Vergil, I am familiar with the Randolph Co. Heritage books which are compilations of family stories and histories submitted by individuals. You correctly quoted the portion of the Raines article that listed those on the 1779 tax list. However, some of those names do not match the 1779 list abstracted by William Perry Johnson and published in The North Carolinian-A Quarterly Journal of Genealogy and History Vol. II, No. 2, June 1956. This copy has been on file with other Randolph Co. tax lists in the Randolph Room of the Randolph Co. Public Library for some time. The best news is that this list has been re-researched, corrections made in Johnson's transcription, and details of property given. It was recently published (Spring 2000) in three installments in the Randolph Co. Genealogical Journal, Vol. XXIV, No. 1, 2, 3. As in Johnson's list, there are eight Rains Men - Robert Rains in Joseph Hinds' list, John Rains, Sr. in Windsor Pierce's list, Ishmael Rains, Robert Rains, Anthony Rains, Laurence Rains, James Rains, and George Rains in John Hinds' list. The original document can be found in the NC State Archives, Secretary of State Papers, SS837. The source was given in the 2000 publication above. I had always planned to check out the original myself, but when it was recently published, I didn't see a burning need to. Maybe I still will. Nancy

Dear Virgil and Nancy, I have been sitting here in Colorado watching this discussion on the Rains names on the 1799 tax lists. I may have a clue for you. I am searching for a John Rains, during this time period, in Randolph Co. He was born in 1772 in NC and left for TN about 1808 then Ray County, MO.in the early 1830's. Accompanying him on the journey were the Craven family. This listing, esp. as you noted below--the Windsor Pierce list mentioned a John Rains, Sr. that noone seems to know about. In an earlier post, there was mention of a Hennery Rains listed with the Craven family. My question is whether this Windsor Pierce list also listed Cravens? Especially in MO, the Rains and Cravens intermarried. John, mentioned above, had a sister, Elizabeth Catherine who married Richard C. Craven and John's daughter, married Jeremiah Craven, son of Joshua. Since I have never been to NC (but hope to someday), I keep hoping I will find a substantial clue somewhere that is proof that John Rains did in fact live in Randolph County. As for him being John Rains, SR., I have no John Rains, JR in the children I have identified so far. But, that doesn't mean there wasn't a JR. at some point in time. I have never seen any of these tax books so am just going on what you all have posted. Virgil, this is the same John Rains you attempted to identify for me previously. I just felt that since this tax list listed one, I needed to see what others knew. Kay Winter Colorado Springs, CO -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Martin [mailto:jam@asheboro.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:57 AM To: RAINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAINS] RAINS Vergil, I am familiar with the Randolph Co. Heritage books which are compilations of family stories and histories submitted by individuals. You correctly quoted the portion of the Raines article that listed those on the 1779 tax list. However, some of those names do not match the 1779 list abstracted by William Perry Johnson and published in The North Carolinian-A Quarterly Journal of Genealogy and History Vol. II, No. 2, June 1956. This copy has been on file with other Randolph Co. tax lists in the Randolph Room of the Randolph Co. Public Library for some time. The best news is that this list has been re-researched, corrections made in Johnson's transcription, and details of property given. It was recently published (Spring 2000) in three installments in the Randolph Co. Genealogical Journal, Vol. XXIV, No. 1, 2, 3. As in Johnson's list, there are eight Rains Men - Robert Rains in Joseph Hinds' list, John Rains, Sr. in Windsor Pierce's list, Ishmael Rains, Robert Rains, Anthony Rains, Laurence Rains, James Rains, and George Rains in John Hinds' list. The original document can be found in the NC State Archives, Secretary of State Papers, SS837. The source was given in the 2000 publication above. I had always planned to check out the original myself, but when it was recently published, I didn't see a burning need to. Maybe I still will. Nancy ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!