Vergil, you have a lot of questions, and the only way I have to try to answer them is through Katherine's book, or through the genealogical library in Norfolk. My problem with the Raines line is who are Newman Raines' children, son of John R. Ranes and Keziah (thought to be a Dabney) . Also, I am looking for Kezia's parents. So far, no luck on that. Eva