This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_916017695_boundary Content-ID: <0_916017695@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII This is unrelated, but could affect anyone of us. My wife was diagnosised with MS two years ago. now we wonder. --part0_916017695_boundary Content-ID: <0_916017695@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Leener24@aol.com Return-path: <Leener24@aol.com> To: SKRIVIES@aol.com, mpeterson@co.sanmateo.ca.us Subject: Fwd: PLEASE READ AND PASS ON FOR YOUR HEALTH! WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE ... Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 19:54:59 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_916017695_boundary" --part1_916017695_boundary Content-ID: <0_916017695@inet_out.mail.aol.com.3> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part1_916017695_boundary Content-ID: <0_916017695@inet_out.mail.aol.com.4> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: Texas429@aol.com Return-path: <Texas429@aol.com> To: tmachine@sprintmail.com, JVellu@aol.com, Swoosh4230@aol.com, KMeaux@iamerica.net, CReed79091@aol.com, TIPONE2@aol.com, Leener24@aol.com, Battist2@aol.com, Dj1gocanes@aol.com, toturner@nmsu.edu Subject: PLEASE READ AND PASS ON FOR YOUR HEALTH! WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the Date: Sun, 10 Jan 1999 10:03:45 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ya'll this sounds like very scarey stuff. Please take the time to read and pass on. Love, Tam > > WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL CONFERENCE and the MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS FOUNDATION > > F.D.A. ISSUING FOR COLLUSION WITH MONSANTO > > > > Article written by Nancy Markle (1120197) > > > > I have spent several days lecturing at the WORLD ENVIRONMENTAL > CONFERENCE > > on "ASPARTAME marketed as 'NutraSweet', 'Equal', and 'Spoonful"'. In the > > keynote address by the EPA, they announced that there was an epidemic of > > multiple sclerosis and systemic lupus, and they did not understand what > > toxin was causing this to be rampant across the United States. I > explained > > that I was there to lecture on exactly that > > subject. > > > > When the temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol > > in ASPARTAME coverts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in > > turn causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the > > sting of fire ants). The methanol toxicity mimics multiple sclerosis; > thus > > people were being diagnosed with having multiple sclerosis in error. > > > > The multiple sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity > > is. > > > > In the case of systemic lupus, we are finding it has become almost as > > rampant as multiple sclerosis, especially Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi > > drinkers. Also, with methanol toxicity, the victims usually drink three > > to four 12 oz. cans of them per day, some even more. In the cases of > > systemic lupus, which is triggered by ASPARTAME, the victim usually does > > not know that the aspartame is the culprit. The victim continues its use > > aggravating the lupus to such a degree, that sometimes it becomes life > > threatening. > > > > When we get people off the aspartame, those with systemic lupus usually > > become asymptomatic. Unfortunately, we can not reverse this disease. On > > the other hand, in the case of those diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, > > (when in reality, the disease is methanol toxicity), most of the > symptoms > > disappear. We have seen cases where their vision has returned and even > > their hearing has returned. This also applies to cases of tinnitus. > > > > During a lecture I said "If you are using ASPARTAME (NutraSweet, Equal, > > Spoonful, etc.) and you suffer from fibromyalgia symptoms, spasms, > > shooting pains, numbness in your legs, cramps, vertigo, dizziness, > > headaches, tinnitus, joint pain, depression, anxiety attacks, slurred > > speech, blurred vision, or memory loss -- you probably have ASPARTAME > > DISEASE!" > > > > People were jumping up during the lecture saying, "I've got this, is it > > reversible?" It is rampant. Some of the speakers at my lecture even were > > suffering from these symptoms. In one lecture attended by the Ambassador > > of Uganda, he told us that their sugar industry is adding aspartame! He > > continued by saying that one of the industry leader's son could no > longer > > walk - due in part by product usage! > > > > We have a very serious problem. Even a stranger came up to Dr. Espisto > > (one of my speakers) and myself and said, "Could you tell me why so many > > people seem to be coming down with MS?" > > > > During a visit to a hospice, a nurse said that six of her friends, who > > were heavy Diet Coke addicts, had all been diagnosed with MS. This is > > beyond coincidence. > > > > Here is the problem. There were Congressional Hearings when aspartame > was > > included in 100 different products. Since this initial hearing, there > have > > been two subsequent hearings, but to no avail. Nothing has been done. > The > > drug and chemical lobbies have very deep pockets. Now there are over > 5,000 > > products containing this chemical, and the PATENT HAS EXPIRED!!!!! > > > > At the time of this first hearing, people were going blind. The methanol > > in the aspartame converts to formaldehyde in the retina of the eye. > > Formaldehyde is grouped in the same class of drugs as cyanide and > > arsenic-- DEADLY POISONS!!! Unfortunately, it just takes longer to > > quietly kill, but it is killing people and causing all kinds of > > neurological problems. Aspartame changes the brain's chemistry. It is > > the reason for > > severe seizures. This drug changes the dopamine level in the brain. > > Imagine what this drug does to patients suffering from Parkinson's > > Disease. This drug also causes Birth Defects. > > > > There is absolutely no reason to take this product. It is NOT A DIET > > PRODUCT!!! The Congressional record said, "It makes you crave > > carbohydrates and will make you FAT". Dr. Roberts stated that when he > > got patients off aspartame, their average weight loss was 19 pounds per > > person. The formaldehyde stores in the fat cells, particularly in the > > hips and thighs. > > > > Aspartame is especially deadly for diabetics. All physicians know what > > wood alcohol will do to a diabetic. We find that physicians believe that > > they have patients with retinopathy, when in fact, it is caused by the > > aspartame. The aspartame keeps the blood sugar level out of control, > > causing many patients to go into a coma. Unfortunately, many have died. > > > > People were telling us at the Conference of the American College of > > Physicians, that they had relatives that switched from saccharin to an > > aspartame product and how that relative had eventually gone into a coma. > > > > Their physicians could not get the blood sugar levels under control. > Thus, > > the patients suffered acute memory loss and eventually coma and death. > > > > Memory loss is due to the fact that aspartic acid and phenylalanine are > > neurotoxic without the other amino acids found in protein. Thus it goes > > past the blood brain barrier and deteriorates the neurons of the brain. > > Dr. Russell Blaylock, neurosurgeon, said, "The ingredients stimulate the > > neurons of the brain to death, causing brain damage of varying degrees. > > Dr. Blaylock has written a book entitled "EXCITOTOXINS: THE TASTE THAT > > KILLS" (HealthPress 1-800-643-2665). Dr. H.J. Roberts, diabetic > > specialist and world expert on aspartame poisoning, has also written a > > book entitled "DEFENSE AGAINST ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE" (1-800-814-9800). > > Dr. Roberts tells how aspartame poisoning is escalating Alzheimer's > > Disease, and indeed it is. As the hospice nurse told me, women are being > > admitted at 30 years of age with Alzheimer's Disease. Dr. Blaylock and > Dr. > > Roberts will be writing a position paper with some case histories and > will > > post it on the Internet. According to the Conference of the American > > College of Physicians, 'We are talking about a plague of neurological > > diseases caused by this deadly poison". Dr. Roberts realized what was > > happening when aspartame was first marketed. He said "his diabetic > > patients presented memory loss, confusion, and severe vision loss". At > > the Conference of the American College of Physicians, > > doctors admitted that they did not know. They had wondered why seizures > > were > > rampant (the phenylalanine in aspartame breaks down the seizure > threshold > > and > > depletes serotonin, which causes manic depression, panic attacks, rage > and > > violence). > > > > Just before the Conference, I received a FAX from Norway, asking for a > > possible antidote for this poison because they are experiencing so many > > problems in their country. This poison is now available in 90 PLUS > > countries worldwide. Fortunately, we had speakers and ambassadors at the > > Conference from different nations who have pledged their help. We ask > that > > you help too. Print this article out and warn everyone you know. Take > > anything that contains aspartame black to the store. > > > > Take the "NO ASPARTAME TEST" and send us your case history. I assure > you > > that MONSANTO, the creator of aspartame, knows how deadly it is. They > fund > > the > > American Diabetes Association, American Dietetic Association, Congress, > > and the Conference of the American College of Physicians. The New York > > Times, on November 15, 1996, ran an article on how the American Dietetic > > Association takes money from the food industry to endorse their > products. > > Therefore, they can not criticize any additives or > > tell about their link to MONSANTO. > > > > How bad is this? We told a mother who had a child on NutraSweet to get > off > > the product. The child was having grand mal seizures every day. The > mother > > called her physician, who called the ADA, who told the doctor not to > take > > the child off the NutraSweet. We are still trying to convince the mother > > that the aspartame is causing the seizures. Every time we getsomeone off > > of aspartame, the seizures stop. If the baby dies, you know whose fault > it > > is, and what we are up against. There are 92 documented > > symptoms of aspartame, from coma to death. The majority of them are all > > neurological, because the aspartame destroys the nervous system. > > > > Aspartame Disease is partially the cause to what is behind some of the > > mystery of the Dessert Storm health problems. The burning tongue and > other > > problems discussed in over 60 cases can be directly related to the > > consumption of an aspartame product. Several thousand pallets of diet > > drinks were shipped to the Dessert Storm troops. (Remember heat can > > liberate the methanol from the aspartame at 86 degrees F). Diet drinks > sat > > in the 120 degree F. Arabian sun for weeks at a time on pallets. The > > service men and women drank them all day long. All of their symptoms are > > identical to > > aspartame poisoning. > > > > Dr. Roberts says "consuming aspartame at the time of conception can > cause > > birth defects". The phenylalanine concentrates in the placenta, causing > > mental retardation, according to Dr. Louis Elsas, Pediatrician Professor > - > > Genetics, at Emory University in his testimony before Congress. > > > > In the original lab tests, animals developed brain tumors (phenylalanine > > breaks down into DXP, a brain tumor agent). When Dr. Espisto was > lecturing > > on aspartame, one physician in the audience, a neurosurgeon, said, "when > > they remove brain tumors, they have found high levels of aspartame in > > them". > > > > Stevia, a sweet food, NOT AN ADDITIVE, which helps in the metabolism of > > sugar, which would be ideal for diabetics, has now been approved as a > > dietary supplement by the F.D.A. For years, the F.D.A. has outlawed this > > sweet food because of their loyalty to MONSANTO. > > > > If it says "SUGAR FREE" on the label-- DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!l! > > > > Senator Howard Hetzenbaum wrote a bill that would have warned all > infants, > > pregnant mothers and children of the dangers of aspartame. The bill > would > > have also instituted independent studies on the problems existing in the > > population (seizures, changes in brain chemistry, changes in > neurological > > and behavioral symptoms). It was killed by the powerful drug and > chemical > > lobbies, letting loose the hounds of diseaseand death on an > > unsuspecting public. Since the Conference of the American College of > > Physicians, we hope to have the help of some world leaders. > > > > Again, please help us too. There are a lot of people out there who must > be > > warned, please let them know this information. > > > > > > --------- End forwarded message ---------- > > --part1_916017695_boundary-- --part0_916017695_boundary--

Here is a transcription of the Deed that Bob Schimmel made reference in a recent posting from Page 12 of a recent Rainwater Researcher: State of Georgia Cherokee County This indenture made this seventh day of April in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and fifty six (1856) between Daniel Pettit and Letty Low and James E. Rainwater and Gabriel Rainwater each of the county and state aforesaid and heirs of Levi Rainwater, deceased, who was a private in Allisons 7th Reg. of Infantry in the Regular Army of the United States of America in the War of 1812 parties of the first part and Gain Robison of Roseville, state of Illinois and Solomon King, Andersonville, state of SC parties of the second part Witnesseth that the said parties of the first part for the sum of FIFTY DOLLARS lawful money of the USA to them in hand paid by the said Solomon King one of the parties of the first part at or before the ensealing and delivery of the presents the receipt whereof is hereby acknowledged have remised released and forever quit claimed and by these heirs and assigns forever all of the right title and interest with which they be seized or visited within or to all of a certain tract of land situated in the tract appropriated for military boundaries in the state of Illinois for the War of 1812 described as follows to wit: being the NE quarter of section fifteen (15) of Township twelve (12) North of the base line and of Range 3 West being the same tract granted by the United States to the aforesaid LEVI RAINWATER, a private in the War of 1812 and by letters patent dated the fifteenth day of of December 1818 reverence to which will more fully explain and the said parties of the first part for themselves their heirs and assigns do forever revise relinquish sell and quit claim all their said right title and interest in of or to the above mentioned premises unto the said parties of the second part their heirs and assigns forever. In witness whereof the said parties of the first part have hereunto set their hands and Seals the day and year above written. Signed and sealed and del in presense James Rainwater (seal) of John D. Pettit, James p. Wigley Gabriel Rainwater (seal) L. V. Rodgers Letty Low (seal)

I'd like to add my CONGRATS to Bob for a GREAT JOB on this mailing list. I have seen more really great exchanges of information on this list than on any other lists that I subscribe to. Thanks, Bob, and to all the cousins who are participating. John Haynes, Anchorage, Alaska HAYNES - McDONALD Web Site http://www.micronet.net/users/~haymac/

Neil - You may already have this but thought it might help if you didn't. I'm not descended from James but had this in my file. You may also take a look at the message posted from Mary Ellen Williams Carlton on todays date under the subject of Rev. James Rainwater. This article was taken from "HISTORY OF THE BAPTIST DENOMINATION IN GEORGIA" with Biographical Compendium and Portrait Gallery of Baptist Ministers and Other Georgia Baptists, and compiled for the Christian Index and Published by Jas. P. Harrison & Co., Printers and Publishers, 1881, Atlanta, GA. The article is listed verbatim: JAMES RAINWATER: This venerable father in Israel has left behind him the memory of a life stretching through seventy-six years, marked throughout by a pure morality, and hallowed for more than half a century by simple yet strong faith in Christ. In him were fulfilled those words of Scripture: "The hoary head is a crown of glory, if it be found in the way of righteousness." "The days of the years of his pilgrimage" began in Spartanburgh district, South Carolina, January 13th, 1795. No record of his early youth survives; but in the year 1820 he made a profession of faith in Christ and connected himself with the Philadelphia Baptist church, in his native district. Five years later that church granted him authority to preach, and we quote the document of licensure in full, for the sake of a notable peculiarity of phrase, which may or may not have been partially current at that time: "State of South Carolina, Spartanburgh District: We, the Baptist Church of Christ at Philadelphia, believing that a dispensation of the Gospel has been committed to the charge of our beloved brother, James Rainwater, therefore tolerate him to preach the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, in any part of the world where God, in his providence, may call him. Done in church conference, this 12th day of March, 1825, and signed by order of the church. Moses H. Smith, C.C." This action was followed by his ordination, January 6th, 1826, the presbytery consisting of Revs. Thomas Bomar, Gabriel Phillips, T.P. Hernden, Miles Rainwater and Nathan Langston. He became pastor of the Philadelphia church, and held that position until November, 1835, when he removed to Georgia and settled in Coweta County. After a residence there of ten or twelve years, he transferred his home to Campbell county, where the rest of his life was passed in simplicity of spirit and in useful toil. He served Macedonia church, Coweta county, twenty-two years, and Antioch, Meriwether county, twenty-five years besides ministering for a number of years to Ramah, Providence, Enon and Bethlehem churches, Campbell county, Carrollton and Pleasant Grove churches, Caroll county, and still others. Deprived in a large degree of the advantages of early education, he was possessed of a vigorous, well-balanced mind, which, united with his deep piety and untiring energy, made him a power, among the churches of his day. Endowed with a sound constitution, and a full, strong voice, his love for the name and the cause of Christ led him to undergo physical labors that would have shattered the health of ordinary men. He feared not to attack error and sin in any of their Protean forms; and he discharged this usually unwelcome task with such earnestness of purpose and meekness of manner as to secure the respect and confidencre of all classes. This was exemplified by his bold advocacy of temperance when its friends were few and its enemies numerous and powerful, and by the success which crowned that advocacy. But that which is first in importance was always first in his affection; he found his chief delight in "preaching Jesus and the resurrection," and few men have been more effective in winning souls to the Redeemer. Mr. Rainwater continued in charge of his churches until a few years before his death, when the infirmities of old age compelled him to relinquish them. Even then, unlike the soldier who retires, when wounded, from the line of battle, he persisted, as often as opportunity allowed, in lifting up his voice in warning, even after disease had broken it. It would be easy for the reader to judge what manner of death must follow such a life. But the record is pleasant, and we make it, less because it is necessary than because we love to speak of it. His last admonition to his brethren on his dying bed was "Pray for the salvation of sinners" and "Clear as the clearest" were his ringing words of reply, when a friend asked whether he saw his way clear. In this frame of mind, the torch of mortal life went out, June 22d, 1871. To him the tomb was the gateway to the skies; and, doubtless, his enfranchised spirit "leaped with joy" out of the prison-house of clay into the heavenly temple. He was married in the fall of 1817 to Miss Polly Mason, of Spartanburgh district, South Carolina, and in the spring of 1859 to Mrs. Nancy Dobbs, near Villa Rica, Carroll county, Georgia. The first wife became the mother of twelve children, of whom four only are living. (end of article). The picture enclosed with the article depicts an older gentleman, in suit and tie, white hair with receding hair line, approximate age 65-70, prominent nose, large ears and high cheekbones. One eye appears to be "fatigued", or more tired (weaker) than the other. Hope this helps. Eddie -----Original Message----- From: Neil Rainwater <nrainh2o@bellsouth.net> To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com <RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 09, 1999 4:07 PM Subject: [RAINWATER-L] Rev. James Rainwater Spartanburgh SC >Looking for information on Rev. James Rainwater (b. 13 Jan 1795 >Spartanburgh, SC & d. 24 or 22 Jun 1871 Campbell Cty GA) parents and >grandparents. Rev James married to Mary Polley/Polly (Mason) and had the > >following children: >(1) Emily B. >(2) Zebulon Miles >(3) Joseph E >(4) Clara "Clary" >(5) Sarah "Sally" >(6) Elizabeth >(7) Christiana >(8) Frances E. >(9) Benjamin F. >(10) Katherine >(11) Martha & >(12) Blewmer? >Rev. James also married to Nancy A. Dobbs. I am a descendant of the 2nd >child - Zebulon Miles > > > > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >Complaints/suggestions to listowner: >schimmel@northlink.com >

All please not, I made and error and forgot the word "not" in this post. It should have read..... So when someone claims their family tradition says there was an Indian Princess in their ancestory, we should *NOT* laugh too loudly. However, looking for Chief Rainwater of So-and-so Tribe will lead not to European Rainwater stock, but to a long-dead ancestor who just happened to have a similiar identification. Regards, Bob

Looking for information on Rev. James Rainwater (b. 13 Jan 1795 Spartanburgh, SC & d. 24 or 22 Jun 1871 Campbell Cty GA) parents and grandparents. Rev James married to Mary Polley/Polly (Mason) and had the following children: (1) Emily B. (2) Zebulon Miles (3) Joseph E (4) Clara "Clary" (5) Sarah "Sally" (6) Elizabeth (7) Christiana (8) Frances E. (9) Benjamin F. (10) Katherine (11) Martha & (12) Blewmer? Rev. James also married to Nancy A. Dobbs. I am a descendant of the 2nd child - Zebulon Miles

I am trying to track down where the documentation is that Isaac Edwards was the father of Nancy Edwards. I have a Family Bible record for the family of William Edwards b. June 22, 1760, son of Edward Edwards, and Mildred Smith b. Oct. 13, 1764, daughter of William Smith, children (with exact dates of birth given and spouses in some cases) Elizabeth, Nancy (b. Jan. 9, 1788, m. Miles Rainwater), Enoch, William, Isaac, Newman, Georgia. Is it possible that the information that you referred to was about the brothers of Nancy (wife of Miles Rainwater), and that brother Isaac also had a daughter Nancy? This Bible looks very reliable. Joseph B. Lambert At 11:29 AM 1/9/99 -0500, you wrote: >Don't know if this information will help any...Article appeared in the Spartan >Baptist Asociation for Philadelphia Church in S. C. page 92; Miles Rainwater >was ordained to the gospel ministry by Cedar Shoals 24 May 1817, and was >called as pastor. Born 31 Oct 1787 Miles marr Nancy Edwards, daughter of >Isaac Edwards, they had the following children: Mary, Miles, Milly, Vashti, >Mariah, Silas Mercer and Jane Amanda, exactly as listed in Will (Petition, >dated 10 Sep 1840). The last sermon preached by Miles was in Woodruff, SC. >Miles went to the home of John Brewton, member, to spend the night. He became >violently ill in the night and died soon after, 5 Jul 1826. He had been >afflicted with the illness about 5 years. Evidently Miles was a powerful >preacher, few there were that could resist his message. He owned several >hundred acres of land in Cedar Shoals, SC. His relative (cousin), James >Rainwater was called to serve the church b. 1795 SC, marr Polly Mason, 1817, >later moved to Ga. > Added note: In the will of Spencer Bobo, Spartanburg Dist., rec. 5 July >1816 he mentions that he appointed as manager to Upper Cedar Shoals Church, >Joseph Barnett and Miles Rainwater. > Adden note: Nancy Edwards was daughter of Isaac Edwards and he had a >brother named William. they both signed for Nancy to get guardian papers on >death of her husband, for her children. Mcarl310 > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >This list is not for political discussions >or seasonal greetings. >Complaints/suggestions to: schimmel@northlink.com > Joseph B. Lambert Department of Chemistry Northwestern University 2145 Sheridan Road Evanston, IL 60208-3113 Telephone 847-491-5437 Fax 847-491-7713 E-mail lambert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu or jlambert@nwu.edu Webpage http://www.chem.nwu.edu/~lambert/ (best with Netscape 3.0 or higher)

Today just wrote a note on Miles RAINWATER. About an article that appeared in the "Spartan Baptist Association for Philadelphia Church in S.C.", page 82. That is where the info came about Nancy Edwards, daughter of Issac Edwards, marr to Miles RAINWATER. My interest in the article repeats the info that Miles and the Rev. James were cousins. I do not have copy of the article. But a library with Gen. holdings might have the book. I live in Dallas, Texas and they have a lot of books on the early Baptist churches with names and biographies. If you have Bible information to the contrary, I suggest to clear up some records that might be in error, by sending your information to this group, and cite where the Bible records came from, and who last owned the Bible. That would be a great help to group, and would clear up false leads for that branch of family. Also mention of that article appears in "My Folks II, by Thelma Sargent, a book at Family History Library. Hope I am not adding to confusion about RAINWATERS. Mary Ellen Carlton

Hello all, Maybe it is the euphoria of this thing exploding as it has, but let me put forth this, I live in Rowan County, NC. While there were few if any Rainwaters who migrated here, Rowan County is one of the oldest if not oldest unburned counties in NC and I volunteer at the History Room of the Rowan County Library. This is a grand library and possesses several collections, most famous of which is the McCubbins Collection. If you have related families let me know. I am not a professional genealogist, but have been bite by the bug for over 22 years and have gone to Samford University for a couple of the weeklong seminars at the IGHR Center. Depending upon the amount of requests I would try to help anyone I could. I have not decided whether to make it gratis or if there should be a fee. Give me some input. Perhaps I am violating Rootsweb rules, duh, just thought of that. Another idea, Surry County is just north of Rowan County, in fact 33 western NC counties like Iredell, Burke, etc were formed form old Rowan Co, NC. Anyway, if someone can think of possible leads on looking for old John and his wife and kids in Surry, it is not too far to Dobson(the County Seat) and Hogans Creek (duh, this is from memory). Hope our glee over what Bob Schimmel has created here does not cause Rootsweb to crash!!!!! Don Pruitt

In a message dated 1/9/99 9:03:18 AM Central Standard Time, COYOTE@vtc.net writes: > > Dear family, > hi, i thought all discussions were supposed to be private. Thanks for > opening this door. > Love you all, > Az. Coyote Rachel Sue (Lewallen/Rainwater descendant) > Hello Group! My comments to Bob were not to ruffle any feathers within our group. I was just suggesting that replies to query's go back to the group so that others can see the replies to compare information etc. That way, say if someone posts on a William Rainwater, for example, those that are also researching with a William in their line will also see the replies. That way, everyone is seeing the replies, can posts responses and keep this list active. May I suggest that when you reply to a query, you "reply to all" on your return, (AOL has this feature) this will send it back through our list on Rootsweb. But of course, you may reply privately to the post also, this is just a suggestion on my part. I would also like to give a BIG THANK YOU to Bob Schimmel for getting us on Rootsweb!! This gives us another valuable resource in our quest for the Rainwater's! Happy Hunting! Lisa Rainwater <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/nrainh20/index.html">Lisa's Home page</A>

In a message dated 99-01-08 22:50:08 EST, you write: << Subj: [RAINWATER-L] Forward of a discussion Date: 99-01-08 22:50:08 EST From: schimmel@northlink.com (Bob Schimmel) Reply-to: schimmel@northlink.com To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com > Bob: > > Did our JohnxSusannah have sons named Benjamin and James? See Mary Ellen > Carlton's email to the list Jan. 8th. Or, did I misunderstand her letter. > Betty Hi Betty: As far as I know (someone please tell me if I'm wrong) there is NO conclusive proof John had the sons Benjamin and James. HOWEVER, the 1800 SC census of John 3 males that have not been accounted for. There is considerable debate about Benjamin, mostly because he was so close in proximity when the 1800 Spartanburgh census was taken. He disappeared shortly after. Gail Wilson told me Ben died 1828, which means BEFORE John. The 1800 census lists Ben as between the ages of 26 and 45 ( 20010-10100-00). Even if he were only 26 in 1800, death by the year 1828 means he was at minimum 54 years old. Some say Ben died 'young', but 54 is not exactly 'young'. Benjamin, John, James, and Robert were all in SC at the time of the census. That Robert (or his namesake son apparently went to southern Alabama (Washington County, Mississippi Territory) by 1808. As I said, as far as I am concerned James is not for sure a son of johnXsusannah. Since he was closeby during the 1800 census, maybe more guessing than fact has occurred. James is not listed in the will of John (1832), which is one indicator he is not that particular John's son. Right now I have sooooo many Jameses in the file, I'm NOT making any attachments until someone comes up with a GA church record where James himself said who his father was (or some other good documentation). The third unknown male listed in the household of JohnxSusannah is very likely Levi. There is one fellow who has done considerable research since he descends from Levi. He has found a land sales record (military land) in Illinois (of all places) where the heirs of Levi sell the land. One of the signers of the sales was "Letta Low". The mother of Pickney Lowe was "Letta" and Pink was married the widow Martha Ann Collins-Wright. When Pink was killed shortly thereafter in the CW, Martha re-married to Wilkes B. Rainwater, son of William, son of John. That's my wife's line, so consequently Levi's descendant and I have spent some time comparing files and running senarios.....all which means more guessing....but at least there are some hard records with which to work. Bob Betty, I am the descendant of Levi who has found the connection thru the ILL land record and their also is another James E. Rainwater (preacher man, no less) who was a son of Levi and brother to my ggg-gf Gabriel Rainwater. Would love to hear from you. Is this not great, we might still get all this right. Don Pruitt SaZaBY ==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== Complaints/suggestions to listowner: schimmel@northlink.com ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <RAINWATER-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (rly-zc01.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.1]) by air-zc04.mail.aol.com (v55.5) with SMTP; Fri, 08 Jan 1999 22:50:08 -0500 Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by rly-zc01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id WAA12312; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 22:50:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA21855; Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:48:16 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 19:48:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199901090349.UAA16653@northlink.com> From: "Bob Schimmel" <schimmel@northlink.com> Old-To: rainwater-l@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 20:49:09 -0700 Reply-to: schimmel@northlink.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Subject: [RAINWATER-L] Forward of a discussion Resent-Message-ID: <"pxlKfB.A.QVF.-Ftl2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/37 X-Loop: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: RAINWATER-L-request@rootsweb.com >>

Don't know if this information will help any...Article appeared in the Spartan Baptist Asociation for Philadelphia Church in S. C. page 92; Miles Rainwater was ordained to the gospel ministry by Cedar Shoals 24 May 1817, and was called as pastor. Born 31 Oct 1787 Miles marr Nancy Edwards, daughter of Isaac Edwards, they had the following children: Mary, Miles, Milly, Vashti, Mariah, Silas Mercer and Jane Amanda, exactly as listed in Will (Petition, dated 10 Sep 1840). The last sermon preached by Miles was in Woodruff, SC. Miles went to the home of John Brewton, member, to spend the night. He became violently ill in the night and died soon after, 5 Jul 1826. He had been afflicted with the illness about 5 years. Evidently Miles was a powerful preacher, few there were that could resist his message. He owned several hundred acres of land in Cedar Shoals, SC. His relative (cousin), James Rainwater was called to serve the church b. 1795 SC, marr Polly Mason, 1817, later moved to Ga. Added note: In the will of Spencer Bobo, Spartanburg Dist., rec. 5 July 1816 he mentions that he appointed as manager to Upper Cedar Shoals Church, Joseph Barnett and Miles Rainwater. Adden note: Nancy Edwards was daughter of Isaac Edwards and he had a brother named William. they both signed for Nancy to get guardian papers on death of her husband, for her children. Mcarl310

In answer to Bruce's query. I didn't quite understand what you were trying to put forward. But will answer with what I have in my records. Nothing about this branch of Rainwaters is written in stone, when you get this far back (nor in many records either). Only preponderance of evidence...but should be noted what information leads that way, and always a note saying no proof is evident. Anyway..Part of my Lineages research follows: Polley Mason, wife of James Rainwater was a daughter of Francis & Ellender (Hammett) Mason. Francis made his will on 4 Nov 1825, naming his daughter Polley Rainwater as well as his other children, and died circa 28 Nov 1825, when his will was proved. The significance of this piece of evidence is that Francis Mason lived near only one Rainwater in Spartanburg Dist. SC. In 1800 Francis Mason was enumerated on the same page of the U.S. census as Benjamin Rainwater. More importantly, Francis Mason and Benjamin Rainwater were neighbors. On 18 Apr 1801, Isaac Tinsley sold to Josiah Hatchet land on Ford's creek bounded on the west by Francis Mason, on the north by Seay and Hunt, on the east by Benjamin Rainwater, and on south by Underwood. Josiah then sold the land to James Mayson (sic) on 29 Oct 1801. Benjamin Rainwaters (sic) purchased additional land in the same area from Isaac Tinsley in 1803. On 18 Sept 1809, Benjamin purchased a further tract from James & and Elizabeth Hewett that adjoined Mason. Other deeds demonstrate that Francis Mason and Benjamin Rainwater lived on adjoining land. According to info submitted by the client, the Rev. James Rainwater was born on 13 Jan 1795. In 1800 Benjamin Rainwater had two males in his household aged under ten, while in 1820, he had only one male in his household aged sixteen to twenty-six. Thus, the evidence indicated that Benjamin Rainwater had 2 sons of about the same age as the ancestor James Rainwater, one of whom was no longer living at home in 1820, and that Benjamin Rainwater lived next to Francis Mason, father of James Rainwater's wife Polley. Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that Benjamin Rainwater almost certainly was the father of the Rev. James Rainwater. Nw I will look up what I have on file for James Rainwater, the blacksmith and report later. Mary Ellen Williams Carlton mcarl310@aol.com

Dear family, hi, i thought all discussions were supposed to be private. Thanks for opening this door. Love you all, Az. Coyote Rachel Sue (Lewallen/Rainwater descendant)

I have been on this newsletter list for about 5 months, and it has been sometime since I communicated, I have just been "Lurking" and waiting for someone to mention Lucinda. Wanted to renew my query to say that I am looking for information on my gr, gr,gr,grandmother, Lucinda Rainwater born ca. 1823 who married Andrew Jackson King . Census records state she was born in NC. she married Andrew probably in Sevier County, Tn. Am looking for any info to link her with another Rainwater. So far, just much speculation, no documented proof. Sevier County, Tn is a burned county, so no info there before 1856. ALthough the county was founded in 1796. Andrew Jackson King's family came from SC to TN, their children are all listed as all born in TN, tho there are no Rainwaters in Sevier County, there are some found in adjoining Jefferson County, which does have all their old records, and is the second oldest in TN. I It would be a guess that Lucinda is related to the Jefferson County Rainwaters, by their close proximity at least.Does anyone have any info on this? Thanks, Genie

Bob: Info. I mailed you before. Others might be interested. ======================== 1. A John Fortenberry on a tax list, 1813, for Franklin Co., TN 2. Taken from "Estate Records of Edgecombe Co. NC 1730-1820 by Joseph W. Watson HAYNES (HAINES, HAYNS), THOMAS, account of sale by Jas. Spier, Sheriff, held at the house of Eliza. Haynes, widow and admrx. of the decd, May 25, 1741. A Mr. Smith, probably Tho. Smith, bought almost all of the estate. Additional inventory taken by Eliz. Hayns, admrx., May Ct. 174-. Account of additional sale of part of the estate, July 11, 1743. Sale of part of the estate by Sam'l Williams, Sheriff, Aug. 10, 1743, Aug. Ct. 1f746. Orphan Thomas Hamlin Haines chose Robt. Brinkley, Esq., as guardian, June 28, 1758. (Ct. Min.) 3. From: "War of 1812 Bounty Lands in Illinois" indexed by Lowell M. Volkel., Illinois State Archives, etc. ABSTRACT Date of patent Sept. 15, 1818 No. of Warrant 18903 Name of patentee Levi Rainwater, Private, Allison's 7th infantry Description of Tract: Quarter Sec. NE. 15 Township 12n range 3W To whom delivered: L. Rainwater, P>O>, Cross Anchor, S.C. When delivered Sept. 28, 1818 Doc. No. 262 On page 471 of the book Betty

Bob - I am descended from Mary Rainwater, who was a sister of Wilks Rainwater, son of William Rainwater and wife Lydia. Mary married Cornelius Fortenberry. Do you have any info on William and possibly Lydia's maiden name? I have searched the Cherokee County, AL area, since that is where they were in 1850, and found a little info but not much since Cherokee is a burned county. Just joined this board as I am new to Rootsweb. Any info appreciated. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Schimmel <schimmel@northlink.com> To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com <RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, January 08, 1999 9:47 PM Subject: [RAINWATER-L] Forward of a discussion > > >> Bob: >> >> Did our JohnxSusannah have sons named Benjamin and James? See >Mary Ellen >> Carlton's email to the list Jan. 8th. Or, did I misunderstand her letter. >> Betty > > >Hi Betty: >As far as I know (someone please tell me if I'm wrong) there is NO >conclusive proof John had the sons Benjamin and James. HOWEVER, the >1800 SC census of John 3 males that have not been accounted for. > >There is considerable debate about Benjamin, mostly because he was so >close in proximity when the 1800 Spartanburgh census was taken. He >disappeared shortly after. Gail Wilson told me Ben died 1828, which >means BEFORE John. The 1800 census lists Ben as between the ages of >26 and 45 ( 20010-10100-00). Even if he were only 26 in 1800, death by >the year 1828 means he was at minimum 54 years old. Some say Ben >died 'young', but 54 is not exactly 'young'. > >Benjamin, John, James, and Robert were all in SC at the time of the >census. That Robert (or his namesake son apparently went to southern >Alabama (Washington County, Mississippi Territory) by 1808. > >As I said, as far as I am concerned James is not for sure a son of >johnXsusannah. Since he was closeby during the 1800 census, maybe >more guessing than fact has occurred. James is not listed in the will of >John (1832), which is one indicator he is not that particular John's son. >Right now I have sooooo many Jameses in the file, I'm NOT making any >attachments until someone comes up with a GA church record where >James himself said who his father was (or some other good documentation). > >The third unknown male listed in the household of JohnxSusannah is very >likely Levi. There is one fellow who has done considerable research since >he descends from Levi. He has found a land sales record (military land) in >Illinois (of all places) where the heirs of Levi sell the land. One of the >signers of the sales was "Letta Low". The mother of Pickney Lowe was >"Letta" and Pink was married the widow Martha Ann Collins-Wright. When >Pink was killed shortly thereafter in the CW, Martha re-married to Wilkes B. >Rainwater, son of William, son of John. That's my wife's line, so >consequently Levi's descendant and I have spent some time comparing files >and running senarios.....all which means more guessing....but at least there >are some hard records with which to work. > >Bob > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >Complaints/suggestions to listowner: >schimmel@northlink.com >

> In Spartanburg, SC Dec. 1833 my gg grandfather Thomas HAYNES, s/o > James G. HAYNES, at the Estate Sale of personal property of John > RAINWATER, dec'd, bought for $3.50 the "Large Family Bible" John > RAINWATER and wife Susannah were parents of Rebecca RAINWATER who > married James G. HAYNES. and Jane RAINWATER who married John > FORTENBERRY. Thomas HAYNES, b. 1805 in SC, married Margaret FORTENBERRY > d/o John FORTENBERRY and Jane RAINWATER. > Thomas HAYNES died 27 Feb 1880 Hart Co GA, buried in Sardis Baptist > Church Cemetery there. At the time of his death, he was living with his > youngest daughter, Mary Ann HAYNES, who was married to John M. NEESE, > all living in Hart Co. GA at that time. The JOHN RAINWATER "Large Family > Bible", which I feel sure must contain valuable information on the > RAINWATER and allied families, may still be in the possession of any of > the children/descendants of > Thomas HAYNES. Since he was living with his daughter, > Mary Ann HAYNES NEESE at time of death. Bible could be in the > possession of one of the John M. NEESE descendants. > > If anyone has any knowledge of the whereabouts of the JOHN > RAINWATER "Large Family Bible" please contact me, John L. Haynes via > email or > tel 907-337-1925 or fax 907-337-1926. Any leads greatly appreciated. > > John Haynes, Anchorage, Alaska > Email: jjhaynes@micronet.net >

> I realize this isn't directly a Rainwater question, but has anyone run > across any Townsends in Crawford County Arkansas? Della Townsend (b17 Dec > 1888 Natural Dam, Crawford, AR) married John Sanborn Rainwater (b 11 Jan > or Jul 1885) there probably around the turn of the century (1900ish). Her > father's name was Joseph R. Townsend, who owned 120 acres in Crawford > County (bought 12/27/1895). That's all I know about the family. Any more > out there? > > Thanks, > Bliss > > You would likely find the answer to your question and a whole lot more by writing postal mail to: Glen and Doris Rainwater 6000 Rainwater Drive Uniontown, AR 72995 They are not on computer, but are direct descendants of John Sanford. Regards, Bob Schimmel

------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- > >Bob, I read almost all the Rainwater postings. From time to time I see >where people are claiming to be full blooded Native Americans >with the name RAINWATER. > >It has been my understanding that the RAINWATER name is an old>English >name going back many many years. Since I have no docoumentation on >this, I don't want to make a contrary posting. > >Can you clear this up for me. > >Thanks In Advance > >Coy B. Hodge Sr. HM1/USN/RET >Thomasville, NC 27360 > > > Hello Coy, Nice to hear from you again. Some few of the Rainwater 'clans' have provable Indian blood. There are a few Rainwaters listed in the Oklahoma Territory census rolls. However, in every accurately investigated case of which I am aware, the native American blood originated with a female, that is,an Indian married into European Rainwater stock. No one has ever proven a male Rainwater to be "full- blooded" Indian. No doubt there are many of the Rainwater cousins with some native American blood coursing through their veins, but just try and prove it with documents! My wife is one of those. Her ggrandmother is said to have been Creek Indian, but the photo of ggrandpa Rainwater shows he obviously is not. Full-blooded native Americans do not grow FULL beards. Folks have forwarded to me over the years many pictures of Rainwater males, most with considerable facial hair evident. Marriage across racial lines in the very early days of this country was somewhat common. Not as today, then little note was taken of the cross- overs. So when a Euopean male married an "Indian" woman it was not a big deal. Her parents farmed, and had a written language, and lived in a house the same as the Europeans, and dressed in European-style gowns and suit and tie. It is no doubt "Indian" blood did mix in, but only *mix*. The same is true in the reverse. Males with considerable native American heritage were married to 'European' Rainwater females. Two of the heavily- Indian surnames that come immediately to my mind are Snapp (TN<TX) and Sizemore (AL and MS). I'm certain there are others. So when someone claims their family tradition says there was an Indian Princess in their ancestory, we should laugh too loudly. However, looking for Chief Rainwater of So-and-so Tribe will lead not to European Rainwater stock, but to a long-dead ancestor who just happened to have a similiar identification. Regards, Bob