Heather, I emailed the Middlesboro Newspaper asking for information as to who is really responsible for the upkeep of the Hensley Cemetery and to please contact me as to the distruction in the cemetery, the dirt bike riders, the parties, etc that is going on there. As of yet, I have not had a reply from them, and somehow, I really don't expect one. I guess they don't want the story. If there is anyway possible, please help me inform all the Marsee Researchers and maybe we can get together and stop the distruction and posssibly find a way to force a fence, relocation of graves, and markers, and find a way to fund the maintenance. These are our ancestors, it hurts to know they are not shown the respect that they should have after laboring a long hard life. After all, they did not give any of us the graves free, the markers free, or the funeral free. We did pay for all of it, and I really feel that someone is responsible for keeping some type of contract to the living. Please let me hear from you. I am really concerned. dee

Bob found someone else who you might want to contact pekunkel@arn.net descends from Martin van Buren . what is your Raines linage. i have mine back to the birth date of 1793 but cant seem to go back any further mine is Dolores Raines Sutton 1938 Okla Robert Colombus Raines 1893-1977[my Dad]Ark-Mo-Okla John Allen Raines 1854-1930 Ala-Ark -Mo- okla William Bailey Raines 1819-1880s Ala-Ark-Mo. James Raines 1793 -1870s S.C.-Ala James showed up in Lawrence Co ala in 1818 where he married Milla Barton then moved to walker co ala and remained there the rest of his life. he had a bro Robert who moved where ever he did. i THINK he also had a bro. William who was in Lawrence co in 1818 also but havent proven this. have not proven who their parents were more later Dolores Raines Sutton ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

second part of letter dated 1968 i have talked with several people most of them now deseased about the murder of Bone Raines. none of them have told me the reason why. mrs Napps told me on may24 1968 that her grandpa Bone rains was a babtist minister and that the 2 Rains brothers went to Hariselle?the day Bone was killed. sometime before the murder Bones wife Malindy dreamed of a big snake on a log and she woke her husband praying because she felt this was a bad omen.she told her husband she felt there was something bad going to happen to him and she wanted him to be ready. he said 'liddy ,dont worry i keep them papers ready all the time. Mrs Margaret Ransom b 1873 at Somerville Ala told me she was 17 yrs old when Bob Rains hung for the murder of his brother Bone Bob Rains had a private hanging no spectators were allowed. Mrs rasom believes this was about march 1890 just before the courthouse was moved to Decatur. Mrs knapp told me she had heard her uncle tell about a man riding to their home on his grandfathers horse the morning after the murder and telling them Bones Raines body had been found in what was called ;THE LONG BOTTOMS'between Hartselle and Moulton ala Mr Houstin Daniel born 1882 died 1968 told me in July 1967 that Bob Rains spent the night after he killed his brotherin their home and Mr Houstin slept with him. Houstin Daniels was the son of David and Laura Alexander Daniels I asked Mr daniels why Bob spent the night with them .he didnt know and didnt know if they were related but he did not sleep because Bob was so restless ans after he left the next morning his father commented that something was worrying Bob. a little while later Bob was arrested for the murder. After Bones death his widow Malinda Rochelle Nesmith and her children and stepchildren except Charlie went to Texas. Mrs Knapp thinks PIckett raines went to Novarro co Tex,and some of the others went to Bosgne?co Tex. eron Vest1st wife of Pickett and Cora vest wife of George were sisters Court records in Morgan co have not been checked these might yield more info. This is the end of this letter Family sheet of Steven Daniels was also with letter Dolores ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

i found some old letters that i recieved as far back as 1968 fron fellow Raines researchers and will post them as they may help someone in their search May 20 1968 from Mrs clyde Mc Intire Your letter recieved on relatives to Rains of Ala and very much appreciated. The 1850 census of Lawrence co ala shows Raines George W. 34 Tenn Eliza 33 Tenn Robert 14 Ala Martha 10 ala Manerva 8 Ala Napolean 4 Ala Ellen 2mo Ala Bald Knob Cem Lawrence Co ala Napolean Raines b. 4-25-1845 d. 1-7-1889 Charles Rains b. 12-23-1870 d. 8-27-1925 Lucy Raines 11-27-1873 d. 2-10-1904 Rachel Raines b. 11-191838 d. 4-20-1877 the land for this cem was given by steven Jefferson Daniels,son of my Ggg Grandfather and a Mr Rhodes ,his brother-in -law Eliza Daniels wed George Rains 1833 in Morgan Co ala we believe she was the dau of Steven Daniels i am inclosing some datafrom relatives we have talked to many people and have heard of Napolean[BONE] being killed by his brother BOB.Some of the Raines Family who went to Texas supposley has a family Bible inclosed Data: Napolean Bonaparte Raina married 1st Rachel Elizabeth Hampton in lawrence co Ala 10-27-1867 their children were: [1]Pickett 1st married Eron Vest 2nd mrs Dolly Hardy[a widow] [2]Charlie married 1st Anna Batey @nd Lucy Batey 3rd Susie Johnson [3] Lou married Hennis Putman Napolean Boneparte married 2nd Malinda Michelle nesmith 10-27-1878 in Lawrence co . their children were [1] Napolean Bonaparte Jr [2]Rufus [3] George W. married Cora Vest [4] Sally married Tink Berry this info was given to me by Mrs Sue Bert of decatur ala,dau of Charlie and his 1st wife annie Sue Bert 1st married ephiam Hampton in lawrence co 2nd F.E.Kapps Mrs Knapp told me charlies 1st and 2nd wives were sisters his 2nd wife his 2nd wife died 5 or 6 wks after they married she could not recall who napolean jr or Rufus Married. she said her grandfather died when charlie was very young Napolean and his second wife Malinda were living in Lawrence co near the Morgan co line More later Dolores ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I am not searching for Rains forward. My forward Raines search ends when Patsey Rains married my ggrandfather, Henry Leonard in 1810 in Randolph Co., N.C. My Raines search ONLY goes backwards. I was simply posting what I found while looking for the ancestors I knew were on the census's, to make copies because I wasn't smart enough to do that when I had them in my hand 27 years ago in Iowa! I had hoped to quite possibly help someone by posting what I had found and to let any researcher know that there were no other Rains(es) on the other 2 census. I will be going through Jefferson and Davis County , Iowa as soon as it arrives. If I find anything there, I will post it, also. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: <baxter60@aol.com> To: <RAINS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [RAINS] Rains > Mary if you are looking for Rains in Iowa, go to Mills County. Vergil > > > > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Mary if you are looking for Rains in Iowa, go to Mills County. Vergil

I have been going over 1850, 1860, and 1870 Wapello Co., Iowa census this past week, and found this family yesterday. Is any body looking for them? This is the only Rains in all the census I mentioned. Kirksville/Richland Township, Wapello Co., Iowa, 1870 Dwelling #1 Isaac Rains 48 Blacksmith b. Va. Charlotte(Charolette) 36 b. Ind. Thomas 15 b. Ind Charles 10 b. Ind. Mary F. 12 b. Ind. Lettie 3 b. Iowa Elsworth 3 months b. Iowa Harrison L. 2 b. Iowa Mary

Etta Raines I have info on Raines in Red River Texas family of John Raines,James William Raines and Martin Vanburen Raines. e mail me and i will check my info for you dolores ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Dear Virgil and Nancy, I have been sitting here in Colorado watching this discussion on the Rains names on the 1799 tax lists. I may have a clue for you. I am searching for a John Rains, during this time period, in Randolph Co. He was born in 1772 in NC and left for TN about 1808 then Ray County, MO.in the early 1830's. Accompanying him on the journey were the Craven family. This listing, esp. as you noted below--the Windsor Pierce list mentioned a John Rains, Sr. that noone seems to know about. In an earlier post, there was mention of a Hennery Rains listed with the Craven family. My question is whether this Windsor Pierce list also listed Cravens? Especially in MO, the Rains and Cravens intermarried. John, mentioned above, had a sister, Elizabeth Catherine who married Richard C. Craven and John's daughter, married Jeremiah Craven, son of Joshua. Since I have never been to NC (but hope to someday), I keep hoping I will find a substantial clue somewhere that is proof that John Rains did in fact live in Randolph County. As for him being John Rains, SR., I have no John Rains, JR in the children I have identified so far. But, that doesn't mean there wasn't a JR. at some point in time. I have never seen any of these tax books so am just going on what you all have posted. Virgil, this is the same John Rains you attempted to identify for me previously. I just felt that since this tax list listed one, I needed to see what others knew. Kay Winter Colorado Springs, CO -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Martin [mailto:jam@asheboro.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 7:57 AM To: RAINS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAINS] RAINS Vergil, I am familiar with the Randolph Co. Heritage books which are compilations of family stories and histories submitted by individuals. You correctly quoted the portion of the Raines article that listed those on the 1779 tax list. However, some of those names do not match the 1779 list abstracted by William Perry Johnson and published in The North Carolinian-A Quarterly Journal of Genealogy and History Vol. II, No. 2, June 1956. This copy has been on file with other Randolph Co. tax lists in the Randolph Room of the Randolph Co. Public Library for some time. The best news is that this list has been re-researched, corrections made in Johnson's transcription, and details of property given. It was recently published (Spring 2000) in three installments in the Randolph Co. Genealogical Journal, Vol. XXIV, No. 1, 2, 3. As in Johnson's list, there are eight Rains Men - Robert Rains in Joseph Hinds' list, John Rains, Sr. in Windsor Pierce's list, Ishmael Rains, Robert Rains, Anthony Rains, Laurence Rains, James Rains, and George Rains in John Hinds' list. The original document can be found in the NC State Archives, Secretary of State Papers, SS837. The source was given in the 2000 publication above. I had always planned to check out the original myself, but when it was recently published, I didn't see a burning need to. Maybe I still will. Nancy ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

O yes Nancy by your E-Mail address you must be sitting right in the middle of these Rains are am I just assuming to much Ha! Vergil

Nancy, You did not mention A " Hennary nor a Leonard' in your research. I've seen Leonard but this article was the first to mention Hennary(Henry, I assume). This is the guy I would like to know about. Also who is Robert Sr. and John Sr. as we do not have any birth dates for sure on them. O- well one of these days. Vergil Raines

Vergil, I am familiar with the Randolph Co. Heritage books which are compilations of family stories and histories submitted by individuals. You correctly quoted the portion of the Raines article that listed those on the 1779 tax list. However, some of those names do not match the 1779 list abstracted by William Perry Johnson and published in The North Carolinian-A Quarterly Journal of Genealogy and History Vol. II, No. 2, June 1956. This copy has been on file with other Randolph Co. tax lists in the Randolph Room of the Randolph Co. Public Library for some time. The best news is that this list has been re-researched, corrections made in Johnson's transcription, and details of property given. It was recently published (Spring 2000) in three installments in the Randolph Co. Genealogical Journal, Vol. XXIV, No. 1, 2, 3. As in Johnson's list, there are eight Rains Men - Robert Rains in Joseph Hinds' list, John Rains, Sr. in Windsor Pierce's list, Ishmael Rains, Robert Rains, Anthony Rains, Laurence Rains, James Rains, and George Rains in John Hinds' list. The original document can be found in the NC State Archives, Secretary of State Papers, SS837. The source was given in the 2000 publication above. I had always planned to check out the original myself, but when it was recently published, I didn't see a burning need to. Maybe I still will. Nancy

Hey Virgil, Since my library dosen't have much, I would have to travel pretty far to check at a larger library. I will wait until you learn how to scan. (Don't feel too bad, I look at my scanner and wish I knew how to use it too. Maybe after you learn, you can pass it across the net.) Ha. dee baxter60@aol.com wrote: > " The Heritage of Randolph County, North Carolina" Volume II-1999. Most > Genealogy Lib. has this book. The problem is finding 1999 or newer. You could > also write Randolph Public Library Asheboro, North Carolina and they would > make you a copy of the section on the Raines Family section 354. If I could > every learn how to scan onto computer and title it I could E-mail you a copy. > I guess I best get me a computer man out and show me how -huh. > Let me know how you come out. Maybe by then I will know how to scan it to > you. Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Is anyone working on RAINS in Pryor, Mayes County, Oklahoma? I am looking for Etta Engle Rains. Thank you, Shirley

Delores and others, Martin Van Buren is my ggrandfather, and I would be interested in sharing information with any of you. Martin Van Buren married Delilah Catherine Travis, and had several children, one of which was Laura Texas who married Valentine Drake, my grandparents. Please e-mail me at pekunkel@arn.net Pat Kunkel

I can only repeat what this article says " Randolph County's first tax list of 1779 lists Ishmael,John Sr., and Robert. It also introduces the following Rains: George Sr. and Jr.,Ambors,Hennary,William,Laurence,James,Anthony and Leonard." Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com

The 1779 tax list is Randolph Co., NC's first tax list. Henry Rains does not appear on this list. Hennary Rains (1 white poll -no land) is, however, on Thomas Craven's List of Taxable Property in 1799. Henry Rains is on the 1800 Randolph Co. census (20110-22010-00). I hope I have those numbers in the census correct. I haven't checked the original. At this time I have found no other reference to a Henry in Randolph. baxter60@aol.com wrote: > Bob, I've been intending to write, but now is OK. Have you seen the article " > The Heritage of Randolph County, North Carolina?" This article mentions a > Hennary on 1779 tax list. Could this be the Henry you've been looking for. > Let me know. Vergil Baxter60@aol.com > > ==== RAINS Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Add as many as 10 Good Years To Your Life > If you know how to reduce these risks. > http://www.thirdage.com/health/wecare/hearthealth/index.html

" The Heritage of Randolph County, North Carolina" Volume II-1999. Most Genealogy Lib. has this book. The problem is finding 1999 or newer. You could also write Randolph Public Library Asheboro, North Carolina and they would make you a copy of the section on the Raines Family section 354. If I could every learn how to scan onto computer and title it I could E-mail you a copy. I guess I best get me a computer man out and show me how -huh. Let me know how you come out. Maybe by then I will know how to scan it to you. Vergil Raines Baxter60@aol.com

Vergil, Where can article "Heritage of Randolph County NC" be found?

Bob, I've been intending to write, but now is OK. Have you seen the article " The Heritage of Randolph County, North Carolina?" This article mentions a Hennary on 1779 tax list. Could this be the Henry you've been looking for. Let me know. Vergil Baxter60@aol.com