Renea, my opinion of your questions are : (1) Ishmael is listed as Israel on 1790 census. (2) George and John , Ishmael's sons are not listed on 1790 census as it shows George with 8 children and John with 4 children with 2 above 16yrs. of age. Question is why were none of Ishmael's sons listed. There are all listed, I suppose listed on 1800 census. At least it shows 2 Georges, 1 John and 1 Ambrose. Now it is my belief that John on 1790 census died in 1804 and could be the father of Ishmael, Lawrence and etc. This is what I believe until proven differently. Remember all of this statement is only my opinion. Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com I do not believe that A Robert Sr. was the father of Lawrence and Ishmael simply there are too many Johns and no Roberts born to Lawrence and Ishmael.