As to Rains getting around, one group came (we think) from KY to MO, formed a wagon train and went to CA (Gallant Rains) where instead of digging for gold, they created farms right here where I live in Sonoma County CA. One of this man's relations-- probably his brother--we don't know--started Rancho Cukamonga in Southern CA and from what locales tell me, they used to visit each other once a year. These folks really got around! Melva Wheelwright Mary Stephenson wrote: > Well, Mr Vergil, You get rested up from taking those tires off that new > home, and get back to us soon! > Wanted to let you know that my Patsey (Martha) Rains b. 1795 in R.C.N.C., > married abt. 1810, my great grandfather, Henry Leonard b. 1789 R.C.N.C., > to Jacob and Rebecca Brewer Leonard. They had several children there and in > 1829 migrated to Indiana, and had several more children (probably some on > the way too). In 1849 they started their migration into Iowa and are in the > 1850 Wapello County, Iowa census. > I just happened to marry an Alabamian in 1951, and here "I" is!! I always > knew even as a kid, that my heart was in the South. At that time, I didn't > know where my folks came from, except that a grandmother was born in > Kentucky, but my heart knew. ( NORTH CAROLINA and All places South!!) > After John died in 1845, and all his estate settled, I understand that > Lewellens kids also went West and North to Indiana . Debi Boswick will have > that data so I am told. Maybe you will want to chime in here Debi? > Mary masdal@ala.net > > -- > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html

Cat, if it starts with an R and ends with an S, that spells Raines to Reins to Rynes. Personally I like Raynes. Vergil Raines. My Grandfather was born Warren Rains. Running from ex-wifes he crossed the Red River and changed it to Alfred Warren Raines. So never give up.

Catherine, My Raines spelled their names Raynes only after they left North Carolina. The only way I have seen William Raines (am hoping he is my Patsey's father) name signed in N.C. is Raines. We must remember that he did not "sign" per se anything, as he could not read or write as he signed with an "X", so I am sure he did not recogonize his name when he saw it. My uncle Ed, born 1872 is the person that wrote down all the family history that included Raynes. That is the way he spelled it, but I truly think it was not supposed to be spelled that way. He had a sister that was named Mary Raynes Leonard, (for Patsey), so she had to carry the name spelled that way. A lot of people that were in Alabama went on to Arkansas, Oklahoma and Texas. A lot of times, Alabama was just a stopping off place to rest or work long enough to go on west. Have you looked for your folks other places? I cannot remember seeing your posting, so do not know who you are looking for. I live in Alabama and there are still a lot of Rain(e)s here. Don't give up, as there are just too many unclaimed Raines still floating around out here. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Cat Donnow <cranberry@i-55.com> To: RAINS-L@rootsweb.com <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [RAINS] Misc Va Raines marraiges >I think I'm just going to have to change my ancestors name from Raynes to >Rain(es)!!! Ya'll find your families!!......mine are lost somewhere in >Alabama, hiding and not to be found!!! >Cat >Catherine Donnow >Ambiance Studio Web Design

I think I'm just going to have to change my ancestors name from Raynes to Rain(es)!!! Ya'll find your families!!......mine are lost somewhere in Alabama, hiding and not to be found!!! Cat Catherine Donnow Ambiance Studio Web Design ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dolores W RAINESSUTTON" <drainessutton@juno.com> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:34 AM Subject: [RAINS] Misc Va Raines marraiges > LDS RECORDS > Alexander Raines-Margaret keeler 1848 in kanawah co. > Anthony Raines-Mildred Burke 1789 prince Ed.co > Catherine Raines -James Chisholm 1789 Orange co > Catherine Raines-John Wimer 1854 Pendleton c0 > Charles Raines-Nancy elliott 1804 Prince Ed.co > Cibba Raines-Zacahariah Crawford 1818 orange co > Delelia Raines-James Banks 1812 Rockingham co > Eliza G.L.-Stanfield Jones 1853 caroline co > Eliza Jane -Robert Bradshaw 1849 Prince ed Co > Eliza raines-John B. Matney 1863 Kanawha co > Elizabeth Raines -peter Vaughn 1784 Pendleton co > Elizabeth raines-Jacob May 1825 rockingham co > Elizabeth Raines -adonJah Cunningham 1849 Pendleton co > Giles Raines-Dorothy Austin 1799 Caroline co > Granville Raines-Rutha Base 1853 Kanawha co > Fred Raines -Francis WYche 1756 Sussex Co > Franklin Raines-Patsy wilson 1841 Kanawha co hope this helps someone > Dolores > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Well, Mr Vergil, You get rested up from taking those tires off that new home, and get back to us soon! Wanted to let you know that my Patsey (Martha) Rains b. 1795 in R.C.N.C., married abt. 1810, my great grandfather, Henry Leonard b. 1789 R.C.N.C., to Jacob and Rebecca Brewer Leonard. They had several children there and in 1829 migrated to Indiana, and had several more children (probably some on the way too). In 1849 they started their migration into Iowa and are in the 1850 Wapello County, Iowa census. I just happened to marry an Alabamian in 1951, and here "I" is!! I always knew even as a kid, that my heart was in the South. At that time, I didn't know where my folks came from, except that a grandmother was born in Kentucky, but my heart knew. ( NORTH CAROLINA and All places South!!) After John died in 1845, and all his estate settled, I understand that Lewellens kids also went West and North to Indiana . Debi Boswick will have that data so I am told. Maybe you will want to chime in here Debi? Mary masdal@ala.net --

I've been on this site abt .two months and boy have I learned a lot. I knew the Rains had Tenn. covered, Kentucky a little, Ohio and VA. pretty well. But boy I never realized how many possible cousins are in Alabama. I had always thought Alabama was covered with Rains of VA. south of the James River. However, it does make since that a lot of Tenn. Rains fell off down to Alabama. Many , Many, NC randolph Co. Rains moved over into Tenn. and many on down to Alabama I now find out. My own direct line moved to Ohio and then West across the top of this great country. I've received a lot of E-mail and I shall ans. all with time. Love you all Vergil Rain(e)s Baxter60@aol.com

>From " A Journal of Col. David Fanning's Transactions, During the Late War in America ; from the years 1775, until the pease 1783 " we find the following written by Philip Alstine Col'n to David Fanninf Col'n. " I think Major John Rains , and Capt. George Rains two of the diservingest officers that ever acted in America during the late war, either improvintial or Milita; and to my knowledge John Rains had two Mills bunt; Three dwelling Houses and besides A barn, and property totally taken away". p. 11 next, but tell me just what he is really trying to say in this letter.

As I ended last night, I believe I said I was tired, boy today I'm really Tired. I have this rich next door friend, and he ask me to help him today move into his new home, so I went over and boy we like to have never got those six tires off that sucker. Speaking of that when we first moved up from Houston we moved into this new house. It ha 2 bedrooms, 2 baths, a small kitchen and really a small living area. It seemed nice to us. I did have to change the plastic wall on the south side a couple of times. However, we had lived there abt. 6 years and up pulled this big truck. I ask " Hey what do you want". He said." I have brought the rest of your house as it has been back ordered abt. 6 years". We had no idea what he was talking abt; however, he parked it right beside our house. It fit just right giving us 1 more bedroom, a really big kitchen and a living area so that we have room for both chairs. What a deal. next p. 10 really

The volume of mail on this list has been wonderful! In our zeal to find our ancestors, let's not forget common courtesy. If someone places info on the list, it is in the hopes of helping someone on the list or of finding a connection and /or more information for themselves. Please do not forward or cut/copy/paste information submitted by someone else to another list or individual UNLESS you have first asked and gotten permission from the original submitter. In most cases it will not matter and the original submitter will be glad to have a new contact that may have common ancestors. Sometimes it does matter and common coutesy demands that we respect that person's wishes! Keep the info flowing, perhaps someone will break through that brick wall! As for my Rains, aliens dropped her off :-) grburk@usit.net TNGenWeb Decatur Co., TN http://www.netease.net/decatur/ TNGenWeb Perry Co., TN http://www.netease.net/perry/

There is a John who married a Keziah but does NOT fit your description because of the marriage date of Keziah being 1761 which is after Newman was born 1754 unless he was s/o first wife??. Nevertheless, this may be of interest to you. Cpt John Raine b 5 July 1726 of Goochland s/o George Raine b bef 1706 of Henrico and mother Mary Shelton of Rural Plains, VA. John married first Susannah Mitchel d/o Archelaus and Ann Mitchell and had (come debate on which children from her) Eliz. 26 Oct 1755, Nathaniel 4 Dec 1757, Mary Ann 21 May 1760 Wife 2 was Keziah Anderson Cocke d/o Chas & Eliz Chambers Cocke, widow of Thomas Cocke (See Douglas Register, Some Virginia Marriages) md 23 Dec 1761 John jr., Mary Anne?, George, Chas Anderson, Wm, Thos, Joseph Shelton, some say another daughter was Sarah Gwen Hancock Interesting Dabney connection is Dabney Rains b 1788 VA who moved to Elbert GA. Said his father died "early." Dabney's mother was Eliz. She later married John T. Dudley. His sisters were Martha and Catherine. (the family left Ga abt 1837 for Alabama) Melva Wheelwright Duckobx159@aol.com wrote: > Newman Rains, son of John R. and Kezia Rains, was born about 1754 in Cameron > Parish, Fairfax Co., Va. He was mentioned in his father's will in 1754 in > Fairfax Co. This will mentions Newman and Baley as sons by his wife, Kezia. > Anthony and John Rains were mentioned, but their mother's name was not given. > Kezia was expecting a child when this will was written. > > Newman and his mother, Kezia, were in Bedford Co., Va. as early as 1792, when > Newman Reins' boundary line was mentioned in a will of Cornelius Dabney, > dated May 23, 1792. One of the witnesses was Keziah Reins. > > I am trying to determine the maiden name of Keziah Reins/Rains. Some say she > was a Dabney, and since she witnessed the will of Cornelius Dabney in Bedford > Co., I am looking into this possibility. Do any of you out there have any > information on this Reins/Rains/Dabney connection? > > Eva Alford > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Actually I don't think Fanning ever made it back, but our Rains were on a rain of terror. I have more; however, I am so tired tearing this E-mail up, best rest. Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com

Have copy of page of Male Marriage Bond Index, 1781-1831, Henrico County, Va., which lists John RAINS m. Nancy CARTER, October 16, 1807. If this is your line, will be glad to scan and e-mail page to you. Peggy

Col. Fanning has gone to Charleston, and is not to return here till he comes with forces sufficient to defend this part of the country. I would have you to disband ; and be gone immediately ; for if I ever hear of any one of your people coming with any thing of the sort, I will come and kill them myself. I am in behalf of his Majesty's armies. John Rains Major of the Loyal Militia "

>From the same source we find a letter written by Major Raines to a traitor of his Majesty. IF YOU ARE A RAINS< do you believe this so for believe me I am just writing the way it was found. The name of the traitor will be left out as it is unimportant to this. " Sir;-------, A traitor of his Majesty I am very sorry to think that there is so many damned foolish Rebels( remember the Patriots were the rebels Vergil) in the world, as to think Col. Fanning would be deceived bysuch damned infernal writings as I have received from you. p. 8 next Vergil Raines

Below the above letter is the Following: " Names of the Companies of Randolph Co., as they was commissioned in their different Companies: John Rains, Capt. 16 July( promoted Major 13 Oct.) 1781. William Rains, Lt. Geo. Rains ,Capt. Robt. Rains ,Ensign in NC. Jas. Rains, Ensign in SC. " I believe this info. is self-explanatory. next p. 7 The Verg

You are therefore diligently and carefully to discharge the duty of such;obeying all orders and directions, which you may receive from time to time,from any superior officers in his Majesty's Service, and all others. The inferior officers of his Majesty's subjects of that and every other company are directed and requested to obey you as____of said company. Given under my hand at Coxe's Mill this_____1781. David Fanning Col. Com'g his Majesties Loyal Militia & Co. " next p.6 The Verg

I hope this will be of interest to some people. It was a shock to me as I had never even thought along these lines. From " The State Records of North Carolina, Vol. 22,Miscellaneous " A letter was written " By David Fanning, Esq. Colonel of the Loyal Mititia of N.Ca. To:_______Greeting: Having received sufficient testimony of your Loyalty and Zeal for his Majesty's Service and relying on your courage and good conduct I do hereby appoint you to be_______of Company in the district of____. Next p. 5

Melba look at the 1860 census of walker co. Hiram is married to Phebe and Aseneth was single and living near them. All records i have show Aseneth and Hiram had 2 children Hiram H. and Mary j. i have ordered Hirams civil War pension record and maybe it will tell when they married. will let you know when i get it Dolores ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Would the list manager please contact me privately. Thank you dee

Lewalling Rains b abt 1774-84, seen in McNairy TN 1830 C, wife Mary b abt 1785 SC (rumored to have Native American ancestor) Elizabeth "Betsy" married William Gatlin. Both born between 1790-1800 Mary Polly Ann b 1812 married Andrew Ross b 1800 in AL Sally married David Wilson (1812-1866 TN), she b abt 1815-1870 Patsy b abt 1800-1806 was not married in 1846 Margaret b abt 1819 married Benjamin Elkins James B. 1 Nov 1826 NC-1907 married Nancy C. Wilson b 1817 TN-1900 Mary, look in the Rains Research Directory under "Debi Bostwick" for details on her line which I quoted above Mary Stephenson wrote: > He died in 1845, wife was Margaret, > > Susanah wife of William Poole > > Patsey wife of Henry Leonard > > Polly (Mary) had been married to a Brown but was either widowed or divorced. > > Lewellen, deceased, but his children were heirs.(Elizabeth Gatlin, Polly Ann > Raines, Sally Wilson, Margaret Elkins and Patsey Raines and James Rains.) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Renea Burkholder <grburk@usit.net> > To: RAINS-L@rootsweb.com <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Sunday, April 15, 2001 5:50 PM > Subject: Re: [RAINS] Do you know about these Rains? > > >Mary, am I correct: > >You know that John, Lewellen, Susannah, Patsey, and Polly are siblings > >because of a court record. This was due to a John dying intestate. Was this > >the John above, the sibling? When did he die? > >Renea Burkholder > >grburk@usit.net > >TNGenWeb Decatur Co., TN > >http://www.netease.net/decatur/ > >TNGenWeb Perry Co., TN > >http://www.netease.net/perry/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mary Stephenson" <masdal@ala.net> > >To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 5:40 PM > >Subject: Re: [RAINS] Do you know about these Rains? > > > > > >> My family consisted of 5 children that are mentioned. John and Lewellen > >the > >> only boys and Susannah, Patsey(Martha) and Polly (Mary). I have the > court > >> records of John's intestate estate. > >> William in 1800 had 2 males 16 and up, and 3 females under 10 , 1 female > >16 > >> and up, along with himself and wife. > >> I just get more confused as the days go by. If the 1790 William is mine, > >> what happened to all the other kids? > >> John b. abt 1785, Susanah b. abt. 1787-88, Lewellen b. abt. 1790 , > Mary > >> b. abt. 1792 and Patsey was b. 1795 > >> The 1790 William would have had to be born when? My figuring would have > >him > >> born in abt 1740-45. Too old for my William, I think. He was > probably > >> born about 1862, I would guess as he was having children at the same time > >as > >> my Jacob Leonard b. 1763. (Henry Leonard m. Patsey Raynes) > >> Who knows? He might have been raising a second family ? Stranger things > >> have happened!! > >> Mary > >> > >*************************************************************************** > * > >> ************** > >> Subject: [RAINS] Do you know about these Rains? > >> > >> > >> >1790 census, NC Randolph Co. > >> >Reines, William 1m 16 and up, 3m under 16, 2f, 1 slave > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================== > >> Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > >> Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >> http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >> > >> > > > > > >==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >============================== > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > To subscribe: send message subscribe to RAINS-L@rootsweb.com > To unsubscribe: send message unsubscribe to RAINS-L@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html