Hi, Just finished viewing the H2O URL page........and had a question> I noticed that Rainwater and Rainwaters is used as interchangeable names..........Did some members go by Rainwaters and others by Rainwater, or did the writer intend to say Rainwater's when mentioning multiple people???? I have noticed several other queries asking about a Rainwaters Family.......Is there a Rainwaters Family???? Are they connected???? Hal

Hi John.......don't think that my message said that Miles was son of John Sr..........below as my file indicates: John Sr---Mary Fussell------John ca 1700-1777 James----1736- ca 1805 Miles----- ca 1787--ca 1826 Nancy Edwards Although James would have been 56 or 57 at Miles birth, Miles was listed as youngest child having data available....below Miles was a note that a John, a Moses, and two unnamed daughters were also born to this family..... I have no argument with act that little data has been found to firmly fix these early families exactly.......although those published by prior researchers list the family as above..... Hal

Don't know but: James Rainwater, born ca 1791, son of William Rainwater born 1756 Surry Co., NC.......Married Catherine McCall about 1810, she born 1798, included children; Eli D Rainwater b. 1811 in NC Crawford Rainwater Sanford Rainwater Milas M Rainwater b 1821 in NC Louisa Rainwater, b NC marr in TN to James Burchfield 28 June 1847 William J Rainwater b 1832 in NC marr in TN to Mary Blackwell 14 Dec 1842. James had brothers Vincent b. 1792 probably Surry Co., NC and William b. ca 1794 probably Surry Co., NC. Vincent had children: Newsom Rainwater, b 1812 Elizabeth Rainwater, b 1818; and Cynthia b 1820; all in NC All data from Webber "Rainwater Genealogy" Hal in foggy Northern California!

---------- > From: > To: Rainwater <Rainwater-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re:Hugh Rainwater > Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 10:18 PM > > Hi Larry, > I'll give you what I have on Hugh and Sarah (Mary) West Rainwater. > He says he was bn in NC. On the 1830 census he is in Jefferson Co., Tn with his parents John and Mary (Cunningham) Rainwater. There are 2 males 15-20; 1 male 20-30 and 1 male 40-50; 2 females under 5;2 females 5-10; 2 females 10-15;1 female 15-20; and 1 female 30-40. Quite a family. > On the 1840 census he shows up in Jackson Co.,Ala-which is in the > extreme northeastern part of the state.In the household he has; > 1001100 males;100100 females,which means that he has another male > almost as old as himself in the house. The only other Rainwater in Jackson > Co at the same time is Catherine Rainwater with 3 females under 5 and > 1 female of 30 and under 40 (herself).Evidently her husband is deceased. > (GS#0002333-pg 20 and 21) > > Hugh and family is in Springfield Twp.,Lawrence Co.,Ark by 1850. The > census was taken 17 Nov 1850.(GS#0002481-pg335b; dwelling 625;family > 625) > Hugh Rainwater-age 36 minister-bn NC > Sarah " -age31 bn Ala > Mary M. " -age 14 bn Ala > William C. " -age12 bn Ala > Francis M.(m) -age 10 bn Ala > John M. " -age 6 bn Ala > Riley G. " -age 4 bn Ala > Elvera Lee " -age 1 bn Ala > > This would indicate that they moved in 1849 as the next child is bn in Ark. > > on the 1860 census they are in Black River Twp,Powhatan,Lawrence Co.,Ark. > more children; > Adaline J. -age 10 bn Ark > Sarah E. -age 6 bn Ark > Arasmas Jasper-age 6/12 (he's in the household with Abraham O'Neal) > > On the 1870 census they are still in Powhatan. with 1 more child. > Joseph Thomas-age 8 1870. > > Mary M-bn 9 Oct 1836-md Dr. Thomas J. Guthrie (bn 24 Feb 1818-died > 1 Jan 1903) 24 Jan 1856 (Bk B pg 160) She died 20 Jan 1917. > Francis Marion md Nancy H.Phillips-8 Dec 1865 (Bk C-pg 209) > Riley Gilmore bn 21 Jun 1846 md Nancy Oldham (bn 6 May 1848-died 15 > Nov 1913) he died 1 Jul 1918-md 25 Dec 1865 (Bk C-pg219) > Elvera (Elvira) md Mote Lindsey 5 Feb 1871 (Bk D-pg 104) > Adaline J. md John Cross 24 Feb 1877 (Bk E-pg194) > Sarah E. md Joseph L.Phillips 10 Oct 1879 (Bk F-pg 129) > Arasmas Jasper bn Nov 1859 md Clementine Gattiz (Geddes) 13 Mar 1884 (Bk H-pg 169) > Joseph Thomas md Dolly Combs 23 Sep 1885 (Bk H pg 336) > > Riley and Nancy are buried in the Holobaugh Cem, Lawrence Co.,Ark. > Hugh and Sarah buried in a family plot on the Jessie Craig farm-across > Flat Creek.Hugh was bn 18 Aug 1814 NC and died 18 Dec 1874 > Sarah was bn 11 Dec 1819 and died 3 Apr 1875. > There is a sketch about Hugh in the "History of Arkansas Methodism" by James A. Anderson c1935-pg 488-489. Estate papers for Hugh CUNNINGHAM in Richmond,NC showed the following: Hugh Cunningham died probably in late summer or early fall in `1857. In Jan term 1858, B.B.McKenzie, his administrator,petitioned the court to sell the land of his "intestate" (Hugh). The land was a tract of 250 acres in Richmond Co on the forks of Rocky Frok worth $1.50 to $2.00 per acre. The land descended to Hugh Rainwaters(sic) and the children of Mary Rainwaters, his heirs at law "who are not residents of this state." The court ordered that publication be made within the state requiring the defendants to appear at the Mar term of court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions on the third Monday in Apr to show cause why a sale may not be decreed. As the estate papers contain an account of the sale, apparently no heirs appeared to object to the sale.They probably never saw the advertisement in the papers and never even knew of their inheritance until after the sale. The information above came from Sandy Patterson (Mrs.Irvin V) of Lee's Summit, Missouri. I plan to check it out the next time I'm in Salt Lake, which will be the 15th Jan. I would like to find the final settlement papers for him. I have found the filing of the petition for probate for Hugh in Ark by his son Francis Marion . Hugh died "intestate" so an inventory had to be made of his holdings. (GS#1290718-Bk D pg 261). As I said, this is only the first paper filed, there are a lot more. His land:Hugh Rainwater;Vol.Ar0830.007 Land Ofc.Batesville, 30 Sep 1873. Doc.#7659,Cash Entry,;Part # 1:W NW. Sec 35 Twp 17N R2W -Part # 2:N SW,Sec 35,Twp 17 N,R2W containing 160 acres. There is (or was) a researcher named Edward T.Bearden,1257 W.Maple Rd Flint,Mich 48507 working on this line. I have several more I'll have to dig out also. Sorry about the last message-my computer blipped and I lost the message. (it got mailed un-completed.) Glidie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Someone asked the other day if I had any information on William Rainwater (b 1806, d 1866) who had been murdered by 2 of his sons. Well, I actually found it! The URL is below Bliss http://members.aol.com/NRAINH20/Rainwater.html

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BE3D9E.3D27D3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Bob, I goofed and forgot a couple of letters. I'll get the hang of this eventually. I'm more used to the typewriter. Glidie ---------- > From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@ns1.castlenet.com> > To: grm@castlenet.com > Subject: Returned mail: User unknown > Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 8:01 PM > > The original message was received at Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:01:19 -0700 > from ip161.castlenet.com [209.63.23.161] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > <Rainwater@rootsweb.com> > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to bl-3.rootsweb.com.: > >>> RCPT To:<Rainwater@rootsweb.com> > <<< 550 <Rainwater@rootsweb.com>... User unknown > 550 <Rainwater@rootsweb.com>... 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User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:01:22 -0700 ------=_NextPart_000_01BE3D9E.3D27D3E0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-Path: <grm@castlenet.com> Received: from DAD.castlenet (ip161.castlenet.com [209.63.23.161]) by ns1.castlenet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA26320 for <Rainwater@rootsweb.com>; Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:01:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199901120301.UAA26320@ns1.castlenet.com> From: "grm" <grm@castlenet.com> To: "Rainwater" <Rainwater@rootsweb.com> Subject: SC Rainwater's Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 20:01:37 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been reading all the messages and I'd like to clear up a couple of points- 1- It was not Robert who went to Ala it was Richard and Jesse from Chesterfield Co.,SC. Robert and his wife Mourning (?) went to Stewart Co., Tn.His estate was settled in 1825 and Mourning was the executrix. along with Bartlet Posey.(Sarah Rainwater md his son Warren Monroe Posey).(GS#0554314-item 2 pg 11). Robert had evidently came to Stewart Co early because the deed from William Wyatt to him is dated 28 Mar 1822.(GS#0554331-Bk 7,pg 41) for 30 acres. In Aug 1824 Mourning is again in court for the settling of the estate which is given as $287.20, after all judgements against it had been paid. (GS#554314-Vol 3 pg 112; 132. After Robert's death she moved to Bedford Co.,Tn to be with her son Wesley and his wife Elizabeth Adcock. Mourning md in Bedford Co., to Andrew Mathis (Mathews) (on 1860 census Andrew-age 60 and Mourning- age 65(which puts her bn ca 1795) I believe the William and Nancy(?) Rainwater in Montgomery Co;the John H and Frances Bird(Byrd);Sarah and Warren Posey and Wesley and Elizabeth Adcock are brothers and sister. No definite proof yet-but still looking.Need to get into the early probate records and read page by page till I solve it. I haven't worked on the Stewart Co.,Tn Rainwater's for awhile. A short note on Rev. Miles of SC. A researcher from Ala is descended from Levingston(Livingston) Bobo who married Sarah Rainwater and she has as the wife of Rev Miles-Sally (Nancy) Hutchinson (nor parents given). Another note -Nancy Miles Rainwater widow of James,Sr is still in SC in 1840, listed as Ann-age 60-70(GS#0025511 pg 93). Nancy, widow of Miles is in age bracket 50-60 (pg 87).Sarah Williams R. widow of Benjamin and mother of Simon P.-who died at age 26-is on pg 103. The widow of Miles moves to Ala after the final settlement of his estate. His estate papers begin in GS#1022782 Vol B2-Real Estate Book -pg 22-26 and final distribution of his estate lists all the children; GS#1022786-pg 22); Nancy Rainwater-widow (she's marked paid) Jane Rainwater-(she doesn't show any money paid) Mary Bobo-paid (she's the wife of Spencer Bobo Miles Rainwater-paid Milly (Amelia)Rainwater-paid Vashti Rainwater-paid Mariah Rainwater-paid Silas Mercer Rainwater is not named in this final distribution. Had he already recieved his share? Silas was bn 25 Jul 1824-just shortly before Miles died. Silas md Mary Jane Hindman. Jane Amanda md 20 Mar 1845 William Wilburn Waldrop Miles md Sarah Edwards. Milly md William M. Compton. Vashti md David J. Crossley Mariah md Pumphrey Langford(Lankford) Final settlement on William Edwards estate (GS#1022786-item 2 Real Estate Dash Book-pg 17-18)lists William Edwards, Milly Edwards ;Heirs of Isaac Edwards,deceased as 1-Nancy Rainwater;2-George Edwards and 3-Newman Edwards.The heirs of Isaac have as their guardian-Francis Edwards. This was dated 5 Dec 1836. The contention was over 128 acres of land sold to William Edwards for $600.00 and the admr's wanted the money to settle the estate. I have more-will have to go through my files. Glidie (Rainwater) Mobley ------=_NextPart_000_01BE3D9E.3D27D3E0--

> From: SaZaBY@aol.com > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 14:08:22 EST > Subject: Re: [RAINWATER-L] Related family > To: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com > Forwarded by: RAINWATER-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello all, > Maybe it is the euphoria of this thing exploding as it has, but let me put > forth this, I live in Rowan County, NC. While there were few if any > Rainwaters who migrated here, Rowan County is one of the oldest if not > oldest unburned counties in NC and I volunteer at the History Room of the > Rowan County Library. This is a grand library and possesses several > collections, most famous of which is the McCubbins Collection. If you > have related families let me know. I am not a professional genealogist, > but have been bite by the bug for over 22 years and have gone to Samford > University for a couple of the weeklong seminars at the IGHR Center. > Depending upon the amount of requests I would try to help anyone I could. > I have not decided whether to make it gratis or if there should be a > fee. Give me some input. Perhaps I am violating Rootsweb rules, duh, > just thought of that. > > Another idea, Surry County is just north of Rowan County, in fact 33 > western NC counties like Iredell, Burke, etc were formed form old Rowan > Co, NC. Anyway, if someone can think of possible leads on looking for old > John and his wife and kids in Surry, it is not too far to Dobson(the > County Seat) and Hogans Creek > >Don Pruitt **** Don, You have made a tempting offer to us, especially since you are sitting in the middle of so nice a library. As far a RootsWeb rules .... courteousness is the rule .... which I have found to be very common among our Rainwater subscribers. When I was first considering transfering the old Rainwater Network mailing list to automated facilities, a few of the then subscribers indicated they were concerned the list would get cluttered with superfluous postings. This the main reason why this list is to be kept focused on the business of genealogy. I'm sure most of us have an opinion about the antics of our country's politicians, but these opinions should be kept private and off the main mailing list, as should the myriad of seasonal greetings keep private between individuals. I'm saying this only once here for the benefit of about 30 new subscribers that have recently been added. You Rainwater cousins who have been around for a while know all this, sorry to bore you by repeating it. As far as SPAM, RootsWeb's filtering software takes care of deleting those things before they reach the lists. However, if anyone would like to receive spam mail, just make one genealogy inquiry or posting to a message board at a large online service such as AOL. You'll then start to receive more commerical announcements than you ever dreamed existed ...... another reason why RootsWeb was chosen over others when I was considering automating the old Rainwater Network list. Regards, Bob Schimmel, listowner

John Rainwater, husband of Mary Fussell, died in 1777 (will dated November 4, 1771, proved 1777). Thus he cannot be the father of Miles Rainwater, husband of Nancy Edwards, as he was born in 1787. Mary Fussell was born about 1710, so she cannot be his mother. There is a generation skip here. The James Rainwater who was Miles's father probably was the son of John Rainwater (wife Susanna) and grandson of John Rainwater (wife Mary Fussell). Because records are lacking, we cannot make these statements unequivocally. John and Mary (Fussell) Rainwater has children John, James, Mary, Sarah, Betty, Winney, Milley, Molly, and William, according to the will. The list of children you gave includes several attributed to their son John (e.g., Solomon), but others I cannot assign. Joseph B. Lambert At 01:24 PM 1/11/99 -0800, Hal Irving wrote: >Hi all, My records indicate that Miles Rainwater 1787-1826 was the son of >James Rainwater the second child of John Rainwater and Mary Fussell. My file >identifies his wife as Nancy Miles but expect that was typo error.....Miles >was ordained a Baptist Minister at the Cedar Shoal Church in 1817. He owned >several hundred acres along Cedar Shoal Creek. He and wife had seven >children (record says): Mary; Miles; Milly; Vashti; Mariah; Silas Mercer; >and Jane Amanda. Around 1835 Miles' widow, Nancy moved with her children to >Fayette Co., AL > >This Miles was bro to my William Rainwater 3 Jan 1774 Surry Co NC to Jan >1825 Pulaski Co KY. Other siblings were: > >Solomon Rainwater 1765-1824 >Elizabeth Rainwater 1769-1850 >William Rainwater 1774-1825 >Abraham Rainwater 1784-? >John Rainwater dates? (2nd Company 14th Brigade Rifleman, War of 1812 >Moses Rainwater no dates (Johnson Co Tax Rolls) >Female Rainwater (perhaps Alcy who marr John Bowles, Bertie Co., NC >Female Rainwater no dates....... > >Hope this helps! > >Hal, from foggy Northern california! > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >Complaints/suggestions to listowner: >schimmel@northlink.com > Joseph B. Lambert Department of Chemistry Northwestern University 2145 Sheridan Road Evanston, IL 60208-3113 Telephone 847-491-5437 Fax 847-491-7713 E-mail lambert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu or jlambert@nwu.edu Webpage http://www.chem.nwu.edu/~lambert/ (best with Netscape 3.0 or higher)

I may be missing a vital point, but are the Reverend James Rainwater, James Rainwater the Blacksmith, and Miles Rainwater any relation to James Rainwater (b1791)? Thanks, Bliss in San Angelo TX

Hi all, My records indicate that Miles Rainwater 1787-1826 was the son of James Rainwater the second child of John Rainwater and Mary Fussell. My file identifies his wife as Nancy Miles but expect that was typo error.....Miles was ordained a Baptist Minister at the Cedar Shoal Church in 1817. He owned several hundred acres along Cedar Shoal Creek. He and wife had seven children (record says): Mary; Miles; Milly; Vashti; Mariah; Silas Mercer; and Jane Amanda. Around 1835 Miles' widow, Nancy moved with her children to Fayette Co., AL This Miles was bro to my William Rainwater 3 Jan 1774 Surry Co NC to Jan 1825 Pulaski Co KY. Other siblings were: Solomon Rainwater 1765-1824 Elizabeth Rainwater 1769-1850 William Rainwater 1774-1825 Abraham Rainwater 1784-? John Rainwater dates? (2nd Company 14th Brigade Rifleman, War of 1812 Moses Rainwater no dates (Johnson Co Tax Rolls) Female Rainwater (perhaps Alcy who marr John Bowles, Bertie Co., NC Female Rainwater no dates....... Hope this helps! Hal, from foggy Northern california!

Adding to what Jim Farmer wrote, I believe I found William Edwards in the 1830 census, although it of course could be someone else of the same name. He was certainly dead by 1835. His wife, Mildred (Smith) Edwards (Milly) died June 6, 1839, Spartamburg Co., SC, according to the same Bible source. Jim does establish that there was an Isaac Edwards in the earlier generation, but he died in 1808. If this Isaac is a brother of William, then that makes him another son of Edward Edwards. I too have looked for Edward, but did not find him yet. It is likely that he came from outside of SC, so there are a lot of places to look. At least Edward Edwards is not a common name. Nancy Edwards's other grandfather, William Smith, may be a hopeless cause. Joseph B. Lambert At 09:58 AM 1/11/99 -0800, Farmer, Jim wrote: >My records show Nancy Edwards, wife of as Miles, was the daughter of William >Edwards not Isaac. Source probably came from the same Bible record Joseph >Lambert quoted. > >Also makes sense because the Rev. Isaac Edwards who was old enough to be her >father died in 1808, Franklin Co GA. He could not have signed the documents. >Probably the Isaac Edwards signing the guardian papers was her brother. > >I don't have a death date for William Edwards, her father. The last record I >have of him is the 1820 Census in Spartanburg. > >My line is through Nancy's sister Elizabeth, wife of John Yarborough. Any >help on early Edwards records would be greatly appreciated. Looking hard for >Edward Edwards. > >Jim Farmer >farmer@visa.com >4081 17th St San Francisco CA 94114 > Joseph B. Lambert Department of Chemistry Northwestern University 2145 Sheridan Road Evanston, IL 60208-3113 Telephone 847-491-5437 Fax 847-491-7713 E-mail lambert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu or jlambert@nwu.edu Webpage http://www.chem.nwu.edu/~lambert/ (best with Netscape 3.0 or higher)

Dear Mrs. Carlton: Further on the question of the father of Nancy Edwards, wife of Miles Rainwater. Can you (or anybody) send me a copy of page 82 from the Spartan Baptist Asso. booklet? I have copies of pp. 70-71 and 91-93, but not 82. I thought I had all the mentions of Miles Rainwater. Page 70 mentions Miles briefly but mostly this section is about James the preacher. Page 92 describes the events surrounding Miles's death, which I have found nowhere else. This page is the source of the misinformation that Miles married Nancy Miles, who actually was his mother. Interestingly, another of this church histories (my ancient copy gives neither the title nor page, but it may be this same pamphlet) states that "Rev. James Rainwater, a near relative of Miles Rainwater, ... married Nancy Miles, daughter of Sarah Farrow and Thomas Miles." It seems that people liked to marry Nancy Miles off rather frequently. Estate records do indicate that she was married to a James Rainwater, but the ages fit better for James in the generation prior to that of Miles, James the blacksmith, and James the preacher. Joseph B. Lambert At 04:00 PM 1/9/99 -0500, MCarl310@aol.com wrote: >Today just wrote a note on Miles RAINWATER. About an article that appeared in >the "Spartan Baptist Association for Philadelphia Church in S.C.", page 82. >That is where the info came about Nancy Edwards, daughter of Issac Edwards, >marr to Miles RAINWATER. My interest in the article repeats the info that >Miles and the Rev. James were cousins. I do not have copy of the article. >But a library with Gen. holdings might have the book. I live in Dallas, Texas >and they have a lot of books on the early Baptist churches with names and >biographies. If you have Bible information to the contrary, I suggest to >clear up some records that might be in error, by sending your information to >this group, and cite where the Bible records came from, and who last owned the >Bible. That would be a great help to group, and would clear up false leads >for that branch of family. Also mention of that article appears in "My Folks >II, by Thelma Sargent, a book at Family History Library. Hope I am not adding >to confusion about RAINWATERS. Mary Ellen Carlton > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >Complaints/suggestions to listowner: >schimmel@northlink.com > Joseph B. Lambert Department of Chemistry Northwestern University 2145 Sheridan Road Evanston, IL 60208-3113 Telephone 847-491-5437 Fax 847-491-7713 E-mail lambert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu or jlambert@nwu.edu Webpage http://www.chem.nwu.edu/~lambert/ (best with Netscape 3.0 or higher)

Looks like a lot of Rainwater descendants are interested in the Rev. Miles Rainwater, son of James Rainwater, line. Perhaps we could have an online family reunion in a private chat room sometime. I think it would be quite interesting to do so. As a descendant of Miles Rainwater through his daughter Vashti Rainwater Crossley, I would love to get the many years of the confusion cleared up. Paula Hood McCaulla

My records show Nancy Edwards, wife of as Miles, was the daughter of William Edwards not Isaac. Source probably came from the same Bible record Joseph Lambert quoted. Also makes sense because the Rev. Isaac Edwards who was old enough to be her father died in 1808, Franklin Co GA. He could not have signed the documents. Probably the Isaac Edwards signing the guardian papers was her brother. I don't have a death date for William Edwards, her father. The last record I have of him is the 1820 Census in Spartanburg. My line is through Nancy's sister Elizabeth, wife of John Yarborough. Any help on early Edwards records would be greatly appreciated. Looking hard for Edward Edwards. Jim Farmer farmer@visa.com 4081 17th St San Francisco CA 94114 > Adden note: Nancy Edwards was daughter of Isaac Edwards and he had a >brother named William. they both signed for Nancy to get guardian papers on >death of her husband, for her children. Mcarl310 > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >This list is not for political discussions >or seasonal greetings. >Complaints/suggestions to: schimmel@northlink.com > Joseph B. Lambert Department of Chemistry Northwestern University 2145 Sheridan Road Evanston, IL 60208-3113 Telephone 847-491-5437 Fax 847-491-7713 E-mail lambert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu or jlambert@nwu.edu Webpage http://www.chem.nwu.edu/~lambert/ (best with Netscape 3.0 or higher) ==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== Complaints/suggestions to listowner: schimmel@northlink.com

You are correct about the two additional children of Miles and Nancy (Edwards) Rainwater. Miles died intestate, so his estate records were concerned with sorting out his heirs, in particular his minor children. Sarah had married Livingston/Levingston ("Leve") Bobo, son of Tillman and Bulah (Yarbrough) Bobo apparently before Miles Rainwater died. As a result she was not listed among the minor children. Sarah was born April 22, 1808, and died January 19, 1881. She and her husband are buried at the Wesley Chapel Methodist Church cemetery in Fayette Co., AL. Wiley Rainwater was born April 25, 1814, and died July 25, 1814. The parents of Miles Rainwater were James and Nancy (Miles) Rainwater. The wife of his son Miles Jr. was Sarah Edwards according to the Newells' History of Fayette County, but I cannot vouch for the validity. Joseph B. Lambert At 07:50 AM 1/11/99 -0500, JROACH3@aol.com wrote: >Per list of Children of Miles (b 1787) and Nancy Edwards I have two other >children: >Wiley (b1814-died age 3 months) and Sarah b 1808 who married a Levi Bobo >Livingston. Sarah died in 1881-Alabama. Does anyone have who the >father/mother of Miles(1787) are, and who married his son named Miles? > > > > >==== RAINWATER Mailing List ==== >Complaints/suggestions to listowner: >schimmel@northlink.com > Joseph B. Lambert Department of Chemistry Northwestern University 2145 Sheridan Road Evanston, IL 60208-3113 Telephone 847-491-5437 Fax 847-491-7713 E-mail lambert@casbah.acns.nwu.edu or jlambert@nwu.edu Webpage http://www.chem.nwu.edu/~lambert/ (best with Netscape 3.0 or higher)

Is there anyone out there searching for the Stewart County, TN Rainwaters? My husband is a gr. gr. grandson of John H. and Francis Bird Rainwater. John H. Rainwater was born 1804 in So. Carolina; died 1875 in Stewart County, TN. Frances Bird was born 1813 in Stewart County, TN. We would like to hear from the Stewart County branch of the family. Jane and Jim Purcell.

Dear Group, I have had so many queries, new information, and things to check out and things to look over my records that I am swamped. I will answer each and every one...I really love it! Be patience. Mary Ellen Carlton

Here is some high level data on the John Soloman Line- I have further details and generations if anyone is interested. ( I am still grappling with downloading a GEDCOM file and other transmission media.) John ps love the dialogue of James the Blacksmith and James the Preacher can't wait to see how it comes out. JOHN SOLOMAN (son James/Catherine Regan) (gs John/ Mary Fussell) had, according to records and traditions, sixteen children: JOB/DIDAMA HEMBREE (my line)- David Tillotson/Violet Smith, Pinkney Ferron/Sarah Askew, John Melton/Julia Ann Rucker (my line), Levi Newton/Hannah Smith, Sidney Yancey/Martha McGinnis, Lacy D./Dorothy Bell, Hezebiah. DELILAH/Richard Phillips NAOMI JOSHUA/Mary Peterson--5 children SOLOMAN/Nancy Linn-13 children JOHN/Martha Adams-11 children LAODICIA DICY RHODA/Lester Cox ABNER/Elizabeth Henry-6 children MARY ELISHA GENTRY/Elizabeth Grant/Nancy Sturdivant/Donnie Mency-7 children RACHEL REBECCAAaron Oliphant-6 children ASENETH/Morehead ELIZABETH RUTH

Per list of Children of Miles (b 1787) and Nancy Edwards I have two other children: Wiley (b1814-died age 3 months) and Sarah b 1808 who married a Levi Bobo Livingston. Sarah died in 1881-Alabama. Does anyone have who the father/mother of Miles(1787) are, and who married his son named Miles?

Dear Cousin Mary Ellen & All......... It has been questioned as to who was the husband or husbands of Sarah (Salley) Rainwater or could it be Sarah Jane Rainwater, daughter of JohnxSusannah Rainwater?? REASONS FOR SALLEY RAINWATER & JOHN DAVID NEBUHR John David NEBUHR received a land grant 25th September 1795 of 338 acres. Surveyed for him the 24th day of Sep. 1795. Situate in Ninety-six District on a small branch of Jimmies Creek of Tiger River bounded by lines running SE by Richard Youngs and Stephen Wilsons Land. N (by Jonathan Sinard(sic). NE Unknown, etc., etc. (I have a copy of the original land grant and of the Plat) Brent Holcomb records in his book "Spartanburg S. C. Minutes of Co. Court 1785-1799" that a Deed of Conveyance was made to John David Nebuhr from Edward Hooker & wife. It was acknowledged in open Court and ordered to record. In the 1800 census of SC indexed by Vern Jackson there is listed: Nebuhr, John D...Charleston Co. S.C. page 146 00010-00001-00. 1 male 26-45 and 1 female over 45. No children are listed. Perhaps he was married to Salley, perhaps not at this time. Book by Brent H. Holcomb GRS titled, "Probate Reocrds of S.C. Vo. 2" Letters of Administration with the Will Annexed Vol K 1778-1821 Charleston District Probate Page 306: John-David Nebuhr of Charleston, Shop-keeper, admr. with the will annexed of Thomas Curling, late of Charleston, mariner, who appointed the Commissioners of the Orphan House to be his EXRS., who as a Body Corporate cannot act as such, 21 Dec 180l. Sureties: John-Frederick Kern, Merchant, and Nicholas Miller, Baker, both of Charleston. Admr. sworn. Value estate not exceding L 327. Sureties justified. Probate Page 359: Mr. George Curling, of Charleston, Ship-wright, admr. with the will annexed of Thomas Curling, late of Charleston, Mariner, who appointed the Commissioners of the Orphan House Exrs., who as a Body Corporate cannot act as such, and John David Nubular was appointed admr. with the will annexed, who is now also dead, 11 Sept 1807. Sureties: Benjamin Brown Johnson and Edward Shrewsbury, both of Charleston, Ship-wrights. Admor sworn. Value estate not exceeding L233. Sureties justified. (Note: The above shows John David Nebuhr dead by 11 Sep 1807) Taken from a book with abstracts from the JOURNAL OF THE ORDINARY 1807-1810 In the Court of the Ordinary on July 22, 1807 a Citation was issued to Salley Nebur on the Estate of John David Nebur dec'd, which she was to return on the 28th. On July 29, 1807 it is recorded that Salley Nebur returned her citation but could not give security for Letters of admn. John Rainwater was then granted a citation on the Estate of John David Nebur decd to return on Monday 3rd of July (I believe it should have read August 1807. On August 3, 1807 Letters of admn. were granted to John Rainwater on the estate of John Nebur. On August 8, 1807 John Rainwater turned in an appraisement of part of the personal estate of John David Nebur decd which amounted to $2408 exclusive of debts. Nov. 3rd 1807 John Rainwater returned a schedule of the book accts and notes due the said decd estate. Feb. 13, 1810 John Rainwater as admr. of the estate of Jno D. Neabour made a return $1196.9.8. Jan. 1811 John Rainwater made a return and requested maintenance of John D. Nebhur Junior son of sd. decd. Jan. 6th 1812 and Mar 1813, John Rainwater again made returns on the estate of John Nebuhr decd. In the book, "Spartanburg County/District South Carolina" Deed Abstracts Books A-T, 1785-1827 (1752-1827) by Albert Bruce Pruitt. In Book T, p. 77 on Mar., 1825 John Rainwaters (Spartanburgh) for love and affection gave to his grandson, John D. Nebughr a sorrel mare about 6 years old. This was witnessed by John Brooks. Signed with John Rainwater' mark. Wit. oath May 23, 1825 John Brooks to W Hunt and recorded May 24, 1825. (Note: This could be for his grandson's 21st birthday) On Mar 3, 1828 John D. Nebughr of Spartanburg Dist sold for $100, 50 acres of land known by the name of Flint Hill, land originally owned by his father. It was bounded by John Hughe and Andrew Barry NE, Mallec Eskridge and Enoch Underwood W and SW, Miller NW. Witnessed by Saml Pearson and Matthias Rush. Signed by John D. Nebughr and Witness oath made 5 May 1828 Samuel Pearson to E. Bomar. Deed was recorded 5 May 1818 in Book U, P. 88-9. The 1830 S. C. Census lists John D. Nebuhr, page 302 Spartanburg, Spartanburg County: John D. Nebuhr males 2 under 5, 1 age 20-30 female l under 5, 1 age 15-20, 1 age 20-30 slaves 1 male, 1 female each age 10-24 Total of 8 The two males under 5 were: John A. bd 10 Dec. 1827 James b. ca 1829. The male 20-30 John D. Nebuhr (age about 26) The female under 5 (don't know) The female 15-20 (dont't know) The female 20-30 probably his wife, Eliza (?) Son: Simpson was born abt 1831 daughter, Sarah was born about 1836 Listed on the same page, next to him was William Bomar Senr. and in the same vicinity the names, Edward Bomar, Vincent Wyatt Between 1830 and 1840/41 the family moved to Benton Co., TN In the State Archives, Nashville, TN I found a printed record of County Court minutes of Benton Co., TN, Book 2, 1842-1851 as follows: (P-3) July Term 1842 Personally appeared in open court James K. Nance Guardian of John A.; James Simpson and Sarah Niber, Minor heirs of John D. Niber, Deceased and together with James Presson and Thomas Jones his securities and entered into acknowledged their bond in the sum of one thousand dollars conditioned as the law direccts for the faithful performance of said Guardian. Reel 59, Miscellaneous Records, Benton Co. TN - I have copied the microfilm and typed up the information on the Settlement of the Estate of John D. Neeber, dec'd. James K. Nance, as guardian of the children had to report every year to the court how the money was being spent, etc. An estate of $575.00 was devided up equally among the children. He had to report until each child reached the age of 21 or as in the case of Sarah, they married (her balance was turned over to her husband, Aug. 2, 1852). On May 9th 1854, James Nance made a final settlement on the remaining Neber-- Simpson. (Note: Various spellings of Nebughr/Neber/Neabor/Nabor/Neighbor/Niber/Neeber are used in documents I found. Nebughr and Neber have prevailed.) My thoughts: John D. Nebuhr Sr. to have died by July 22, 1807. John D. Nebuhr Jr. probably born 1804 if he turned 21 in 1825 and was probably only son of John D. Nebuhr Sr. and he is a grandson of JohnxSusannah Rainwater. Salley possibly married again, long before her father's death. Some think John Fortenberry and some Silmon. I am decended from Simpson Neber and Mary McGill. See chart following. ============================================================ Name (Birth/Chr.-Death/Burial) Birth/Chr. Place -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1-- John David NEBUR/NEBUGHR [Sr.]-345 ( -1807) sp-Salley RAINWATER-346 ( - ) 2-- John David NEBER OR NEBUGHR [Jr]-203 (1804-1841) Spartanburg,Spartanburg,SC sp-Eliza-341 ( -1852) 3-- John A NEBER/NEBUGHR-342 (1827-1876) Spartanburg,SC sp-Eliza P. Catharine RUSHING-371 (1829-1890) ,TN 4-- John D NEBUGHR-375 (1850- ) ,TN 4-- Mary L NEBUGHR-376 (1853- ) ,TN 4-- Jemima Elizabeth NEBUGHR-377 (1855- ) ,Benton Co.,TN 4-- Sarah (Sally) Ann NEBUGHR-378 (1857-1882) ,Benton Co.,TN 4-- Lucinda Isabelle "Belle" NEBUGHR-379 (1860- ) ,Benton Co.,TN sp-Joseph Eugene BETTS-385 (1855-1900) ,Gibson Co.,TN 4-- James B. Franklin NEBER-380 (1863-1887) ,Benton Co.,TN 4-- Robert Logan NEBUGHR-381 (1865-1918) Makanda,Jackson Co.,IL 4-- William N. NEBER-382 (1869-1888) Makanda,Jackson Co.,IL 4-- Drusilla NEBUGHR-383 (1872-1890) Makanda,Jackson Co.,IL 4-- Martha Lavinia "Vina" NEBUGHR-384 (1876-1932) Makanda,Jackson Co.,IL 3-- James NEBER-343 (1829-1863) Spartanburg,SC sp-Mary Caroline RUSHING-369 (1835-1907) ,Benton,TN 4-- Burwell Neuton NEBER (1853-1932) Paris,, TN sp-Nancy Ann ALLMAN (1852-1929) Paris,,TN 4--Arbell Eliza R NEBER (1856-1888) TN sp-Calvin M. ESCUE (1857- ) IL 4--Mary Elizabeth NEBUGHR (1859- ) TN sp-James P. FLY 3-- Simpson NEBER-142 (1831-1864) Spartenberg,SC sp-Mary MCGILL-143 (1838-1916) of Benton County,Tennessee 4-- Millie C. Arabelle "Belle" NEBER-88 (1857-1939) Camden,Benton Co.,TN sp-Daniel NORRIX-87 (1854-1906) ,Union Co.,IL 5-- Charles Oliver NORRIX-82 (1880-1914) Cobden,Union Co.,IL sp-Melissa Annette "Nettie" BROWN-83 (1884-1972) Creal Spgs.,Williamson,IL 6-- Curtis Anderson NORRIX-84 (1904-1984) Mounds,Pulaski Co.,IL sp-Ava Marie MANHART-93 (1902-1986) Newton,Jasper Co.,IL 6-- Edwin Guy NORRIX-85 (1906-1961) Mounds,Pulaski Co.,IL sp-Georgia Geraldine VAUGHN-102 (1919-1998) Mt. Vernon,Jefferson,IL 6-- Edith Mildred NORRIX-11 (1908-1996) Centralia,Marion,IL sp-Frederick Albert Arthur KELLICK-12 (1908-1953) McArthur,Desha,AR ME...............:) 7-- Betty Laverne KELLICK-1 St. Louis,MO 6-- Rosalie Lillian NORRIX-86 (1912- ) Centralia,Marion Co.,IL 5-- Sofrona E. NORRIX-89 (1881-1920) ,Union Co.,IL 5-- Anna Marie NORRIX-90 (1883-1957) Anna,Union Co.,IL sp-Stanley Anderson KING-359 (1879-1946) Golconda,Pope,IL 6-- Ernest L KING-360 (1905-1929) Cairo,Alexander,IL 6-- Raymond Walton KING-361 (1907- ) Paducah,McCracken,KY sp-Letha LAIRMORE-364 ( - ) 6-- Kenneth K KING-362 (1909-1975) Springfield,Sangamon,IL sp-Margaret SAXON-365 ( - ) 6-- Clarence Leroy KING-363 (1911-1990) Cairo,Alexander,IL sp-Dorothy Cecilia LEGGE-366 ( - ) 5-- George Burton NORRIX [Rev.]-91 (1884-1957) Cobden,Union Co.,IL 6--George Elbert NORRIX (1905-1970) Union Co., IL sp-Thelma ELKINS (1907-1983) 6--Unknown Child 6--Daniel Lee NORRIX (1907-1970) Cobden, Union Co., IL sp-Ruth Mildred Adaline DILDAY (1913- ) Willisville, Perry Co., IL sp-Danola HALL (1926- ) Fleming, Lecher Co., KY 6-- Otis Edgar NORRIX- (1909-1993) Lick Creek, Union Co., IL sp-Ethel Fern LOWRY-(1909-1991) Dahlgren, Hamilton Co., IL 5-- Rosa Jane NORRIX-92 (1886-1953) Anna,Union Co.,IL sp-Thomas Edward KING-356 (1882- ) Golconda,Pope,IL 6-- Oscar Edward KING-358 (1904-1967) Cairo,Alexander,IL sp-Elizabeth (Betty) Berryhill (1912-1994) Creek, Mounds Co., OK 6--Lewis Clifford KING (aka:Carl ANDERSON) (1912-1972) Centralia, Marion Co., IL sp-Vera McNUTT ( 1913- ) Athens, Athens Co., OH sp- Gladys Helen SCOTT sp-Charles Y NORRIX-399 (1871-1945) Saratoga Pct.,Union County,Illinois 4-- Martha E S NEBER-144 (1861-1934) ,Benton Co,TN sp-Lycurgus KNIGHT-149 (1854-1922) ,TN 5-- Simpson E KNIGHT-150 (1883-1936) RR Makanda,Union Co,IL 5-- Mary A KNIGHT-151 (1885- ) ,IL 5-- James Henry KNIGHT-152 (1888-1947) ,Union Co,IL sp-Naomi MANNING-401 (1885-1969) 5-- Lydia B KNIGHT-153 (1892- ) ,Union Co,IL 5-- Ida M KNIGHT-154 (1895- ) ,Union Co,IL sp-Almus M. COLLIER-397 ( - ) 5-- Beatrice KNIGHT-155 (1902- ) ,Union Co,IL 4-- Louisa Q NEBER-145 (1863- ) ,Jackson Co,IL sp-Elisha P BOWLBY-367 (1847- ) Ohio 3-- Sarah NEBER-344 (1836- ) Spartanburgh,Spartanburgh,SC sp-James J TURNER-368 ( - ) Hope this helps add to your Rainwater Information. Betty L. Capps