I don't believe John/Eliz. of JAmes/Joan ever left Charles Co MD, or any of his left either. I think the Chapman chick married a Mathew, son of John/Eliz2, James/Joan1 and the Mathew dead 1716 Stafford is Mathew2, James/Joan1. I believe the Margaret, Jane, ( ?) I'm missing one...) in Stafford belong either to this Mathew, or to Charles, of James,/Joan. I think the Charles having kids in Stafford after 1731 is third generation. he is a grandson of JAmes/Joan via Charles Sr. there are no St Paul's records before 1716. Unless you can find me a Charles in MD or VA before 1716...he's dead. There is none in MD. John has MAthew pop up in all the Chapman stuff... then we have a later Wm and a John in nearby CAroline...I think these are sons of MAthew, ...James1, John2, Mathew3 Mathew4 ( and John 4). In fact, I think the 1752 sale is a grandson selling back to an uncle before going.... where???? Do we have any loose MAthew's popping up after 1752? When John Wood III dies, we see 4 half sibs around the deathbed...two of them male. This was in 1740.There is no guarantee that 4 half sibs was the total # of kids John Regan had. There just happened to be 4 of them hanging around the Wood death bed. The youngest of them could be absolutely no younger than 13. The oldest could be no older than 25. Old enough to be off on his own. So there may be a John here. However, this mythical 25 year old would be 33 in 1748 when we need a John Sr and John Jr to witness the Thompson deed in Surry. If we assume the John Jr and the John Sr are father and son...which is not always true, then they cannot be the son and grandson of John/Eliz2, James/Joan1... there isn't time for the younger to be older than 13 and he could not have witnessed anything. Sigh. I don't like any of the known men. What do we know of John the son of Joseph Sr??? Bro of Joseph Jr...uncle to John, Ralph, Richard....How old would he be? Old enough to have a son of age? Then there's Dan'l1, Francis2, Francis3, Joseph...do we have any kidlets for him? He's about 15 estimated years older than John/Bell. What do we know of his father ( Francis3, Francis2, Dan'l1)? Why do I have this Joseph's mother and grandmother both listed as Jane????? Yeesh! If this Joseph had a brother John we'd be rolling! John b. 1705 son of Francis2, Dan'l1 is my favorite candidate for everything. I just like the cut of his jib. I hate to give him a son out of whole cloth, but it's doable. I'd like to know mare about the sons we do have... Just a thought I have been meaning to put out there.... Don't get carried away by the Dan'ls in the line of Francis of Bute/Warren NC. Daniel was the signature name for the Pegrams...and the Rgns married Pegrams like Cracker Jack prizes.... Dan'l Pegram held the purse strings...so everybody had a Dan'l. I do realize that in all logical likelihood, we are going to have to accept the Dan'l of Surry VA and the James/Joan of Charles MD as one related entity....but then the Daniel's of Isle of Wight have to come into the fold also...they aren't going away. And Yeah...maybe, if we can drop the mythic trash about Teigh Reigh and his kingship of Ireland...we may find connection here also. Ya ever notice how every family Indian was a chief, and every shamrock hugger was a king....LOL, M'ellen Horrigan -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:41 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Maryellen Is it possible that John-3 (Francis-2) b. by 1705 of Surry VA who had sons Wm-4, Benj-4, and Jesse-4 could have also had a son John b. by 1727 who md Ann Bell? Is all of Johns-3 sons accounted for...only Wm, Benj, Jesse or could there be others? I still think Joseph/Mary Rgn of Bute NC could be the Joseph-4 s/o Francis-3. Could have Francis-3 have had other sons other than Joseph-4... perhaps John Sr b. by 1706? John-2 (James/Joan) /Elizabeth X Wood would have had children b. 1714-1729. It's unlikely John b. by 1706 could be a son. JW Garrett for Ragan-Roots archives go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

M'ellen Joseph Rgn-3 (Francis-2) only had the son Joseph Jr-4 according to his will. He did not have a son John as you implied. JW Garrett --------------------------------------------------- > From: mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:56:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Maryellen > > I don't believe John/Eliz. of JAmes/Joan ever left Charles Co MD, or any of > his left either. I think the Chapman chick married a Mathew, son of > John/Eliz2, James/Joan1 and the Mathew dead 1716 Stafford is Mathew2, > James/Joan1. I believe the Margaret, Jane, ( ?) I'm missing one...) in > Stafford belong either to this Mathew, or to Charles, of James,/Joan. I > think the Charles having kids in Stafford after 1731 is third generation. he > is a grandson of JAmes/Joan via Charles Sr. there are no St Paul's records > before 1716. Unless you can find me a Charles in MD or VA before 1716...he's > dead. There is none in MD. John has MAthew pop up in all the Chapman > stuff... then we have a later Wm and a John in nearby CAroline...I think > these are sons of MAthew, ...James1, John2, Mathew3 Mathew4 ( and John 4). > In fact, I think the 1752 sale is a grandson selling back to an uncle before > going.... where???? Do we have any loose MAthew's popping up after 1752? > > When John Wood III dies, we see 4 half sibs around the deathbed...two of > them male. This was in 1740.There is no guarantee that 4 half sibs was the > total # of kids John Regan had. There just happened to be 4 of them hanging > around the Wood death bed. The youngest of them could be absolutely no > younger than 13. The oldest could be no older than 25. Old enough to be off > on his own. So there may be a John here. However, this mythical 25 year old > would be 33 in 1748 when we need a John Sr and John Jr to witness the > Thompson deed in Surry. If we assume the John Jr and the John Sr are father > and son...which is not always true, then they cannot be the son and grandson > of John/Eliz2, James/Joan1... there isn't time for the younger to be older > than 13 and he could not have witnessed anything. Sigh. I don't like any of > the known men. What do we know of John the son of Joseph Sr??? Bro of Joseph > Jr...uncle to John, Ralph, Richard....How old would he be? Old enough to > have a son of age? > > Then there's Dan'l1, Francis2, Francis3, Joseph...do we have any kidlets for > him? He's about 15 estimated years older than John/Bell. What do we know of > his father ( Francis3, Francis2, Dan'l1)? Why do I have this Joseph's mother > and grandmother both listed as Jane????? Yeesh! If this Joseph had a brother > John we'd be rolling! > > John b. 1705 son of Francis2, Dan'l1 is my favorite candidate for > everything. I just like the cut of his jib. I hate to give him a son out of > whole cloth, but it's doable. I'd like to know mare about the sons we do > have... > > Just a thought I have been meaning to put out there.... Don't get carried > away by the Dan'ls in the line of Francis of Bute/Warren NC. Daniel was the > signature name for the Pegrams...and the Rgns married Pegrams like Cracker > Jack prizes.... Dan'l Pegram held the purse strings...so everybody had a > Dan'l. > > I do realize that in all logical likelihood, we are going to have to accept > the Dan'l of Surry VA and the James/Joan of Charles MD as one related > entity....but then the Daniel's of Isle of Wight have to come into the fold > also...they aren't going away. And Yeah...maybe, if we can drop the mythic > trash about Teigh Reigh and his kingship of Ireland...we may find connection > here also. Ya ever notice how every family Indian was a chief, and every > shamrock hugger was a king....LOL, M'ellen Horrigan > > -----Original Message----- > From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of james garrett > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:41 PM > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Maryellen > > > Is it possible that John-3 (Francis-2) b. by 1705 of Surry VA who had sons > Wm-4, Benj-4, and Jesse-4 could have also had a son John b. by 1727 who md > Ann Bell? Is all of Johns-3 sons accounted for...only Wm, Benj, Jesse or > could there be others? > > I still think Joseph/Mary Rgn of Bute NC could be the Joseph-4 s/o > Francis-3. > Could have Francis-3 have had other sons other than Joseph-4... perhaps John > Sr b. by 1706? > > John-2 (James/Joan) /Elizabeth X Wood would have had children b. 1714-1729. > It's unlikely John b. by 1706 could be a son. > > JW Garrett > > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As suggested there was likey a Charles who began having children by 1731 (Elizabeth) who was a 3rd Gen from James-1/Joan. IF this Charles was s/o Charles-2 b. 1692, the timeframe would not work. Given that Charles-2 was born 1692, his children would have been born no earlier than 1713. So if a Charles-3 was born say 1713 or 1714 this Charles-3 would not have children no earlier than 1734. So a 3rd gen Charles-3 (if son of Charles-2) would not work given that Elizabeth was b. 1731. But we do have Jemima & Jane who had to be born by 1728 given their marriage date of 1745 & 1746 respectively. Could these be Charles-2 daughters? But again there would be appox a 10-13 yr span from 1713 to abt 1726 depending when these girls were actually born. Charles-2 could have had other children born bet 1713 & 1728 that have not been found or recorded. Also the Winifred Rgn b. 1744 could not be the d/o Bridget b. 1733. Bidget would have only been 10 yrs old when she had Winifred. There was a Winifred & John Oliver whom had a daughter Elisha Oliver b. 1768. Could this Winifred be the Winifred Rgn b. 1744 md to an Oliver? Note that Jemima Rgn md a George Oliver in 1745. Also there was a Bridget Riggins (b. by 1738) who md a John Flitter 16 Mar 1755. to whom does she belong to? Is she the Bridget b. 1733? JW Garrett > From: mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 14:56:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Maryellen > > I don't believe John/Eliz. of JAmes/Joan ever left Charles Co MD, or any of > his left either. I think the Chapman chick married a Mathew, son of > John/Eliz2, James/Joan1 and the Mathew dead 1716 Stafford is Mathew2, > James/Joan1. I believe the Margaret, Jane, ( ?) I'm missing one...) in > Stafford belong either to this Mathew, or to Charles, of James,/Joan. I > think the Charles having kids in Stafford after 1731 is third generation. he > is a grandson of JAmes/Joan via Charles Sr. there are no St Paul's records > before 1716. Unless you can find me a Charles in MD or VA before 1716...he's > dead. There is none in MD. John has MAthew pop up in all the Chapman > stuff... then we have a later Wm and a John in nearby CAroline...I think > these are sons of MAthew, ...James1, John2, Mathew3 Mathew4 ( and John 4). > In fact, I think the 1752 sale is a grandson selling back to an uncle before > going.... where???? Do we have any loose MAthew's popping up after 1752? > > When John Wood III dies, we see 4 half sibs around the deathbed...two of > them male. This was in 1740.There is no guarantee that 4 half sibs was the > total # of kids John Regan had. There just happened to be 4 of them hanging > around the Wood death bed. The youngest of them could be absolutely no > younger than 13. The oldest could be no older than 25. Old enough to be off > on his own. So there may be a John here. However, this mythical 25 year old > would be 33 in 1748 when we need a John Sr and John Jr to witness the > Thompson deed in Surry. If we assume the John Jr and the John Sr are father > and son...which is not always true, then they cannot be the son and grandson > of John/Eliz2, James/Joan1... there isn't time for the younger to be older > than 13 and he could not have witnessed anything. Sigh. I don't like any of > the known men. What do we know of John the son of Joseph Sr??? Bro of Joseph > Jr...uncle to John, Ralph, Richard....How old would he be? Old enough to > have a son of age? > > Then there's Dan'l1, Francis2, Francis3, Joseph...do we have any kidlets for > him? He's about 15 estimated years older than John/Bell. What do we know of > his father ( Francis3, Francis2, Dan'l1)? Why do I have this Joseph's mother > and grandmother both listed as Jane????? Yeesh! If this Joseph had a brother > John we'd be rolling! > > John b. 1705 son of Francis2, Dan'l1 is my favorite candidate for > everything. I just like the cut of his jib. I hate to give him a son out of > whole cloth, but it's doable. I'd like to know mare about the sons we do > have... > > Just a thought I have been meaning to put out there.... Don't get carried > away by the Dan'ls in the line of Francis of Bute/Warren NC. Daniel was the > signature name for the Pegrams...and the Rgns married Pegrams like Cracker > Jack prizes.... Dan'l Pegram held the purse strings...so everybody had a > Dan'l. > > I do realize that in all logical likelihood, we are going to have to accept > the Dan'l of Surry VA and the James/Joan of Charles MD as one related > entity....but then the Daniel's of Isle of Wight have to come into the fold > also...they aren't going away. And Yeah...maybe, if we can drop the mythic > trash about Teigh Reigh and his kingship of Ireland...we may find connection > here also. Ya ever notice how every family Indian was a chief, and every > shamrock hugger was a king....LOL, M'ellen Horrigan >

Remember we have these unidetified Rgns Peter Regan of 1712 & 1718 Surry VA Michael Rgn of 1729 I of W Mary Rgn of 1762 I of W...she was mentioned in her fathers will, John Powell...a Mary Powell md a Rgn. Joseph Rgn of 1785 I of W Also we have a Daniel Rgn of Surry (NC or VA?) in Rowan NC in 1786 & 1791 He is purchasing 200 a in 1786 and selling in 1791. I failed to note the state he was from...VA or NC. Anyone have this info? JW Garrett