Jonathan Riggin c1708-1790 m Ward Grace . Dukes Stephan Grace John 1734-1790 1739-1810 1745 1755-1830 m m m Martha Sarah Betsy to Ky 1808 > From: mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:55:41 -0400> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Grace Dukes> > I can see I missed some mail somehow.> > > > > > Can see I missed some mail.> > > > Well, well, well, one I can sort of answer. The only child I have for> Jonathan and Grace Dukes Riggin for certain, is Grace Riggin. Her birth is a> matter of Coventry Parish MD Records. Many folks have slipped Dukes Riggins> into this couple's household. I do not yet see proof of his but feel that he> does belong here. I'm just not big on feel. There is also a bit of a time> problem. Jonathan was born about 1680. That means we have to span 110 years> in just two generations. That's a bit of a strain. One more problem.in spite> of Sharol Riggin's book, there is also no proof of a John with a middle name> of Wesley fitting into this family. Many searchers say that Jonathan's> brother John married a Dukes, and he did. However, she was a Dukes widow. I> am not convinced that John Wesley can, at this point, be linked to the> Annamessex ( a section of Somerset co, MD) bunch of Riggin in MD. I'll go> through y land and will records and see if I can see any "selling off" to> leave by these people. Maryellen.> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE

I can see I missed some mail somehow. Can see I missed some mail. Well, well, well, one I can sort of answer. The only child I have for Jonathan and Grace Dukes Riggin for certain, is Grace Riggin. Her birth is a matter of Coventry Parish MD Records. Many folks have slipped Dukes Riggins into this couple's household. I do not yet see proof of his but feel that he does belong here. I'm just not big on feel. There is also a bit of a time problem. Jonathan was born about 1680. That means we have to span 110 years in just two generations. That's a bit of a strain. One more problem.in spite of Sharol Riggin's book, there is also no proof of a John with a middle name of Wesley fitting into this family. Many searchers say that Jonathan's brother John married a Dukes, and he did. However, she was a Dukes widow. I am not convinced that John Wesley can, at this point, be linked to the Annamessex ( a section of Somerset co, MD) bunch of Riggin in MD. I'll go through y land and will records and see if I can see any "selling off" to leave by these people. Maryellen.

Repeat send _____ From: Maryellen Horrigan [mailto:mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:47 AM To: 'ragan-roots@rootsweb.com' Subject: Parlor tricks? NC In 1998, there was little to do on line in genealogy. We tried. The gurus were old timers who had all written books researching the hard and $ way. They were our guides. Many of them are gone. As we grew, we formed a group I called " The Cabal". We were a group of "r" name researchers that weren't hung up on 18th century spelling. Court was part of this group and I have a very funny note of his wherein he was downloading the new PAF 4 to manage his notes and folk. Yeesh ! Sometimes I'd play games of " do you have any?. and put out some surnames. People would reply with whom they had and where and when. We would then try to hitch the relatives from our various datas. It's easier, sometimes , to be objective about names that you don't feel passionate about. For your amusement I offer the following: REBECCA HUBBARD was born in 1740 Amelia Co. VA. 23 years later. In Orange Co NC, she marries SAMUEL HOLLOWAY. #1 Rebecca's daughter Sarah Holloway married William Riggan, greatgrandson of Francis Riggan and Jane Gross. #2 Rebecca's nephew Davis Holloway married Sarah Giles. Sarah is a direct ancestor of Melissa Rasberry Riggins wife of Dolbee Riggins, grandson of Littleton Riggins of GA and AL. #3 Rebecca's siister-in-law, Kezziah Pigg has two cousins, Lucinda and Eleanor Pigg who married George Washington Raggins and David Raggins, possible descendents of Wm Powell Riggins. #4 Rebecca's husband Sam has a cousin William Holloway, who's daughter Nancy married James Riggins, son of Powell and Ruth Trice Riggins,( Powell-son of Wm Powell Riggins) #5 This same William Hollowy has another daughter , Sally Holloway who married James' possible cousin Powell Riggins of SC. Some of this I still have the proofs of Some I'd have to dig for. Enjoy, Maryellen

Repeat send _____ From: Maryellen Horrigan [mailto:mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:56 AM To: 'ragan-roots@rootsweb.com' Subject: KY research I spent 7 hours yesterday at the Cincy main Library poking at Kentucky.. The library takes up two city blocks. 2 floors of my section were empty of books.some sort of renovation. Fortunately not the Genealogy section. This may slow down my return. I used indexes, when available for names beginning with Rag Reg Rig.. I used more than a 1G memory stick.yeah, I was moving. Much will be repetitive for us all, but I figured I'd start from scratch. The camera I used is better than that I usually take.unfortunately. I find when filming words, a dumber camera is better.less pixels pick up less shake.but we'll see what we have. I wont put these in order till done.just let whatever tumble out. Perhaps we can make up a KY" R" names spreadsheet and stick it on Rootsweb .M'ellen

This did not appear in my mail, so I am sending it again _____ From: Maryellen Horrigan [mailto:mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:53 AM To: 'ragan-roots@rootsweb.com' Subject: Ky Records Part 1 * Levi Ragan of Lexington died March 3 1833 ( Reporter).this is a Lexington KY newspaper. * Scott County KY 1800 tax list ( tough to read) Amos Ragin Spellings are as I found them * Nicholas County KY Estate settlements Jesse Riggan Dec 21 1838 * Nicholas County Delinquent Tax list 1820 Jesse Riggins insolvent Edward Powell 1 male over 21, 0 males between 16-21, 4 blacks over 16, no blacks under 16, 7 horses colts mares. William Powell 1 male over 21, 0 males between 16-21, 0 blacks over 16, 1 black under 16, 2 horses, colts, mares Amos Ragan 1 male over 21, 0 males between 16-21, 0 blacks over 16, 0 blacks under 16, 2 horses, colts, mares Nicholas Ragan ( no further info) * Early KY newspapers. The Mount Sterling Advocate 1891-1897 Montgomery Co KY: Dec 29 1896: Mrs Sarah Reagan 55, wife of William Reagan of Stepstone, died last Saturday night from consumption. A member of the Christian Church, she was buried at the Alexander family graveyard. Was a sister of C.G Reagan of this city. The Clay City Times 1901-1916 Powell Co KY: Aug 27, 1903 Mrs Ancil Powell died at her home near Fitchberg on Aug 16th of consumption. Leaves husband and 4 children. Was a sister of Mrs Wood of this town. Buriel in the family cemetery Sunday. Winchester Democrat: Aug 27, 1903 Mich Risen died at his home near here Wednesday of consumption. Funereal by Rev W. B. Ragan and burial Thursday at Jackson's Chapel. Leaves wife and several small children is destitute circumstances. * From something called " Genealogies of KY Families".from the Filson Club History Quarterly 1981: ( tis seems to be a collection of fairly proofed family histories) Under a write up of a Robert Owen and Mary Enders Woolfolk, we have their daughter, Kate Temple Woolfolk who married on 14 Jan 1879 at Paducah a William Gaston Whitefield. Mr Whitefield was born 17 September 1838 in Person Co NC. In his youth he moved to Hopkinsville ,KY where he was for years manager of the Thomas Riggins mercantile business.. He enlisted in the Confederate Army in 1861 at Hopkinville and served throughout the war with the 35th Alabama Regiment. After he was mustered out, he wet to Clarksville , TN and for several years managed the grocery and general store of Mann Riggins near New Providence, being the confidential buyer in New York. In 1869 he married his first wife, Eugenia Carr Brown, and moved to Paducah to enter the tobacco business. ( that one was interesting because of the Brown, the Person Co, the move fro KY to TN and back, and the TWO "R" names jobs.I have much more on this family) *Casey County Kentucky1806 Settlement and Early Development" ed by Gladys Cotham Thomas. 1814 tax list of Casey KY: Lindsey Powell with 434 Acres on Carpenter's Creek ( Next listed is a column that is titled "name entered" I think bounders? This entry says John Carpenter) Lindsey has: 1 white over 21, 5 blacks over 16, 15 total blacks, 9 horses, mares mules, was valued at 60 per acre, ($ ? ) and his total valuation was 8330. ( My!) * Forks of Elkhorn Church" Ermina Jett Darnell.(I don't know where this is. It didn't say , and my GUESS is Woodford KY) "Another Price family came from Chesterfield Co VA and settled in Fayette, Scott and Woodford.. Philemon Bird Price ( 1783-1835) married first Corrilla Mansel ( dau Geo) Fayette 1803. Their children were 1. Theodore who went to Missouri. 2.Mortimer. P.B.Price married second Mary Dorsey Wilmot ( dau Col Robert and Priscilla Dorsey Wilmot ) They had..#6 Andrew F. married Mary Regan.several of these families went to Ill." ( I have other children in this article) In this same book on the Forks of Elkhorn Church it says that I 1886, a list was made of former pastors of the church. It included: Geo. W. Riggan 1880-1885. There is a list of deacons also, but no "R" names. * In a book titled "Some Original Land Grant Surveys along Green River in Lincoln and Casey Counties Kentucky 1781-1836" are some original plats. Almost as amazing as some original parchment holding that I held, but we weren't there. I did find a plat for a Samuel Rubarts ( Roberts?) wherein the surveyor was James Allen, the surveyor crew was William Pigg and Abraham Breeding, and the deed was recorded by John Jones. All good associated names.. I am going to take a break here folks. I am a bad typist and have a wonkey keyboard and some of the pages on film are blurry.It skips certain letters and the space bar is balkey.) Previews of things to come: I have a cabinet makers bill for a child's coffin for $5 for a Daniel Ragan. I have a court case when a lady in KY sued through Boston's Federal Cort a guy in a French prison. At issue was land. The lady held an Original Spanish Gov't Land Grant, which KY had legislated to acknowledge and she sued a wannabe owner ( the guy in the French prison) her name , drum roll please, Court, are you paying attention? , was Brashears. ( Court has a Riggin/Brashears marriage. I will get to these as the come. Please write and tell e if anything strikes you, or what you might need in the future. I did look at a lot of Adair Co. not much there. I may have to go there Until later,.Maryellen

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I see that our part of Rootsweb must be getting an overhaul today. The newsletter said it would be off in bits and pieces. I just wanted to say that the new NC genealogy review was in my library and I copied the entire 1720 Chowan Co landowners list. None of our "r" s are there, I can look for other names. I cannot copy it to our notes due to copyright. A John Rasberry is there and I can prove he's mine.whoooeee!. John is my who knows how far back grandfather. He married a Bridget Brown. M'ellen

In 1998, there was little to do on line in genealogy. We tried. The gurus were old timers who had all written books researching the hard and $ way. They were our guides. Many of them are gone. As we grew, we formed a group I called " The Cabal". We were a group of "r" name researchers that weren't hung up on 18th century spelling. Court was part of this group and I have a very funny note of his wherein he was downloading the new PAF 4 to manage his notes and folk. Yeesh ! Sometimes I'd play games of " do you have any?. and put out some surnames. People would reply with whom they had and where and when. We would then try to hitch the relatives from our various datas. It's easier, sometimes , to be objective about names that you don't feel passionate about. For your amusement I offer the following: REBECCA HUBBARD was born in 1740 Amelia Co. VA. 23 years later. In Orange Co NC, she marries SAMUEL HOLLOWAY. #1 Rebecca's daughter Sarah Holloway married William Riggan, greatgrandson of Francis Riggan and Jane Gross. #2 Rebecca's nephew Davis Holloway married Sarah Giles. Sarah is a direct ancestor of Melissa Rasberry Riggins wife of Dolbee Riggins, grandson of Littleton Riggins of GA and AL. #3 Rebecca's siister-in-law, Kezziah Pigg has two cousins, Lucinda and Eleanor Pigg who married George Washington Raggins and David Raggins, possible descendents of Wm Powell Riggins. #4 Rebecca's husband Sam has a cousin William Holloway, who's daughter Nancy married James Riggins, son of Powell and Ruth Trice Riggins,( Powell-son of Wm Powell Riggins) #5 This same William Hollowy has another daughter , Sally Holloway who married James' possible cousin Powell Riggins of SC. Some of this I still have the proofs of Some I'd have to dig for. Enjoy, Maryellen

* Levi Ragan of Lexington died March 3 1833 ( Reporter).this is a Lexington KY newspaper. * Scott County KY 1800 tax list ( tough to read) Amos Ragin Spellings are as I found them * Nicholas County KY Estate settlements Jesse Riggan Dec 21 1838 * Nicholas County Delinquent Tax list 1820 Jesse Riggins insolvent Edward Powell 1 male over 21, 0 males between 16-21, 4 blacks over 16, no blacks under 16, 7 horses colts mares. William Powell 1 male over 21, 0 males between 16-21, 0 blacks over 16, 1 black under 16, 2 horses, colts, mares Amos Ragan 1 male over 21, 0 males between 16-21, 0 blacks over 16, 0 blacks under 16, 2 horses, colts, mares Nicholas Ragan ( no further info) * Early KY newspapers. The Mount Sterling Advocate 1891-1897 Montgomery Co KY: Dec 29 1896: Mrs Sarah Reagan 55, wife of William Reagan of Stepstone, died last Saturday night from consumption. A member of the Christian Church, she was buried at the Alexander family graveyard. Was a sister of C.G Reagan of this city. The Clay City Times 1901-1916 Powell Co KY: Aug 27, 1903 Mrs Ancil Powell died at her home near Fitchberg on Aug 16th of consumption. Leaves husband and 4 children. Was a sister of Mrs Wood of this town. Buriel in the family cemetery Sunday. Winchester Democrat: Aug 27, 1903 Mich Risen died at his home near here Wednesday of consumption. Funereal by Rev W. B. Ragan and burial Thursday at Jackson's Chapel. Leaves wife and several small children is destitute circumstances. * From something called " Genealogies of KY Families".from the Filson Club History Quarterly 1981: ( tis seems to be a collection of fairly proofed family histories) Under a write up of a Robert Owen and Mary Enders Woolfolk, we have their daughter, Kate Temple Woolfolk who married on 14 Jan 1879 at Paducah a William Gaston Whitefield. Mr Whitefield was born 17 September 1838 in Person Co NC. In his youth he moved to Hopkinsville ,KY where he was for years manager of the Thomas Riggins mercantile business.. He enlisted in the Confederate Army in 1861 at Hopkinville and served throughout the war with the 35th Alabama Regiment. After he was mustered out, he wet to Clarksville , TN and for several years managed the grocery and general store of Mann Riggins near New Providence, being the confidential buyer in New York. In 1869 he married his first wife, Eugenia Carr Brown, and moved to Paducah to enter the tobacco business. ( that one was interesting because of the Brown, the Person Co, the move fro KY to TN and back, and the TWO "R" names jobs.I have much more on this family) *Casey County Kentucky1806 Settlement and Early Development" ed by Gladys Cotham Thomas. 1814 tax list of Casey KY: Lindsey Powell with 434 Acres on Carpenter's Creek ( Next listed is a column that is titled "name entered" I think bounders? This entry says John Carpenter) Lindsey has: 1 white over 21, 5 blacks over 16, 15 total blacks, 9 horses, mares mules, was valued at 60 per acre, ($ ? ) and his total valuation was 8330. ( My!) * Forks of Elkhorn Church" Ermina Jett Darnell.(I don't know where this is. It didn't say , and my GUESS is Woodford KY) "Another Price family came from Chesterfield Co VA and settled in Fayette, Scott and Woodford.. Philemon Bird Price ( 1783-1835) married first Corrilla Mansel ( dau Geo) Fayette 1803. Their children were 1. Theodore who went to Missouri. 2.Mortimer. P.B.Price married second Mary Dorsey Wilmot ( dau Col Robert and Priscilla Dorsey Wilmot ) They had..#6 Andrew F. married Mary Regan.several of these families went to Ill." ( I have other children in this article) In this same book on the Forks of Elkhorn Church it says that I 1886, a list was made of former pastors of the church. It included: Geo. W. Riggan 1880-1885. There is a list of deacons also, but no "R" names. * In a book titled "Some Original Land Grant Surveys along Green River in Lincoln and Casey Counties Kentucky 1781-1836" are some original plats. Almost as amazing as some original parchment holding that I held, but we weren't there. I did find a plat for a Samuel Rubarts ( Roberts?) wherein the surveyor was James Allen, the surveyor crew was William Pigg and Abraham Breeding, and the deed was recorded by John Jones. All good associated names.. I am going to take a break here folks. I am a bad typist and have a wonkey keyboard and some of the pages on film are blurry.It skips certain letters and the space bar is balkey.) Previews of things to come: I have a cabinet makers bill for a child's coffin for $5 for a Daniel Ragan. I have a court case when a lady in KY sued through Boston's Federal Cort a guy in a French prison. At issue was land. The lady held an Original Spanish Gov't Land Grant, which KY had legislated to acknowledge and she sued a wannabe owner ( the guy in the French prison) her name , drum roll please, Court, are you paying attention? , was Brashears. ( Court has a Riggin/Brashears marriage. I will get to these as the come. Please write and tell e if anything strikes you, or what you might need in the future. I did look at a lot of Adair Co. not much there. I may have to go there Until later,.Maryellen

My KY RIGGIN - Lovey (Lova) RIGGIN, bn 28 Jun 1792 MD or KY, d 4 Jan 1828 prob. KY. She md. William F. LORTON 20 Nov 1808 Maysville KY. Marriage Bond 12 Nov 1808 - gives Bondsman: James LORTON and John RIGGEN. I think the above John RIGGEN was probably Lovey's brother, John Wesley RIGGEN, or was it her father? Were Lovey's grandparents Jonathan RIGGIN and Grace DUKES? Were Lovey's siblings Milley, Susan, John Wesley Jr.? All questions I have not been able to verify. Marilyn > -----Original Message----- > From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maryellen Horrigan > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:56 AM > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] KY research > > I spent 7 hours yesterday at the Cincy main Library poking at Kentucky.. > > Perhaps we can make up a KY" R" names spreadsheet and stick it on Rootsweb > .M'ellen >

I spent 7 hours yesterday at the Cincy main Library poking at Kentucky.. The library takes up two city blocks. 2 floors of my section were empty of books.some sort of renovation. Fortunately not the Genealogy section. This may slow down my return. I used indexes, when available for names beginning with Rag Reg Rig.. I used more than a 1G memory stick.yeah, I was moving. Much will be repetitive for us all, but I figured I'd start from scratch. The camera I used is better than that I usually take.unfortunately. I find when filming words, a dumber camera is better.less pixels pick up less shake.but we'll see what we have. I wont put these in order till done.just let whatever tumble out. Perhaps we can make up a KY" R" names spreadsheet and stick it on Rootsweb .M'ellen

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Question to everyone How old did the white male have to be if he is listed on a Tax List? Those listed on the 1766 Bute NC Tax such as Charles, James, Jesse, Joseph, John, Peter, & Powell, are they at least age 18 or 21?

Francis Rig/Rag Jr was married to Ann Harris 1789 Warren Co, NC. Their oldest son John married an Amy Cullen. I don't know when or where. I have their first child, Mary, born in 1819. This is speculative and probably a tad early. If this is "our" Amy, it would help to date the children. I have just come across the following will. As the Reggin mentioned was possibly from Joseph's house, I thought I'd toss it here for discussion. Is this the Amy Cullen that John Regan marries? This abstract is one of Margaret Hofmann's and we are in Halifax NC. Will # 898 p.595 Jeremiah Cullum 5 Jan 1817 Feb Ct 1817: Robert Riggin 1 feather bed etc, daughter Amy Cullum loom etc, bed truck horse etc to be sold and money divided in the following manner: daughter Mary Cullum and Beder Cullum, Henry Cullum, Fanny Cullum $30 each and the remainder to go to my children ( names not given) Wit: Mathew C. Turner and James Cullum. Extr Ambrose Hawkins and William Cullum.M'ellen

Yes...they pulled out of MD in 1783/4. I have church records... -----Original Message----- From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Allen Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:19 PM To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Spencer Ragan of MD, KY & IL Spencer came to KY in the late 1790s. Does that fit with the timelines of the Spencer's in your Maddox family. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryellen Horrigan" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] David Allen >I am going to make an observation that is worth precisely nothing...except > that odd hints keep us going...I am out of MD and I bring with me a pack > of > Maddox folk who have this big string of Spencer Maddox's... just > funny...M'ellen > > -----Original Message----- > From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Allen > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:45 PM > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] David Allen > > No apologies needed... > > I have located information and the grave sites of my great grandmother - > Virginia Eliza Ragan Rector; my great great grandfather-Thomas Ragan; my > great great great grandfather-John Ragan & his father Spencer Ragan who > died > > in Morgan County, IL. (see below) I have nothing on Spencer's parents > although I have always heard he was born in MD. > > I've been reading past postings, especially those linked to MD, with > interest and I've been hoping to find a Ragan linked to a Spencer family. > That's pure speculation but it seems that Spencer, also the given name of > one of his grandsons, could be the name of a related family. > > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maryellen Horrigan" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> > To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] David Allen > > >> David, my apologies...I'm dense. I made a copy of your note but didn't >> really let it register. I buy my groceries probably next to the graves of >> these folk...yeesh ! The Cincy traffic circle goes through 3 states... >> OH, >> KY and IN. Campbell/Kenton, Boone etc are my backyard. Based on that, I >> first go to the downtown Cincy library as it has a super 3 state >> collection. >> After I poke in that, we'll see what we might need to go after >> specifically. >> Covington is maybe 3 minutes from my bed, Ft Wright 10 minutes, Boone Co. >> Courthouse 20 min. tops. Wed. for sure. Maryellen >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Allen >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:56 PM >> To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Mssing researchers-Response to Maryellen >> >> Maryellen >> >> If you're that close to northern Kentucky, then perhaps you have >> information >> >> on my Ragan line from southern Kenton (formerly Campbell) County. My >> Ragans >> lived in the Independence area and included: >> >> Spencer Ragan & Elizabeth Seymour (Spencer, his wife, his sons John & >> David >> & John's wife and her parents migrated from Fayette County KY in the >> early >> 1800s to northern KY to Morgan County, IL where Spencer & his wife died) >> John Ragan & Elizabeth Harris (John & his wife also came form Fayette >> County >> >> KY but remained in northern KY where they are buried) >> Thomas Ragan & Mary Ann McKenzie (buried in the Ragan Cemetery near >> Demossville in southern Kenton County) >> Virginia Eliza Ragan & John Samuel Rector (moved from the "country" in >> Independence to Latonia KY; buried near the intersection of Moffett & >> Rector >> >> Roads in southern Kenton County near US 25) >> >> David >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maryellen Horrigan" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> >> To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:47 PM >> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] missing researchers >> >> >>> Sorry folks, Court and I both abandoned you. Court has gone on a major >>> detection search and chased down two William related items. He found an >>> early researcher who actually communicated with the original author of >>> the >>> first digital Wm Powell Riggins database. It was revealed that, as >>> expected, >>> the Wilam David Riggins that dieds in Adair KY was a wild guess and not >>> proven as the son of Wm Powell/Pricilla. And, he is NOT the father of >>> Powell >>> Riggins in SC...that was also assumed. This database is all over the >>> net. >>> It >>> is false. >>> >>> I have a scan of the original William Powell Riggins will of 1770. I >>> want >>> you to experiment with the following...Write Powel...make the loop of >>> the >>> "P" really big and the stem really short.. then write the "w" very >>> spread >>> wide...write he "e" close to the single "l"...result? It looks like >>> David...the "p" looks like a "d"...the "w" now looks like v i, and the >>> e-l >>> looks like a spacey "d"... a FL researcher sent me a Photostat of what >>> she >>> called the will of William David Rigin of 1770 NC. I could see her >>> point. >>> It >>> could be read as William David. I have seen databases calling this the >>> will >>> of Wm David Riggin...but, there is an estate settlement that clearly >>> states >>> it is William Powell Riggins. Maryellen >>> >>> p.s. I can hit KY with a stick from my downtown Cincy home on the River. >>> Next week I am camping out in one of the libraries to find out who died >>> in >>> Adair KY in 1820ish named William David Reggen. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An Insight into marriage and divorce From the mid 1800's to 1950's divorce was a disgrace and most women classified thier selves as a "widow" in all records. You will see this a lot in census records especially. I have found this many times when the ex husband was still living and had remarried. If there was a divorce in any family all persons in that family were forbidden to ever mention it to anyone. After the Civil War the men all had to walk home from wherever they were when the war ended. Many never returned to thier families but stopped along the way and married a war widow that owned a farm. The wife at home just assumed that he had been killed in the war. The ONLY grounds for divorce was infidelity and that had to be proven in public court. That did not change until the early 1950's. In most cases a woman never sued for divorce. It was usually always the husband. He would get one of his a buddies to testify that that he (the buddy) had been engaged with the mans wife in adultery. Saw a lot of those lies with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears many times. It always took a full year to get a divorce before it was final. Plus they had to be a resident of the county in which it was filed for 1 year before applying for the divorce. During that time if they ever spent 1 night together they were considered to be reconciled and had to start the time thing all over again. The only place that was an exception to these rules was Reno NV. Instant divorces for any reason or no reason. Did not have to be a resident of the state except for 10 days prior to filing. It was what put Reno on the map, not gambling as many would think. It was the divorce capitol of the entire world. There was a tradition that the newly divorced women would throw thier wedding ring off of the river bridge where there were folks waiting under the bridge to recover them and sell them. Many men never divorced but just moved off and remarried. There was no way to track down persons then like we can do today. Also the marrying of 1st cousins was not unusual either. I have 5 persons in my Royall line that married other Royall's that were 1st cousins. I have a half dozen or so of women in my line some as recent as the 1960's that married the brother of thier husbands. This goes all the way back to Old Testament Days when such things were expected and demanded. In our modern mind it seems strange but it really was not in thier day. A woman could not live with out a husband. There was no employment for women or support for thier children, also no insurance either. If a person had no support they were committed to the county poor farm as an inmate and could not leave it. They were worked as slave labor in the fields of the farm. They stayed there until they died, then they were buried on the poor farm property in unmarked graves. Also another divorce oddity, if a man was ordered to pay alimony in any state all he had to do to get out of it was to move to Texas. He did not have to pay it in Texas as it was illegal there and Texas would not send him back for trial to another state. In fact the local Police would go and warn the guy to not leave Texas because a arrest warrant had been issued for non payment of alimony. Also the couple must mail in the marriage certificate after the marriage. The county would record it then mail it back to them. If the man never mailed it in, it was never recorded and the "wife" THOUGHT they were married, when in fact they were not, even though she had a marriage certificate that said so. There are still some main stream churches that recognize divorce only on grounds of adultery. Rev Fr. Charlie Royall A life long Historian of 70 years.

Spencer came to KY in the late 1790s. Does that fit with the timelines of the Spencer's in your Maddox family. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryellen Horrigan" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] David Allen >I am going to make an observation that is worth precisely nothing...except > that odd hints keep us going...I am out of MD and I bring with me a pack > of > Maddox folk who have this big string of Spencer Maddox's... just > funny...M'ellen > > -----Original Message----- > From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Allen > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:45 PM > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] David Allen > > No apologies needed... > > I have located information and the grave sites of my great grandmother - > Virginia Eliza Ragan Rector; my great great grandfather-Thomas Ragan; my > great great great grandfather-John Ragan & his father Spencer Ragan who > died > > in Morgan County, IL. (see below) I have nothing on Spencer's parents > although I have always heard he was born in MD. > > I've been reading past postings, especially those linked to MD, with > interest and I've been hoping to find a Ragan linked to a Spencer family. > That's pure speculation but it seems that Spencer, also the given name of > one of his grandsons, could be the name of a related family. > > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maryellen Horrigan" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> > To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:22 AM > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] David Allen > > >> David, my apologies...I'm dense. I made a copy of your note but didn't >> really let it register. I buy my groceries probably next to the graves of >> these folk...yeesh ! The Cincy traffic circle goes through 3 states... >> OH, >> KY and IN. Campbell/Kenton, Boone etc are my backyard. Based on that, I >> first go to the downtown Cincy library as it has a super 3 state >> collection. >> After I poke in that, we'll see what we might need to go after >> specifically. >> Covington is maybe 3 minutes from my bed, Ft Wright 10 minutes, Boone Co. >> Courthouse 20 min. tops. Wed. for sure. Maryellen >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:ragan-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Allen >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:56 PM >> To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Mssing researchers-Response to Maryellen >> >> Maryellen >> >> If you're that close to northern Kentucky, then perhaps you have >> information >> >> on my Ragan line from southern Kenton (formerly Campbell) County. My >> Ragans >> lived in the Independence area and included: >> >> Spencer Ragan & Elizabeth Seymour (Spencer, his wife, his sons John & >> David >> & John's wife and her parents migrated from Fayette County KY in the >> early >> 1800s to northern KY to Morgan County, IL where Spencer & his wife died) >> John Ragan & Elizabeth Harris (John & his wife also came form Fayette >> County >> >> KY but remained in northern KY where they are buried) >> Thomas Ragan & Mary Ann McKenzie (buried in the Ragan Cemetery near >> Demossville in southern Kenton County) >> Virginia Eliza Ragan & John Samuel Rector (moved from the "country" in >> Independence to Latonia KY; buried near the intersection of Moffett & >> Rector >> >> Roads in southern Kenton County near US 25) >> >> David >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maryellen Horrigan" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> >> To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:47 PM >> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] missing researchers >> >> >>> Sorry folks, Court and I both abandoned you. Court has gone on a major >>> detection search and chased down two William related items. He found an >>> early researcher who actually communicated with the original author of >>> the >>> first digital Wm Powell Riggins database. It was revealed that, as >>> expected, >>> the Wilam David Riggins that dieds in Adair KY was a wild guess and not >>> proven as the son of Wm Powell/Pricilla. And, he is NOT the father of >>> Powell >>> Riggins in SC...that was also assumed. This database is all over the >>> net. >>> It >>> is false. >>> >>> I have a scan of the original William Powell Riggins will of 1770. I >>> want >>> you to experiment with the following...Write Powel...make the loop of >>> the >>> "P" really big and the stem really short.. then write the "w" very >>> spread >>> wide...write he "e" close to the single "l"...result? It looks like >>> David...the "p" looks like a "d"...the "w" now looks like v i, and the >>> e-l >>> looks like a spacey "d"... a FL researcher sent me a Photostat of what >>> she >>> called the will of William David Rigin of 1770 NC. I could see her >>> point. >>> It >>> could be read as William David. I have seen databases calling this the >>> will >>> of Wm David Riggin...but, there is an estate settlement that clearly >>> states >>> it is William Powell Riggins. Maryellen >>> >>> p.s. I can hit KY with a stick from my downtown Cincy home on the River. >>> Next week I am camping out in one of the libraries to find out who died >>> in >>> Adair KY in 1820ish named William David Reggen. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, all you Ragans, Reagans, Riggens, etc. I've been a subscriber to Ragan-Roots since way back when Michael was taking care of it and am glad to see all the activity on the site again. However, I still haven't found anyone who knows anything about my branch of the family, who came to Michigan via Ontario, Canada. As I recall, Michael had some Michigan connections, but he didn't have anything on them either. In a nutshell, here's what I have: Edman Ragan, b Ontario, Ca ca 1800, m Mary Able, dau of Lyman and ? Able. The Able's are said to have been Quakers. Edman and Mary had a son, Uriah, b Ontario, 1828, Uriah m Catherine Reynolds (b Dublin, Ire. 1832), on Dec 25, 1850. Urhiah d 1898 and Catherine d 1909. Both are buried in Marlette, MI. Uriah and Catherine had 3 children: Demaline, (or maybe William Demaline)b ca 1852, was captain of a Great Lakes schooner "Jupiter" and died when she went down in a storm on Lake Huron 9/15/01. He was married and had 2 or more children. Marietta Elizabeth, (6/20/1854 - 4/30/1930) had 3 husbands: John Moors, Cecil Wiltse, and Luther Sherman. Marietta and John Moors were my g-grandparents. She is buried with her parents in Marlette, MI. I presume John is buried in that area, but don't know where. Marietta and John Moors had 5 children, Marietta and Cecil Wiltse had 1, and she had none with Luther Sherman Margaret - I have no info re: her birth date, etc. I have additional info re: Catherine Reynolds' parents and siblings, and for some of Marietta and John Moors' offspring, but there are a lot of gaps that need filling. I realize the Canadian record-keeping system poses some real problems, so if any of the Ragan-Roots family can help, I'd really appreciate it. Dave Lee

Does the Illinois Ragan line connect with John and Arzula McIntosh Ragan from Anna, Union, Illinois. We have the John Ragan children, but not siblings. Could never get back beyond the fact that our John was born around 1810 and had a brother William who had a daughter Carrie Ragan Rader in Anna, Illinois. Harvey Ragan ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com