Annie, No one has posted much, if any info on Moses that I can recall and I have no concrete facts to support a listing of Mose's children, but based on census records in NC and proximity of counties, I believe in the possibility that a listing of Moses's descendants could have included the following: Mathew RAINWATER b: Aft 1774 Moses RAINWATER b: Aft 1774 John RAINWATER b: Bef 1775 Locations of these men were as follows: 1810 - Richmond co, NC - John 1820 - Richmond co, NC - Mathew and Moses(Jr) 1830 - Jefferson co, TN - Mathew Sevier co, TN - Moses(Jr) 1840 - Sevier co, TN - Moses(Jr) I also believe that it's possible that the John I listed above was in the Hendersonville District, Granville co, NC in 1790. I agree with your assessment on missing details about Moses. For some time, I have pondered the possibility that Moses may hold a key to many Rainwater lines that have hit a dead end, including my own.Could some of the Rainwaters that were in Spartanburg co, SC come from this line? I represent the above not as facts, but simply as points to consider, with additional research required to change some or all of these beliefs into facts. I wish you good luck in your Rainwater hunting. Dan Bruce At 09:52 AM 4/2/99 PST, Annie wrote: >Does anyone know the names of Moses' children? He appears on the 1787 NC state census with 1 male 21-60; 6 males under 21 or over 60; 4 females of all ages and no slaves. Quoting Robert Albert (p.8 July 1995 Rainwater Researcher) "this Rainwater has obviously been married for some time as he has 9 children....in 1787 Moses apprentices Williams Rainwater age 13 to Mr. Robert Burch. It is highly likely that he was apprenticing his own son....named after his father. Moses also witnessed the will of Robert Burch in 1788." > If we knew more about this Moses, he could possibly provide a lot of missing links. > Annie > >Johnston is just a few counties SE of Surry and Surry isn't far from Sevier Co., TN. > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >RootsWeb has many subjects and surname newsgroups for your enjoyment. >Point your browser to www.rootsweb.com/ >and be prepared to stay awhile. The facilities are immense. > > Dan
RE: John of Arkansas.......Webber in his genealogy indicates that James rainwater 1736-1805 had children including Elizabeth/Solomon/Wm/Abraham/Miles with data....there is a John listed at the bottom along with Moses and a note that says "Two Other Daughters".....these later listings have no data.........I have scribbled in a pencil note saying "a John Rainwater served War of 1812, 2nd Co. , 14th Brigade of NC".....don't recall where I copied this note...........the siblings with data were born 1765 thru 1787.........your note indicates 84 yrs in 1850, which would be born 1756........But I have no data for John Jr b 1735...may be his family.......... Hal
In a message dated 4/7/99 8:36:46 AM Central Daylight Time, nessman@home.com writes: > I'm having a hard time placing these 2 families. Would > someone please help? > Thanks, Nancy > > CENSUS YR: 1850 STATE or TERRITORY: AR > COUNTY: Crawford DIVISION: Lees Creek Township > REEL NO: M432-25 PAGE NO: 345A > REFERENCE: 25th day of Dec 1850 by S G Clark > 16 81 81 Rainwater John S 30 M Farmer 350 Ten > 17 81 81 Rainwater Lucinda 29 F Ten > 18 81 81 Rainwater Julia A 8 F Ten > 19 81 81 Rainwater William P 6 M Ten > REMARKS: p689B > 20 81 81 Rainwater Mary E 3 F Ark > 21 81 81 Rainwater James H 3/12 M Ark > 22 81 81 Rainwater James 60 M SC ================================ The above family is John Sanford Rainwater and his wife Lucinda Shehan with their children. He is the son of James Rainwater b. 1791 NC and Catherine McCall. The 60 year old James is John's father. James and two of his sons left TN for AR in the late 1840's. Catherine "Katie" the mother and other children remained in TN. If you want more information on James and "Katie" and their descendants, let me know and I'll send you a GEDCOM or group sheets. James and "Katie" are my ggg-grandparents. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > CENSUS YR: 1850 STATE or TERRITORY: AR > COUNTY: Crawford DIVISION: Mountain Township > REEL NO: M432-25 PAGE NO: 328A > REFERENCE: 14th day of Dec 1850 by S G Clark > 32 41 41 Rainwater John 84 M N C > 33 41 41 Rainwater Elizabeth 60 F N C > 34 41 41 Rainwater Emiline 19 F Ten > 35 41 41 Rainwater Margaret 16 F Al > 36 41 41 Rainwater Hiram 14 M Al I am not sure who this John is. James, father of John Sanford shown above, supposedly had a brother named John, but I don't have any data on him. If the age shown on the census is correct, this John is probably a little old to be James' brother since all of his siblings that I have birth dates on were all born in the 1790's. Ron Recer Edmond, OK
Nancy, On the John bn: about 1766 in NC, check out John Rainwater, 1790 census, Henderson Dist., Granville co., NC. and 1810 census, Richmond co., NC for possible match. I believe this John might be son of Moses Rainwater, Sr. I show two John Rainwaters in TN in 1830: 1. John H. Rainwater, Stewart co., TN pg 55 of 1830 census 2. John N. Rainwater, Sevier co., TN pg 01 of 1830 census I don't have clue on the John S. Rainwater bn: about 1820 in TN. Good luck. Dan Bruce At 07:32 AM 4/7/99 -0600, nessman@home.com wrote: >Hello List... > >I'm having a hard time placing these 2 families. Would >someone please help? > >Thanks, Nancy > >CENSUS YR: 1850 STATE or TERRITORY: AR >COUNTY: Crawford DIVISION: Lees Creek Township >REEL NO: M432-25 PAGE NO: 345A >REFERENCE: 25th day of Dec 1850 by S G Clark > >16 81 81 Rainwater John S 30 M Farmer 350 Ten >17 81 81 Rainwater Lucinda 29 F Ten >18 81 81 Rainwater Julia A 8 F Ten >19 81 81 Rainwater William P 6 M Ten > REMARKS: p689B >20 81 81 Rainwater Mary E 3 F Ark >21 81 81 Rainwater James H 3/12 M Ark >22 81 81 Rainwater James 60 M SC > >--------------------------------------------------------------- > >CENSUS YR: 1850 STATE or TERRITORY: AR >COUNTY: Crawford DIVISION: Mountain Township >REEL NO: M432-25 PAGE NO: 328A >REFERENCE: 14th day of Dec 1850 by S G Clark > >32 41 41 Rainwater John 84 M N C >33 41 41 Rainwater Elizabeth 60 F N C >34 41 41 Rainwater Emiline 19 F Ten >35 41 41 Rainwater Margaret 16 F Al >36 41 41 Rainwater Hiram 14 M Al > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >Many subscribers to this list specialize in certain States >and Counties. If you need information, post the specific >location you need and ask for assistance. > > Dan
Kentucky indeed did not join the Confederacy, but that was because the Union army took over the state legislature before it could act. Given a free hand, Kentucky would have been in the Confederacy, as it was classified as a slave state. More Kentuckians fought for the South than the North. Remember even Alabamas fought for the North (several Alabama counties did not go along with secession). Joseph B. Lambert At 10:50 PM 4/6/99 -0400, Dan Bruce wrote: >Hal, > >Actually, and with no intention of reviving the Civil War, I believe >Kentucky was a Union state. There were quite a few Kentuckians that fought >on the CSA side and died here in Georgia. They were referred to as the >Kentucky Orphans. I have ancestors on both sides that fought in the Civil >War conflict, but there are some people today that are still kind of >sensitive towards the North/South thing. > >Important thing to remember is, family is family. No offense taken here >Cousin. > >Dan Bruce > > At 04:51 PM 4/6/99 -0700, Hal Irving wrote: >>OK, Bob.........I probably started the use of the terms Northern and >>Southern and never intended anything about the civil war.....my usage was >>started to describe the location of Rainwaters before I knew of a Tennessee >>branch........My early research (1980's) was based on knowledge that John >>Rainwater came from VA to NC in 1735 or thereabouts and supposedly had sons >>John Jr; James; and William. From information supplied by real life >>"cousins" in KY, I followed my line through James b. 1736; William b.1774; >>then to John b 1811; his son Welcome Giles; Daniel Francis; and then my >>Mother, Ruth Rainwater b 1901.........The other children of John b. ca 1695 >>I did not follow but understood that their descendants went first to SC, the >>GA-AL-MS etc......... >> >>Thus my generalization of Northern/Southern.........nothing intended as the >>"split" occurred 60 years before the CW.......Also KY is, I think, south of >>the Mason-Dixon....and many residents fought for the South... >> >>With that said.......You are probably right, if people are offended, then >>some other indicator should be used. I would be more than pleased to use >>"Kentucky Rainwater's" or simply "descendants that migrated to KY by 1813" >>etc.........whatever's acceptable, and with apologies to any cousins that >>were offended.... >> >>Hal >> >> >>==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >>This list is not for political discussions, seasonal greetings, jokes, >>and personal causes. Please keep messages oriented toward genealogy. >>Listowner can be reached at: schimmel@northlink.com >> >> >Dan > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >Tell friends and cousins about our RAINWATER family. >To get on the list, send one-word message SUBSCRIBE to: >rainwater-L-request@rootsweb.com It's all automatic. > Joseph B. Lambert Department of Chemistry Northwestern University 2145 Sheridan Road Evanston, IL 60208-3113 Telephone 847-491-5437 Fax 847-491-7713 E-mail lambert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu or jlambert@nwu.edu Webpage http://www.chem.nwu.edu/~lambert/ (best with Netscape 3.0 or higher)
Hello List... I'm having a hard time placing these 2 families. Would someone please help? Thanks, Nancy CENSUS YR: 1850 STATE or TERRITORY: AR COUNTY: Crawford DIVISION: Lees Creek Township REEL NO: M432-25 PAGE NO: 345A REFERENCE: 25th day of Dec 1850 by S G Clark 16 81 81 Rainwater John S 30 M Farmer 350 Ten 17 81 81 Rainwater Lucinda 29 F Ten 18 81 81 Rainwater Julia A 8 F Ten 19 81 81 Rainwater William P 6 M Ten REMARKS: p689B 20 81 81 Rainwater Mary E 3 F Ark 21 81 81 Rainwater James H 3/12 M Ark 22 81 81 Rainwater James 60 M SC --------------------------------------------------------------- CENSUS YR: 1850 STATE or TERRITORY: AR COUNTY: Crawford DIVISION: Mountain Township REEL NO: M432-25 PAGE NO: 328A REFERENCE: 14th day of Dec 1850 by S G Clark 32 41 41 Rainwater John 84 M N C 33 41 41 Rainwater Elizabeth 60 F N C 34 41 41 Rainwater Emiline 19 F Ten 35 41 41 Rainwater Margaret 16 F Al 36 41 41 Rainwater Hiram 14 M Al
He had at least seven of them, and six have been identified. We have Jane the oldest b 1808; then Susannah (Susan) b 1812; Nancy b 1817; Sarah (Sally) b 1819; Unknown b abt 1822-23; Elizabeth (Betsy) b 1826; and Louisa b 1828. Jane: She remained unmarried as far as I can determine until after 1860. She is in Burrells hh on 1850 census Cobb Co. GA with three children. She is in Paulding Co. GA in 1860 with two daughters, Margarette and Amanda. I have a letter on file from Hammett and Eleanor Paris, considered the Source for information on those people buried in Vernon Cemetery in Paulding Co. They state that Old Lady Rainwater, buried in Vernon is Jane Rainwater, James mother, and that she married a Rash.1870 census, Paulding Co. Jane Rash 60, Amanda 15. 1880 census, Paulding Co: Jane Rash 71, M.J. 28 da. Jane died after 1880. She is buried Row 5 space 14; her son John is buried row 5 sp 15 and Margarette Rash is buried row 5 sp 16. Susannah: She married William Lewis abt 1837 in AL. and is in Cobb Co. GA 1850. She is out of the hh on the 1840 Cherokee Co AL census. Her son Henry F. T. Lewis death certificate states his parents are William Lewis and Susan Rainwater. 1860 and 1870 census she is still in Paulding Co. William died at age 52 and is buried Vernon Cemetery. I have not found her in Paulding Co 1880, but I havent checked the hh of all her children yet. Her oldest son, Pinkney Lewis m Martha A. Harris 10 June 1860, and daughter Mary married Nathan G. Paris 29 July 1858. Nancy Adeline: She married John Morris Minton about 1837 in AL. She did not return to GA with her siblings. She is still in AL on the 1850 census. She went with her siblings to Prairie Co AR early in the 1880s and d 03 Feb. 1882. She and John are buried in Mount Pleasant Cemetery Prairie Co. AR. Her headstone reads, Nancy A. Rainwater wife of J.M. Minton. Sarah: Married Charles Fuller in double wedding with her brother, Allan who m Nancy Lambert, 27 Dec. 1840. She and Charles are in Cobb Co. 1850, and in Paulding Co. 1870 and 1880. She died 05 march 1900. She and Charles are buried Center Point Cemetery, Hazen AR. Their son, Ezekiel Youngs death certificate states his parents were Charles Fuller and Sally Rainwater. Unknown daughter: Elizabeth: Betsy married James B. Calley about 1846. She and James on 1850 census, Cobb Co. Both on 1860 census, Paulding Co. James was killed at Raleigh SC 1864 Civil War. Elizabeth still in Paulding Co. 1870 and 1880. She went with her siblings to AR and died 10 Nov. 1901. She is buried in Center Point Cemetery Hazen AR. Louisa Elzora: She married William D. Calley, brother to James. Both of them on the 1850 Cobb Co. census, and both on 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. They went with siblings to AR but settled in Pike Co. AR. Louisa is a widow on the 1900 Pike Co. AR census. Louisa and William are buried in the Macedonia Cemetery, Pike Co. AR. No birth or death dates. Now for a little speculation. 1850 Cobb Co. census: hh #1635 William and Louisa Calley; #1636 James and Betsy Calley; #1658 Burrell and Elizabeth with Jane; #1659 Charles and Sarah Fuller; #1675 William and Susan Lewis. Five of his seven daughters. Nancy is in AL. Now, in hh #1660 is Samuel Reynolds 26 b SC; Polly 27 b SC; Mary Jane 6 b GA and Elizabeth 1 b GA. Would anyone like to make a bet that this is Burrells missing daughter? 1860 this couple in Paulding Co. as S.J. Raynolds and Mary with 5 children. Nearby is Sarah, Jane, Louisa, Elizabeth and Susannah. Oh, one more thing, Burrell had over 50 grandchildren. Kay
Hal, Actually, and with no intention of reviving the Civil War, I believe Kentucky was a Union state. There were quite a few Kentuckians that fought on the CSA side and died here in Georgia. They were referred to as the Kentucky Orphans. I have ancestors on both sides that fought in the Civil War conflict, but there are some people today that are still kind of sensitive towards the North/South thing. Important thing to remember is, family is family. No offense taken here Cousin. Dan Bruce At 04:51 PM 4/6/99 -0700, Hal Irving wrote: >OK, Bob.........I probably started the use of the terms Northern and >Southern and never intended anything about the civil war.....my usage was >started to describe the location of Rainwaters before I knew of a Tennessee >branch........My early research (1980's) was based on knowledge that John >Rainwater came from VA to NC in 1735 or thereabouts and supposedly had sons >John Jr; James; and William. From information supplied by real life >"cousins" in KY, I followed my line through James b. 1736; William b.1774; >then to John b 1811; his son Welcome Giles; Daniel Francis; and then my >Mother, Ruth Rainwater b 1901.........The other children of John b. ca 1695 >I did not follow but understood that their descendants went first to SC, the >GA-AL-MS etc......... > >Thus my generalization of Northern/Southern.........nothing intended as the >"split" occurred 60 years before the CW.......Also KY is, I think, south of >the Mason-Dixon....and many residents fought for the South... > >With that said.......You are probably right, if people are offended, then >some other indicator should be used. I would be more than pleased to use >"Kentucky Rainwater's" or simply "descendants that migrated to KY by 1813" >etc.........whatever's acceptable, and with apologies to any cousins that >were offended.... > >Hal > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >This list is not for political discussions, seasonal greetings, jokes, >and personal causes. Please keep messages oriented toward genealogy. >Listowner can be reached at: schimmel@northlink.com > > Dan
Fellow Researchers, I found this tonight in Genforum, listed under HAYNES. Regards, Lisa Rainwater <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/NRAINH20/index.html">Lisa's Home page</A> Thomas HAYNES, RAINWATER Family Bible [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ Return to Message Listings ] [ Print Message ] [ Help ] Posted by John L, Haynes on August 26, 1998 at 18:38:53: In Spartanburg. SC Dec 1833, my gg grandfather, Thomas HAYNES, s/o James G. HAYNES, at the Estate Sale of personal property of John RAINWATER, dec'd, bought for $3.50 the "Large Family Bible" John RAINWATER and wife Susannah were parents of Rebecca RAINWATER who married James G. HAYNES. and Jane RAINWATER who married John FORTENBERRY. Thomas HAYNES, b. 1805 in SC, married Margaret FORTENBERRY d/o John FORTENBERRY and Jane RAINWATER. Thomas HAYNES died 27 Feb 1880 in Hart Co. GA and is buried in the Sardis Baptist Church Cemetery there. At the time of his death, he was living with his youngest daughter, Mary Ann HAYNES, who was married to John M. NEESE, all living in Hart Co. GA at that time. The JOHN RAINWATER "Large Family Bible", which I feel sure must contain valuable information on the RAINWATER and allied families, may still be in the possession of any of the children/descendants of Thomas HAYNES. Since he was living with his daughter, Mary Ann HAYNES NEESE at the time of his death, it may be in the possession of one of the John M. NEESE descendants. If anyone has any knowledge of the whereabouts of the JOHN RAINWATER "Large Family Bible" please contact me, John L. Haynes via email or tel 907 337-1925 or fax 907 337-1926. Any lead will be greatly appreciated. John Haynes, Anchorage, Alaska
Ohhhhhhh, who's going to tackle this query???? Bertha, my line is parallel to yours except that we split with William & Patsy's children. I then follow John of 1811, then Welcome Giles, then Daniel Francis, the Mother Ruth Rainwater b 1901 d. 1988. Reason I answered with "ohhhh" is that recent data points, perhaps, to the fact that there were several James' and several William's in the late 1700's and early 1800's and all of us are trying to determine "who is which"...... Welcome aboard we would love to see your detailed family data. Hal, from Northern California! (Can I say that???) (^u^)
OK, Bob.........I probably started the use of the terms Northern and Southern and never intended anything about the civil war.....my usage was started to describe the location of Rainwaters before I knew of a Tennessee branch........My early research (1980's) was based on knowledge that John Rainwater came from VA to NC in 1735 or thereabouts and supposedly had sons John Jr; James; and William. From information supplied by real life "cousins" in KY, I followed my line through James b. 1736; William b.1774; then to John b 1811; his son Welcome Giles; Daniel Francis; and then my Mother, Ruth Rainwater b 1901.........The other children of John b. ca 1695 I did not follow but understood that their descendants went first to SC, the GA-AL-MS etc......... Thus my generalization of Northern/Southern.........nothing intended as the "split" occurred 60 years before the CW.......Also KY is, I think, south of the Mason-Dixon....and many residents fought for the South... With that said.......You are probably right, if people are offended, then some other indicator should be used. I would be more than pleased to use "Kentucky Rainwater's" or simply "descendants that migrated to KY by 1813" etc.........whatever's acceptable, and with apologies to any cousins that were offended.... Hal
Hello- I've been member of the group for a short while and I have my first question. I am looking for information about my ancestor who was, from what we can figure out, the sister of Matthew Rainwater (1815-1887); the Matthew who was married to Mahalia Jane Snapp. My ancestor (Matthew's sister) was married to John Llewellyn and they were the parents of Moses Alexander, James S., William, John, Henry, and Jacob. I appreciate any help you can give me. We have run into a dead-end with this one. Thanks, Eunice
I am fairly new to this list, although I have been researching my Rainwater ancestors for a long time. I descend through: John Rainwater and Mary Fussell James Rainwater and (-----) William Rainwater and Patsey Hodges Bartholomew Rainwater and Nancy McLaughlin Sarah Rainwater and Galen E. Weddle One of the first questions I would like to ask, and perhaps it has been discussed earlier on this list. Do all of the Rainwaters descend from John Rainwater and Mary Fussell of Surry County, North Carolina? Thank you, Bertha
The recent Williamson Co., TX genealogical newsletter claims these are actual excerpts from letters received by the LDS Family History Center in Salt Lake City: "Our great-great grandfather was found dead crossing the plains in the library." "He and his daughter are listed as not being born." "I would like to find out if I have any living relatives or dead relatives or ancestors in my family." "My grandfather died at the age of three." "I have a very hard time finding myself in London. If I were there I was very small and cannot be found." "Will you please send me the name of my first wife? I have forgotten her name."
Hi Aldean, I think I've already given you my theories on this. I'm not saying he isn't the son of John Nelson R. I just don't agree that he is also the son of Barbara Emert (Emmett).On the 1850 Benton Co.,Ore census (0020298- pg 1 fam 1 taken 23 Sep 1850) he is in the household of Mary and John Moore. He's listed as age 18.But-on the 1860 Benton Co census (805055 -he's suddenly age 39 with his wife and children. Maybe his landlady on the 1850 census is the one who gave the information.His age then stays consistent with each census.In the biographical section of the History of Benton Co.,Ore 979.534 H2f (SL FHC) pg 525 it states he was bn in NC 29 Aug 1820. He moved to Tn with his parents ,then to Mo then to Ore in 1847 where he went directly to Albany,Benton Co., and claimed 200 acres. Has anyone tried to obtain the papers generated when he filed on his claim? His claim # is 3560 for 320.55 acres, which means that his wife filed also. Alexander Martin R arrived in Ore 25 Oct 1847;he secured his claim on 15 Oct 1849;md Elizabeth, "a spring day of Mar or Apr 1852" The office where the land records were filed was OC- meaning Oregon City.I'm not sure if they'd still be there or if they've been transferred to the state archives. I've never tried to find them myself. Has anyone made any speculation as to the father of John Nelson R? Was he the old Moses R in Sevier Co? He had a large household. I would asume he was the Moses who aquired land in Sampson Co.NC. Has anyone researched him? Just some thoughts to kick around. Glidie ---------- > From: tendick <tendick@efn.org> > To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RAINWATER-L] Alexander Martin Rainwater > Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 5:16 PM > > Hi everyone, > > I have been trying to figure out from previous posts and my information > who Alexander's father is? I have always assumed it was John Nelson > Rainwater. He was born in NC. I know he married Barbara Emert/Emmett and > they lived in Sevier Co., TN. Why canj't they be his parents? Couldn't > they have married in NC? Or could he have been married once before Barbara? > Alexander married Barbara's neice, daughter of her brother Daniel. This > would make them first cousins. Anybody have any theories or answers? I > still believe John and Barbara are his parents and someday maybe I will > actually prove it. > Thanks, > Aldean > > > ==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== > To post a message/inquiry use this address: rainwater-L@rootsweb.com > To subscribe/unsubscribe use this address: rainwater-L-request@rootsweb.com
Hi Dan, Again you're partially right. There was a Z.B. Rainwater who served from Ms in the CW-CSA. However it wasn't Zebulon J from Ga. It was Zadock B.Rainwater from Carroll Co.,Ms who was md to Mrs. Hannah (Sarah) Montgomery.She had several children when she md Zadock. This is my territory now as I've done really extensive research in Ms because my John R. moved to Ms between the 1850-1860 census, and raised his family there. He is my gggrandfather. So far I haven't proved a connection to Zadock but his father was John Rainwater, who lived Simpson Co.,Ms. The Roster of Confederate Soldiers was a mis-print. On the index to Confederate Service records it's Z.B. Now, according to the censuses,Zebulon was home in Ga on the 1860 and on the 1870 he's in Decatur Co.,Tn. He must have been home sometime in between when the war started and when it ended, because he has a 7 year old Martha E. in the household on 187 I'm not sure just where this author got his information. I'm going up to Salt Lake Wed., so I'll make a note to check this out. If you get it done before,let me know. I'd be glad to find out if he did make a mistake when he extracted the information. You're right Benjamin F. doesn't show up again in any record. He would have been enumerated on the census even though he was in prison.I've found several enumerated in prisons and I thought "Aha,finally found a bad egg". It turned out they were guards. I'll close-let me know what you find. Glidie > From: Dan Bruce <dwbrucejr@mindspring.com> > To: grm <grm@castlenet.com> > Subject: Re: Fw: [RAINWATER-L] Zebulon Miles Rainwater > Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 9:15 PM > > Glidie, > > Oh, what tangled web we weave.....I'm tired of digging through confusing > stories in official documents, so I'm hopping in my time machine and > checking this one out personally.... > > Hard to say hoo dun whut.....Both men, Z.M. and Benjamin F., disappear > between the 1850 and 1860 censuses, and do not resurface. I didn't realize > that L.A. Thompson-Rainwater shows up as "widow" in the 1860 census, so > I'll have to go back and eyeball that one, and I believe the only way to > confirm hoo dun whut is to find the document that provided the info for the > executive order issued 15 Jan 1858 identified in "The Ga. Black > Book-Morbid,Macabre and Sometimes Disgusting Records of Genealofical Value" > by Robert Scott Albert to determine whether or not Mr. Albert got the story > right. > > Could it be that the Zebulon Rainwater that entered the GA State Prison on > 19 Feb 1864 is not Z.M. or Benjamin F., but Zebulon, son of the Blacksmith, > for a crime other than the murder in question? The plot thickens, eh?? > > I'm just teasing...I think not. The story on the Blacksmith's son(I > believe) during the time all this was going on is this: > > Zebulon B. Rainwater enlisted as a Private in Company D, 1st Regiment, > Mississippi Light Artillery, C.S.A. He was captured at Vicksburg by U.S. > Grant, paroled out of Demopolis, AL on 7/4/1863, deserted abt. 5/1/1864, > captured on 4/9/1865 in Blakely, AL and received at Ship Island, > Mississippi on 4/15/1865. I don't see how this Zebulon could have entered > GA State Prison on 19 Feb 1864, slipped out of prison and back to the war, > and then deserted 10 weeks later.(BTW, did you notice that I have this > Zebulon's middle initial as "B", not "J"? Military records....) > > The answer lies(hopefully) in the Campbell co., GA court records. Thanks > for the update, and it looks like this subject requires more digging. > > Dan Bruce > > At 07:36 PM 4/5/99 -0600, grm wrote: > > > > > >---------- > >> From: grm <grm@castlenet.com> > >> To: Dan Bruce <dwbrucejr@mindspring.com> > >> Subject: Re: [RAINWATER-L] Zebulon Miles Rainwater > >> Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 7:28 PM > >> > >> Hi Dan, > >> I just pulled my file on Zebulon Miles R. to check the information.This > >> is from "The Ga. Black Book-Morbid,Macabre and Sometimes Disgusting > >> Records of Genealofical Value" by Robert Scott Albert,Jr. (?) Also in the > >> same book is "Names from central register of convicts 1817-1868." > >> On page 158 # 43-it states "In Campbell Co on 8 Dec last,Zebulon Miles > >> Rainwater was murdered by Benjamin F. Rainwater.Issued 14 Jan 1858." > >> On the back of this page I've made a notation "Governors Proclamation > >> book 1854-1869".On Page 180-"Names and Aliases-Zebulon Rainwater, > >> #1975-entered prison 19 Feb 1864. Convicted in Campbell Co.,Ga" > >> > >> Could Benjamin have taken the name of Zebulon when he entered prison? > >> > >> I re-checked the copy of the will and your're right-It was written 10 Jan > >> 1865 and admitted for probate Oct Term of Probate court. (2Oct 1871), > >> However, on the 1860 census Zebulon's widow-and it states widow-is > >> in the household of Rev James and his new wife Nancy A. (?) Dobbs, > >> with her 2 children from a previous marriage. I can list them for you if > >> you'd like. (Campbell Co.,Ga-pg 57 (243) Fam # 413-GS#0803113) > >> Glidie > >> > >> > >> > >> ---------- > >> > From: Dan Bruce <dwbrucejr@mindspring.com> > >> > To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com > >> > Subject: Re: [RAINWATER-L] Zebulon Miles Rainwater > >> > Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 6:06 PM > >> > > >> > Gildie, > >> > > >> > Thank you for the info on the two Zebulons, which can be as confusing > >as > >> > the two James (blacksmith and preacher). > >> > > >> > The Blacksmith was my ggggrandfather, so I have a fair amount of info > >on > >> > his Zebulon, although I haven't found anything on his middle name. The > >> info > >> > you have on this Zebulon is accurate. > >> > > >> > As far as Ben is concerned, Benjamin F. was dead in 1857 at age 19 or > >20 > >> > and single at that time. Since this was 5 years prior to the date of 10 > >> Jan > >> > 1863, I think it's reasonable that the Preacher would not mention his > >> > youngest son in his will. > >> > > >> > The issue seems to be Zebulon Miles's date of death. Since the Georgia > >> > State Pen records that ZM entered through their gates on 19 Feb 1864, I > >> > come to two possible conclusions: > >> > > >> > 1. As far as James the Preacher was concerned when he wrote his will on > >> 10 > >> > Jan 1863, his son, Z.M. was dead. Z.M. was convicted of killing the > >> > Preacher's youngest son, and there is a time period of 6 years between > >> the > >> > death of Benjamin and Z.M. entering the state prison, and I haven't > >seen > >> > any documentation on where Z.M. was during this time. I'm sure "life in > >> > prison" was not a popular sentence for murder at that time, and I > >> wouldn't > >> > be surprised if there was no communication between Z.M. and his family > >> > after his conviction. I do believe that Z.M was deceased prior to his > >> > father's death. Could it be that James the Preacher wrote his will in > >> 1865 > >> > instead of 1863? > >> > > >> > 2. The date of the prison record is wrong. I tend to believe this is a > >> less > >> > likely scenario. Sentences were handed out in terms of time, so one > >would > >> > think that keeping accurate records of when convicts came into the > >> prison, > >> > what their sentences were, and when they left prison was fairly > >> important. > >> > > >> > In either case, Z.M. probably received a death sentence which was > >carried > >> > out in the Georgia State Prison. Documentation does show that Ben F. > >was > >> > murdered, Zebulon Miles was arrested for the crime, and sent to the > >> Georgia > >> > State Prison. I haven't tried to look for possible trial transcripts, > >but > >> > that would probably be an interesting dig, and would possibly shed some > >> > light on this Rainwater family tragedy. > >> > > >> > Dan Bruce > >> > > >> > At 12:26 PM 4/5/99 -0600, grm wrote: > >> > >Hi Dan, > >> > >Rev James' will dated 10 Jan 1863-proved 15 Dec 1871 clearly states > >> > >his son Zebulon Miles was deceased. (Ga Will Book B-pg 58-FHC# > >> > >0499880) and leaves a bequest for his widow and 5 children.He does > >> > >not mention his son Benjamin F. at all.Another researcher who is a > >> > >descendant of James the blacksmith states that the Zebulon who md > >> > >Rhoda Eskew was named Zebulon Joseph R-not Zebulon Miles.He > >> > >moved to Ark via Decatur Co.,Tn.He was bn 25 Feb 1823 inSpartanburg, > >> > >SC. He died 20 Jan 1889 in Ark.( I made a mistake, Kay, in the message > > > >> > >I just sent you about his middle name being Miles) > >> > >Glidie > >> > >---------- > >> > >> From: Dan Bruce <dwbrucejr@mindspring.com> > >> > >> To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com > >> > >> Subject: Re: [RAINWATER-L] Zebulon Miles Rainwater > >> > >> Date: Monday, April 05, 1999 10:38 AM > >> > >> > >> > >> MCar1310@aol.com indicates in a response to the attached note that > >> > >Zebulon > >> > >> Miles died about 1857, which other documentation seems to > >contradict, > >> and > >> > >> MCar1310 does mention some of the other documentation in the > >response. > >> > >> > >> > >> Documentation I have read shows that Benjamin F., youngest son of > >the > >> > >> Preacher, was killed on 12/8/1857. The Preacher's oldest son, > >Zebulon > >> > >> Miles, was accused of murdering Benjamin F. in an executive order > >> dated > >> > >> 1/14/1858 and Zebulon Miles Rainwater, convict#1975, entered the > >> Georgia > >> > >> State Prison on 2/19/1864 for murder. James(the Preacher) Rainwater > >> died > >> > >> around 6/22/1871, and although I don't recall if he indicates in his > >> will > >> > >> that Zebulon Miles was deceased, he clearly omits Zebulon Miles and > >> > >refers > >> > >> to Lilla Ann as parent to Zebulon Miles's children. My records have > >> > >always > >> > >> kept Zebulon Miles's date of death open. > >> > >> > >> > >> Dan Bruce > >> > >> > >> > >> At 08:16 AM 4/5/99 -0700, kay ohana wrote: > >> > >> >I was reading in this book several weeks ago and copied the > >statement > >> as > >> > >> >thus: > >> > >> > > >> > >> >>From The Georgia Black Book, The Rev. Silas Emmett Lucas, Jr.: > >> > >> >Governors Proclamation Book 1854-1869; In Campbell Co. GA on 8 > >> December > >> > >> >last Zebulon Miles Rainwater was murdered by Benj. F. Rainwater, > >> Issued > >> > >> >14 January 1858. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Then on 19 Feb. 1864 Zebulon Rainwater from Campbell County was > >> > >> >incarcerated. (Note: Dont know what for. Was this Zebulon Junior > >by > >> any > >> > >> >chance?) > >> > >> > > >> > >> >One of us is mixed up or we read difference parts of the book. Here > >> it > >> > >> >appears that Benj murdered Zebulon Miles on Dec 8, 1857. I went > >back > >> to > >> > >> >the FHC to reread this portion of the book, and it is missing from > >> the > >> > >> >library! Since Zebulon Miles nor Benj. F. are of my direct line I > >am > >> not > >> > >> >going to research it further, however, someone should try to find > >the > >> > >> >original documents for clarification. Sometimes published > >histories > >> do > >> > >> >not always get the facts straight. > >> > >> > > >> > >> >Kay from rainy and cold Northern CA. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== > >> > >> >To return to the list after being away on vacation, etc. just send > >> > >> >the one-word message SUBSCRIBE to: > >> > >> >rainwater-L-request@rootsweb.com. It's all automatic. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> Dan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== > >> > >> Tell friends and cousins about our RAINWATER family. > >> > >> To get on the list, send one-word message SUBSCRIBE to: > >> > >> rainwater-L-request@rootsweb.com It's all automatic. > >> > > > >> > Dan > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== > >> > This list is not for political discussions, seasonal greetings, jokes, > >> > and personal causes. Please keep messages oriented toward genealogy. > >> > Listowner can be reached at: schimmel@northlink.com > > > Dan
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There seems to be some researchers a bit upset concerning an occasional comment about "Northern and Southern" Rainwater families. I can understand someone whose ancestors came through Tennessee (rather than South Carolina or Georgia) raising their eyebrow when they are refered to as part of the "Northern" Rainwaters. Tennessee was part of the South during the Civil War and isn't considered a Northern State even today. Just a suggestion..... We all would be more accurate to refer to the particular State rather than 'North' or 'South' Rainwaters. If we are going to talk about cousins who migrated to, through, or from Tennessee, for instance, I can see greater accuracy by saying: "My grandad (or whomever) took the Tennessee route", or they took the SC>GA>AL Route. ....... Just a suggestion. Bob Schimmel