I would be interested in the book. Caroline baxter60@aol.com wrote: > This book covers Lawrence Rains,b.1751/52,Lawrence Wesley Rains,b.1790,Nathan > Rains,b.1809,Isaac Rains,b.1832 and etc. It includes all wifes and related > families. It is a 275 page book printed both sides. It was written by J. > Floyd Bullock, my 2nd cousin. It was a private print and is no longer in > print from any source. If enough people want the book, I can ck. and see what > it will cost and will send it to anyone at that price. Let me know. I know of > no other way to get it to people who might could use info. Vergil Raines > Baxter60@aol.com Related familes include Troth, > Williams,Darby,Phillips-Sharp,Dixon,Winter,Cox, and Etc. Let me know. > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

In a message dated 7/1/2001, RAINS-L-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Can someone give me a true rundown on Rowland Raine/Rayne and wife Thomasin, that came to Virginia in 1636? Thanks Mary masdal@graceba.net >> Hello Mary, It looks like the proper answer to your question is either "no" or "not yet." I have not attempted to really study Rowland Raine since I have never suspected him to be an ancestor. However, he should be interesting to us since he was here so early. Most of my material is simply data that I have incidentally gathered, much of it from the research of others. I have been hoping someone who is less confused and knows more than I do about Thomasin and Rowland Raine would answer your question, but since they have not I will try to state the conflicting data. This is not intended to provide any final answers, but I hope someone will use this material as a starting point to dig out the true facts on Rowland -- at least some of which I suspect are available. A little historical background might be helpful. First, in the 1600s there were a smattering of Africans who were living in Britain as either indentured servants or free persons of color. Slavery had been prohibited in England for a couple of centuries by that time. The first Africans who arrived in Virginia in 1619 were almost certainly accorded the status of indentured servants since the English Colonials had no institutional or legal basis for slavery. "There can be no question that slavery in English America was a development of indentured servitude." The "Virginia Magazine of History and Biography," Vol. XXI, for the year ending Dec., 1913, "Book Reviews," p. 445, reviewing the book, "The Free Negroe in Virginia, 1619-1865," by John H. Russel, Ph.D. In "Before the Mayflower," by Prof. Lerone Bennett, Jr., 6th Rev. Ed., (1987), p. 35, it is stated: "In Virginia, then, as in other colonies, the first black settlers fell into a well-established socioeconomic groove which carried with it no implications of racial inferiority. That came later. But in the interim, a period of forty years or more, the first black settlers accumulated land, voted, testified in court and mingled with whites on a basis of equality. They owned black servants, and certain blacks imported and paid for white servants whom they apparently held in servitude." Although statutory recognition of slavery first came to the colonies in Massachusetts in December 1641, and to Connecticut in 1650, slavery was not legally sanctioned in Virginia until 1661. Free blacks continued to have the right to vote in Virginia until 1723. Ib. at 38. The language of an 1660 Virginia statute seems to make it clear that the institution of slavery was developed as a practice before there was official statutory sanction. From William Waller Henning, The Statutes at Large; Being a Collection of all the Laws of Virginia, from the First Session of the Legislature in the Year 1619, (New York: R & W & G. Bartow, 1823): "Vol II, MARCH, 1660-1, 13th Charles II, ACT XXII, 2:26. English running away with negroes. BEE itt enacted That in case any English servant shall run away in company with any negroes who are incapable of makeing satisfaction by addition of time, Bee itt enacted that the English so running away in company with them shall serve for the time of the said negroes absence as they are to do for their owne by a former act." The first mention of the word "slave" occurs in the Virginia statutes the following year in a more detailed statutory scheme for dealing with runaways. See Ib., MARCH, 1661-2, ACT CII, 14th Charles II, 2:116. For a compilation of Virginia Statutes on Slaves and Servants see: http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~russell/hal/docs/virginiaslaverystatutes.html The details get both complex and murky and are beyond the scope of this note, but there are various historical tidbits that suggest Virginia slid into slavery through the back door without statutory authority. In 1636 my best guess is that there was not yet any slavery in Virginia, but by sometime in the latter 1640s I believe some of the newly arriving Africans were being treated as slaves. Rowland and Thomasin appear to have been counted as headrights twice, perhaps as a result of some fraudulent activity. Any person paying for the transportation of himself, a family member or any other person to the Colonies was entitled to 50 acres of land. (Not all persons whose transportation was paid for by a third person came as an indentured servant.) Headrights were not necessarily claimed in the same year that the persons arrived. Sometimes headrights were bought and sold, somewhat like commercial paper or bills and notes today. A person might save up his own headrights plus buy a few from others so he could claim a larger chunk of land setting up a good sized plantation. ("Plantation" was simply the word for a crop farm and had nothing to do with size or slaves, but did exclude farms that were for grazing only. The same usage prevails in England today.) I have documented some headrights being claimed as long as four years after the person's arrival; however, I think it was more typical for headrights to be claimed within a year. The double counting creates some question as to where Rowland and Thomasin may have initially located. I think the evidence supports the fact that they settled in Accawmack County rather than Upper Norfolk (later Nansemond) Co. Persons who were claimed as headrights did not necessarily settle in the same place as where the land claimed by headrights located, but I think they did settle nearby more often than not. From "Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1623-1666," by Nell Marion Nugent, "Vol. I," p. 46; Pat. Bk 1, pt. 1, p. 378, John Wilkins, 1300 acs. Accomack [???] Co., 9 Sept. 1636. On the E. side of Nansamund Riv. beginning on the S. side of the first br., running S.W. by W. along the Cr. E. S.E. into the woods, N.E. upon land of Mr. White & butting W. upon land of James Knott. 50 acs. for his own per adv. & 1250 acs. for trans. of 25 pers: Brigett Craft, Agnis Medlam, Rosomae Yetman, Henry Medcalfe, Georg Lee, Paul Trendall, Tho. Vincent, Joane Harman, Richard Ganes, Mary Wells, David Kiffin, Wm. Woolfe, Richard Leake, Wm. Hutchinson, Antho. Stensby, Robert Stackhowse, William Willbourne, Michaell Bryant, William Cozier, ROWLAND RAINE, Edward Writt, Stephen Barnett, William Crossman, THOMASIN, a maid, his Negroe. The Nansemond River is identified in my DeLorme Virginia Atlas Gazetteer topographical map as the large inlet or slough feeding into the south side of the James River about 10 miles west of Portsmouth. It is located in the northern part of Nansemond County, legally the City of Nansemond since 1972. This is southwest of the city of Hampton. The mouth of this Nansemond River would have been about 25 miles from the southern tip of Accawmack County (renamed Northampton in 1643), i.e., across Hampton Roads and Chesapeake Bay. The Accawmack County name was changed to Northampton Co. in 1643, and later subdivided in 1661 into Northampton in the south and Accomack in the north. The boundaries of both counties have remained the same and both counties are on the southern part of the peninsula on the eastern side of Chesapeake Bay. I cannot explain how the references to Accomack Co. and Nansamund River both became part of the first patent or why a second patent (see below) was issued for apparently the same land in Upper Norfolk County. The second patent may have been intended as a "deed of correction" or it may have been part of a fraudulent scheme to double the land received. From "Cavaliers and Pioneers, 1623-1666," by Nell Nugent, "Vol. I," p. 56, John Wilkins, 1300 acs. upper county of New Norf. 18 May 1637, Pat. Bk 1, pt. 1, p. 420, E. side of Nansamund Riv. on the second Cr. on S. of the first branch, S.E. into the woods, N.N. upon Mr. White's land & W. upon James Knotts land. 50 acs. for his own per. adv. & 1250 acs. for trans. of . . . Jane Hurman. . . ROWLAND RAYNE, THOMASIN his wife, A Negro, Stephen Barnett, William Crosman. [CW Note: In this second patent eight months later, various names are spelled differently and Thomasin is wife of Rowland rather than the maid of William Crossman, but the patent based on the same group of importees.] The following reference from Melva Wheelwright again refers to Rowland in Accomack County. From VA State Land Office Index & Abstracts, Patents & Grants FHL 0029310 -86 - Accomack Co 1637-1640: Davy Wheatley for abusing Rowland Raine & his wife, to set in stocks at time of Ct & 3 Sundays no date Transcript p. 145. This conflicting data on where the land awarded for the headrights was located remains a puzzle for the time being, but I believe the evidence is persuasive that Rowland himself settled in Accawmack County. New Norfolk County was created from Elizabeth City in 1636, and was divided into Upper (west) and Lower (east) Norfolk in 1637. Lower Norfork County included the area that is now the cities of Va. Beach, Norfolk, Portsmouth and Suffolk. Upper Norfolk had boundaries the same as or similar to the later Nansemond County, now City of Nansemond since 1972. There is no modern river identified or spelled as the Nansamund River, but it seems almost certain that the Nansamund River referred to in 1637 was the large inlet or slough feeding into the south side of the James River about 10 miles east of Portsmouth now referred to by the spelling Nansemond. This attribution is confirmed by the map, "A general map of the middle British colonies in America... (1771)" from the Library of Congress online site: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/gmdhtml/gnrltitl.html ] From "The Biographical Dictionary of Early Virginia, 1607-1660," Ransom B. True, Ed., pub. Richmond, VA by The Assoc for the Preservation of Virginia Antiquities, 1985 (contained on 21, 4" x 6" microfiche): p. 3025 Rayne, Mary widow purchased land; received a deed of gift, 1642; owned cattle, 1642; wife of Rowland Rayne, 1642; wife of Robert West 1642; Mary, second {suffix}, daughter of Rowland Rayne, 1642, [all in] Northampton Co. [CW: The name of Accawmack County was changed to Northampton County in 1643, but Northampton was subsequently divided into Northampton in the south and Accomack in the north in 1661.] p. 3046 Rowland Raine, aka Rowland Rayne; victim of defamation (slandered); married man, 1639, [all in] Accomack Co. Rowland Rayne, aka Rowland Raine, 1639; died about 1640; subject of headright, 1636; Inventory of Estate returned, 1640; payment ordered from the estate 1640 - ACCOMACK CO. Rowland Rayne, deceased husband of Mary Rayne 1642; father of Mary Rayne, 1642 [in] Northampton Co. Given Rowland Raine's short duration in Virginia, I doubt that he had two wives. Furthermore, it seems unlikely that there were two Rowland Raines in Accawmack/ Northampton County during this era. I cannot explain the two different names for his wife, but can only speculate on the possibility of some confusion between a wife and a daughter. Since the probate, civil court and land records from Accawmack / Northampton County from 1632 are still extant, I think it is likely that issue can be resolved if someone wants to read some microfilm about old Rowland. If he owned land, I would think there is also a good chance that it could be located. Based only on fact that settlement started at Jamestown and moved north incrementally, I think it is more likely that Rowland and Thomasin settled in the part of Accawmack County that is presently Northampton rather than Accomack. I received this very confusing extract from Melva Wheelwright where Mr. Ray appears to make several basic errors: "Tennessee Cousins, by Worth S. Ray: 1554 Agness Rayne md Ralph Harrison 17 Oct (Accomack?), p. 506 1686 Andrew Harrison died; he of Westmoreland Va who md Thomasin Raine of Culpeper & Amherst p. 501 1637 Rowland Raine and Thomasins in New Norfolk & Accomack p. 506 1639-40 Rowland estate Inventory, son Andrew was in Hungar Parish 1769" Of course neither Virginia nor Accawmack County existed in 1554. Culpeper County created in 1748/1749 never existed in Thomasin's lifetime, etc. I have never heard of a "Hungar" parish. It may be that the alleged "son Andrew" is confused with widow Thomasin's second husband. Nevertheless, this book may be worth (no pun intended) taking a look at for its sources on this data. I have done nothing to check out the following suggested later history for Thomasin, but Ms. Ferguson suggests that widow Thomasin, not Mary, outlived Rowland and remarried to an Andrew Harrison. Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:56 -0500 From: "Sandra Ferguson" <ferg@intelos.net> To: VARICHMO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Harrison and Davis...late 1600s "I am looking for information on the Harrison family. Thomas Harrison (son of Andrew [d. 1686] and wife Thomasin (?) Rayne) was reportedly born in Farnham Parish, and married Ann (?). Their daughter, Francis Harrison married Joshua Davis, son of Joshua Davis, attorney on the Northern Neck who died in 1710, and who had been a member of St. Mary's White Chapel Church, and parish. "Does anyone have access to the Farnham Parish records, compiled by George H.S. King? There is apparently mention of the births of the younger Harrison children in these records, and their mother Thomasin Harrison was still in the parish in 1686, when she made gift deeds to her children in August of that year, after her husband's death. "I also have read " ....Andrew Harrison and Thomasin, his wife, who came to VA, with Col John WILKINS, in 1623, as the "Maid, Thomasine". She "afterward married Rowland Rayne, also a headright of Col Wilkins, and after her husband's death married Andrew Harrison, son of Anthony." There was no documentation for this information listed in the book . . ." Sandra ============================================================ I hope Mary or someone follows up on this and gets back with us on what she or he finds. Regards, Cleve Weathers Nashville

Any idea of the 2 rowland's parents names. ? Can't find them and attach them to my files. John Philip Adams Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie Goodwin" <MKingG@webtv.net> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 05:39 PM Subject: [RAINS] Rowland Raine http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/va+index+332456612070+F According to the above site Thomasino was a black maid who came over here with the same group as Rowland Raine. Rowland is also listed as living in New Norfolk County in the following year which would be 1637. Then I don't believe he's on anything else. In 1637 he's listed as Rowland Rayne. Have a happy forth cousins. Still looking for Rowland J. Rains or Rowland J. Rain(e)s or Roland J. Rains born 1784 in S.C. ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/va+index+332456612070+F According to the above site Thomasino was a black maid who came over here with the same group as Rowland Raine. Rowland is also listed as living in New Norfolk County in the following year which would be 1637. Then I don't believe he's on anything else. In 1637 he's listed as Rowland Rayne. Have a happy forth cousins. Still looking for Rowland J. Rains or Rowland J. Rain(e)s or Roland J. Rains born 1784 in S.C.

You have got to be kidding on this question.

Who are Rowland's parents. Where is he from? DOB & DOD for both Thanks John Philip Adams ----- Original Message ----- From: "willliamschoch" <ws90905@navix.net> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 08:37 AM Subject: Re: [RAINS] Rowland Rains The wife of Rowland Raine has the name of Thomasin. Was this her first name or surname? Caroline Mary Stephenson wrote: > Can someone give me a true rundown on Rowland Raine/Rayne and wife Thomasin, that came to Virginia in 1636? > Thanks > Mary masdal@graceba.net > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

The wife of Rowland Raine has the name of Thomasin. Was this her first name or surname? Caroline Mary Stephenson wrote: > Can someone give me a true rundown on Rowland Raine/Rayne and wife Thomasin, that came to Virginia in 1636? > Thanks > Mary masdal@graceba.net > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Can someone give me a true rundown on Rowland Raine/Rayne and wife Thomasin, that came to Virginia in 1636? Thanks Mary masdal@graceba.net

Thank you for that quick response. I have researched the Graham/Raines and their William would be way too young for mine. My William would have been born 1760-62. I also think my William was in So. Carolina at some point because his son John presumably went to So. Carolina, married Margaret Dula b. abt. 1785 in So. Carolina and brought her to N.C. This data was sent to me by the research librarian in R.C.N.C. I'm sure her family was known before by William. I would presume that my William would NOT be at home in the 1790 census anyway. He had at least 2 if not 3 children of his own by then, John, Lewellen and Susanah. Patsy(Martha, my ancestor) was born in 1795 and Mary (Polly) 1797. In 1800 all his children were born, this I know. I am not joking when I say I cannot find any connection to any of the Randolph Co. Raines. I still think I am on the right track. John died in R.C.N.C.1845, Lewellen died before John in Tenn. I think, (per Merlva Wheelwright)as his children were heirs of John. Susannah and Polly as far as I know, stayed in N.C.? My ancestor, Patsey Raines b. 1795 married my great grandfather, Henry Leonard in 1810. several of their children were born in N.C. and in 1829 they migrated to Indiana and in 1849 migrated again to Iowa. I have searched and searched for William's death date to no avail. Both he and their mother were deceased in 1845 as they was not mentioned in Johns estate settlement. I have all those papers from R.C. John died intestate (without issue) so there was quite a stir among the relatives to aquire all thay could!! Later Mary masdal@graceba.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "rraines" <rraines@prodigy.net> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [RAINS] Finallly back on line > Mary, > George Rains, born about 1750/53 who married Rosannah Graham had the > following family. Joab born 8/12/1770, Asahel born 5/5/1772 then between > this date and before the 1790 census they had the following Children: > George, Hannah, James, William, John, and Robert. There were seven sons and > one daughter listed on the census of 1790 so all had to be born prior to > that. Would this William fit your need. This family I lost for a few years > after 1800 census but found all of these children inherited from Richard > Graham in 1805/6 on deeds in book 11 page 198 and 11 pages 255 and 256. The > first was listed in 1805 and the later in about six months in 1806. These > people as a family started leaving R.C. N.C. at this time and some were in > S.C., Tenn., and Ohio. Some of their children went on to IN. and Texas. If > this looks helpful I could probably help a little more. > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Stephenson <masdal@graceba.net> > To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 5:40 AM > Subject: Re: [RAINS] Finallly back on line > > > > I know my William is in N.C. later on, but he had to come from somewhere. > > It is well noted that the Wynne family and that particular Raines family > > eased off down into N.C. > > They kept on buying land further down on each move. > > I can find no connection what-so-ever with any of the Raines that were in > > R.C.N.C. at that time. I have been researching the libraries and the LDS > > library here and we have high hopes that we have finally made the > > connection. I will know more Monday when I go back to the LDS library > with > > further data. I have a person who is a long standing church member there > > and well aquainted with all the data helping me and she also thinks with > > what they have and what I have that we will make the connection. She said > > she is willing to bet HER genealogy on it. > > If you have more on the Raines/Wynne's than are in the genealogy books and > > what is available at the LDS library, then sure, I want all the data I can > > conjure up. You know us Raines folks.. we never have enough information > to > > suit us. > > In the past 6 weeks while I was off-line, I went over all the data I have > > collected on my Raines for the last 27 years, and found there is > absolutely, > > no information to connect my William Raines to any of the R.C.N.C. that > came > > out of Caroline Co., Va. That is when I widened my search to other > counties > > in Va. and especially into Surry and Albermarle Cos. > > Angelica Wynne married William Raines(he has no birthdate) and they > produced > > William Raines b. June 25, 1739. He married Jane Green and they produced > > (who I think is my) William Raines b. Feb. 10, 1762. > > As to right now, we cannot go back further, but hopefully can pick up on > > these families soon and find where they all scattered to. > > All comments welcome! > > Mary masdal@graceba.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <baxter60@aol.com> > > To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [RAINS] Finallly back on line > > > > > > > No you are searching the wrong place in Virginia. You're William is the > > one > > > in NC. You do have you're dates about right, I believe. There were > several > > > Williams in RCNC but they are hard to date. Now if you insist, I can > send > > > what I have on the William who married into Wynne family; however, this > > > family has been researched pretty well. Let me know, Vergil Raines > > > > > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Mary, George Rains, born about 1750/53 who married Rosannah Graham had the following family. Joab born 8/12/1770, Asahel born 5/5/1772 then between this date and before the 1790 census they had the following Children: George, Hannah, James, William, John, and Robert. There were seven sons and one daughter listed on the census of 1790 so all had to be born prior to that. Would this William fit your need. This family I lost for a few years after 1800 census but found all of these children inherited from Richard Graham in 1805/6 on deeds in book 11 page 198 and 11 pages 255 and 256. The first was listed in 1805 and the later in about six months in 1806. These people as a family started leaving R.C. N.C. at this time and some were in S.C., Tenn., and Ohio. Some of their children went on to IN. and Texas. If this looks helpful I could probably help a little more. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Stephenson <masdal@graceba.net> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [RAINS] Finallly back on line > I know my William is in N.C. later on, but he had to come from somewhere. > It is well noted that the Wynne family and that particular Raines family > eased off down into N.C. > They kept on buying land further down on each move. > I can find no connection what-so-ever with any of the Raines that were in > R.C.N.C. at that time. I have been researching the libraries and the LDS > library here and we have high hopes that we have finally made the > connection. I will know more Monday when I go back to the LDS library with > further data. I have a person who is a long standing church member there > and well aquainted with all the data helping me and she also thinks with > what they have and what I have that we will make the connection. She said > she is willing to bet HER genealogy on it. > If you have more on the Raines/Wynne's than are in the genealogy books and > what is available at the LDS library, then sure, I want all the data I can > conjure up. You know us Raines folks.. we never have enough information to > suit us. > In the past 6 weeks while I was off-line, I went over all the data I have > collected on my Raines for the last 27 years, and found there is absolutely, > no information to connect my William Raines to any of the R.C.N.C. that came > out of Caroline Co., Va. That is when I widened my search to other counties > in Va. and especially into Surry and Albermarle Cos. > Angelica Wynne married William Raines(he has no birthdate) and they produced > William Raines b. June 25, 1739. He married Jane Green and they produced > (who I think is my) William Raines b. Feb. 10, 1762. > As to right now, we cannot go back further, but hopefully can pick up on > these families soon and find where they all scattered to. > All comments welcome! > Mary masdal@graceba.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <baxter60@aol.com> > To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:44 PM > Subject: Re: [RAINS] Finallly back on line > > > > No you are searching the wrong place in Virginia. You're William is the > one > > in NC. You do have you're dates about right, I believe. There were several > > Williams in RCNC but they are hard to date. Now if you insist, I can send > > what I have on the William who married into Wynne family; however, this > > family has been researched pretty well. Let me know, Vergil Raines > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

I know my William is in N.C. later on, but he had to come from somewhere. It is well noted that the Wynne family and that particular Raines family eased off down into N.C. They kept on buying land further down on each move. I can find no connection what-so-ever with any of the Raines that were in R.C.N.C. at that time. I have been researching the libraries and the LDS library here and we have high hopes that we have finally made the connection. I will know more Monday when I go back to the LDS library with further data. I have a person who is a long standing church member there and well aquainted with all the data helping me and she also thinks with what they have and what I have that we will make the connection. She said she is willing to bet HER genealogy on it. If you have more on the Raines/Wynne's than are in the genealogy books and what is available at the LDS library, then sure, I want all the data I can conjure up. You know us Raines folks.. we never have enough information to suit us. In the past 6 weeks while I was off-line, I went over all the data I have collected on my Raines for the last 27 years, and found there is absolutely, no information to connect my William Raines to any of the R.C.N.C. that came out of Caroline Co., Va. That is when I widened my search to other counties in Va. and especially into Surry and Albermarle Cos. Angelica Wynne married William Raines(he has no birthdate) and they produced William Raines b. June 25, 1739. He married Jane Green and they produced (who I think is my) William Raines b. Feb. 10, 1762. As to right now, we cannot go back further, but hopefully can pick up on these families soon and find where they all scattered to. All comments welcome! Mary masdal@graceba.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <baxter60@aol.com> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [RAINS] Finallly back on line > No you are searching the wrong place in Virginia. You're William is the one > in NC. You do have you're dates about right, I believe. There were several > Williams in RCNC but they are hard to date. Now if you insist, I can send > what I have on the William who married into Wynne family; however, this > family has been researched pretty well. Let me know, Vergil Raines

No you are searching the wrong place in Virginia. You're William is the one in NC. You do have you're dates about right, I believe. There were several Williams in RCNC but they are hard to date. Now if you insist, I can send what I have on the William who married into Wynne family; however, this family has been researched pretty well. Let me know, Vergil Raines

Hello everyone! I know I have missed out on a lot of information while I was down, but if there was information passed on about my William Rains of Randolph County N.C., I hope some kind person will share that with me. My William had to be born around 1760-62. John, his first son was born 1785. There seems to be no connection to any of the other Randolph Co. Raines, so I have been researching the William Raines that married into the Virginia family of Wynne's, but can only find that particular William Raines and supposedly a brother Jefferson Raines. If anyone can further that genealogy, I would be greatly beholden to you. Thanks Mary masdal@graceba.net

thanks ! I'm headed to NC next week, Rowan, Mecklenburg, etc area. Charlotte Rains had a mother and a father, now if I could just figure out who they were ! Renea Burkholder grburk@midsouth.net TNGenWeb Decatur Co., TN http://www.netease.net/decatur/ TNGenWeb Perry Co., TN http://www.netease.net/perry/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <baxter60@aol.com> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:16 PM Subject: [RAINS] " Bits and Pieces" > Renea, my opinion of your questions are : (1) Ishmael is listed as Israel on > 1790 census. (2) George and John , Ishmael's sons are not listed on 1790 > census as it shows George with 8 children and John with 4 children with 2 > above 16yrs. of age. Question is why were none of Ishmael's sons listed. > There are all listed, I suppose listed on 1800 census. At least it shows 2 > Georges, 1 John and 1 Ambrose. Now it is my belief that John on 1790 census > died in 1804 and could be the father of Ishmael, Lawrence and etc. This is > what I believe until proven differently. Remember all of this statement is > only my opinion. Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com > I do not believe that A Robert Sr. was the father of Lawrence and Ishmael > simply there are too many Johns and no Roberts born to Lawrence and Ishmael. > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Renea, I show that Robert,the son of George, had a daugther named Sarah who married George Washington Rains,b.12/6/1802 and died 1/2/1855. In the 1820 census of Warren co.,Tenn. Asahuel is shown with four sons and two daugthers. Vergil

O yes Renea to question (4). If you believe that Ishmael is listed as Israel on 1790 census, then the census shows 6 children. Vergil

Renea, my opinion of your questions are : (1) Ishmael is listed as Israel on 1790 census. (2) George and John , Ishmael's sons are not listed on 1790 census as it shows George with 8 children and John with 4 children with 2 above 16yrs. of age. Question is why were none of Ishmael's sons listed. There are all listed, I suppose listed on 1800 census. At least it shows 2 Georges, 1 John and 1 Ambrose. Now it is my belief that John on 1790 census died in 1804 and could be the father of Ishmael, Lawrence and etc. This is what I believe until proven differently. Remember all of this statement is only my opinion. Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com I do not believe that A Robert Sr. was the father of Lawrence and Ishmael simply there are too many Johns and no Roberts born to Lawrence and Ishmael.

Sue, lost the "thread" somewhere - where did who find what? I've been working on my morning caffeine, but maybe have had too much! Renea Burkholder grburk@midsouth.net TNGenWeb Decatur Co., TN http://www.netease.net/decatur/ TNGenWeb Perry Co., TN http://www.netease.net/perry/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <SusieKnu1@aol.com> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 10:54 AM Subject: [RAINS] Re: RAINS-D Digest V01 #78 > Oh wow, where did you find that. Originally I thought I had a Polly Rains in > our line but have not proven it as yet. Such an interesting iece of history > and genealogy. Keep that coming! > > Suzanne ("Sue") Knudsen > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Oh wow, where did you find that. Originally I thought I had a Polly Rains in our line but have not proven it as yet. Such an interesting iece of history and genealogy. Keep that coming! Suzanne ("Sue") Knudsen

Does anyone know who's widow this is? On 1850 Decatur Co, TN census Mary Rains age 39/59 b TN R. Z. (m) age 23 N. C. (m) age 21 J. W. P (m) age 18 J. W. (m) age 15 Martha age 13 Wm P. age 11 H. H. (m) age 9 On 1860 census, I do not find Mary, but I do find : R. Z. age 33 as a head of household. Thanks! Renea Burkholder grburk@midsouth.net TNGenWeb Decatur Co., TN http://www.netease.net/decatur/ TNGenWeb Perry Co., TN http://www.netease.net/perry/