Stafford is actually not a "burnt" county... don't blame the Yanks here... it was, however on the route from Fredericksburg to Washington DC and was often occupied. The courthouse was following down before the War between the States. Many records were removed by the county clerks. 2/3's of the records inventoried in 1791 are still missing. But, I am told, every decade or so, another missing bundle shows up in some old southern attic. A recent publication of fairly widespread tax lists does give us some idea of who was here. I think, however, if we are lucky, we may have luck finding records of the Rgns in King George. M'ellen

The Stafford Co VA line was played with... a lot... really a lot... at one point VA ate a lot of NC and the western edge had no end except the fierceness of the Indians... push, push... Stafford started in 1664 and King George in 1721. Stafford was created from Westmorland... which is why it's loaded with Washingtons and Powells. I am not star-struck... I think George was an idiot, but both these families cross ours. However, we occasionally have a reference to "Old Rappahannock" which became Richmond, which devolved into King George. I mention this, because many of this RGN cluster have records that mention King George. Hold that thought and bear with me... One of the first REDIVISIONS of Stafford involved cutting both long skinny tracts of Stafford and Saint George across the middle and making two short fat sort of squarish counties wherein people had a prayer of getting to the court to record their whatevers. I'll look for the date... just let me ramble here. Along with this division, Saint Paul's and Overwharton parishes reinvented themselves as the north and south parishes for Stafford. Thus, the Rgns records find themselves in the Saint Paul's Register... except... 2 items of interest.... Overwharton Parish Register of 1720-1760 ed by the unfortunately named Wm F. Boogher has the following: Bridget Riggins married John Flitter March 16, 1755. That's a far remove from the 11 year old that gave birth to Winnifred in 1744, and I could speculate why, but there it is. There is also a William Rassan... a name I have never seen and as these records are hands off, probably won't get to see, who on Oct 27, 1743 married a Priscilla Manzey. would that marriage work for a man dead in 1770 ? M'ellen -------------------------------------------------- From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:14 PM To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] 1755 Orange NC > > M'ellen > I found in 1755 Orange tax list the following on pg 2 & 3 > > Patrick Rogan > Wm Reves (a Reaves was associtated somehow with my Peter Regan of Wilkes & > Ashe NC) > John Powel > Joseph Powel > Wm Rogan > > JW Garrett > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pegram"s dad gifts Francis with land in 1759 and on this we assume the marriage date... -------------------------------------------------- From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:45 PM To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] 1755 tax list > > M'ellen > I have made a big mistake re: 1755 Bute tax list > I was counting # of males head of HH in 1st column, minor males in 2nd > column, females in 3rd column as a census. WRONG > A tax List > > Correction: > 1st colums # whites > 2nd # blacks > 3rd total # in HH > > John & Francis 2-0-2 > 2 whites > 0 blacks > 2 total # > > So both John & Francis are NOT married in 1755. > > Sorry abt the confusion. > > > JW Garrett > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

the Rives are all over the Francis bunch -------------------------------------------------- From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:14 PM To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] 1755 Orange NC > > M'ellen > I found in 1755 Orange tax list the following on pg 2 & 3 > > Patrick Rogan > Wm Reves (a Reaves was associtated somehow with my Peter Regan of Wilkes & > Ashe NC) > John Powel > Joseph Powel > Wm Rogan > > JW Garrett > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

M'ellen I have made a big mistake re: 1755 Bute tax list I was counting # of males head of HH in 1st column, minor males in 2nd column, females in 3rd column as a census. WRONG A tax List Correction: 1st colums # whites 2nd # blacks 3rd total # in HH John & Francis 2-0-2 2 whites 0 blacks 2 total # So both John & Francis are NOT married in 1755. Sorry abt the confusion. JW Garrett

M'ellen I found in 1755 Orange tax list the following on pg 2 & 3 Patrick Rogan Wm Reves (a Reaves was associtated somehow with my Peter Regan of Wilkes & Ashe NC) John Powel Joseph Powel Wm Rogan JW Garrett

Indeed it is interesting! This is my new PERSI assignment... as I mentioned, the author of this info cites a MD GEN publication as source of the childrens' name assignment... My library is tops... and Allentown Indiana is drivable...I need to see the source for myself... skeptic that I am... I really feel this is fresh perspective ... I agree your Peter most likely falls in here.... this is the joy of cluster genealogy... it's slower, but turns up lovely oddities. I am still having trouble putting both Francis and John in the same cluster with William just yet. the bunch from Charles Co MD go in two directions... the upshot is William Powell and John and Francis come from 2 different VA clusters. I refuse to believe that they land in Bute NC just by coincidence. I'm not fond of coincidence. The big elephant in the room is Daniel. I want a better grip on William, and the interactions of William and John and Francis before watering the elephant. I have more goodies from my last library trip to share. will return, M'ellen -------------------------------------------------- From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:05 AM To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] FW: Charles Ragen/Riggins > > > From: jwgarrett@webtv.net > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Charles Ragen/Riggins > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:04:12 -0500 > > > > > M'ellen > you have provided info that John-2 (James/-1/Joan) may have had a son > Charles-3. > According to Johns birth and death date his children had to be born bet > 1714 & 1728/30. > Thus his alleged son Charles was born 1714-1728/30. > > What is interesting is that the Charles of 1766 Bute NC is listed as > Charles & Son Riggins. > The son was likely age 16-20, b. 1746-1750. This would make Charles > himself born BY 1725-1729. > This would fit the Charles-3 s/o John-2. I think this Charles of Bute NC > may have been f/o my Peter Riggins/Ragan. > What do u think? > > What evidence does your source have to think to John-2 had children Anne, > Charles, Mathew, and Mary? > I can see how Ann & Mathew was likely John's-2 children due to John Wood's > 1740 will listing Mathew Ragan & Ann Ross as next to kin (step brother & > sister) via mother Elizabeth X Wood Ragan. > > Then I wonder what became of the Charles-2 s/o James & Joan? > > JW Garrett > > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

From: jwgarrett@webtv.net To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Charles Ragen/Riggins Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:04:12 -0500 M'ellen you have provided info that John-2 (James/-1/Joan) may have had a son Charles-3. According to Johns birth and death date his children had to be born bet 1714 & 1728/30. Thus his alleged son Charles was born 1714-1728/30. What is interesting is that the Charles of 1766 Bute NC is listed as Charles & Son Riggins. The son was likely age 16-20, b. 1746-1750. This would make Charles himself born BY 1725-1729. This would fit the Charles-3 s/o John-2. I think this Charles of Bute NC may have been f/o my Peter Riggins/Ragan. What do u think? What evidence does your source have to think to John-2 had children Anne, Charles, Mathew, and Mary? I can see how Ann & Mathew was likely John's-2 children due to John Wood's 1740 will listing Mathew Ragan & Ann Ross as next to kin (step brother & sister) via mother Elizabeth X Wood Ragan. Then I wonder what became of the Charles-2 s/o James & Joan? JW Garrett

M'ellen Again John & Francis appears together in HH in 1755 Bute tax list 2-0-2. This tells me they both are born by 1734, apparently just married by 1755 with no children. Is this correct? However your info says that Francis md 1759 to Mary Pegram. Was he md twice? I think the Francis of 1721 Surry VA is Francis-3 (Francis-2, Daniel-1). I think Francis-3 had the son Joseph-4 b. by 1712 whose wife was Mary and Joseph & Mary's sons were John-5 & Francis-5 whom all are in Bute/Granville NC. JW Garrett

I get it...you are using #'s for generations...I am counting men of the same name...yeeesh ----- Original Message ---- From: Maryellen Horrigan <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 12:47:46 PM Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Ragans-2 (James-1/Joan) that is Charles 1 not 2 -------------------------------------------------- From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:28 AM To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Ragans-2 (James-1/Joan) > > Charles-2 b. 1692 would have children born aft 1713. So Jemima would be a > possible daughter since she md 1745. > Who is the Charles of 1731 you mention.  I am not familiar with this > Charles/event.  what is happening with him? > > Jane may be the d/o Wm-2. She md in 1746 to Samuel Evans and she is found > in 1770 Bute. Wm-3/Pricsilla gives to his son Chrles-4 the land Jean Evans > now lives on.  Jean Evans is on W's-3 land. > > John-2 children had to be born bet 1714-28 (within a 14 yr period) > > Mathew-2 b. 1687/d. 1716 could have children in a 8 yr period between 1708 > & 1716 > Is Mathew who is mentioned with Richard (in 1745) and John Chapman (in > 1752) the s/o John-2?). > How abt the Mathew mentioned in John Woods 1740 probate/estate as next of > kin? He would of been born by at least 1719/20. > > JW Garrett > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > for Ragan-Roots archives go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chapman doesn't bequest Mathew...he just says Elizabeth Rgn daughter of Mathew RGN...instead of Elizabeth Rgn daughter of Charles RGN.... dead or not, she is still Mathew's dau... ----- Original Message ---- From: james garrett <jwgarrett@webtv.net> To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 11:55:27 AM Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Ragans-2 (James-1/Joan) Since Mathew-2 (James/Joan) died 1716, would not the Mathew #2 possible s/o John-2 & Elizabeth x wood be the mathew who md a Chapman and is mentioned in John Woods 1740 probate/estate, and Chapmans 1745 will and the 1752 land transaction to John Chapman. This Mathew #2 (John-2/Elizabeth) had to be born aft 1714 and bef 1728.  Mathew had a daughter Elizabeth by 1745 & had a wife Sarah in 1752. Why would John Wood mention Mathew-2 in 1740 if he/Mathew-2 died in 1716? Since this John Wood is s/o Elizabeth x Wood who later md John Reagan and (allegedly) had Matthew from this union, Mathew R and John Wood III would be half-brothers (kin) according to John Woods probate/estate. JW Garrett ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From: mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:36:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Ragans-2 (James-1/Joan) > > Sorry, there are too many John's and I'm rushing with so much on my plate > ...The old John Wood that Joan xxx Regan married as his #2 wife...he left a > son John Wood 2 who married Elizabeth xxx. They had one son John 3 Wood. > Hold that thought. Elizabeth XXX Wood then married John Regan, son of > James/Joan. They had kids unnamed in his will ( 1728/30). In 1740, > Elizabeth XXX Wood Regan is now married to James Carroll and is identified > at the bedside of her dying son John 3 Wood, her first child. She is named > as his mother. His nuncoup. will also states the presence of 2 half > sisters and two half brothers. These can only be Regans. So, besides John > 2 Regan, Elizabeth had 2 girls and 2 more boys with John Regan, son of > James. The Persi I need to check is claimed as saying these children are > Anne ( yes, she married James Ross) Mary, Mathew, and Charles. Because > Charles in Stafford has his earliest child in 1731, he is either much > younger than William and Bridget, late getting into town, or really socially > challenged. This gives us , if I can find this guy's ref, Mathew #2, and > another Charles. I think this Mathew is in John Wood's 1740 probate and is > the 175x sale of MD land. He is John Wood's half brother...both by Elizabeth > XXX Wood Regan Carroll. That leaves us with a Mathew dead in 1716 in VA, > which could be Mathew son of James/Joan. This Mathew would be the one > mentioned in the Chapman bequest, who's daughter Elizabeth's mom was a > Chapman. > > Then, we still have Charles son of James/Joan to find. I really feel this > Stafford guy is not he. But, somebody had Jemima and naughty Margaret.... so > where's Charlie? Charles, son of James was born in 1692 and by 1731 is > pushing 40...for a first child?... rare for this era...nope, I think this is > the son of John Regan. > > As we move geographically, we must deal with Surry Co VA...some of the > Charles Co MD cluster went there instead of Stafford...or else got > redistricted to Surry...headache. M'ellen > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:28 AM > To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Ragans-2 (James-1/Joan) > > > > > Charles-2 b. 1692 would have children born aft 1713. So Jemima would be a > > possible daughter since she md 1745. > > Who is the Charles of 1731 you mention. I am not familiar with this > > Charles/event. what is happening with him? > > > > Jane may be the d/o Wm-2. She md in 1746 to Samuel Evans and she is found > > in 1770 Bute. Wm-3/Pricsilla gives to his son Chrles-4 the land Jean Evans > > now lives on. Jean Evans is on W's-3 land. > > > > John-2 children had to be born bet 1714-28 (within a 14 yr period) > > > > Mathew-2 b. 1687/d. 1716 could have children in a 8 yr period between 1708 > > & 1716 > > Is Mathew who is mentioned with Richard (in 1745) and John Chapman (in > > 1752) the s/o John-2?). > > How abt the Mathew mentioned in John Woods 1740 probate/estate as next of > > kin? He would of been born by at least 1719/20. > > > > JW Garrett > > > > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message                         for Ragan-Roots archives go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

that is Charles 1 not 2 -------------------------------------------------- From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:28 AM To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Ragans-2 (James-1/Joan) > > Charles-2 b. 1692 would have children born aft 1713. So Jemima would be a > possible daughter since she md 1745. > Who is the Charles of 1731 you mention. I am not familiar with this > Charles/event. what is happening with him? > > Jane may be the d/o Wm-2. She md in 1746 to Samuel Evans and she is found > in 1770 Bute. Wm-3/Pricsilla gives to his son Chrles-4 the land Jean Evans > now lives on. Jean Evans is on W's-3 land. > > John-2 children had to be born bet 1714-28 (within a 14 yr period) > > Mathew-2 b. 1687/d. 1716 could have children in a 8 yr period between 1708 > & 1716 > Is Mathew who is mentioned with Richard (in 1745) and John Chapman (in > 1752) the s/o John-2?). > How abt the Mathew mentioned in John Woods 1740 probate/estate as next of > kin? He would of been born by at least 1719/20. > > JW Garrett > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Since Mathew-2 (James/Joan) died 1716, would not the Mathew #2 possible s/o John-2 & Elizabeth x wood be the mathew who md a Chapman and is mentioned in John Woods 1740 probate/estate, and Chapmans 1745 will and the 1752 land transaction to John Chapman. This Mathew #2 (John-2/Elizabeth) had to be born aft 1714 and bef 1728. Mathew had a daughter Elizabeth by 1745 & had a wife Sarah in 1752. Why would John Wood mention Mathew-2 in 1740 if he/Mathew-2 died in 1716? Since this John Wood is s/o Elizabeth x Wood who later md John Reagan and (allegedly) had Matthew from this union, Mathew R and John Wood III would be half-brothers (kin) according to John Woods probate/estate. JW Garrett ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From: mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 09:36:59 -0400 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Ragans-2 (James-1/Joan) > > Sorry, there are too many John's and I'm rushing with so much on my plate > ...The old John Wood that Joan xxx Regan married as his #2 wife...he left a > son John Wood 2 who married Elizabeth xxx. They had one son John 3 Wood. > Hold that thought. Elizabeth XXX Wood then married John Regan, son of > James/Joan. They had kids unnamed in his will ( 1728/30). In 1740, > Elizabeth XXX Wood Regan is now married to James Carroll and is identified > at the bedside of her dying son John 3 Wood, her first child. She is named > as his mother. His nuncoup. will also states the presence of 2 half > sisters and two half brothers. These can only be Regans. So, besides John > 2 Regan, Elizabeth had 2 girls and 2 more boys with John Regan, son of > James. The Persi I need to check is claimed as saying these children are > Anne ( yes, she married James Ross) Mary, Mathew, and Charles. Because > Charles in Stafford has his earliest child in 1731, he is either much > younger than William and Bridget, late getting into town, or really socially > challenged. This gives us , if I can find this guy's ref, Mathew #2, and > another Charles. I think this Mathew is in John Wood's 1740 probate and is > the 175x sale of MD land. He is John Wood's half brother...both by Elizabeth > XXX Wood Regan Carroll. That leaves us with a Mathew dead in 1716 in VA, > which could be Mathew son of James/Joan. This Mathew would be the one > mentioned in the Chapman bequest, who's daughter Elizabeth's mom was a > Chapman. > > Then, we still have Charles son of James/Joan to find. I really feel this > Stafford guy is not he. But, somebody had Jemima and naughty Margaret.... so > where's Charlie? Charles, son of James was born in 1692 and by 1731 is > pushing 40...for a first child?... rare for this era...nope, I think this is > the son of John Regan. > > As we move geographically, we must deal with Surry Co VA...some of the > Charles Co MD cluster went there instead of Stafford...or else got > redistricted to Surry...headache. M'ellen > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:28 AM > To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Ragans-2 (James-1/Joan) > > > > > Charles-2 b. 1692 would have children born aft 1713. So Jemima would be a > > possible daughter since she md 1745. > > Who is the Charles of 1731 you mention. I am not familiar with this > > Charles/event. what is happening with him? > > > > Jane may be the d/o Wm-2. She md in 1746 to Samuel Evans and she is found > > in 1770 Bute. Wm-3/Pricsilla gives to his son Chrles-4 the land Jean Evans > > now lives on. Jean Evans is on W's-3 land. > > > > John-2 children had to be born bet 1714-28 (within a 14 yr period) > > > > Mathew-2 b. 1687/d. 1716 could have children in a 8 yr period between 1708 > > & 1716 > > Is Mathew who is mentioned with Richard (in 1745) and John Chapman (in > > 1752) the s/o John-2?). > > How abt the Mathew mentioned in John Woods 1740 probate/estate as next of > > kin? He would of been born by at least 1719/20. > > > > JW Garrett > > > > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

James, Up until 1726, the birth of all children belonging to the man who dies in 1744 are referred to as XXX daughter/son of William and Elizabeth Bridget Rgn... then, from 1726 onward, they become William and Bridget Rgn for Kiziah, Elizabeth and Bridget... I feel a change of clerk, not of women. Holy Moley, I get it... It's the wife that died. Bridget, the daughter lives and has a child out of wedlock, Winifred, in 1744 just before William died, he is not listed because he is not the father. and the Bridget that died is not listed as daughter of, just died as they do for adults but not children...yeeeshhh. .. but Bridget's 11! Yuck ! M'ellen

Sorry, there are too many John's and I'm rushing with so much on my plate ...The old John Wood that Joan xxx Regan married as his #2 wife...he left a son John Wood 2 who married Elizabeth xxx. They had one son John 3 Wood. Hold that thought. Elizabeth XXX Wood then married John Regan, son of James/Joan. They had kids unnamed in his will ( 1728/30). In 1740, Elizabeth XXX Wood Regan is now married to James Carroll and is identified at the bedside of her dying son John 3 Wood, her first child. She is named as his mother. His nuncoup. will also states the presence of 2 half sisters and two half brothers. These can only be Regans. So, besides John 2 Regan, Elizabeth had 2 girls and 2 more boys with John Regan, son of James. The Persi I need to check is claimed as saying these children are Anne ( yes, she married James Ross) Mary, Mathew, and Charles. Because Charles in Stafford has his earliest child in 1731, he is either much younger than William and Bridget, late getting into town, or really socially challenged. This gives us , if I can find this guy's ref, Mathew #2, and another Charles. I think this Mathew is in John Wood's 1740 probate and is the 175x sale of MD land. He is John Wood's half brother...both by Elizabeth XXX Wood Regan Carroll. That leaves us with a Mathew dead in 1716 in VA, which could be Mathew son of James/Joan. This Mathew would be the one mentioned in the Chapman bequest, who's daughter Elizabeth's mom was a Chapman. Then, we still have Charles son of James/Joan to find. I really feel this Stafford guy is not he. But, somebody had Jemima and naughty Margaret.... so where's Charlie? Charles, son of James was born in 1692 and by 1731 is pushing 40...for a first child?... rare for this era...nope, I think this is the son of John Regan. As we move geographically, we must deal with Surry Co VA...some of the Charles Co MD cluster went there instead of Stafford...or else got redistricted to Surry...headache. M'ellen -------------------------------------------------- From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:28 AM To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Ragans-2 (James-1/Joan) > > Charles-2 b. 1692 would have children born aft 1713. So Jemima would be a > possible daughter since she md 1745. > Who is the Charles of 1731 you mention. I am not familiar with this > Charles/event. what is happening with him? > > Jane may be the d/o Wm-2. She md in 1746 to Samuel Evans and she is found > in 1770 Bute. Wm-3/Pricsilla gives to his son Chrles-4 the land Jean Evans > now lives on. Jean Evans is on W's-3 land. > > John-2 children had to be born bet 1714-28 (within a 14 yr period) > > Mathew-2 b. 1687/d. 1716 could have children in a 8 yr period between 1708 > & 1716 > Is Mathew who is mentioned with Richard (in 1745) and John Chapman (in > 1752) the s/o John-2?). > How abt the Mathew mentioned in John Woods 1740 probate/estate as next of > kin? He would of been born by at least 1719/20. > > JW Garrett > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Charles-2 b. 1692 would have children born aft 1713. So Jemima would be a possible daughter since she md 1745. Who is the Charles of 1731 you mention. I am not familiar with this Charles/event. what is happening with him? Jane may be the d/o Wm-2. She md in 1746 to Samuel Evans and she is found in 1770 Bute. Wm-3/Pricsilla gives to his son Chrles-4 the land Jean Evans now lives on. Jean Evans is on W's-3 land. John-2 children had to be born bet 1714-28 (within a 14 yr period) Mathew-2 b. 1687/d. 1716 could have children in a 8 yr period between 1708 & 1716 Is Mathew who is mentioned with Richard (in 1745) and John Chapman (in 1752) the s/o John-2?). How abt the Mathew mentioned in John Woods 1740 probate/estate as next of kin? He would of been born by at least 1719/20. JW Garrett

I am having my own mail rejected...microsoft  at work.. so there may be duplicates for a bit... sorry...M;ellen   James, Up until 1726, the birth of all children belonging to the man who dies in 1744 are referred to as XXX daughter/son of William and Elizabeth  Bridget Rgn... then, from 1726 onward, they become William and Bridget Rgn for Kiziah, Elizabeth and Bridget... I feel a change of clerk, not of women.   Holy Moley, I get it... It's the wife that died. Bridget, the daughter lives and has a child out of wedlock, Winifred, in 1744 just before William died, he is not listed because he is not the father. and the Bridget that died is not listed as daughter of, just died as they do for adults but not children...yeeeshhh. .. but Bridget's 11! Yuck ! M'ellen

From: jwgarrett@webtv.net To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Wn Regan b. 1690 MD Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:35:46 -0500 M'ellen let me look at my notes for Charles-2. I do believe it is possible for Charles-2 to have Jemima (b. by abt 1727) as his daughter. She md George Oliver 1745 and she and her two possible brothere James & John were all in Rowan & Gulford NC. Jane whose birth has not been recorded or found may be the d/o Wm & Bridget. But she was not mentoined in Wm's 1747 estate settlement as was the surviving children Powell, Kezial, Elizabeth. But Jane did marry in 1746 a yr earlier if that makes a difference. Tell me more abt the Charles of 1731 possible s/o John-2. Always interested in a Charles as I am trying to connect a Charles (Sr) of early Bute NC. Also are you saying that John-2/d. 1728 had a son John-3 who died 1740? >From events/dates you gave John-2/Elizabeth X Wood had to have thier 4 or 5 children born bet 1714 & 1728. JW Garrett ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com > To: ragan-roots@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:54:34 -0400 > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Wn Regan b. 1690 MD > > Either there is a separate Wm or there is 2 wives...I think it is too tight > for another Wm, however, I tried...just talked myself out of it. William > married and had Jane, possibly by a dau of Grace. She died, and he > remarried. Or, the 2 kids were named for Grace's daughter Jane and the > family name. The Powell may be gifted just because of his name. This is per > Grace's will wherein Jane is treated as a child, not a wife. ( as is Powell) > You said Jane belonged to Charles...there is no record to back that. Charles > is the baby of Joan and James...he is too young methinks for Jane, Margaret > or Jemima. If William married a dau of Richard and Grace Powell's, she > wasn't named Jane as their dau Jane married Elias Wood who has just died. > Grace did not gift any wives of men in this will, which gives rise to an > assumption of widowed sons-in-law that she is leveraging against claims. I > believe Wm of James had a Jane and a Powell. But, I can't make time for this > Powell to be the guy who dies in 1744 and has all the kids. We are assuming > that this Wm is the son of James based on the fact that all the other folk > are from this MD cluster...why bring in a new Rgn family from another family > group...grrr However, I think I have Charles...see below. > > Jemima married in 1745, Margaret bore an ileg. child in 1746 and married in > 1748. Jane married in 1746. Either these ladies were all into their 30's for > these events, ,unusual, or they came into the county already born > elsewhere. We do not know when Wm and Chas arrive in Stafford...just that > they were here...for Wm by 1717, and for Chas by 1731. Which brings up an > issue. > According to a researcher whom I don't know well, the MD Gen Soc in some > issue, makes a case for ID of the children of John 2 Rgn who died in 1728 > Charles Co MD. I intend to PERSI this and find it. She claims that John 2's > children are Anne ( marries James Ross) John who died in 1740, Mary, Mathew, > and Charles. It has occurred to me that this is the Charles who appears in > Stafford and would explain why he gets such a late start on his family > compared to William. He's William's nephew and his father died in 1728 and > he did not come to VA until after the settlement of the estate which was > 1730...so thus we have Charles, son of John 2 in St Paul's for 1731. Of > course, this means we still have to find Charles of James... > > There is a hole between the records of Charles Co MD and St Paul's in > VA...1692-1716 for our Rgns. These three ladies fall in that period. I will > point out that Mathew was here, and quite likely had Margaret and Jemima ( > the latter which is a Powell name... sigh) I have ID'ed the Mathew that > sells in 175X in Charles Co MD as one of the sons of John2, who's wife > Elizabeth XXX Wood Regan Carroll admins the will. So, I believe the Mathew > who dies in 1716 is the son of James. Could he be the father of another > William? groan, M'ellen > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:42 AM > To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Wn Regan b. 1690 MD > > > > > M'ellen > > > > I have to admit, you have lost me re: Wm/Wm Powell "R's" > > > > Let me see if I understand you correctly? > > > > James/Joan has a son Wm#1 b. 1690? > > when and where does this Wm#1 die if he outlives son Wm#2 who dies 1744? > > Is Keziah & Elizabeth in the 1747 estate settlement his (Wm#2) siblings > > and Wm (#1) his father? > > When was Wm #2 born? 1722? if so he was only 22 yrs old with children???? > > Wm#1 is md to Elizabeth Bridget Powell? > > > > Wm #1 & Wm#2/d. 1744 are the ones in Grace Powells 1734 will? > > Wm#2 then dies in 1744? > > > > Are you saying that Wm# 1 went to Surry VA. > > > > Is Wm R of 1765 Bute not Wm-3 s/o Wm-2 & Bridget (if son Wm-3#2 died > > 1744?) > > > > Then who is the Wm R/d. 1770 in Bute md to Priscilla? > > > > I thought Jane who md Douglas Evans was d/o Charles-2. > > > > Please Clarify!!!!!! > > > > I think the 2 (two) 1770 Bute Wm R's are > > Wm R of Surry & Wm R b. by 1750 (s/o Wm, dec'd & Pricsilla) > > > > the 1771 Bute Wm Riggin may be Wm b. by 1750 (s/o Wm & Pricsilla) > > > > > > > > JW Garrett > > > > > > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Either there is a separate Wm or there is 2 wives...I think it is too tight for another Wm, however, I tried...just talked myself out of it. William married and had Jane, possibly by a dau of Grace. She died, and he remarried. Or, the 2 kids were named for Grace's daughter Jane and the family name. The Powell may be gifted just because of his name. This is per Grace's will wherein Jane is treated as a child, not a wife. ( as is Powell) You said Jane belonged to Charles...there is no record to back that. Charles is the baby of Joan and James...he is too young methinks for Jane, Margaret or Jemima. If William married a dau of Richard and Grace Powell's, she wasn't named Jane as their dau Jane married Elias Wood who has just died. Grace did not gift any wives of men in this will, which gives rise to an assumption of widowed sons-in-law that she is leveraging against claims. I believe Wm of James had a Jane and a Powell. But, I can't make time for this Powell to be the guy who dies in 1744 and has all the kids. We are assuming that this Wm is the son of James based on the fact that all the other folk are from this MD cluster...why bring in a new Rgn family from another family group...grrr However, I think I have Charles...see below. Jemima married in 1745, Margaret bore an ileg. child in 1746 and married in 1748. Jane married in 1746. Either these ladies were all into their 30's for these events, ,unusual, or they came into the county already born elsewhere. We do not know when Wm and Chas arrive in Stafford...just that they were here...for Wm by 1717, and for Chas by 1731. Which brings up an issue. According to a researcher whom I don't know well, the MD Gen Soc in some issue, makes a case for ID of the children of John 2 Rgn who died in 1728 Charles Co MD. I intend to PERSI this and find it. She claims that John 2's children are Anne ( marries James Ross) John who died in 1740, Mary, Mathew, and Charles. It has occurred to me that this is the Charles who appears in Stafford and would explain why he gets such a late start on his family compared to William. He's William's nephew and his father died in 1728 and he did not come to VA until after the settlement of the estate which was 1730...so thus we have Charles, son of John 2 in St Paul's for 1731. Of course, this means we still have to find Charles of James... There is a hole between the records of Charles Co MD and St Paul's in VA...1692-1716 for our Rgns. These three ladies fall in that period. I will point out that Mathew was here, and quite likely had Margaret and Jemima ( the latter which is a Powell name... sigh) I have ID'ed the Mathew that sells in 175X in Charles Co MD as one of the sons of John2, who's wife Elizabeth XXX Wood Regan Carroll admins the will. So, I believe the Mathew who dies in 1716 is the son of James. Could he be the father of another William? groan, M'ellen -------------------------------------------------- From: "james garrett" <jwgarrett@webtv.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:42 AM To: <ragan-roots@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [RAGAN-ROOTS] Wn Regan b. 1690 MD > > M'ellen > > I have to admit, you have lost me re: Wm/Wm Powell "R's" > > Let me see if I understand you correctly? > > James/Joan has a son Wm#1 b. 1690? > when and where does this Wm#1 die if he outlives son Wm#2 who dies 1744? > Is Keziah & Elizabeth in the 1747 estate settlement his (Wm#2) siblings > and Wm (#1) his father? > When was Wm #2 born? 1722? if so he was only 22 yrs old with children???? > Wm#1 is md to Elizabeth Bridget Powell? > > Wm #1 & Wm#2/d. 1744 are the ones in Grace Powells 1734 will? > Wm#2 then dies in 1744? > > Are you saying that Wm# 1 went to Surry VA. > > Is Wm R of 1765 Bute not Wm-3 s/o Wm-2 & Bridget (if son Wm-3#2 died > 1744?) > > Then who is the Wm R/d. 1770 in Bute md to Priscilla? > > I thought Jane who md Douglas Evans was d/o Charles-2. > > Please Clarify!!!!!! > > I think the 2 (two) 1770 Bute Wm R's are > Wm R of Surry & Wm R b. by 1750 (s/o Wm, dec'd & Pricsilla) > > the 1771 Bute Wm Riggin may be Wm b. by 1750 (s/o Wm & Pricsilla) > > > > JW Garrett > > > > for Ragan-Roots archives go to > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=ragan-roots > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > RAGAN-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

M'ellen I have to admit, you have lost me re: Wm/Wm Powell "R's" Let me see if I understand you correctly? James/Joan has a son Wm#1 b. 1690? when and where does this Wm#1 die if he outlives son Wm#2 who dies 1744? Is Keziah & Elizabeth in the 1747 estate settlement his (Wm#2) siblings and Wm (#1) his father? When was Wm #2 born? 1722? if so he was only 22 yrs old with children???? Wm#1 is md to Elizabeth Bridget Powell? Wm #1 & Wm#2/d. 1744 are the ones in Grace Powells 1734 will? Wm#2 then dies in 1744? Are you saying that Wm# 1 went to Surry VA. Is Wm R of 1765 Bute not Wm-3 s/o Wm-2 & Bridget (if son Wm-3#2 died 1744?) Then who is the Wm R/d. 1770 in Bute md to Priscilla? I thought Jane who md Douglas Evans was d/o Charles-2. Please Clarify!!!!!! I think the 2 (two) 1770 Bute Wm R's are Wm R of Surry & Wm R b. by 1750 (s/o Wm, dec'd & Pricsilla) the 1771 Bute Wm Riggin may be Wm b. by 1750 (s/o Wm & Pricsilla) JW Garrett