Mary, a little more about William Rains ,Randolph Co. (1) Loyalist of NC, taken prisoner Feb. 23,1781. (2) Served under Capt. James Edwards of the British Legion. (3) Still prisoner as late as April 1782. (4) William Rains & group bought 2 acres of land on South Side of Brush Creek in 1798 for A " meeting house" called Mount Pleasant. I still have to find when he died ,I have it , just have not found it. Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com
Gee, I see all these John Rains from NC, but none of them mine! Here is what I have on this one. John Rains b. 1772 North Carolina (wife unknown) Children: Martha b. 2 January 1804 Randolph Co., NC m. Jeremiah Craven Elias b. Abt 1805 Probably Randolph Co, NC m. Jane Gray 1830 TN [At this point, they moved to Campbell Co., TN] James b. Abt 1809 Campbell Co., TN m. Rachel Vanderpool 1835 MO George b. 24 October 1812 Campbell Co., TN m. Jane Sharp abt 1828 MO Caswell b. 1816 Campbell Co., TN m. Martha Queener 1840 MO Sometime between 1830-1835 we believe that most of the above went to Ray County, MO, accompanied by the Craven family and others. John's sister was Elizabeth Catherine Rains b. 22 May 1775 NC. She married Richard C. Craven 15 June 1797 in NC. They also went to Ray County, MO. We believe the Randolph Co., NC, Campbell Co., TN, and Ray Co., MO locations to be correct, but we don't have any documents at this time to prove them except Ray Co., MO. Do these look familiar to anyone? We have no idea as to the parents of this John Rains. Kay Winter
How do we get this information. I have tried to access the internet to no avail. Please help. Annie RAINS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > RAINS-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 46 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [RAINS] John Rains [baxter60@aol.com] > #2 [RAINS] Early NC Rains [baxter60@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from RAINS-D, send a message to > > RAINS-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the list administrator, send mail to > RAINS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [RAINS] John Rains > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:03:22 EDT > From: baxter60@aol.com > To: RAINS-L@rootsweb.com > > Has everyone picked up " Direct Descendants of John Rains " off the tube. It > is good and exact and might give some a good lead or two. The researcher who > prepared it at one time was looking for the father of this John. In my mind > this John's father was Ishmael, but he wanted proof. Give this a try. Vergil > Raines > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [RAINS] Early NC Rains > Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:04:29 EDT > From: baxter60@aol.com > To: RAINS-L@rootsweb.com > > I thought that I had posted the following dates ; however, someone ask again > so here they are: Some of these dates vary depending on the source , but I > live with these > Ishmael b. 1749 > Lawrence b. 1751/52 > George b. 1753 > John b. 1755 > Robert b. 1757 Anthony b. 1757 > John b. 1759 > Robert b.1763 > James b. ? William b. ? Leonard b. ? I believe that all > of these are not bros., cousins perhaps. Truth is some may not be kin at all. > If anyone disagrees, please do so. Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com
I thought that I had posted the following dates ; however, someone ask again so here they are: Some of these dates vary depending on the source , but I live with these Ishmael b. 1749 Lawrence b. 1751/52 George b. 1753 John b. 1755 Robert b. 1757 Anthony b. 1757 John b. 1759 Robert b.1763 James b. ? William b. ? Leonard b. ? I believe that all of these are not bros., cousins perhaps. Truth is some may not be kin at all. If anyone disagrees, please do so. Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com
Has everyone picked up " Direct Descendants of John Rains " off the tube. It is good and exact and might give some a good lead or two. The researcher who prepared it at one time was looking for the father of this John. In my mind this John's father was Ishmael, but he wanted proof. Give this a try. Vergil Raines
If you follow the footprints of your ancestors, you will learn things, you never realized, you did not know. The Verg
Ask Betty and Lenore about this story. It should be good! Melva Sue Thompson wrote: > Melva, > No, the time wouldn't be right for Gallant to visit his grandson John in So. > CA. Gallant died in 1883, and John Rains didn't go to the vets' home there > until after 1900. The thing that's made me wonder about the Gallant Rains > and Cucamonga John Rains connection is that that John Rains was murdered in > 1862...only a couple of years after Gallant came to Sonoma County. And that > John Rains was 25 years younger than Gallant (he died when he was 33 years > old according to historical accounts), a few years younger than Gallant's > son John. I'd love to find a connection that could be documented, though, > because it would certainly add color to my family tree!! > > Sue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melva Wheelwright" <melvaw@sonic.net> > To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [RAINS] Re:They Get Around > > > Sue, > > As I recall from your aunt here, she claimed that it was > > Gallant who went to visit in So. Cali. Would that be the > > right time period for the John in the vets home? > > Melva > > > > Sue Thompson wrote: > > > > > Hi Melva, > > > You are definitely right on when you say that these guys really got > around!! > > > > > > Regarding Gallant Rains descendants visiting the John Rains in So. CA, I > > > recently learned that Gallant Rains' son John Rains had a son John (by > his > > > first wife Eliza/Louisa Pettyjohn) who died in So. CA in 1922 at a > veterans' > > > home. I have a copy of his pension file which names his brother George > W. > > > Rains (by John Rains' second wife Sarah Jane Plummer) as his next of > kin. > > > Anyway, thought it might be possible that this could be the John Rains > that > > > the Sonoma County Rains visited on an annual basis rather than the > Rancho > > > Cucamunga John Rains who died rather early on, if my memory serves me > > > correctly. > > > > > > Sue Thompson > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Melva Wheelwright" <melvaw@sonic.net> > > > To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:38 PM > > > Subject: [RAINS] Re:They Get Around > > > > > > > As to Rains getting around, one group came (we think) from KY > > > > to MO, formed a wagon train and went to CA (Gallant Rains) > > > > where instead of digging for gold, they created farms right here > > > > where I live in Sonoma County CA. One of this man's relations-- > > > > probably his brother--we don't know--started Rancho Cukamonga > > > > in Southern CA and from what locales tell me, they used to visit > > > > each other once a year. These folks really got around! > > > > Melva Wheelwright > > > > > > > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com
I'm sorry, learn from me- when replying always try to be sure the subject line is changed if appropriate! :-) Renea Burkholder grburk@usit.net TNGenWeb Decatur Co., TN http://www.netease.net/decatur/ TNGenWeb Perry Co., TN http://www.netease.net/perry/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renea Burkholder" <grburk@usit.net> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [RAINS] From list owner - please read > Vergil, we greatly appreciate your contributions ! > Have you ever seen this book? I will be going to Rowan, Randolph, > Mecklenburg, NC area this summer for research, perhaps it's there? > Renea Burkholder > grburk@usit.net > TNGenWeb Decatur Co., TN > http://www.netease.net/decatur/ > TNGenWeb Perry Co., TN > http://www.netease.net/perry/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <baxter60@aol.com> > To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [RAINS] From list owner - please read > > > > Renea, When I put something out there, it's for any one it might help. If > > I've got it, it might save someone a lot of research. Just remember what > it > > says in books is not always right either. However,I'm going to put it out > > there for everyone to chew. I learn more that way than any other. Just > tell > > those cousins if they have it I want a look too. I would like for everone > to > > find the book" And The Rain(e)s Came ". This is good reading with a lot of > > leads. It was written by J. Floyd Bullock, my 2nd cousin. I know there > are > > many copies out there , maybe even in some Genealogy Libs. Find, ask, > begg, > > borrow or steal you will enjoy. Vergil Raines > > > > > > > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > > If you know how to reduce these risks. > > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > > > > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >
Vergil, we greatly appreciate your contributions ! Have you ever seen this book? I will be going to Rowan, Randolph, Mecklenburg, NC area this summer for research, perhaps it's there? Renea Burkholder grburk@usit.net TNGenWeb Decatur Co., TN http://www.netease.net/decatur/ TNGenWeb Perry Co., TN http://www.netease.net/perry/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <baxter60@aol.com> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [RAINS] From list owner - please read > Renea, When I put something out there, it's for any one it might help. If > I've got it, it might save someone a lot of research. Just remember what it > says in books is not always right either. However,I'm going to put it out > there for everyone to chew. I learn more that way than any other. Just tell > those cousins if they have it I want a look too. I would like for everone to > find the book" And The Rain(e)s Came ". This is good reading with a lot of > leads. It was written by J. Floyd Bullock, my 2nd cousin. I know there are > many copies out there , maybe even in some Genealogy Libs. Find, ask, begg, > borrow or steal you will enjoy. Vergil Raines > > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html > >
Renea, When I put something out there, it's for any one it might help. If I've got it, it might save someone a lot of research. Just remember what it says in books is not always right either. However,I'm going to put it out there for everyone to chew. I learn more that way than any other. Just tell those cousins if they have it I want a look too. I would like for everone to find the book" And The Rain(e)s Came ". This is good reading with a lot of leads. It was written by J. Floyd Bullock, my 2nd cousin. I know there are many copies out there , maybe even in some Genealogy Libs. Find, ask, begg, borrow or steal you will enjoy. Vergil Raines
Preston, not knowing just how much you have looked for some of the history into Alsey Raines can I ask a Question or two. In the 1790 census there is a Enuch Rains listed. There also Rains in Cumberland,Anson,Johnston,Hyde,Duplin and Wake Counties. Of course Randolph Co. which I claim. All my search was prior to 1806 in Randolph so I can't help there. Good Luck vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com
Can anyone link my Alsey Raines to their family? He was born in 1806 in NC or Va. He might be related to some of the Raines in Johnston County, NC. He married Charlotte Kelley 12/15/1830 in Wake County, NC. His children were Middy Ann, Jasper J, Nancy Helen, Lucy Ann, L. Nicholas, Nichodemus C, Alexander and Adolphus. Do some of these name have a German flavor to them or is it just me? Thanks in advance! Preston
Melva, No, the time wouldn't be right for Gallant to visit his grandson John in So. CA. Gallant died in 1883, and John Rains didn't go to the vets' home there until after 1900. The thing that's made me wonder about the Gallant Rains and Cucamonga John Rains connection is that that John Rains was murdered in 1862...only a couple of years after Gallant came to Sonoma County. And that John Rains was 25 years younger than Gallant (he died when he was 33 years old according to historical accounts), a few years younger than Gallant's son John. I'd love to find a connection that could be documented, though, because it would certainly add color to my family tree!! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melva Wheelwright" <melvaw@sonic.net> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [RAINS] Re:They Get Around > Sue, > As I recall from your aunt here, she claimed that it was > Gallant who went to visit in So. Cali. Would that be the > right time period for the John in the vets home? > Melva > > Sue Thompson wrote: > > > Hi Melva, > > You are definitely right on when you say that these guys really got around!! > > > > Regarding Gallant Rains descendants visiting the John Rains in So. CA, I > > recently learned that Gallant Rains' son John Rains had a son John (by his > > first wife Eliza/Louisa Pettyjohn) who died in So. CA in 1922 at a veterans' > > home. I have a copy of his pension file which names his brother George W. > > Rains (by John Rains' second wife Sarah Jane Plummer) as his next of kin. > > Anyway, thought it might be possible that this could be the John Rains that > > the Sonoma County Rains visited on an annual basis rather than the Rancho > > Cucamunga John Rains who died rather early on, if my memory serves me > > correctly. > > > > Sue Thompson > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Melva Wheelwright" <melvaw@sonic.net> > > To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:38 PM > > Subject: [RAINS] Re:They Get Around > > > > > As to Rains getting around, one group came (we think) from KY > > > to MO, formed a wagon train and went to CA (Gallant Rains) > > > where instead of digging for gold, they created farms right here > > > where I live in Sonoma County CA. One of this man's relations-- > > > probably his brother--we don't know--started Rancho Cukamonga > > > in Southern CA and from what locales tell me, they used to visit > > > each other once a year. These folks really got around! > > > Melva Wheelwright > > > > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >
Sue, As I recall from your aunt here, she claimed that it was Gallant who went to visit in So. Cali. Would that be the right time period for the John in the vets home? Melva Sue Thompson wrote: > Hi Melva, > You are definitely right on when you say that these guys really got around!! > > Regarding Gallant Rains descendants visiting the John Rains in So. CA, I > recently learned that Gallant Rains' son John Rains had a son John (by his > first wife Eliza/Louisa Pettyjohn) who died in So. CA in 1922 at a veterans' > home. I have a copy of his pension file which names his brother George W. > Rains (by John Rains' second wife Sarah Jane Plummer) as his next of kin. > Anyway, thought it might be possible that this could be the John Rains that > the Sonoma County Rains visited on an annual basis rather than the Rancho > Cucamunga John Rains who died rather early on, if my memory serves me > correctly. > > Sue Thompson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Melva Wheelwright" <melvaw@sonic.net> > To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:38 PM > Subject: [RAINS] Re:They Get Around > > > As to Rains getting around, one group came (we think) from KY > > to MO, formed a wagon train and went to CA (Gallant Rains) > > where instead of digging for gold, they created farms right here > > where I live in Sonoma County CA. One of this man's relations-- > > probably his brother--we don't know--started Rancho Cukamonga > > in Southern CA and from what locales tell me, they used to visit > > each other once a year. These folks really got around! > > Melva Wheelwright > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp
Melva My grandfather's bro. Harvey Raines went to Calif. or that area and north into Oregan. My folks out there were in the logging business and have talk to them at times. So you West Coast Rain(e)s just remember where you came from and let us hear more from you. The Verg
LDS RECORDS Alexander Raines-Margaret keeler 1848 in kanawah co. Anthony Raines-Mildred Burke 1789 prince Ed.co Catherine Raines -James Chisholm 1789 Orange co Catherine Raines-John Wimer 1854 Pendleton c0 Charles Raines-Nancy elliott 1804 Prince Ed.co Cibba Raines-Zacahariah Crawford 1818 orange co Delelia Raines-James Banks 1812 Rockingham co Eliza G.L.-Stanfield Jones 1853 caroline co Eliza Jane -Robert Bradshaw 1849 Prince ed Co Eliza raines-John B. Matney 1863 Kanawha co Elizabeth Raines -peter Vaughn 1784 Pendleton co Elizabeth raines-Jacob May 1825 rockingham co Elizabeth Raines -adonJah Cunningham 1849 Pendleton co Giles Raines-Dorothy Austin 1799 Caroline co Granville Raines-Rutha Base 1853 Kanawha co Fred Raines -Francis WYche 1756 Sussex Co Franklin Raines-Patsy wilson 1841 Kanawha co hope this helps someone Dolores ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
Melva, the Raines group that I speak of was the very 1st group that I eliminatedas beening part of my line. This John had been previously married and I could never find who she was. Amy had also previously been married and best I remember ha 4 sons by that marriage. Yes I have the Mitchell's history. This whole group of Rains & etc have been will researched. They were one of the few Rains groups not starting as indentured servants. Its my Rains group North of the James that I have trouble with. I want to know with all my heart who my 5- great grandfather was. He's there but who. Nice talking to youand take care, we might be cousins, I claim all until I'm proven different. Bye The Verg
Hi Melva, You are definitely right on when you say that these guys really got around!! Regarding Gallant Rains descendants visiting the John Rains in So. CA, I recently learned that Gallant Rains' son John Rains had a son John (by his first wife Eliza/Louisa Pettyjohn) who died in So. CA in 1922 at a veterans' home. I have a copy of his pension file which names his brother George W. Rains (by John Rains' second wife Sarah Jane Plummer) as his next of kin. Anyway, thought it might be possible that this could be the John Rains that the Sonoma County Rains visited on an annual basis rather than the Rancho Cucamunga John Rains who died rather early on, if my memory serves me correctly. Sue Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melva Wheelwright" <melvaw@sonic.net> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:38 PM Subject: [RAINS] Re:They Get Around > As to Rains getting around, one group came (we think) from KY > to MO, formed a wagon train and went to CA (Gallant Rains) > where instead of digging for gold, they created farms right here > where I live in Sonoma County CA. One of this man's relations-- > probably his brother--we don't know--started Rancho Cukamonga > in Southern CA and from what locales tell me, they used to visit > each other once a year. These folks really got around! > Melva Wheelwright >
Melva, in one of your notes you state: Cpt. John Raine b. 5Julu 1726 of Goochland s/o George Raine b. 1706 of Henrico &etc. John married 1st Susannah Mitchel & etc. I'm confused as my records show prepared by Dr. Thomas Hart Raines who was an early member of the Virgina Genealogy Society says that John Raines b. 6 July., 1726 s/o Thomas Raines and Elizabeth married Amy G. Mitchell b.31 August., 1732. They had 3 sons and one daugther. This was all in Bristol Parish, Prince George County. Thomas Hart Raines biggest concern was that his Raines not get mixed up with what he called Cullpepper (sp) Raines. Do you see the simulairities? Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com
The John of whom I quoted from the Douglas Register did marry Susannah. Do you have the lineage of the Mitchell's? I don't want to type that up unless I need to. You can see on their genealogy chart where Amy and Susannah come in. I think, however, that the date for John on the currently circulating family group sheet is likely to be wrong birth date for the one who married Susannah. I am glad you noticed because I was up too late when I looked that up and didn't note the two duplicates. It would be nice to get that straight. I'll go check with THR report tomorrow and see what he has. However, there are some errors in his info so he isn't what I would consider a primary source either. melva baxter60@aol.com wrote: > Melva, in one of your notes you state: Cpt. John Raine b. 5Julu 1726 of > Goochland s/o George Raine b. 1706 of Henrico &etc. John married 1st Susannah > Mitchel & etc. I'm confused as my records show prepared by Dr. Thomas Hart > Raines who was an early member of the Virgina Genealogy Society says that > John Raines b. 6 July., 1726 s/o Thomas Raines and Elizabeth married Amy G. > Mitchell b.31 August., 1732. They had 3 sons and one daugther. This was all > in Bristol Parish, Prince George County. Thomas Hart Raines biggest concern > was that his Raines not get mixed up with what he called Cullpepper (sp) > Raines. Do you see the simulairities? Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library