M'ellen Wm & Bridget "R" began having children in 1717 with son John who died a yr later in 1818. So Wm was abt 27 yrs old when John was born. Also there is a Jemima "R" who md George Oliver in 1745 and a Margaret "R" who md in 1748 according to St Paul's Parish register, Stafford. They have not been assigned parents that I know of. Do you have the parents for these two? So yes, both Wm-2 & Charles-2 likely had other older children that has not been found or recorded. To my knowledge there was no age limit as to when children could recieve inheritance or gifts. Powell b. 1722 could recieve his inheritance/gifts at age 11. Powell "R"-3 b. 1722 had his first son Wm-4 b. "BY" 1750. He was NOT a minor in 1770 so likely born abt 1748/49, possibly a couple of yrs earlier. Son Powell-4 is listed 1771 Bute Tax list. Powell-4 was likely also born "by" 1750 (not a minor). Sons that were minors by 1770 (according to court doc's in Bute & Warren) were John, James, Charles, and Richard. Also note that Wm's 1770 Will does not mention daughters, only his wife Priscella. Why? He must have had daughters out of six sons. Powell "R" simply died somewhat young abt age 48 and left minors/orphans to be cared for. I see no reason why he is not the Powell-3 b. 1722 s/o Wm-3/Bridget of VA. Which Wm "R" in Surry NC do you think is f/o Wm Powell "R" of Bute NC? Also Powell-3 (b. 1722) name was used interchangebly as either Powell or Wm Powell. His birth rec. of 1722 list him as "Powell" His father Wm-2 list him as "Wm Powell" in his 1746 will in 1770 Bute doc's re: his orphaned sons John & James, he is referred to as "Wm Powell" in 1783 re: orphaned son Richard he is referred to as "Powell" JW Garrett

You are correct on 1717 birth of John, and 1718 death. Bridget died the day she was born. VA law which we must refer to as NC is gone...must be 14 for personals (17 to sell personals 21 for land) and 21 for control of land... thus the guardian till of age as land could go to pot... I will find specific ref.) Please note Wm of Surry among my notes in brackets below...M'ellen -------------------------------------------------- From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:51 AM To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] William R's > > M'ellen > > Wm & Bridget "R" began having children in 1717 with son John who died a yr > later in 1818. So Wm was abt 27 yrs old when John was born. ( see note > above) > Also there is a Jemima "R" who md George Oliver in 1745 and a Margaret "R" > who md in 1748 according to St Paul's Parish register, Stafford. They > have not been assigned parents that I know of. Do you have the parents > for these two? > So yes, both Wm-2 & Charles-2 likely had other older children that has not > been found or recorded. > > To my knowledge there was no age limit as to when children could recieve > inheritance or gifts. Powell b. 1722 could recieve his inheritance/gifts > at age 11. ( see note above) > > Powell "R"-3 b. 1722 had his first son Wm-4 b. "BY" 1750. He was NOT a > minor in 1770 so likely born abt 1748/49, possibly a couple of yrs > earlier. (Okay...This works, but How do we know it is the 1722 guy... ) Son Powell-4 is listed 1771 Bute Tax list. Powell-4 was likely also born "by" 1750 (not a minor). > Sons that were minors by 1770 (according to court doc's in Bute & Warren) > were John, James, Charles, and Richard. Also note that Wm's 1770 Will > does not mention daughters, only his wife Priscella. Why? He must have > had daughters out of six sons. Powell "R" simply died somewhat young abt > age 48 and left minors/orphans to be cared for. > I see no reason why he is not the Powell-3 b. 1722 s/o Wm-3/Bridget of VA. > ( I see no reason to think he is , though I do think he COULD be the > Powell in Grace Powell's will, but not necessarily so. I believe the > William in Grace's will could easily remarried and had more children, > which has no bearing on Powell. ) Would it be possible, in your mind, for the William Powell, mentioned in the estate settlement of William Powell d. 1744 Stafford VA to be the 1770 NC will guy with the 6 sons, but NOT the Powell of 1722. BTW, I have never seen an original will...don't know if there is one...what we have is the final distribution, not the actual will, and it does NOT ID Kesiah or Eliz as daughters... just pays them... in fact, I'm not sure it calls William Powell R a son??? I have a synopsis in my notes, not an original. > > Which Wm "R" in Surry NC do you think is f/o Wm Powell "R" of Bute NC? > (we have 2 refs * and one related ref ...) DB-2, page 306. 29 September 1769, JOSEPH RAGGAN (RIGGAN) & MARY, his wife, to WILLIAM DURHAM,SR., both of Parish of Saint Johns, Bute Co. 30 Pds. Va. money for 100 A. in Parish & Co. afsd. on ES Little Hobb Quarter adj. WM.WALKER, WM.DURHAM & WILLIAM RAGGAN. Wit: JOHN RAGGAN, SAMUEL DURHAM, RELAH MANGRAM. Proved by JOHN DURHAM, Bute November Court 1769, BEN McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg; 24 January 1770, by WILLIAM JOHNSON, P.R. ( note, there is a William here already) *DB-2, page 308. 25 February 1769. JOSEPH RIGGAN & MARY RIGGAN, of Bute Co., to WM. RIGGAN, of Surrey Co., Va. l0 Pds. Va. money for 100 A. in Bute Co. on ES Little Creek. Wit: WILLIAM DURHAM, JOHN RIGGAN, SAMUEL DURHAM. Proved by JOHN RIGGAN, Bute November Court 1769, BEN McCULLOCH, C.C. Reg: 25 January 1770, by WILLIAM JOHNSON, P.R. ( Note, there is a William still in Surry) *DB-3, page 183. 8 December 1770. WILLIAM RIGGAN (RAGGON), of Surry Co., Va., to WILLIAM DURHAM, of Bute Co. 15 Pds:lO Va. money for 1OO A. in Bute Co. on ES the Great Branch adj. JOSEPH RAGGON & WILLIAM RAGGON. Wit: HENRY FOOT, WILLIAM COLCLOUGH, JOHN RIGGAN, SAMUEL DURHAM. Prov: by WILLIAM COLCLOUGH,JR. Bute Feb. Court 1771, BEN McCULLOCH,C.C. Reg:2 May 1771, WILLIAM JOHNSON,P.R. ( Note, there is a William still in surry) Remember, William Durham ( wife Margaret Colclough) was born in 1715 Stafford Co VA to Samuel and Mary Regon Durham. They move or were redistricted into Farquier Co .Then the Durhams sell out and with the Colcloughs, and senior Durhams, also head for NC. This bunch of R's is all James and Joan ! The William of Surry stays there. Don't forget, this gang sure sounds like the bunch in Westmorland Va< whom Nola Duffy spoke of, that move across VA and into NC : "William's brother, Samuel Thompson, must have left him a very well to do man for he and his son, Samuel, were left most of his brother's property. He was the only one of the sons of Rev. William Thompson who left children. He made his will December 20, 1731, probated October 18, 1732. The will is badly torn and partly destroyed. He names son, Samuel Thompson; daughter Katherine; daughter Hannah Thompson (devised 100 acres on land on Deep Branch); son John (10 acres after the decease of his mother and the gun and pistols given him by William Moseley) and grandchildren, Samuel and Mary Thompson (rest and remainder of his estate). The Witnesses were Jane Regan, Mary Regan and Mary Mastin. (Will Bk. 8, p. 240). His son, William, must have been included in part of the will that is missing for it is proven by his brother, Samuel Thompson's will that he had a son, William. In naming his brother William's children he named William as the third child. John Thompson also mentioned brother William in his will. Samuel Thompson (William, William, John), born circa 1686 married Sarah Edwards. He was a witness to Michael Harris' will Jan. 1739 (Bk. 9, p. 464); to John Bamers will on Oct 2, 1731; and to his brother-in-law William Edwards' will on Feb. 10, 1744. There is a deed Oct. 24, 1748 from Samuel and Sarah Thompson to John Thompson, both of Surry for 23 acres, part of 150 acres Samuel purchased of Joseph King and Catherine, his wife, land on east side of Cypress Swamp. Witnesses were John Riggan, Sen., Wm. George, John Riggan, Jun. and Joseph Riggan (Bk. 5, p. 371). On August 31, 1751 Samuel deeded to his brother, John Thompson, 250 acres on east side of Cypress Swamp (Bk. 6, p. 439). It would appear these deed represent the sale of property in anticipation of moving to North Carolina. (Note the references to members of the Riggan family. )" Though no William is mentioned here, it is here that Grace Powell wrote her will. Part of Stafford became Westmorland.) > > Also Powell-3 (b. 1722) name was used interchangebly as either Powell or > Wm Powell. ( by whom...us? or folk in the period. Both Grace's will and St > Pauls' only uses Powell, at the same time they keep saying Elizabeth > Bridget...inconsistently picky. > His birth rec. of 1722 list him as "Powell" > His father Wm-2 list him as "Wm Powell" in his 1746 will...prove they are > the same two... > in 1770 Bute doc's re: his orphaned sons John & James, he is referred to > as "Wm Powell" I agree this guy is Wm Powell R with sons both Powell and > Wm. > in 1783 re: orphaned son Richard he is referred to as "Powell" (Now, > James, this is a point! LOL) > > JW Garrett > > As a total non sequiter...Catherine Foote married Lawrence > Washington...the grandson of John Jr who sued Gale to get him back. > Catherine's father, according to the St Paul Register was the same Richard > Foote Jr that Grace Powell left her violin to...ahhh, and the same Richard > Foote who was grandfather to Henry Foote who married Margaret Colclough > Foote Shearin Burford already mentioned, who should not be confused with > the Margaret Colclough who married William Durham. Ms. Durham was aunt to > Ms Foote via Ms Durham's brother William...are we having fun yet? And > they all lived together in a little crooked house... Tell me again these > early Rgn's in Bute are any but James and Joan...logically...really... > M'ellen Oh Oh...I see new mail...we are crossing... BTW there is the problem of a Mathew Reagan that died in Stafford in 1716...no age given. > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

M'ellen Re: Wm R's of Bute NC in May 1765 Bute a Wm Powell & Wm Riggan witnessed an account sale of Daniel Harris, dec'd. I am guessing this is the Wm Powell Riggan-3 of Stafford VA?? I note that you mention a Michael Harris whose will written 1739 was witnessed by Samuel Thompson. Any connection? The Sept 1769 Bute NC abtract mentions a "Wm Raggan". Is this Wm Powell-3 or his son Wm-4 from Stafford VA or Wm of Surry VA. The abtract does not say "Wm of...". The only Wm of Surry VA I know of is the Wm b. abt 1730 (John-3, Francis-2) who had sons John, Wm, & Ira. This Wm of Surry died 1813 in Surry VA. Whereas the Feb 1769 Bute NC abtracts does identify "Wm Riggan of Surrey VA" The Dec 1770 Bute NC abtract mentions both "Wm Riggan of Surry VA" and a "Wm Raggon" This Wm Raggon is likely Wm Powell R-3 or son Wm-4, likely Wm-4 since Wm Powell "R" has dec'd earlier in the year. JW Garrett