. Sometimes published histories do >not always get the facts straight. > >Kay from rainy and cold Northern CA. > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >To return to the list after being away on vacation, etc. just send >the one-word message SUBSCRIBE to: >rainwater-L-request@rootsweb.com. It's all automatic. > > Dan

On Sun, 4 Apr 1999 22:28:25 -0700, Bob Schimmel wrote: >I'm going to assume that the son James was not the son of Minerva? > >> Land Parcel # 791 (1850 Census Pulaski Co., KY) >> William Howard Rainwater 36 yrs Farmer $100 value >> Minerva 29 >> James 19 >> etc... It also might be a boo-boo on the part of the clerk who made the original record. William Howard Rainwater is listed with an 1813 birth year in his parents' family Bible and Minerva is recorded with the same birth year in the 1870 census. Or it might be a bit of age trimming on behalf of female vanity. :-) scr

I was reading in this book several weeks ago and copied the statement as thus: >From The Georgia Black Book, The Rev. Silas Emmett Lucas, Jr.: Governor’s Proclamation Book 1854-1869; In Campbell Co. GA on 8 December last Zebulon Miles Rainwater was murdered by Benj. F. Rainwater, Issued 14 January 1858. Then on 19 Feb. 1864 Zebulon Rainwater from Campbell County was incarcerated. (Note: Don’t know what for. Was this Zebulon Junior by any chance?) One of us is mixed up or we read difference parts of the book. Here it appears that Benj murdered Zebulon Miles on Dec 8, 1857. I went back to the FHC to reread this portion of the book, and it is missing from the library! Since Zebulon Miles nor Benj. F. are of my direct line I am not going to research it further, however, someone should try to find the original documents for clarification. Sometimes published histories do not always get the facts straight. Kay from rainy and cold Northern CA.

I am decended from Rev. James Rainwater (the Preacher) who migrated to Georgia. He had a son named Zebulon Miles, who was born in SC. He married a Lilla Ann Thompson abt 1845 and died abt 1857. "From History of Coweta Co., Ga."; compiled and written by the Newnan-Coweta Historical Soc'y.; Then also from "The Georgia Black Book"; "8 Feb 1857 Benjamin F. Rainwater was murdered in Campbell Co., Ga; 14 Jan 1858 an Executive Order was issued for the arrest of Zebulon Miles Rainwater, for the murder of his brother, Benjamin F. Lilla is listed as the head of household in the 1860 census of Campbell Co., Ga. James Rainwater referred to Z. Miles Rainwater as deceased in his will which was written in 1865.

Hal: I'm going to assume that the son James was not the son of Minerva? Bob Schimmel >------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- >Date forwarded: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:51:03 -0800 (PST) >From: "Hal Irving" <GenieHal@Worldnet.att.net> > >OK, here 'tis.........from notes scribbled many many years ago at an LDS >Fam History Center... > > Land Parcel # 791 (1850 Census Pulaski Co., KY) > William Howard Rainwater 36 yrs Farmer $100 value > Minerva 29 > James 19 > Martha 11 > John 9 > Miles 5 > Mary 4 > Sarah 3 > William 1

I am aware of at least three folks who apparently are flaming each other. At least they are doing it privately and not on the list, for which I thank them. My suggestion to all is consider that email has no sound, no word inflections, no body language as does voice speech. It's real easy to misunderstand something as toe-stepping when really what had been said was in the spirit of constructive criticism. Everyone gets excited now and then. And no one is perfect. Sometimes certain words hit another person on a personal raw spot even tho no offense was meant. I also have sounded abrasive in some emails at times, which makes me more careful now because I have slowed down and I take the time to reread everything before hitting SEND. If we can view every message for the information it contains, not for what attitude or mood we preceive the sender was in when they were in front of their keyboard, much unnecessary stress can be avoided. We are exchanging data. There are bound to be discrepancies, but be pleased that others are turning loose of sometimes hard-fought for information. Log conflicts in your notes as such and move on. Pertaining to takers who refuse to share ... I got them in my family also. Instead of dumping your entire GEDCOM on an unknown person, learn to send out feelers. Exchange bits of data in the beginning if you are worried about maybe not receiving anythng back. I got a message this week which said: "I'm researching _______ surname. Send everything you got". For me that is an obvious good use of my delete button. There are soft answers that can be used .... such as: I don't agree (instead of : You numbskull ! ) Please (instead of : I want, send all ) My documentation is ... (instead of : You don't know what you're taking about). Bob Schimmel, listowner

------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Deborah <DeborahLee@att.net> I have the following books and will look up requests as time permits. An Enhanced 1850 Census Spartanburg District, South Carolina Spartanburg County Marriages 1785-1911 Implied in Spartanburg County, South Carolina Probate Records by Barbara R. Langdon.

For Dan Bruce, My response about where and when Zebulon was born was directed to Dan Rainwater who had said that Zebulon was born in GA. Your post agreed with everything else I've seen about where he was born. Sorry for that confusion. I should have been more specific about which Dan I was responding to. I do not have much on Daniel, just his two marriages and the children they produced. I'm afraid I have to admit that I've not done any research on Rainwaters at all. Everything I have has been sent to me by other folks. I do not have the military information about Zebulon but I certainly would like to if it wouldn't be too much trouble. How can I participate in receiving the information? Thanks, Gene Essman

Just to add to Dan Rainwater's note, migrations of entire communities, or what seems to be entire communities were common around this time. New territories opened up and many adventurous families packed up and moved in large groups from one area to another to grab land grants. That's one reason why you find many family surnames intermarrying in one geography, and if you trace a single family to another geography, you find the same familiar surnames there as well. Dan Bruce At 12:09 PM 4/3/99 -0500, Dan Rainwater wrote: >Sorry, there is a misunderstanding. I said that the Rainwater clan >settled in this area of GA in the 1830's. Most all of the Rainwaters >that settled in the Campbell Co. area of GA were born in the Spartenburg >area. They then migrated to GA. And pleas remember, not all came to GA >in the 1830's....some moved in later. Your records are >correct...Zebulon was born in Spartenburg. Gene, I hope this helps >clear up my email. > >Regarding other information in your mail. Zebulon being a Methodist >minister is interesting, because the Rainwaters who pasted through GA >have a very rich tradition in the Baptist Church. Several Baptist >churches in GA were founded by Rainwaters. > >I would be interested in any pica's you might have of Rainwater related >info. > >Thanks, >Dan Rainwater > >nessman@home.com wrote: > >> Hey Dan, >> >> There seems to be a little conflict. You're saying that my >> gggftr Zebulon Rainwater was born in GA in 1830 while most >> evidence points to him having been born in Spartenburg, SC >> in 1823. I am curious as to the source of your information? >> >> By the way, I see my ggmtr's name spelled on here as Margaret >> Jane (Scarber) Rainwater, wife of James Samuel, son of Zebulon. >> She appeared in two census, once as Marget and once as Margaret. >> The family story is that her name was Marget, not Margaret and >> that name, Marget, is what is on her head stone in Mt. Hope >> Cemetery in Franklin County, AR. I'd be happy to provide a >> .jpg of that for anyone who would care to see it. In fact, I >> have, I think, .jpg's of all the Rainwater headstones in Mt. >> Hope Cemetery along with pics of the Mt. Hope Church where the >> Cemetery is located. I'd be happy to post those .jpgs here >> so they could be downloaded if that would be desirable. There >> are a lot of unmarked graves in Mt. Hope Cemetery and there is >> not a reliable list of who is buried there. >> >> Franklin County was split in half during the Civil War and >> the Mt. Hope Cemetery lies very near the north-south dividing >> line and has become a sort of step-child. There were two county >> seats established during the war, one in Ozark for the southern >> part and in Charleston for the northern part. The Arkansas River >> was the dividing line right in through there. The cemetery lies >> fairly close to the line and neither county seat attempts to keep >> a very accurate list. >> >> The county seat in Charleston should have the list but the most >> recent list they have is dated in 1976 and it shows no Essmans >> buried there in spite of the fact that the sign over the entrance >> of the cemetery says it is the Essman-Rainwater Cemetery. My >> ggftr James David Essman and his wife Rachel are there, as are >> my gftr William Clarence Essman and his wife Sarah Alice Rain- >> water, "Allie," as she was called, along with several other >> Essmans. The "bad blood" is so deep still that the two county >> seats do not talk with each other. They're still fighting >> a cold war there. If it weren't so sad, it would be amusing. >> >> Zebulon, who was a Methodist minister, was pastor of the Mt. Hope >> Church as was his grandson Zeb, Allie's brother, who married my >> gftr's sister, Ethel Beatrice Essman. The younger Zeb was the >> child of James Samuel and Marget Jane, as was my gmtr Allie. All >> of the folks I mention here are buried in the Cemetery there at Mt. >> Hope. >> >> Gene Essman > > > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >If you have a suggestion how this list can >better serve you, send to the listowner: >schimmel@northlink.com > > Dan

Gene, Did I say his place of birth was GA? My file shows that Zebulon was born in 1823 in Spartanburg co., SC. I had to move some things around in my outline for it to fit in the e-mail message, so I may have messed it up. Your great grandmother's name may very well have been Marget, and not Margaret. Census takers took liberties in recording names, sometimes putting down what they believed the correct spelling was, and sometimes spelling the name exactly as the individual being interviewed would pronounce the name. Most folks being interviewed couldn't read or write, so how their name was spelled was of little consequence to them. My great-great grandfather, Daniel, settled in Yell County, Arkansas. I would be interested if you have done any investigating in that neck of the woods. The time period when my family was in Arkansas is still a black hole for me, and I figure it may take a trip to Arkansas before I can fill that empty space in. By the way, your Zebulon has an interesting military background. If you don't have any info in this area, I'll be happy to pass along what little I do have on Zebulon during the Civil War. Dan Bruce At 11:41 PM 4/2/99 -0700, nessman@home.com wrote: >Hey Dan, > >There seems to be a little conflict. You're saying that my >gggftr Zebulon Rainwater was born in GA in 1830 while most >evidence points to him having been born in Spartenburg, SC >in 1823. I am curious as to the source of your information? > >By the way, I see my ggmtr's name spelled on here as Margaret >Jane (Scarber) Rainwater, wife of James Samuel, son of Zebulon. >She appeared in two census, once as Marget and once as Margaret. >The family story is that her name was Marget, not Margaret and >that name, Marget, is what is on her head stone in Mt. Hope >Cemetery in Franklin County, AR. I'd be happy to provide a >.jpg of that for anyone who would care to see it. In fact, I >have, I think, .jpg's of all the Rainwater headstones in Mt. >Hope Cemetery along with pics of the Mt. Hope Church where the >Cemetery is located. I'd be happy to post those .jpgs here >so they could be downloaded if that would be desirable. There >are a lot of unmarked graves in Mt. Hope Cemetery and there is >not a reliable list of who is buried there. > >Franklin County was split in half during the Civil War and >the Mt. Hope Cemetery lies very near the north-south dividing >line and has become a sort of step-child. There were two county >seats established during the war, one in Ozark for the southern >part and in Charleston for the northern part. The Arkansas River >was the dividing line right in through there. The cemetery lies >fairly close to the line and neither county seat attempts to keep >a very accurate list. > >The county seat in Charleston should have the list but the most >recent list they have is dated in 1976 and it shows no Essmans >buried there in spite of the fact that the sign over the entrance >of the cemetery says it is the Essman-Rainwater Cemetery. My >ggftr James David Essman and his wife Rachel are there, as are >my gftr William Clarence Essman and his wife Sarah Alice Rain- >water, "Allie," as she was called, along with several other >Essmans. The "bad blood" is so deep still that the two county >seats do not talk with each other. They're still fighting >a cold war there. If it weren't so sad, it would be amusing. > >Zebulon, who was a Methodist minister, was pastor of the Mt. Hope >Church as was his grandson Zeb, Allie's brother, who married my >gftr's sister, Ethel Beatrice Essman. The younger Zeb was the >child of James Samuel and Marget Jane, as was my gmtr Allie. All >of the folks I mention here are buried in the Cemetery there at Mt. >Hope. > >Gene Essman > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >This list is not for political discussions, seasonal greetings, jokes, >and personal causes. Please keep messages oriented toward genealogy. >Listowner can be reached at: schimmel@northlink.com > > Dan

Hal, The Rainwater store is located in Rex, Clayton Co., GA. It is about 5 miles from my home in Jonesboro, GA. Is was first opened by Clinton Rainwater who is my ggguncle. The store was sold to somebody outside the Rainwater family a few years ago....but is still operated as "The Rainwater Store". When I first moved into this county 30 years ago, people would ask me if I am related to the Rainwater store people. At the time I didn't know and found that I am within the last 5 years when my aunt and I started researching our family. Good to hear from you. Dan Hal Irving wrote: > Hi Dan, saw your note re: James the Blacksmith...not in my line but was > wondering if you were aware that a year or so ago the GA Legislature passed > a Resolution or something similiar "honoring the historic Rainwater > Grocery". The article I saw didn't give any information other than the > passage of the "Bill" but was rather just an index of Bills passed in that > Session.........Any ideas??? Might be worthwhile checking out just for > fun............I wrote an E-Mail to a lady who was representing the > District that the old store had been/ was in, but didn't get an > answer......... > > Hal

Hi Susan, thanks for info.....here's a tidbit that you may or may not have re: Elizabeth Rainwater that married Isaac Roberts. For many years I corresponded with a John Roberts who descended from Isaac Roberts......he sent me doc's showing that Isaac had first married Elizabeth Norfleet and had seven children. Elizabeth Norfleet then died in 1842. He then married Elizabeth Rainwater and they moved to Bedford IN where Elizabeth's sister Nancy lived. Nancy was married to William Roy of either Pulaski Co. In addition to Isaac's seven children they had three sons; William Roberts Nov 1844, Abraham b. 1847; and a third son in 1849. Isaac took sick and apparently died. John Roberts states that Elizabeth kept and operated the Roberts farm with help from her sisters, Nancy Rainwater Roy (who was twin to my John Rainwater)....and apparently the oldest Rainwater sister, Lydia ( had lived with Nancy for some years to take care of children) from Isaac's death in 1849 until Elizabeth married Zachariah Loveall of Pulaski Co., KY at Bedford IN. on 15 Oct 1854. He was son of Zachariah Loveall and Elizabeth Anderson Kelsey. They had children: Miles, b. 18 Sept 1856 who married Hattie Carttick Jun 1887; Kelsey, b. 22 April 1857, who marr first Clara Smith and second Mattie Seymore; Zachariah Jr., 22 Nov 1859 who married Jesse Carttick; and Lydia (no other dtata available). Elizabeth thus raised Isaac's 7 Children and her own 7 children. A note indicates that when the Roberts farm was sold, Elizabeth divided the proceeds among the 10 Roberts childen prior to her marriage to Z Loveall. In 1861 or 1862 the Loveall Family which now included Lydia, helping with the children, moved to Fairbault Co., MN......Shortly after arriving the younger Lydia died and is buried next to her Aunt Lydia (1802-1886) at Rice Cemetery near Wells, MN. Records indicate that Zachariah died about 1891 and Elizabeth in 1896 but place of burial has not been discovered. John Roberts says he has obit from local newspaper but it reports death only and he feels that burial was probably on the home place near SE of Wells. Thought you might like to have this data as background material and to relate what happened to Lydia Rainwater. Also answers questions as to Nancy Rainwater Roy....BTW I still have a Cousin, Carly Roy, Bethelridge, KY who was dau of Hetty Rainwater and Dillard Barber, whose husband connects back to the William Roy above....... Hal, from windy & cooool Northern California!

Ron, Thanks for the Rainwater websites! Does anyone else have one, or know of any others out there that pertain to Rainwater's? Regards, Lisa Rainwater <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/NRAINH20/index.html">Lisa's Home page</A>

I have come across several Rainwater related web sites that may be of interest to some of you. RAINWATER O J = http://www.acun.com/dentons/html/d0003/g0000076.html#I21793 Rainwater Forum = http://www.genforum.com/rainwater Rainweb = http://pages.prodigy.com/rainwater/researcher.html Lisa Rainwater's homepage = http://members.aol.com/nrainh20/index.html MOA_Search - Rainwater = http://moa.umdl.umich.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=AAW4343 B.F. RAINWATER - Harvey L. RAINWATER = http://www.icsi.net/~gfutch/html/index/ind3608.html Rebecca RAINWATER b.ca 1780s = http://www.micronet.net/users/~haymac/Sparrowhawk1.0.1/D0001/I4771.html Artis RAINWATER = http://www.icsi.net/~gfutch/html/index/ind3607.html Links to Families of Washington County, AL = http://vidas.rootsweb.com/wacolink.html Leila's Genealogy Page = http://www.gengateway.com/listings/sites/10271.html List of Surnames - Rainwater = http://alemons.home.mindspring.com/surnames.html

Sorry, there is a misunderstanding. I said that the Rainwater clan settled in this area of GA in the 1830's. Most all of the Rainwaters that settled in the Campbell Co. area of GA were born in the Spartenburg area. They then migrated to GA. And pleas remember, not all came to GA in the 1830's....some moved in later. Your records are correct...Zebulon was born in Spartenburg. Gene, I hope this helps clear up my email. Regarding other information in your mail. Zebulon being a Methodist minister is interesting, because the Rainwaters who pasted through GA have a very rich tradition in the Baptist Church. Several Baptist churches in GA were founded by Rainwaters. I would be interested in any pica's you might have of Rainwater related info. Thanks, Dan Rainwater nessman@home.com wrote: > Hey Dan, > > There seems to be a little conflict. You're saying that my > gggftr Zebulon Rainwater was born in GA in 1830 while most > evidence points to him having been born in Spartenburg, SC > in 1823. I am curious as to the source of your information? > > By the way, I see my ggmtr's name spelled on here as Margaret > Jane (Scarber) Rainwater, wife of James Samuel, son of Zebulon. > She appeared in two census, once as Marget and once as Margaret. > The family story is that her name was Marget, not Margaret and > that name, Marget, is what is on her head stone in Mt. Hope > Cemetery in Franklin County, AR. I'd be happy to provide a > .jpg of that for anyone who would care to see it. In fact, I > have, I think, .jpg's of all the Rainwater headstones in Mt. > Hope Cemetery along with pics of the Mt. Hope Church where the > Cemetery is located. I'd be happy to post those .jpgs here > so they could be downloaded if that would be desirable. There > are a lot of unmarked graves in Mt. Hope Cemetery and there is > not a reliable list of who is buried there. > > Franklin County was split in half during the Civil War and > the Mt. Hope Cemetery lies very near the north-south dividing > line and has become a sort of step-child. There were two county > seats established during the war, one in Ozark for the southern > part and in Charleston for the northern part. The Arkansas River > was the dividing line right in through there. The cemetery lies > fairly close to the line and neither county seat attempts to keep > a very accurate list. > > The county seat in Charleston should have the list but the most > recent list they have is dated in 1976 and it shows no Essmans > buried there in spite of the fact that the sign over the entrance > of the cemetery says it is the Essman-Rainwater Cemetery. My > ggftr James David Essman and his wife Rachel are there, as are > my gftr William Clarence Essman and his wife Sarah Alice Rain- > water, "Allie," as she was called, along with several other > Essmans. The "bad blood" is so deep still that the two county > seats do not talk with each other. They're still fighting > a cold war there. If it weren't so sad, it would be amusing. > > Zebulon, who was a Methodist minister, was pastor of the Mt. Hope > Church as was his grandson Zeb, Allie's brother, who married my > gftr's sister, Ethel Beatrice Essman. The younger Zeb was the > child of James Samuel and Marget Jane, as was my gmtr Allie. All > of the folks I mention here are buried in the Cemetery there at Mt. > Hope. > > Gene Essman